Bird Flu
January 16th, 2007, in Internet, News, by PatungAbout half the regions of Indonesia have endemic bird flu.
It is claimed by Memed Z.H., the Head of Public Communications for the Bird Flu Campaign Management of the Department of Agriculture, that up to 223 out of 444 regencies and cities in Indonesia are Avian influenza endemic areas, that is, areas that have had cases of the virus and in which there is a possiblility that new outbreaks will occur without transmission from outside.
Only three provinces are free from the disease, they being Maluku, North Maluku and Gorontalo. Of those provinces that are affected Memed said that they are divided into two categories, high-risk areas and areas with low intensity cases.
Bird Flu: A Rising Pandemic in Asia And Beyond?
Meanwhile Musni Suatmodjo, the Director of Animal Health at the Agriculture Department, said that as of November 2006 the government had distributed 48 million doses of vaccine to 14 high-risk provinces, as well as 191,000 rapid test kits (bird flu detectors) to 33 provinces.
Musni said that the Agriculture Department does not yet have a bird flu hot spot map of all provinces due to lack of time and resources, as well as deficiencies in reports of the virus spread from regional authorities.
A commentator, C.A. Nidom, who is a molecular biologist at Airlangga University, believes that Jakarta and Tangerang are the worst affected areas, based on the results of model simulations he had conducted using bio-informatics calculations.
He claimed that 70% of the inhabitants of Jakarta could be carrying the virus, even though they show no symptoms. [1] Normally the symptoms of bird flu, - heavy, difficult breathing, - do not appear until the infection has reached an advanced stage.
Since the New Year four people have died from bird flu, all in and around Jakarta, the most recent a 27-year-old woman from South Jakarta, who died on the 12th, a day after entering Persahabatan Hospital in East Jakarta for treatment, says the Jakarta Post. The same hospital’s isolation wards are said to be currently overwhelmed with bird flu cases, with nine people being treated for the disease, one of them a five-year-old girl.
Muchtar Ichsan, the head of the bird flu ward at Persahabatan said that any new cases would have to be referred to Sulianti Saroso in North Jakarta, the country’s main bird flu treatment centre. [2]
The Health Ministry’s director general for communicable diseases, I Nyoman Kandun, urged people to have themselves checked up, especially people who live near poultry farms.
Today Aburizal Bakrie, the coordinating minister for people’s welfare, announced that backyard or home poultry farming in Jakarta and its satellite cities might be banned.
This is already a situation of health emergency, and we hope that the protection of humans will be much better if birds and humans are separated
Bakrie said the economic impact of the move had to be calculated by the affected regions.
Health minister Siti Fadillah Supari agreed, at least “in principle”:
In principle, there should be no birds in residential areas.
World Health Organization representative Georg Petersen was happy to hear of these good intentions: [3]
It is important to reduce contact between birds and people and restrict the raising of chicken in highly-populated areas.
The total number of deaths from the H5N1 bird flu virus, which re-emerged from dormancy in Asia in late 2003, has reached 161, 61 of these being Indonesians.
59 Comments on “Bird Flu”
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Ihaknt Says:
January 16th, 2007 at 4:19 pmThe American must be behind this again!!! Those damn yankees!!!
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Andrew Says:
January 16th, 2007 at 9:58 pmNah, it must have been the Israelis…
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Achmad Sudarsono Says:
January 17th, 2007 at 12:11 pmHey, let’s not rule out Americans using a biological weapon to undermine our country. Various Western powers want to see Indonesia disintegrate. It would be an excuse to create a power vacuum and then expand their sphere of influence. Bird flu would be an obvious way to do this.
The game plan would be to:
- Weaken the regions and overburden the emergency response system, including the TNI.
- Gradually expand military presence in the Malacca Straits, and around the peripheries of the country.Why is this so far-fetched ?
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Naga Says:
January 17th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWhy is this so far-fetched?
Because no neigbouring country could cope with the massive refugee flood that would occur following the supposed disintergration, that’s why..it is their greatest nightmare.
Australia can barely deal with East Timor and the Solomon Islands, how on earth could it deal with millions of Indonesian refugees? it can’t..simple.
No western country wants to see Indo disintergrate, it’s not in their interests, the burden outweighs the benefits.
But so long as nationalisit politicians, BIN and the TNI leadership makes you’re paranoid and insulated mind think they do, then you won’t be focused on how much $ the nationalist politicans are stealing, how much illegal $ the TNI is making and how much untaxed $ Indonesian companies are making in Indonesia’s protected and uncomptetitive economy.
The emergency response cannot be overburdened..BECAUSE THERE ISN’T ONE TO OVERBURDEN..it doesn’t exist.
So long as supply lines are not threatened, then there is no need for extra military presence in the MS.
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Daryono Says:
January 17th, 2007 at 1:37 pmNotice how only three provinces are free from the disease, they being Maluku, North Maluku and Gorontalo and they being mostly Christian.
America’s blood soaked history of foreign policy is that of trying to destroy Asian people, create genocide, train torturers, protect corrupt tyrants and kill Muslims.
But now; as thousands of their soldiers have been killed in Iraq and their country is more and more despised around the world, why would they not resort to this kind of cowardly terrorism by infecting our mainly Muslim population with this strange new avian influenza. A conspiracy theory? The CIA helped Saddam Hussein develop poison to use on Iranian soldiers and they tried to poison food and crops in Cuba numerous times.
Now; they don’t have the money, support or troops to invade another country ever again, so while they and their Jewish lackeys murder Muslims in the Middle East; why not try to covertly use this American made disease against Muslims in other countries”¦
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Colson Says:
January 17th, 2007 at 2:57 pmAchmad Sudarsono and Dartono: Have you ever considered the possibility of a career as stand-up comedian?
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January 17th, 2007 at 4:15 pmNotice how only three provinces are free from the disease, they being Maluku, North Maluku and Gorontalo and they being mostly Christian.
Notice how Suharto’s transmigration program and the TNI’s jihad program reconfigured the balance in supposedly Christian majority areas in Maluku, Sulawesi… which are now approximately 50/50 Christian/Muslim?
America’s blood soaked history of foreign policy.
America’s blood soaked foreign policy has always been about promoting US economic interests, yes, they have been extremely clumsy doing it, but you can’t trade with people that don’t exist, in other words, it is indifference to suffering, not genocide.
Just like there was no Achenese genocide at the hands of the TNI, no East Timorese genocide at the hands of the TNI, and just like there is no current Papuan genocide by HIV and the hands of the TNI.
A conspiracy theory?
Yes, mainly because simple things like hygiene are ignored in Indonesia.
If people stopped spitting in public, blowing their nose in public, urinating on the street, stopped wiping their ass with their hands (and not washing them with soap) and stopped having infected animals living with them, then they wouldn’t have this problem!
The CIA doesn’t need to teach you that.
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January 17th, 2007 at 4:16 pmDear Friends,
Daryono expressed this more eloquently than I did, but basically, the U.S. has its strategic sights on the Malacca Strait as a chokehold on China’s energy supplies. As Mr. Daryono pointed out - the U.S. has intervened before, why wouldn’t they do so again ?
Naga, you wrote this: “But so long as nationalisit politicians, BIN and the TNI leadership makes you’re paranoid and insulated mind think they do, then you won’t be focused on how much $ the nationalist politicans are stealing, how much illegal $ the TNI is making and how much untaxed $ Indonesian companies are making in Indonesia’s protected and uncomptetitive economy.”
I can’t believe you would smear our hard-working soldiers and intelligence agents !
I suggest you to study the Pancasila to purify your mind.
But just to set you straight - As pegawai negeri, BIN and TNI officers have studied Pancasila and have been exposed to its healing powers. They would never betray the nation, friend.
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January 17th, 2007 at 5:01 pmI can’t believe you would smear our hard-working soldiers and intelligence agents!
Who would dare do that, I mean Munir obviously committed suicide, right?
I suggest you to study the Pancasila to purify your mind.
That is designed to control YOUR mind, not anybody elses.
But just to set you straight - As pegawai negeri, BIN and TNI officers have studied Pancasila and have been exposed to its healing powers. They would never betray the nation, friend.
As pegawai negeri, they are indoctrinated.
Benadryl has healing powers.
They would never betray their commanders.
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January 17th, 2007 at 5:45 pmFriend,
Are you suggesting that Pancasila is some sort of conspiracy ? That the Pegawai Negeri including BIN and TNI, who work hard for our country are some how involved in a conspiracy to control us.
Friend, I like you, but I suggest with friendship that maybe you are getting a little paranoid. (I hope that’s not rude).
It’s just not Pancasilais or Indonesian to be so cynical. As people of the East we are not like Westerners - divisive and always keen to argue. Our democracies, as Pak Lee Kuan Yew has pointed out are based on harmony.
I thank you, Friend.
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January 17th, 2007 at 7:59 pmDear Colson,
My name is Daryono not Dartono; please do use your reading glasses when you peruse my highly informative posts; as using the correct name and title is important in our country and culture.
Secondly; I don’t understand your “comic” reference. There is nothing remotely funny about the distinct possibility of one country infecting another’s livestock with a manufactured disease in order to cleanse its population because of its majority religion.
Naga,
Pak Harto’s brilliant transmigration policy did indeed try to equal the balance of the Christian/Muslim populations in those areas; that was the objective and it worked well. However, once again, those meddling devils; the CIA provocateurs successfully managed to provoke the local people into killing each other after Pak Harto’s honorable resignation and after decades of living together with mutual love, respect and understanding; as is the Indonesian way. The occupation of East Timor was, as is well documented, ordered by the then American secretary of state; Henry Kissinger in 1975. Pak Harto was threatened by Kissinger that unless he went into East Timor; he would be overthrown, by you know who, and all aid to Indonesia would be cut off.
And are you seriously suggesting that HIV infections in Indonesia are due to the TNI? That is an outrageous accusation and I don’t believe that you are a real Indonesian! Again, as everyone, except you, knows; HIV was created by American homosexuals; as a result of their deviant sexual behavior; who then spread the disease to heterosexual communities; through drug use and bi sexual behavior; that is common in Western societies but completely alien to our culture and values. If there is now HIV in Indonesia; then it is the result of Western foreigners and their fornicating ways; in places like Jalan Jaksa and Blok M; who proposition our poor innocent Indonesian girls with marriage and a happy life in return for their cherished virginity.
Finally, you may enjoy mocking our “unhygienic” ways, as you see them; but we are a poor nation and we don’t have the luxuries that Western countries have. And why is that? Because, as Pak Achmad has explained in the past, we have been saddled with crippling debt and our hard working administrators have been encouraged to be corrupt; so that Western countries and their unscrupulous corporations can steal our bountiful natural resources.
You ask any proud, honest Indonesian and they will acknowledge all of this. You are obviously not one.
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January 17th, 2007 at 8:10 pmOnce again, The Admirable Pak Daryono provides brilliant synthesis and analysis. It’s finally good to see ‘Pak Harto’s reputation gradually restored. I’d say more, but there’s little more to say. Let those of us who speak The Truth not crowd the airwaves. The Truth can stand alone. Only silence will follow.
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January 17th, 2007 at 10:06 pmDaryono said:
And are you seriously suggesting that HIV infections in Indonesia are due to the TNI? That is an outrageous accusation and I don’t believe that you are a real Indonesian!
If you call that “outrageous”, then the same can be told for your accusation of CIA. Remember that being Indonesian does NOT mean that people have to right everything the government concocted. People think what they think, not what or how the government want them to think.
You seem to be just another person who likes to blame others for Indonesia’s downfall. Maybe it will be best if you focus your energy to improve Indonesia internally.
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January 17th, 2007 at 11:22 pmAndrew;
I would not normally respond to such a vacuous posting as yours, but as I kindly gentleman; I do pity your sad lack of education; when it comes to world history.
The CIA is world’s most evil organization. They have trafficked drugs, murdered democratically elected leaders and trained murderous death squads all over the world; causing misery to millions of innocents.
What on earth are you rambling on about? My mission in life is to encourage our people to think for themselves and not be infected by evil Western influences.
There are two ways to improve Indonesia internally; to free ourselves form foreign debt that deliberately tries to enslave our people; recolonizing us actually; and to take back our resources from foreign corporations who are stealing what is ours.
Do not bother to reply to this post until you have studied something about the old cold war; in particular regard to imperialism and economics. Only then will you have understood why our country is the way it is, who is to blame and what Indonesians need to do about it.
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January 17th, 2007 at 11:37 pmDear Daryono,
It would be very unwise, or even stupid, to start a disease that may well turn pandemic. Because you can’t control it and in the end it may kill yourself as well.
By the way, destabilizing is not in the interest of a superpower. It is much better to control the local leaders ( Nicollò Machiavelli, V). A virus, to ruin RI economy for example, would be extremely counterproductive.
I don’t think sensible people can be serious as they say Bird Flu is a devious scheme of western powers. It is a way of thinking that reminds me of the president of South Africa who denies the occurence of HIV in his country.
So, you being a sensible person, in my opinion you must have been joking.
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January 18th, 2007 at 12:29 amMeneer Daryono,
If you didn’t get my drift in the previous post, let me say it again: you accuse the CIA of doing bad things and blame it for Indonesia’s situation, but turn a blind eye on other causes.
Sure the CIA has done “something”, I never say it has not. That’s what they do, and so do other organizations of that nature. Whether or not it is morally right is another discussion, but every government will do whatever it takes for its survival of its people - and yes, it does include eliminating enemies by all means possible. Hasn’t the Indonesian government done something evil as well?
Your mission in life may be noble, but you are not showing people the big picture of the whole situation. You are presenting bits and pieces of information that are in favor of your personal agenda, and hiding others that don’t fit your story line. Your point of view is very biased - your theory very much sounds like an indoctrination. If you’re in politics, that approach is just fine, but if you truly want to educate people, that’s wrong. Education is about presenting truthful information, and not about shaping people’s opinion to suit your agenda.
Like I (and a lot others) have said: it is easy to blame others, and it is difficult to look in the mirror and find one’s own blemishes and imperfections. But if you read and learn enough, admitting mistakes is a trait that you see more and more in developed countries around the world. Admitting a mistake is halfway correcting it.
That’s not happening in Indonesia yet, thanks partly to people like you.
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January 18th, 2007 at 1:47 amThere are two ways to improve Indonesia internally; to free ourselves form foreign debt that deliberately tries to enslave our people; recolonizing us actually; and to take back our resources from foreign corporations who are stealing what is ours.
Are they forcing us to borrow their money? NO.
Did the foreign corporations go in just like that? NO, it was the Indonesian government who allowed them in - for whatever reason it was/is.The answer to both is NO - then why are you blaming them? shouldn’t you be blaming the government who made the decision?
Enslave our people? recolonizing us? NOT EXACTLY. We should blame OURSELVES for being an idiot if we let them do that. Blaming them is a lame excuse, an indication our insecurity from being perceived as inferior to other nations.
Did we get our independence by blaming the Dutch? I don’t think so.
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Tomaculum Says:
January 18th, 2007 at 2:29 amI don’t like CIA, I don’t like Mossad and their partners. They have done and still do evil things.
But accusing CIA for the bird flu?
The birds, the ducks and the chicken are CIA agents? Kamikaze agents?
If the CIA wants to attack Indonesian stability (where is it?) with biological weapons, then there are more virulent viruses carried forward from human to human they can use. -
Ali Says:
January 18th, 2007 at 7:12 amAchmad Sudarsono & Daryono: have you been smoking crack? America doesn’t really want Indonesia to be weak.
But wait a minute, maybe you’re right - perhaps Merapi is controlled by the US, too; they might have drilled a hole from New Mexico across the core of the earth, all the way to the bottom of Merapi and insert a remote-controlled device in there.
Aceh’s tsunami might be caused by them, too.
Oh, and that Lapindo Brantas mud, they actually pump it up from the other side of the earth, their main goal is to flood the whole island of Java eventually.
WAKE UP, DUDES.
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Mohammed Khafi Says:
January 18th, 2007 at 8:48 amSince late 2003 we have suffered 61 deaths related to Bird Flu, that is not to say that there were no deaths before that time, as we were not looking for them. In the same period we have had tens of thousands of deaths from:
Food or waterborne diseases: bacterial and protozoal diarrhea, hepatitis A and E, and typhoid fever.
Vectorborne diseases: dengue fever, malaria, and chikungunya.At present, H5N1 avian influenza poses a minimal risk, but is consuming considerable resources, in both monetary and human terms, this amount of effort and money spent for instance on Mosquito eradication programmes, would have considerable effects on death rates from vectorborne diseases, and would have significant cost saving benefits to the healthcare services in this country. The provision of clean water supplies would have the same effect on the food and waterborn diseases.
Why are we spending so much on a theoretical threat but ignoring the problems which we already know exist? These other problems could be, if not eradicated completely, significantly reduced to the great benefit of our country.
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January 18th, 2007 at 9:45 amDaryono, Dartono, Sudarsono, or whatever ono, Naga was right. Simple personal hygiene is clearly and largely ignored in many parts of Indonesia. Even to the metropolitan areas, where suposedly many are living the high lives or middle-upper class. So it’s no surprise to see this breakout happening again. And yes CIA doesnt need to teach you that. So do you blame USA again if there’s a flood in JKT after a 3 hour rain? Or would you actually think that maybe if people didnt litter everywhere then the waterways wouldn’t be clogged up? Again this is an example for blame other people.
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Dimp Says:
January 18th, 2007 at 10:07 amAnd judging that the Avian Flu is actually a problem in Thailand, parts of Europe, and Africa, this means that the CIA is trying to wipe the entire population of earth… It think they are working together with the penguins, which explains why they are using Avian Flu as a weapon….
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January 18th, 2007 at 10:16 amFriends,
Ok. I’ll grant you. The CIA is not responsible for everything. They might have manipulated our leaders into being corrupt, infiltrated our NGOs and media. For now, only the TNI and BIN stand firm against the foreign incursions. They were also assisted by American homosexuals in creating the disease of AIDS. Authoritative television shows such as ‘Alias’ and ‘24′ - available on DVD - prove that the CIA is active in such activities.
But there’s one group that we haven’t mentioned: Jews. The CIA alone is not capable of manipulating the financial system to destroy 32 years of economic progress as happened in 1997-98. They had to have help from the Zionist community, which controls global financial markets. Let’s not get carried away with conspiracy theories: the CIA is a government agency, made up of bureaucrats, who probably don’t have the expertise to create capital flight of billions of dollars.
For that they enlisted the Jews in the currency and commodity markets and investment banks. Why ? Because they don’t want to see the world’s largest Muslim country grow strong. Also, a weak Indonesia makes it easier to control our natural resources. Finally, I don’t believe the Zionists totally control the U.S., but they have alot of inluence.
Thanks, Friends,
Increase Da Peace.
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January 18th, 2007 at 10:26 amAuthoritative television shows such as ‘Alias’ and ‘24″² - available on DVD - prove that the CIA is active in such activities.
HAHAHAHAHA…you made me laugh so hard…are these your reference for real world? Very funny. you made my day!!! Are they a proof are they? AHHAHAHAAHH.
They were also assisted by American homosexuals in creating the disease of AIDS.
Were they American were they? Did you know the disease started in Congo from a Capuchin monkey? The gays could just happen to be in America, but were they American?!?!? Seriously.
But there’s one group that we haven’t mentioned: Jews.
Here we go, the poor Jews…and yet their teaching is similar to Islam. No pork, grow beard, poligamy, etc.
Mel Gibson quoted his famous drunken line that the Jews are the core of all problem. Are you Mel Gibson?Hey what about Desperate Housewives? Did you use that for your reference too?
You’re a joke. a funny one tho.
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January 18th, 2007 at 10:31 amAuthoritative television shows such as ‘Alias’ and ‘24″² - available on DVD - prove that the CIA is active in such activities.
Are you for real? If this is true then I wouldn’t worry so much, I am more worried with Godzillas attacking us, or when the Aliens start invading the world. How about mutants? I think they are getting pissed-off because they don’t get the attention that they are supposed to get.
I just hope that the Thunderbirds are going to save us.
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January 18th, 2007 at 10:35 amHey Dimp, what about Team America?
Sorry people I am still recovering from laughing so hard on the floor.
What I don’t understand is how Sudarsono was saying America this and that, and yet his reference came from American TV shows! You need to watch world news dude.
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January 18th, 2007 at 10:54 amTeam America, they have no “Intelligence”.
I am more worried with people who actually have no boundaries between fiction and non-fiction, I guess people like Darsono also believes that the Wrestling match on the tele was for real as well.
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Miss Indo 07 Says:
January 18th, 2007 at 11:22 amShush Dimp! It’s Daryono! Please use your reading glasses!
Hey by the way, I went to pan’s labyrinth yesterday, I saw a fairy and I met Jennifer Garner there, she was hiding because she’s tired of the CIA.
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January 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pm“They were also assisted by American homosexuals in creating the disease of AIDS.”
“But there’s one group that we haven’t mentioned: Jews. The CIA alone is not capable of manipulating the financial system to destroy 32 years of economic progress as happened in 1997-98.”
Hi, guys, A. Sudarsono is right: don’t you all know, that CIA is Jewish and the homosexuals are Jewish and CIA and all of the birds flying in the sky are Jewish and homosexual?
And I have read here somewhere in this blog, that Baa’syir is an CIA agent. So he is a bird? Hmm, sorry, ..a Jew? Or what?“Because they don’t want to see the world’s largest Muslim country grow strong. “?
Again someone who would like it to be so? Or have I missed something new? CIA? MOSSAD?
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January 18th, 2007 at 4:18 pmAli,
Did you know that crack was invented by the CIA in laboratories in order to keep the African American communities in urban America down?
It saddens me to see so many people attacking my country and glorifying the evil American empire at the same time. It just goes to show how those Jews who run Hollywood are turning the world against itself in favor of American values and way of life through the cultural tsunami that is the globalization of the media. Shame on you!
I just can’t believe that there are people here laughing about Jewish atrocities; as they murder Palestinian and Lebanese women and children; spitting on their Korans and desecrating their Mosques. Shame on all of you again!
The CIA gives Jews the green light to commit atrocities on Muslims because the American Jews, who run Hollywood, as well as the banking industry, will make more programs like Alias and 24; that expose the evil dark side of these agency spooks.
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January 18th, 2007 at 4:21 pmMy Indonesian Friends,
I URGE you for the good of the country, to take my warnings seriously. (The other possibility is that maybe you are help with the CIA). Friends, I ever love my country and will do anything to defend.
I ever saw an episode in ‘Alias’ where the CIA went to Bali! If you don’t believe me - it is in season 1. Maybe this one is scripted, but it is surely based on a true story. Think about it, friends.
Maybe AIDS was from Africa - but the CIA have many scientific labs!
BTW - I wouldn’t joke about U.F.Os either. Have you ever noticed the shape of the Borobudur? How is it possible they could build such a structure with their technology. That may be part of why the CIA and FBI want to control Indonesia: to prevent the knowledge of what Borobudur is getting out and to prevent too much investigation.
Please, my Indonesian friends, Be the Nationalist One.
Increase Da Peace
Sava Da Flava
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January 18th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWell maybe we would be a bit more supportive of your views if it made more sense. Instead all you’re blabbing about sounds so funny and silly, we don’t know if you are joking or not.
Now the Borobudur was built by the aliens…mmmmm…you should contact Jerry Bruckheimer and write scripts with him, at least that way you use your imagination to entertain people.
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January 18th, 2007 at 8:08 pmI’ve got a conspiracy theory too.
Probably Borat is taking part in the discussion using at least two different aliases.
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January 18th, 2007 at 9:12 pmDear ONO team,
You failed to convince people that the CIA is responsible for those bad things, now you start blaming the Jews? you’re making an obnoxious, pathetic, and crude accusation.You want to talk about evil things other countries have done to Indonesia? the westerners sure had their fair share, but why didn’t you talk about the 3.5 years of Japanese occupation? why didn’t you mention the evil influence of those middle eastern organizations spreading hatred among Indonesians (al-qaeda, just to name a few)? how about the communist? how about the communists? and while we’re on this one, how about what our own “Orde Baru” government did in 1965-1966 - “the great purge”?
Time has changed guys, do NOT spread lies. We all can be very good patriots and nationalists without blaming others - and that makes us Indonesians look much better.
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Joy Says:
January 18th, 2007 at 10:41 pmBapak Achmad,
When I first read your posting, I thought you were just being funny and sarcastic!
Are you?Can’t you see that people here are not taking you seriously?
I wonder if you have friends or relatives that you can talk to and share your theories? Don’t forget to mention about the Borobudur!
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January 18th, 2007 at 11:07 pmAchmad Sudarsono, could it be that Srimulat is also run by a bunch of undercover CIA agents?
That Tukul guy may be one of them…. hmm, now that I think about it, I’m sure he’s one of them, I saw him talking on a cellphone the other day at Pondok Indah Mall, he must be contacting their headquarter!!
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sgn Says:
January 18th, 2007 at 11:42 pmHahahahhaaa….
so much fun, here.I am thinking to terminate my subscription to DiscoveryChannel and NationalGeography.
Hahahahhaaa….
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January 18th, 2007 at 11:49 pmWhy didn’t you mention the evil influence of those middle eastern organizations spreading hatred among Indonesians (al-qaeda, just to name a few)?
Andrew; does al-qaeda actually exist in Indonesia? In fact does it actually exist at all? Or is it an invention; an excuse to invade Muslim countries. I know what I think and I know what Pak Achmad thinks; so as an Indonesian you should listen to your elders instead of CNN and then you might start to see the world as it really is.
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January 19th, 2007 at 12:10 amDaryono, I need to be VERY careful in filtering out the information I receive. I don’t blindly trust people, I don’t blindly believe CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, Al-Jazeera, NHK, BBC, TVRI - you name it - either.
I find your point of view (”evil western influence”) outrageous, out of proportion, and very biased.
So the answer is YES, I probably can listen to anyone, including my elders, but NO I can’t always agree with their perspective.
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January 19th, 2007 at 12:20 amDaryono,
does al-qaeda actually exist in Indonesia? In fact does it actually exist at all? Or is it an invention; an excuse to invade Muslim countries. I know what I think and I know what Pak Achmad thinks; so as an Indonesian you should listen to your elders instead of CNN and then you might start to see the world as it really is.
1. How old are you both, you and Achmad Sudarsono?
2. With should listen to you? With these knowledges (?) and view you shown here?
3. What is the reallity, your view?
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January 19th, 2007 at 1:21 amDaryono, give me just one reason why we should listen to you and your twin “ono” brother.
Tough to be an old guy with nothing else other than just being old, eh? The old way of convincing people by means of seniority doesn’t work anymore….
Old dogs worldwide had better find a way to learn new tricks…
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January 19th, 2007 at 9:43 amDear Friends,
Let’s set the record straight: I think when Bpk Daryono meant ‘elders’ he was talking about wisdom rather than age. You all seem to be trying to be good Indonesians, but it is myself and Daryono that have been fighting to keep the Red and White Flag flying here.
- Thank you, Joy for my correct title.
Friends
1. Mr. Andrew, most people from the Middle East are good Muslims so they would never spread wild conspiracy theories, ridiculous ideas or hatred. Once again, it is the Zionists who are creating these organizations as an excuse to control and enslave Muslims.
2. It is not yet proven that Borobudur was put there by aliens. But what else can explain it ? There are even special capsules with cross-legged astronauts sitting in concentric circles waiting the right signal to bring them to life. This is part of why the CIA wants to control Indonesia - to allow NASA to perform secret research for U.F.O. technology.
3. I am not a communist. I have a conduct of good letter (surat kelakuan baik) from the local police signed by Bpk RT to prove this. Ok, Ok, So ‘Pak Harto made a few mistakes in 1965, and maybe the Japanese went a bit overboard in the ’40s, but its better than having the Meneer back and being the Jongos.
Also, I don’t hate Jews; if they converted to Islam there would be no problem.
4. Finally, friends, if myself and Bpk Daryono have to return to our duties of Dakwa, and struggling to keep Indonesia free, I recommend you watch the Sinetron “Hidayah”; it contains many stories which would help someone like Mr. Andrew.
Increase Da Peace
Sava Da Flava.
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January 19th, 2007 at 9:51 amAchmad,
(1) Crap.
(2) Crap.
(3) “if they converted to Islam there would be no problem”. WHEN PIGS FLY.
(4) Watch “Hidayah”? I don’t need no stinkin’ sinetron. You’re the one who needs help; please watch Phsycho the movie, you’ll find it familiar.And finally, for God’s sake, see a shrink.
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January 19th, 2007 at 9:54 amHi Achmad,
For some reason I have a feeling that you are just another zit-faced-16-year-old kid that just discover the world of conspiracies and internet.
1. Mr. Andrew, most people from the Middle East are good Muslims so they would never spread wild conspiracy theories, ridiculous ideas or hatred. Once again, it is the Zionists who are creating these organizations as an excuse to control and enslave Muslims.
Can you then explain why the struggle between sunni and shiah? Or is this just another CIA-Mossad conspiracy?
2. It is not yet proven that Borobudur was put there by aliens. But what else can explain it ?
It is called “hard work” by our people back then, you may probably never heard of this term.
Also, I don’t hate Jews; if they converted to Islam there would be no problem.
Which Islam would you prefer these Jews to be converted to? Sunni, Syiah, Ahmadiyah?
All and all I think you are just here to provoke people.
Thank you for your entertainment.
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January 19th, 2007 at 10:09 amCome on everybody, the Ono’s are winding you all up, this used to be a place where sensible discussion and debate took place, at least most of the time! Just ignore them, and lets have some worthwhile comments again.
Peace
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Grace and Mercy Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 10:16 amYes, and let’s not forget the fact that there are people suffering in the hospital right now because of this disease and there are suffering families who just lost their loved ones.
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January 19th, 2007 at 10:20 amBut I’d miss all the fun :))
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January 19th, 2007 at 10:28 amHi,
Just heard from my friend too that as of February that no one in Jakarta is allowed to keep birds as pets.
It just shows that our government always tries very hard to find a very silly way to deal with issues.
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1ndra Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 11:30 amAbout hygiene, how about starting from ourselves, our home?
Have you clean your home …at least your private room first… this morning?Hey watchout!
It’s only a small countdown before the heavy rains occur, if we let that junks sitting duck, just wait before another disease occur! -
January 20th, 2007 at 7:56 pmTomaculum said:
“Hi, guys, A. Sudarsono is right: don’t you all know, that CIA is Jewish and the homosexuals are Jewish and CIA and all of the birds flying in the sky are Jewish and homosexual?
And I have read here somewhere in this blog, that Baa’syir is an CIA agent. So he is a bird? Hmm, sorry, ..a Jew? Or what?”—> No Tomaculum, they must be chinese.
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January 20th, 2007 at 11:26 pmMiss Indo 07,
which chinese? Glodok chinese or from Hong Kong?
Hmm…. bird? Chinese? CIA?
Mis Indo 07, you make me confuse. By for a while, I’ll drink my wine so maybe I can see things clearly again.
Or was it Ba’syir? A bird …? Hmm….? -
January 20th, 2007 at 11:38 pmPrinciple of population (Malthus)
The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands. Should success be still incomplete, gigantic inevitable famine stalks in the rear, and with one mighty blow levels the population with the food of the world. “
This Principle of Population was based on the idea that population if unchecked increases at a geometric rate (i.e. 2, 4, 8, 16, etc.) whereas the food supply grows at an arithmetic rate (i.e. 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.).
Only natural causes (eg. accidents and old age), misery (war, pestilence, and above all famine), moral restraint and vice (which for Malthus included infanticide, murder, contraception and homosexuality)[citation needed] could check excessive population growth.
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Bas Says:
January 21st, 2007 at 12:39 amWhatever. All the problems Indonesia is facing now is not because we are a stupid backward fanatic blind nation but because of the USA. Allah akbar!
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January 21st, 2007 at 12:50 amLast June, the producers, writers and several actors from 24 joined U.S. Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff at a Washington, D.C. panel discussion sponsored by the Heritage Foundation.
The panel, titled “24 and America’s Image in Fighting Terrorism: Fact, Fiction or Does It Matter?” drew a crowd to the Ronald Reagan Building & International Trade Center that included U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, among other political luminaries. Right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh, who noted that U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney and former Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld “are huge fans of 24″, was master of ceremonies.
Why do you think that Cheney and Rumsfeld are such “huge fans of 24″? Could it be that that is the way they see the world and would like it to be? Fact or fiction? You decide.
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January 21st, 2007 at 1:42 amSuuure, it’s all because of those darn yankees.
Seriously, we can make ourselves less pathetic a nation by facing the reality (that we still have a long way to go), and by standing up for ourselves. Or of course we could stay where we are and become more pathetic.
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For God’s sake, stop blaming others, whoever they are.
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January 21st, 2007 at 7:23 amBas Says:
January 21st, 2007 at 12:39 am
Whatever. All the problems Indonesia is facing now is not because we are a stupid backward fanatic blind nation but because of the USA. Allah akbar!Wow. What a short-cut is that. Ck ck ck ck ck…..
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January 21st, 2007 at 8:47 amWhy do you think that Cheney and Rumsfeld are such “huge fans of 24″³?
I very much doubt this is a fact. Ono brothers, are you related to Yoko? by the way, I noticed you got rid of the not-so-cute-it’s-actually-annoying embel2. Thanks.
Dimp, come on, give the government a bit of a credit for ‘trying’. I do feel sorry for the chicken farmers. I hope the next step government would do is to financially help these already-struggling-to-survive people, or am I being too optimistic for my own country?
Hey does it mean that we no longer can eat fried chicken? :(( I pray it will never happen. such simple food, but such yummy one.
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Paul Says:
February 2nd, 2007 at 7:15 amI have Muslim, Jewish, Christian friends who I would trust with the life of my children. As a non zionist, non Christian, non homosexual, atheistic, pro-third world advocate, who really doesn’t trust what the American’s are doing in the world of late, I can tell you that, to me, bird flu is no plot. We are all one in this quagmire.
I am Canadian and as far away from your situation as possible. I don’t know your politics, I don’t really know your culture, I really don’t understand American or Israeli policy, but I do know that bird flu is a threat to me and my family. There is no conspiracy, there is no grand plan. It is a virus that somehow came into being, that is mutating into an uncontrollable monster. It just so happens that much of the activity is occuring in Indo.
Governments and people around the world are preparing for a time when H5N1 becomes pandemic. A lot of time, energy and money is spent on this issue, thousands of miles away from Jakarta. The threat does not recognize politics, does not recognize religion, does not recognize nationalities.
People, poulty and other mammals are becoming infected and, with every infection, the virus is changing. Please, get control of the situation before it gets worse. Pointing fingers is pointless.
I hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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February 7th, 2007 at 8:38 amKedaulatan Rakyat, 7 Februari 2007Terkait merebaknya isu flu burung, para peternak ayam di Yogyakarta menilai isu flu burung terlalu dibesar-besarkan. Sangat mungkin hal ini menjadi cara agar chicken leg quarter (CLQ) atau paha ayam dari Amerika bisa masuk ke Indonesia. Hal ini bisa dilihat dengan akan keluarnya surat izin dari Menteri Perdagangan Indonesia yang mengizinkan paha ayam asal Amerika masuk ke Indonesia.
Menurut drh HM Taufiq Junaidi MMA, peternak ayam sekaligus konsultan agribisnis, adanya isu flu burung yang semakin gencar semakin menunjukakan adanya konspirasi global akan masuknya daging ayam impor ke Indonesia.Mass killing the birds and chickens in Indonesia and the same time allowed the aboard chickens being imported?
Well that’s sound for me like killing the local breeder too.
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