Syech Puji, Pujiono Cahyo & Underage Lust
Oct 24th, 2008, in News, by Patung
The controversy over a politician-cleric’s marriage to an underage girl in Semarang.
43 year old Pujiono Cahyo Widayanto/Widianto, aka Syech/Syekh Puji, the head of an Islamic boarding school (Ponpes Miftahul Jannah) in Bedono, Jambu, Semarang, Central Java, in August 2008 informally married (nikah siri) Lutfiana Ulfa, 11 years and 10 months old, who had just begun studies at a local junior high school, but has now taken up wifely duties at home.
Ulfa & Pujiono Cahyo Widianto
Sheikh Puji is a very wealthy man, being the owner of PT Sinar Lendoh Terang (Silenter), a handicrafts exporter, and appeared in the news in August for distributing 1.3 billion rupiah (about $130,000) in zakat or charity to the poor. His first wife is 26 years old. In 2005 he was a candidate for the Partai Amanat Nasional (PAN) in a regency election but withdrew from the race at the last moment, and has long been involved in local politics. suaramerdeka
It’s a deal
He also intends to marry two other girls, aged 9 and 7. Of these latter two, Syech Puji says that neither has begun menstruating, so he will refrain from interfering with them, while Ulfa has already entered puberty.
Syech Puji believes his actions have a legitimate basis in Islam, considering that the prophet Muhammad married the 7 year old Aisha.
I’m not just doing what I like, it’s based in religion. It’s in accordance with the prophet’s teaching. You can marry a 7 year old if you like but you can’t have relations with her until she starts menstruating.
Clerics’ Council/Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) leader Umar Shihab condemned the marriage to Ulfa:
Men should marry adults, there are a lot of other prospective brides around. Why has he married a 12 year old? The poor girl.
His actions have been mostly condemned in other quarters, with some saying that he has broken the Marriage Law, and is liable to criminal prosecution. lampungpost detik
One supporting voice is that of politician Hilman Rosyad Syihab from the Islamist Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS), who says that marrying young girls is allowed within Islam provided the marriages are not consummated until the girl has begun menstruating. dutamasyarakat
On November 24th 2010 Syech Puji was sentenced to 4 years jail, and a 60 million rupiah fine, for marrying an underage girl. Both his wives, Lutviana Ulfa and first wife Ummi Hani, wept at the news. antara
291 Comments on “Syech Puji, Pujiono Cahyo & Underage Lust”
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This has nothing to do with religion. We should stop relating every bad deeds to whatever religion the person in believing.
This is about a sick man,hiding under a religion to justify something that – I’m sure, even God would disapprove.
I don’t mind if a man manages to have 100 wives or whatever ( although,I feel sorry for those women’s stupidity ), but marrying a 12 years old girl and brag about it as if he’s a saint ??!!.
Now,that’s just fcuked up ( excuse my French ).
He’s a perfect example when a person – in this case ,a male, kills the brain and heart and starts thinking with his genitalia.
*sigh*
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Purba Negoro says:
Unee-
excellent point.A disgusting and dperaved act indeed- made even the more nauseating by cowardly hiding under the cloak of A religion or ideaology.
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Andy says:
Of course andi, if we want something we ask politely. Unlike your kind, you just point your big black gun to the face and say “die.”
It is clear who were the menace to this world.Yawn whatever igun, why not ask the timorese or papuans who are the menace to the world. The ones you haven’t killed. Can you enlighten me as to why foreign journalists are not allowed into Papua?
Purba-get with the times, we did sign the Kyoto agreement already. Also who don’t we have a quarrel with..Any islamic war criminal regardless of how far away they are are an enemy to us. So all should die including you and your ilk. That would solve a big part of the global warming problem. All that hot air will be buried somewhere.
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Andy,
considering Americans, Australians, Europeans and quite a ways down the list the Japanese all contributed to the gloabl warming- and expel vast more quanta of noxious gas than the entire thirld world combined- exlcuding the past decacde of industrial India and CHina (note Western industries offshore- conveniently taking advantage of slack environmental laws)and considering especially if we assume Stalin was originally an Orthodox- Christians have killed more people in the past century than Muslims-
Logic would argue that it would make more logical sense to rid the world of Whitey- especially a barren dry nation of 20 million that pollutes with a higher per capaita ration than the US?
Just a thought. Any opinions? Or are you busy digging your well?
Honestly- this is all getting tiresome.
Shall we be civil or not?
I will if you will.
Another thought- why has so much arable land in Australia been clear felled and why are there continuing bounties on it? -
p.a. meeuwesen says:
Sick. It seems some muslims stopped thinking after the death of their prophet.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Andy,
Fact is that Ostraya is the most obsese nation. The amount of food each and every retard land dugong consumed and the noxious gases emitting from their bodies are piercing a big hole in the ozone layer. They are worst green house offenders second to ruminants.
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lgun says:
yawn. Who point the gun at iraqi, afghani, turk, vietnamese, aborigin. Wipe your own ass andy, dont touch mine.
You are right PN its getting nowhere, so andy can have the last word. -
Oigal says:
I would have thought this topic thread was something to be taken seriously and deserved better than to be hijacked by the factually impaired racists and xenophobes. Well done idiots..time to grow up don’t you think and acknowledge some issues are beyond your inane and increasingly boring trolling.
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Patrick says:
@ PN – Sorry I am only getting back to you now but just a superb beach day today in Florida and easily the best surf of the year so I wasn’t missing out on that! Anyway, I will address (way off topic now) as follows:
1. Infintile? What’s that you keep saying “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones” Go back when you have a chance and read that utterly senseless and crass post that preceded my comments. You deserved it!
2. The reason the USA looked the other way is that it viewed East Timor as having the potential to be a future rogue state in conflict with US Naval aspirations to control a line that went from The Alaska Aleutian islands through Japan, passed Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia and all the way to Singapore. There were 3 reasons that the USA deemed this line important; 1. This strategy of holding this line effectively boxes in the navies of Russia and China in time of war and therefore severely limits their movements. 2. It allows an area that the US Navy can launch naval or air strikes across Asia and at any hostile nation in Asia. 3. The USA can also effectively blockade all commercial maritime activity along the line which could serve as strangulation points for countries depended on oil.
3. I believe it was Ramsey Clarke the former Secretary of State who admitted that it was the USA that tipped the balance of power in Indonesia by putting the fascist (his word) military into power by training equipping and financing a coup against President Sukarno and that of course led to your boy Suharto becoming President. And when Suharto had the military invade East Timor the USA did nothing to stop them.
In conclusion yes it must be admitted that my country does bear much of the blame for certain aforementioned historical events in Indonesia and certainly for the rise to power of the military. In short PN you owe your very career and all you have to the USA you ingrate! LOL!
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Well just as Purba wants us to be civil and call a truce AAB and igun blunder in with more outrageous attacks. If it’s not one it’s the other. But I always relish a good debate even if I have to engage in a battle of wits with unarmed Indonesians.
igun, guess what the Iraqi was dancing in the streets in 2003 pulling down Saddam’s statue while welcoming their liberators. The afghans were being tortured and killed by the Taliban before we came along. Are you suggesting they were a good government? And as for the Vietnamese, they hated us didn’t they. So much so that when the commies took over they jumped in boats and landed in Australia and USA. They now make up one of our largest migrant groups and are proudly Australian. As for the aborigine, well we spoke about that on other posts. My point and I stand by it is the average Indonesian would swap places with the Australian aborigine anyday. $2 a day in Indo, 250 a fortnight at the very least on a centrelink payment. Oh and where are your own aborigines? Made extinct by the javanese weren’t they?
AAB, yes we have a high rate of obesity. So what. It means we are a prosperous country. The average Indonesian according to Purba is lucky to enjoy 2 meals of Indomie a day. He / She simply can’t afford to eat like we can. Oh but you know what, it hasn’t stopped us being an incredibly talented nation of athletes though. 20 million people and how many Olympic medals? Indonesia 235 million with mmmm could count gold, silver and bronze on one hand right.
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That man is a paedophile, pure and simple.
I talked to some people with better knowledge in Islam than I think I do. I asked them about the marriage of the Prophet with the then 9-year old Aisyah (the one Pujiono Cahyo uses as a justification). What they told me was this: True, the Prophet married Aisyah at the age of 9; she already had her menstrual period. But the Prophet did not sleep with her until she’s 18. The lapsing 9 years inbetween was spent by Aisyah like other girls; even the Prophet supplied her with dolls and toys to play with.
It’s more like what we nowadays may call engagement (although, yeah, you may argue, engaging a 9-year old girl with a far older man is not ethical now…).But then that’s Arab thousands of years ago; they have different customs than they are now. Right now we know that it is NOT right to marry an underage child, as stated by the laws. We know that marrying a girl (or a boy for that matter) is not only about she’s already had her menstrual period already (or he his wet dreams). Even when they already have, there are other aspects to consider: their whole physical preparedness, their psychological development, etc.
And I saw the girl’s father on TV today: he said that for him it’s better his daughter married now than growing up and then committing adultery. Wha–?
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Mbak Tyas,
What they told me was this: True, the Prophet married Aisyah at the age of 9; she already had her menstrual period. But the Prophet did not sleep with her until she’s 18. The lapsing 9 years inbetween was spent by Aisyah like other girls; even the Prophet supplied her with dolls and toys to play with.
Prophet Moh is a pedophile according to today’s moral standard. Moslems happened to worship a dubious character who claimed Allah wanted him to shag little girl to prove that ‘men can have sex with pre-teen girl.’ It was and is norm of Arab’s culture. Javanese has a far advanced culture than the Arabs’. For your friend to say that “But the Prophet did not sleep with her until she’s 18”, he/she is being blasphemous and will be punished by Allah swt. So far no islamic scholars had denied. If you are moslem, you have to accept the fact that Aisha was deflowered at age 9 by prophet Mohammad at age 53. Please ask your friend to provide proof. Sheikh Puji is being a good moslem. I am afraid to say you are a bad moslem if you disagree with Sheikh Puji. Wasalam.
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Peter says:
What’s all this talk of going back to “the good old days” of Suharto-style governance? That experiment is over. We all saw how it turned out. Udah lupa?
Whining about how this somehow is the fault of the West or Saudi Arabia is not going to help your country. Why not protest the Central Javanese government for sitting on its hands? Demo!
Democracy is not an overnight success. It takes work and patience. Dictatorship can offer short-term benefits but it destroys the country over time.
What a thorny issue, though. No easy answer here, but Indonesia needs a strong civil government, not a stronger military. Maybe a charismatic leader could help “shake things up” and make some real, lasting reforms in the government, but autocratic rule is out of the question.
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Sick bastard! And he dares to hide behind religion, and he even brought in Prophet Mohammad to his defence, d’oh.. you’re not prophet or whatsoever, you’re just a sick pedophile bastard.
What even made me sick is the people who support him! BAH
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Just to highlight the West’s hypocrisy and subjective selective blinkers on reality- but not point fingers:
“Operation Cross Country II” involved efforts in 29 cities and resulted in the arrest of 73 pimps and 518 adult prostitutes, the FBI said.
Those arrested could face federal or state charges, depending on their alleged activities.
FBI Deputy Director John Pistole said some of the alleged sex traffickers were working in networks of six to 10 pimps.
“Sex trafficking of children remains one of our most violent and unconscionable crimes in this country,” he told reporters.
Authorities said some of the alleged prostitutes were found at casinos and truck stops. Others were advertised on the Internet.
from CNNPedophilia- a disgusting depraved sickening crime.
Child-sex tourism, child sex slavery etc- WE should all put aside whatever petty differences we have and Unite to eradicate this vile scourge and perpetrators- wherever they live and whatever race, creed, culture or religion they are
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foolosophy says:
i’ll just cut my comment short; this guy is a sick pedophile. The name “pujiono” obviously does not carry terpuji deeds.
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janma says:
Purba, spurious spurious spurious! I know this is Off Topic…. but… oh just for fun, let me just choose any of the comments from Purba’s post above and see what a genius for research he is….
*has no saline treatment plants despite being surrounded by very clean sea water?
You don’t need to read the following, because it’s boring, but just to enlighten poorbum…
Kwinana Water Reclamation Plant….
Highly commended in the 2005 Global Water Awards, the new Kwinana Water Reclamation Plant – the largest of its kind in Australia – will supply high quality water to local industry and significantly reduce effluent discharge into the sensitive Cockburn Sound. Described by the judges as “the most important wastewater recycling project in the southern hemisphere,” the plant forms part of the State Government’s strategic drive to achieve 20% reuse of treated wastewater by 2012.
Owned and operated by the Water Corporation of Western Australia, Kwinana was built by a Veolia Water Systems Australia / John Holland joint venture and is designed to treat a final total of 5GL of water annually, using combined microfiltration and reverse osmosis.
With the official opening of the Perth Seawater Reverse Osmosis Plant in November 2006, Western Australia became the first state in the country to use desalination as a major public water source – and this may be simply the beginning. Facing a drying climate, the Water Corporation of Western Australia is actively exploring a variety of options to meet growing demands, which makes building a second SWRO facility a serious prospect to consider.IN South Australia
There are four major water projects in South Australia worth $26.36 million have secured funding of $10.49 million from the Australian Government’s $2 billion Water Fund.Following this announcement in 2006, the Australian Government has now supported seven major water conservation projects in South Australia worth $88.23 million, with the Australian Government contributing $28.77 million.
The projects announced today include a web-based environmental water trading system to return water to approved environmental projects, which will help facilitate water donations to the Murray River.The projects also include innovative irrigation metering technology, and a focus on measures to improve the management of vital groundwater systems.
More than $2 million from the Australian Government will be used to put in place innovative irrigation metering technology and data systems at the Central Irrigation Trust at Barmera to improve crop productivity and provide water savings of 1100 megalitres a year.
This project will result in a $9.90 million investment in measuring and metering technology that will allow the Trust to transfer consumption and flow data from 2300 electronic water meters on irrigation farms to a central computer system every 15 minutes. Farmers and system managers will then have live access to information on flow and consumption 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
The next stage of the Government’s Our Water Our Future plan provides long-term solutions to secure our water supplies by building a desalination plant, saving water through upgrading irrigation channels, expanding the Water Grid to pipe water around the State and extending conservation programs and recycling.
Over the next five years, around $4.9 billion will be spent on major infrastructure projects to manage the risk that Victoria’s worst drought will continue.According to Adele Ferguson, the Victorian Government will use a public private partnership model to build the $3.1 billion desalination plant, reported in The Australian (20/9/2007, p. 20). ABN AMRO executive director of structured finance Geoff Daley said the investment bank was talking to various participants to try to get a role. ABN AMRO was involved in the financing of $6 billion of the $8 billion PPPs last year.
Shall I go on??????
PS…. on topic…. they should NOT be allowed to pass the stupid porn bill if they allow this pedophile to marry these children and it is already against the law!
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Lairedion says:
Well, Mr. Puji took his perverted thoughts to the next level. From yesterday’s Suara Merdeka:
Syekh Puji: ”Umur satu hari pun akan saya nikahi”
Can this man being lined up with the Bali Bombers? An extra bullet won’t cost too much.
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timdog says:
Jeeeeez….
Dirty old b*stard says:jika ada anak umur satu hari dan saya suka dengannya, saya akan memanggil kiai untuk menikahkan saya dengannya
So, sir, what is it that first attracted you to your wife? Oh it was her great personality, her way with words…
This man is evidently insane, simple as that, in a most disgusting wayTapi, saya tidak akan “mencampuri” istri sebelum akil baliq
Oh! Well that makes it all ok then! Silly us for getting so steamed up! Incidentally, at what age precisely would she be ready? 12? Rayner?
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Sheath says:
$10,000 for the head of this pig on a stick.
This pervert needs to die now! -
There are quite a few international stories about this now, like this bbc one, which is a pretty weak effort
A Muslim cleric has caused public outrage in Indonesia after marrying a 12-year-old girl.
She was 11 when he married her.
He is reported to have justified his actions by saying he was emulating Islam’s Prophet Muhammad, and that he would wait until his wife reached puberty before having sex with her. But there has been fierce reaction to the marriage within Indonesia.
She already started puberty, he said so, but it isn’t clear whether he’s bedded her or not yet, he seems to have run off to Singapore, with her in tow.
A senior member of the prominent Islamic party, PKS, said he thought Mr Widianto was wrong in what he was doing, and wrong in his thinking about Islam.
Um yeah, and, got a name? They might mean Tifatul Sembiring, the president of PKS, who said some very weak, circumspect things – he more or less didn’t agree with what the Puji guy had done but he said people should be careful about criticising him because the matter was something that there was legitimate debate about among ulema so if you criticised Puji it meant you were criticising some ulema, and then where would Islam be if people went around attacking clerics?
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peace says:
The reason why this issue became controversy is that this act is allowed in Islam Law but not in Indonesian Law. Am I right?
Or is it forbidden in Islam too? Can anyone help me to understand please?
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Mets says:
One word ‘paedophile’….when are these clerics going to stop hiding behind religion to justify their abhorrent actions when they have broken the law….He has totally abused his power as a community leader
How can the article even identify that this is a ‘contraversial marrage’ just because he is a cleric…and has money……….
Those poor girls, they should enjoy their childhood and being young……….it is very very sad if no one in the right places in government cannot protect their rights as a children……
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On topic:
Yes disgusting. Hand him by his scotrum and light a fire under his head.Off Topic:
Peter:
You conveniently forget 32 years of total success as opposed to 10 years of disaster, terrorism, and poverty.Perhaps MY nations’ starving and jobless will wait patiently for your greying Merlot Marxist Miracle and armchair leftist middle-page spread of democracy?
Perhaps you and the West wil fully fund, no strings attached the eductaion, and subsidisation of my nations’ people so they may all- 220 million of them- become enlightend Jeffersonian citizens?OR perhaps you assume- as most bleating whites do- the colour of your skin and your depraved society is somehow make your the Grand Moral Arbiters- in the face of global highest teen pregnancy rates, suicide rates, violent crimes against elderly, violent gun crimes, homicides?
Proof again the Anglosphere is utterly ignorant, specious and verbosely inane.
Go back to your private time with Amnesty International and your famous white habit of moral onanism.We Indonesians will never listen to the nonsensical mincing hysterics of the West- particularly our self-made number one enemy- Australia.
Janma- yes I did indeed visit the new site for Victoria’s saline treatment plant. Also the new site for your chemical depot- to be moved from Altona.
Very interesting works.
John Holland is very experienced major works engineer- most likely they will tender the huge projects Indonesia will likely announce within the next 5 years.I was told by your government officials that all major waterworks were only undertaken as knee jerk reaction to droughts.
You will note in your own post- therte is nothing predating the onset of the drought (2000) predicted by the US and passed this information to your government.
We get similar US meterological predictions too.What kind of nation does not plan ahead?
What kind of nation mocks the practical wisdom of five year plans?
What kind of nation sycophnatically praises Chinse 10 and 20 year plans and waxes lyrically over the zen wisdom of Japanese total forward planning ?That would be the pathetic nation of Australia. Indonesia’s constant thorn in the tiger’s paw.
Or as Bang Ali Alitas called Australia: “the pebble in the shoe”.I suggest Australia procure less boors and more bores.
Sorry- Janma- I enjoy your adoption of my tactics- but sadly your Pasopati missed this krebo. Not by much- maybe one Javanese traditional ‘inch’.
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@ PN – at least the West admit it is a problem and is doing something about it…one of the reason we are in a position to find published figures not subjective or prevelance data around this area is because many of the western countries (or bule countries as you love to say)have made them as national priorities with specific targets to tackle the problem head on…….
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Mets:
when will your nation focus on its’ own internal problems instead of instigating, fomenting and funding secession and military aggression against nations such as my own?Or go to war disrupting global economy for an elite cadres’ oil-lust?
The West has no moral high-ground.
The West’s poverty eradication methods and IMF economic systems have been proven to be useless.You have killed far more people than Mao and Stalin together- the one redeemer of those two monsters is they had the moral fortitude to kill their own kind- not the coloured other- striking like cowards from above.
When your nations sew new limbs on Iraqi babies- and raise from the dead millions of Vietnamese, Khmer, Thai, Laotian, Indonesian, killed for your insatiable Imperial parasitism maybe then you will have earned the right to be heard.
Otherwise, as Sukarno said, “[the west can] Go to HELL with your ‘aid'”.
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PN – I am from Jakarta…I will be moving back to Jakarta to work & live next year………..I did not agree with the choices the British made over the Iraq War….and I left my job with DEFRA as part of that protest…for the record……
But the argument on this thread is about child abuse and religion is being used as a tool for justification….
The UK has made a commitment to address these horrific issues through its National Priorities, not just drafting a bill/ Act without implementing its statutory enforcement powers
It is not enough that Central Java Women’s Empowerment and Children Rights and Family Planning Agency is only at this stage observing the case from various aspects before a course of action is taken…..
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Yes- agreed- this is disgusting and more should be done.
And welcome to Jakarta- I hope you have Prozac and a stress-ball and maybe some Wellingtons.
Apologies if you are indeed Indonesian. I hope you have not brought with you the snide delusional superior attitude of the decadent British and their self-appointed claim to Grand Moral Arbiter and Bearer of White Man’s Burden.
I advise you if you seek change- baby steps. The Indonesian krebo is very stubborn when pushed- but quite easily led- especially with some sugar cane.
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jawa asli says:
@patung
I found pics of Ulfa (the 11 yo bride) and the bastard.
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Of course andi, if we want something we ask politely. Unlike your kind, you just point your big black gun to the face and say “die.”
It is clear who were the menace to this world.