Christmas Rules

Dec 17th, 2006, in News, by

The rules for Christmas celebrations, by Abu Bakar Ba'asyir.

The head of the Majelis Mujahidin Indonesia (MMI) says Muslims must not disturb the celebration of Christmas but they also must not participate nor should they wish their Christian neighbours "Merry Christmas" or similar greeting. Speaking on the 16th of December at a discussion in Jakarta entitled "Syariat Islam di Lembaga Negara" the man of Yemeni descent said detik:

It's clear that the Muslim community must not disturb [Christmas celebrations] and must not get involved, like wishing a happy Christmas or helping.
(Yang jelas umat Islam tidak boleh ganggu dan tidak boleh ikut campur seperti mengucapkan selamat Natal atau membantu.)

He evidently approved of the deployment of 16,000 police personnel in the annual "Operation Lilin" to guard churches over the Christmas period. Any bomb threats to churches would come from mischievous types, he said, bent on disturbing good order.

Abu Bakar Ba'asyir
Abu Bakar Ba'asyir.

The changing of the year should not be celebrated by Muslims, he said, Muslims should just focus on Idul Adha and be aware that Islamic law prohibited celebration of New Year.


53 Comments on “Christmas Rules”

  1. avatar Miss Indo 07 says:

    Bla bla bla bla
    Just let this old cow speak whatever he wants to say, he does’nt have much time left anyway. *grin*

    Because I believe there are still a lot of my Muslim friends will say merry xmas to me. ^^

    Btw, to Moh Khafi or Bradlymail, or whoever Moslem who read, is it true that Islam law prohibit the celebration of new year?

  2. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Hi Miss Indo07, to answer your question: not that I know of. New Year started after the Quran was down. Maybe he is just jealous because he was’nt invited to makan-makan 🙂 or to the pesta. HEHEHE. He is just old and boring and thinks that having fun is a sinful thing. What a boring life he must have huh? No fun whatsoever.

    Oh yes and one more thing Miss Indo07, have a Merry Xmas, I hope you will have a wonderful day. And this wishes go to other Christians as well!

  3. avatar Tomaculum says:

    1. “Tong kosong nyaring bunyinya” (An empty drum sounds very loud)

    2. Ba’asyir for president!!!! (oh sorry, isn’t he an Arab descendant? Is this possible?)

    3. My interpretation to his words:
    “It is allowed to live side by side, but not to live together.”

    My god, what happened with my Indonesia???

  4. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Tomaculum mate, i think they need you back there…it’s gone downhill since you left bro 😉

    Is he really Arab descendant?! Well that explains his narrow-mindedness (no offence to Arab descendants, what I mean here is the teaching that comes from that far-away land then brought to Indo).

  5. avatar Dimp says:

    Hi all,

    I think all the moderate-Moslems need to voice their opinion against this old hack.

    The problem is that as the moderate-Moslems keep quiet then all the non-Moslems will think that this old hack actually represents all Moslems.

  6. avatar ak says:

    So much for -tolerant-Indonesians-
    No worries, selamat Idul Adha to you Mr Ba’asyir.

  7. avatar Longlifelearning says:

    I respect Mr. Ba’asyir opinion, but I have my own.
    As a Moslem, I will say ‘have a great time’ or ‘enjoy your wonderful time’
    but I’m sorry, I can’t say ‘Merry Christmas’ for my Christian fiends since that mean I agree with the celebration of their religion.
    I do happy when my friends are happy for that time, I will come if they invite me to ‘makan-makan’ just as when I invite them to ‘makan-makan’ during ied fitr.

    For this statement:

    What a boring life he must have huh? No fun whatsoever.

    Doing something what you believe: wake up at silent night introspecting and talk to Him, pray to Him to give peace, having break after all-day fasting, doing your best on everything you do for the benefit of umat/society, are really fun, I think he knows how to have fun for him. Do you?

  8. avatar Rococo says:

    Most of hardliner clerics are Indonesian of Arabic origins to name afew: Habib Rizzik (FPI), Jaffar Umar Thalib (Laskar sunnah waljamaah), and Abu Bakkar Basyir

  9. avatar Tomaculum says:

    longlifelearning,

    I can’t say ‘Merry Christmas’ for my Christian fiends since that mean I agree with the celebration of their religion.

    Why don’t you agree with the celebration of their religion? Because in the bible they wrote that Jesus is the Son of God?

    I’m Kejawen man and I’m glad if my friends invite me to XMas or Idul Fitri. I have always prayed with them with my praying. And off course I enjoy the tasty things and the beautiful atmoshphere.

    Isn’t it enough, isn’t it more important for the living together and not only living just side by side?
    Merry X Mas my Christian friends!!

  10. avatar Miss Indo 07 says:

    longlifelearning, Selamat idul adha.

    Merry xmas to all who celebrates, and Happy New Year to all my friends, *except for those who dont want to celebrate it, hehehe*

    *grin*

  11. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Merry Xmas to you too Miss Indo 07.
    Hope I will have a white Xmas like last year (but not too much snow like it was).

  12. avatar Ihaknt says:

    wake up at silent night introspecting and talk to Him

    Well Bashir needs to do a lot of it! Twisted old twat.

    doing your best on everything you do for the benefit of umat/society

    What is it that he does best? Preaching hatred? Meracik bom? Does the society in general REALLY benefit from it? Yes I agree with you charity and social work can be fun, but we are talking about Bashir here. Who is he to make up rules of what we can and cant do? He is in the end is a munafik evil in a lamb suit.

  13. avatar Andrew says:

    longlifelearning

    I can’t say ‘Merry Christmas’ for my Christian fiends since that mean I agree with the celebration of their religion.

    Don’t worry about it, we don’t need your agreement or approval to believe in Christ.

  14. avatar diandoank says:

    http://www.altMuslim.com/perm.php?id=1832_0_26_0_M

    oh by the way….Merry Christmas for those celebrate and Happy Holiday 🙂

  15. avatar Riccardo says:

    He won’t “allow” the backward twits to say Merry Christmas, but thank goodness he doesn’t forbid people from saying Happy Channukah.

    I guess the MMI-JI “Book of Fun” is a very tiny book.

  16. avatar Bradlymail says:

    there is nothing wrong to wish merry Christmas to all my Christian friends and relatives. Bashir you are a great liar ! Merry Christmas ! to all my Christian Friends and not forgotten to Bashir ‘ selamat menyambut Natal’

  17. avatar Miss Indo 07 says:

    For Tomaculum, I wish I would have a white xmas too like last year, but impossible, because this year I’m in S,pore, no snow here T.T
    But anyway, hope my xmas gonna be white inside my heart. Once again, Merry Xmas everyone, and thanks to Bradlymail and Diandoank. ^^

  18. avatar Bradlymail says:

    Miss Indo 07, merry Christmas to you too! You can celebrate Christmas along orchard road. On Christmas eve there will be a big party along orchard road. But don’t forget to bring your umbrella, raining season in Singapore. Enjoy your holidays! Bye!

  19. avatar Karlira Kanakahuko says:

    Selamat Idul Adha to all of you, especially to Tomaculum and Miss Indo07, you are the best commmentator in this website for me :). Selamat Tempat kamu Neraka to all FPI memeber and also Abu Bakar Baashir. Abu Bakar Baashir is disrespecting to non-Muslim Indonesians. But the most important, good luck to all of us. “SELAMAT HARI NATAL DAN BAHAGIA TAHUN BARU”! 🙂

  20. avatar Oigal says:

    Christmas is the celebration of the birth of a Prophet of both Christians and Muslims. How on earth (or any where else if you happen to believe) can that be a problem.

    I could almost understand if there was some reluctance for Muslims to acknowledge Easter considering the divergence of views at this point but Christmas?????.

    BB really is a sad example of humanity.

  21. avatar Grace and Mercy says:

    Oigal you said:

    Christmas is the celebration of the birth of a Prophet of both Christians and Muslims.

    To us Christians he is not just a prophet my friend.

  22. avatar avudz says:

    kullu ‘amalin bin niah.

    read : this

    wish that clear, also there are some cases for Moslem who can not avoid natal.

    read this link.

  23. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Riccardo

    He won’t “allow” the backward twits to say Merry Christmas, but thank goodness he doesn’t forbid people from saying Happy Channukah.

    dont give him any ideas…you never know maybe when he gets bored he will go across other stuff, religion, etc, whatever he can get his hands on…And yes the fun book must be thin 😀

  24. avatar Longlifelearning says:

    Toma culum

    Why don’t you agree with the celebration of their religion? Because in the bible they wrote that Jesus is the Son of God?

    Yup, you made the point, that’s why I can’t celebrate it, could you accept that, friend?, we do live together, not only side by side.

    Miss Indo 07

    longlifelearning, Selamat idul adha.

    Thank you, hope u have a good time this holiday. (there is a place in Sentosa island which has snow all year long-inside building-)
    *grin*

    Ihaknt

    Who is he to make up rules of what we can and cant do?

    He makes no rule. If you disagree with him (obviously), don’t bother to follow him. And my point was: if you know how to have fun, regardless what people say about it, it’s good for you.

  25. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:

    Hi Everybody,

    Sorry I am late to the party, been busy with other stuff!

    Allah says we have to respect the religions of others, especially the people of the Book, we also have to treat all of The Prophets equally (sorry Christians but for me God is one! ;-)) so if we celebrate Nabi Mohammed’s birthday, why shouldn’t we be able to wish for the same joy we feel then, for Nabi Isa’s birthday, I say it is a shame that we don’t know the birthdays of all The Prophets, then we could celebrate all year long.

    Although I guess if I were an Islamist I should say that as we don’t know the birth dates of any of the other Prophets and don’t celebrate their birthdays we shouldn’t celebrate any of them! But luckily I’m not,

    Happy Chanukka to all tolerant Jews
    Merry Christmas to all tolerant Christians
    Selamat Idul Adha to all tolerant Muslims

    And here’s hoping for a more enlightened, tolerant, caring New Year

  26. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Friends, for me I don’t bother what any (incl. my believe) teach me, if it is not logical and if it is to my opinion not a good teaching.

    I will alway celebrate the Xmas, Idul Fitri, Kuningan, the chinese new year, waisak etc with my friends who invite me to their religion celebration. And they invite me. And I will greet them for those celebration. Thank God, that my faith doesn’t forbid me to do this, so I can live together with them and not only side by side.

    longlifelearning:

    “Yup, you made the point, that’s why I can’t celebrate it”

    Nobody awaits, that you celebrate with the Christians. But only to wish them much fun and happiness is something contrary against the teaching of Islam???? Living together means also to respect other faiths/believes, isn’t it? Not only to tolerate it.

    avudz:

    Thanks very much for those links. And I thank my God, that he gave me the competency to think and to feel (akal lan rasa, paringane ingkang Maha kuasa) myself and not only according to any book.

    What is the meaning of “kullu ‘amalin bin niah“.

  27. avatar Longlifelearning says:

    I don’t celebrate prophets’s birthday, and I don’t wishing any happy prophets’s birthday. I don’t think the prophets celebrated theirs either 🙂
    In my view, by wishing happy ‘religion’s day’ it means you also celebrate and admit other’s belief. And for Moslems who celebrate the birthday of Muhammad (PBUH), it’s their right not to celebrate Isa’s, and vice versa (they may have other arguments)
    To Christian:
    I want to point out here, if I couldn’t celebrate or wish you ‘Merry Christmas’, it doesn’t mean I don’t share your happiness. I do happy for you having a good time, and then we still can have ‘makan-makan’ :p
    And yeah, I wish you all the best for new days to come
    hope to learn something new there.

  28. avatar Ihaknt says:

    Longlifelearning, thanks for the redundant advice, I already not follow Basyir. I agree with you with the having fun bit, yes, true people have different view how to have fun. But one thing for sure: GO MAKAN MAKAN!!! I love it!

  29. avatar avudz says:

    Tomaculum :

    What is the meaning of “kullu ‘amalin bin niah”.

    For Moslem, every works (even good / bad) is base on the intention, niat (intention) is important part of our move. In celebrating natal (see my previous links) Moslem have a way to celebrate cause we live in Indonesia (masyarakat majemuk?).

  30. avatar Rockstar says:

    Mr mubasir.. that’s what we call.. ‘Respect’.

    I have a neighbour that I’d say he’s one of the most kindness human being I’ve ever met. He sets himself as an example for his family and neighbour as well. He’s a Moslem and from time to time he always invites me for a Lebaran dinner in his house along with his friends and family.

    I don’t think he has any problem saying ‘Merry Xmas’ either. He’s been doing that from time to time. I’ve always invited him for xmas dinner too and he doesn’t mind at all. He even has a xmas tree inside his house. I’m serious.

    But I see his life does represent how a human being should live his life. And coincidenly he’s a Moslem, a very good one. Not because he’s been inviting me for dinner, saying merry xmas, or even has a xmas tree. Those are nothing.

    I remember, when we were in trouble, he knocked on our door and gave us a pecan pie saying that if we ever needed a help, just let him know.

    I still remember that line and the pecan pie I ate. What he’s done for us from time to time. He’s one great Moslem. Now when I look back at people like aa gym and basir, who can only talk, seriously.. I pity them.

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