RUU Pornografi
November 30th, 2006, in News, by Patung[Updated] The long, tortuous journey of the RUU Anti Pornoaksi Pornografi is approaching its end.
The name of the bill has been changed, dropping the “anti” part (RUU AP or RUU PP), and a revised copy of the draft has been finalised and handed over to a vice-chairman of the parliament, Zaenal Maarif.
Balkan Kaplale.
Although the changes that have been agreed upon by the deliberating committee are not known in detail it is known that the number of articles has been drastically cut down. Where previously there had been 19 sections containing 93 articles the new bill has only 5 sections and 30 articles.
The head of the special committee, Balkan Kaplale, assures that the new version of the bill has taken into account the objections to the original draft, objections which revolved around what were seen as attempts to over-regulate dress and behavioural matters, which some people saw as an attempt at Arabisation of Indonesian norms, or Islamisation. Said Balkan Kaplale on the 28th: [1]
There’s no “anti” in the name. So it’s just the indecency and pornography bill. All the submissions to the committee have been accomodated, including on the question of punishments.
(Nama RUU ini tidak ada ‘anti’-nya. Jadi langsung RUU Pornografi dan Pornoaksi. Semua sudah mengakomodir masukan yang ada, termasuk sanksi-sanksinya.)
Additionally, the ten parties represented on the special committee, from the Islamist PKS to the secular PDIP, have all agreed on the new form of the bill. [2]
The belly button issue seems to have been settled.
It is hoped that the bill will come before parliament in the next session, between January and April 2007. Said Zaenal Maarif [1], in likely reference to the objections previously raised by non-Muslim areas of the country, such as in Bali:
We hope it will be finished by the next parliamentary session, because it already reflects the diversity of the nation.
(Kami harap pada masa sidang berikutnya ini sudah selesai, karena isinya sudah mengandung kebhinnekaan bangsa ini.)
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January 18th 2007
The latest reports say that the bill is unchanged from the original version, only that the number of articles has been condensed, but that the content of them is the same. The words “anti” and “pornoaksi” have been dropped. It is expected to be passed into law by February.
There are 9 sections and 30 articles, 16 articles concerning protection of children, 8 articles for penalties, and 6 articles on “pornoaksi”, or indecent behaviour, including sub-sections on allowed forms of dress.
Balkan Kaplale says the wishes of the people have been accomodated in the formulation of the bill. He said that two definitions of pornography were used in the bill, “soft” and “hard”. Soft pornography was, for example, the display in pictures or video of womens’ bottoms, breasts, or hips in public. “Hard” pornography was, for example, the sex video of Yahya Zaini and Maria Eva.
He said punishments for distributing porn would be up to 15 years jail or a fine of 2 billion rupiah.
Some commentators, including Universitas Indonesia lecturer Gadis Arivia, womens’ rights activist from Komnas Perempuan, Neng Dara Affifah, as well as Ratna Sarumpaet from the Unity in Diversity alliance, Aliansi Bhineka Tunggal Ika (ABTI), complained that the bill was over the top.
Gadis Arivia said the matter of protecting children from porn was already dealt with in the criminal code.
There are at least 20 articles on pornography in the criminal code.
(Malah di KUHP sudah ada setidaknya 20 pasal tentang pornografi.)
She said children’s access to porn should be restricted but the solution wasn’t to make laws on how they were allowed to dress.
Neng Dara Affifah was dismissive of the law, saying that the Broadcasting Act and the Child Protection Act already were sufficient. [4]
Ratna Sarumpaet urged that the bill be scrapped. She said that the formulators of the bill had failed to appear in court several times after the ABTI had filed a lawsuit against them. [5]
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February 28th 2007
Article in Washington Post - “Indonesia dilutes anti-pornography bill”. House of Representatives speaker Agung Laksono says: [6]
A law must not create divisions within the nation and must be accepted by all citizens.
In places like Bali and Papua, bare-breasted women are a daily sight. If such things are banned it will be against local customs.
59 Comments on “RUU Pornografi”
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Retarders Says:
November 30th, 2006 at 3:52 amYeah… this law just simply means that all your porn collection in numerous formats will proceed to be donated to POLRI and members of DPR/MPR. (and some to Bang Rhoma Irama)
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Josef Says:
November 30th, 2006 at 7:18 amAgain where in the koran does it talk about belly buttons.
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Rockstar Says:
November 30th, 2006 at 10:00 amSigh, this is what we call, hmmpphh ah whatever.
Hahaha by the way does any of you think that Rhoma’s outfit when hes on the stage looks like that in dragon ball?
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December 1st, 2006 at 12:26 amShow us the pic, and we’ll judge.
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Orgindo Says:
December 1st, 2006 at 12:33 ambunch of hypocrite. WHen do those politician stop using these kind of things to gain votes? definitely those parties that support that bill wont get my support next election given they keep doing things that i dont agree. I thought the party should voice the voter opinion rather than changing those program.
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Bas Says:
December 1st, 2006 at 6:30 amI know 3 DPR deputy whose hobby is photographying nude women. They started with local girls then they get bored and pictured Russian and other Western prostitutes in Jakarta.
It’s a pity I have no white female friends in Jakarta who are willing to be pictured.. I could have made money with those 3 fellows…
I wonder if they will vote the bill. They will probably do…
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Miss Indo 07 Says:
December 1st, 2006 at 9:07 amas if belly button were more important than lumpur lapindo,,
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Tomaculum Says:
December 1st, 2006 at 12:18 pmMiss Indo 07:
it is the “mud” in their brain. They are so “mud”-ed, they can’t think about anything else.
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Miss Indo 07 Says:
December 1st, 2006 at 10:47 pmTomaculum,,u’r soo right ^^
n they’re busy watching the sex video of their poor friend,, -
Charles Says:
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:26 amThe bill says watching porn video is forbidden and it was misinterpreted by one of the parliament member so he did it as it is part of human rights. A very good example from a politician.
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si bibir mer Says:
December 4th, 2006 at 9:10 amThey will not stop until budhist monk also required to wear jilbab!
What they are thinking actually? They want us to dress like ninja? Or ninja turtle? I prefer Power Rangers though!Hahahahahahaha. Idiot, these regulators might in turn another Yahya Zaini under a religious mask.
I bet, Yahya Zaini is one of the regulator enforcing RUU Pronokasi dan Pornografi!
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Faiz Says:
December 4th, 2006 at 4:57 pmI believe they’re idea isn’t bad at all,
IMO they just addressed regulation to wrong direction,
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1ndra Says:
December 4th, 2006 at 8:48 pmWell, just think what better, let the porn spread, poisoning our child’s mind or burn the porn to the ground?
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December 5th, 2006 at 2:39 amPutting RUU on extreme measure doesn’t guarantee that our child won’t get any access at porn. There is no guarantee that imposing this law instead of moral law will remove the price of porn. People would not do porn just because it is forbidden, not because it is WRONG. And people will do porn whenever there are chances.
Our children can get into porn not because there is no law against it. But i think it is more because how we teach our children. We better know our children than putting our effort in this law but at the same time neglecting them. (Read:Dont be hypocrite)
There are also problem that a porn to a person may not be porn to other people. So I think it is an act of arrogance to impose a certain standard to the whole community. If the law doesnt bother a lot of people, than it is okay, but imposing the what the current RUU propose is just the same with imposing the prohibition of Jilbab in Netherland. I guess, if RUU is imposed, NO ONE in this country would have right to protest the same thing that happen in Netherland because we are just doing the same thing. Check my entry.
It is unfair to impose a moral law on everyone. If you really want an analogy, RUU is just like banning cigarette smoking. We know cigarette is bad, right? Do we want our children to smoke? well, then let’s make a law against it, completely! stupid move, I said. I say it is better to teach our children why not to smoke.
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S. Mahmud Says:
December 14th, 2006 at 7:54 pm“The long torturous journey of the RUU Pornoaksi and Pornografi is approaching its end.”
To me, this is hypocrisy in the real sense, first and foremost (yang pertama dan utama), discussion should be on how to abolish prostitution in our own country rather than discussing this topic in the DPR. Has anyone in Government and in the DPR/MPR ever thought of this? Our fellow Indonesian females are treated like a commodity to be bought and sold like cattle or sheep in Pasar Hewan, further more are treated without rights under the Undang-Undang of Indonesia.
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Achmad Sudarsono Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmAnd of course, it doesn’t get around the uncomfortable fact that alot of young Indonesians are getting their porn from the internet. The bill seems to be silence on the question of the net. Probably because most of the DPR members are super-gaptech, only turning to the MMS functions on their mobile phone when a colleague gets busted doing the wild thing with a trashy dangdut singer.
Then there’s the question of the pornoaksi behaviour of DPR members themselves, who have more simpanan per capita than anywhere on earth. Good to see our tax money gets used wisely.
There’s an old saying: you can’t legislate morality.
My (conspiracy) theory is Indonesia has oil shortages because most of it goes to the hair products of the DPR — Zaenal - see above obviously has at least a few thousands barrels in that mane.
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Colson Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 8:18 pmDresscode is just a matter of taste. Leave it alone. But I’ve to admit that plain pornography is not art. Maybe it’s dirt. But.
But, modern history learns a few lessons. In free market societies, if there’s a demand, there will be a market. Forbid hard liquor and you get the mob (US of A in the twenties) to do the job. Forbid drugs and drugtraffickers (Last twenty five years and the notorious “War on drugs”) make incredible profits. Forbid pornography, the appetite will remain the same, so the maffia will provide the service ( a prediction).
The penal law will create no less dirt, but a lot more crime.
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January 19th, 2007 at 8:25 pmWhy need a mafia when you can go to thousands of websites ?
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Fanglong Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 8:53 pmThe penal law will create no less dirt, but a lot more crime.
Seemingly!
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Daryono Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 10:43 pmYou all seem to be missing the point about what our legislators are trying to do. It is not about showing belly buttons; the point is if we start there; then we will send a signal to our young women that it is acceptable to walk around nearly naked; without shame as women do in places like Australia and America. If we don’t do something about it; then our religion and culture will have become obsolete and we will have no national identity left. We are Indonesians and we have to protect that against the onslaught of Western dominated cultural globalization. Some young Indonesian girls are already walking around in shopping malls in our cities dressed like prostitutes.
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January 19th, 2007 at 10:48 pmI am sorry, but i don’t really get it here, do we still have culture? What is our culture? which one should we maintain? is that the one that shamelessly raping people in May 1999? Tell me, is that the result of pornographic material?
There is nothing left to maintain I think. The world has changed, face it. this is the result of democracy and freedom. It all comes in one package. And btw, stop judging girl in Australia and America. Not because they are better, but jsut because I think we are worse. Be a little idealistic and more realistic.
National identity, huh?
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Oh ya, do you really honestly believe that those our the purpose of our legislator? To maintain our culture, to stop our country from moral damage? If you do, then I think they have done a good job again, to ensure getting your vote. That’s what most politician do..
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January 19th, 2007 at 11:58 pmSomeone seems to be offended by sexy Australian ( American, European, Nigerian, Balinese) women.
Funny. Religious moralists often seem to be obsessed by, as well as afraid of sex. They usually address women to behave decent, to hide their femininity, to be docile. But, in as far as I know, if there’s a problem at all, it’s the men not the women who are the main culprits. Seems to be related to the diferent amounts of testosteron.
I love mankind. But above all I love women. Especially the sexy ones.
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Andrew Says:
January 20th, 2007 at 12:35 amIt is not about showing belly buttons; the point is if we start there; then we will send a signal to our young women that it is acceptable to walk around nearly naked; without shame as women do in places like Australia and America.
Daryono, tell me where exactly in Australia and America you saw that - I’m sure a lot would love to see that (whether or not they want to admit it).
Oh and by the way, I remember seeing barebreasted women - young and old - walk around on Bali streets…. I never knew Bali was part of Australia or America.
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January 20th, 2007 at 1:33 amDaryono, you naughty old boy with your imagination!!!
What about Bali?
Andrew you’re right. Till the 70-ies (and maybe longer) we could see many bare breasted women in Bali and you wouldn’t say that they are shameless, would we?
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January 20th, 2007 at 2:01 amTomaculum - I was in Bali’s countryside in 2002 when I saw that. It was still a common sight, and no one lust for what they see, I wouldn’t think. I believe this is also common in Lombok.
And what about those tribes in Irian? sure, people call them “primitive”, but aren’t they part of Indonesia as well? We can’t have Irian only for their gold and copper mines, we need to treat them as family as well. The men walk around wearing koteka and the women do house chores bare-breasted - that can’t be called “pornography”, can it?
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January 20th, 2007 at 2:08 amYeah, Andrew, as I have written in this blog in the past (at an other topic):
Pornography exists in our brain.
Yeah, if our brain is full of scummy minds, then we will see pornography every where.
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January 21st, 2007 at 12:29 amIt saddens me to read that people; some of whom are Indonesians; are asking if we still have a culture. Of course it is the duty of our legislators to protect the moral values that are our culture.
The Balinese and the Papuans are not Muslims and we are talking about women showing their breasts in very primitive village areas where they don’t know any better. They do not do it to deliberately arouse the lust of men. I am talking about Indonesia as a whole when I talk about how women should dress. The majority of our legislators are abiding by the teachings of Islam; which, with respect to all; is the word of God almighty.
The Balinese have in fact been corrupted by Western pornographic values. Many young Balinese men have become gigolos for the disgusting pleasure of fat old Australian women who are looking for free sex that they would never get at home.
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Mei Says:
January 21st, 2007 at 12:48 amHey guys..
What is the danger of wearing additional 5cm of cotton to cover up some part of your body?
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January 21st, 2007 at 1:23 amDaryono,
The Balinese have in fact been corrupted by Western pornographic values. Many young Balinese men have become gigolos for the disgusting pleasure of fat old Australian women who are looking for free sex that they would never get at home.
As far as I know, many of the gigolos in Bali come from other parts of Indonesia (Java, Sumatra etc), but myabe you have better sources than me.
The Balinese and the Papuans are not Muslims and we are talking about women showing their breasts in very primitive village areas where they don’t know any better.
Isn’t it a “little bit” arrogant to name other cultures as primitive?
“Primitive” is a subjective label used to imply that one thing is less sophisticated or less advanced than some other thing. Being a comparative word it is also relative in nature.
What about if someone marks your way of thinking as primitive?
I am talking about Indonesia as a whole when I talk about how women should dress.
And Bali and Papua aren’t parts of Indonesia? And about which women? Do you as a man want to decide how the women have to dress? Because a man is “designated by God to be leader of women”? My, my, Daryono !
The majority of our legislators are abiding by the teachings of Islam; which, with respect to all; is the word of God almighty.
Isn’t it better if most of Indonesian legislators are abiding the teachings of humanity and of all of religions, which are, with respect to all, Daryono, words of God the merciful?
It saddens me to read, that people, Indonesians, don’t know, that the beautifull and various cultures are running the risk of being uniformed. And it saddens me to know that people, Indonesian, look down on the culture of their brothers and say that they are primitive.
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January 21st, 2007 at 1:46 amDaryono you sound more and more like Hitler. You think your race, civilization, religion is above others. One big difference is that Hitler made himself known to the world with his actions (albeit negatively), and all you do is pathetically complain in this forum.
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January 21st, 2007 at 5:40 amWell, Daryono, I think it depends on what is your view about Indonesia culture. If you think Islam is the root of Indonesia culture, then I cant agree more with you. I don’t think that Islam is the base foundation of our culture. All your argument imply you are not Indonesian. May I ask, are you Arabian? I am not trying to insult or anything, but let us be open-minded and have a reasonable discussion.
First of all, you say majority of legislator are abiding teaching of Islam, well, in other word you say that they are mostly ‘good’. How can you judge them by the way they look in front of media? That is called media influences. It is the same thing, you cannot judge people who are wearing lesser cloth as an imbecile or immoral.
I am not saying that porn is good, in fact, those things are not good things for you. What I am trying to say is this is not the right way. Let me ask you, do you smoke? Is it good? Well, how about banning cigarette from the whole Indonesia, I am sure that it is a good idea, but will it work?
It is not a good thing to impose your own standard to other people. This is why we are called Indonesian, a country with a lot of diversities. If you really admit yourself and proud to be Indonesian, then take a look at our country’s symbol and contemplate the meaning of the words below the eagle’s feet (or falcon?). If you dont even know what those words are, I suggest you go back to your school first.
I am proud as an Indonesian, but I dont think that feeling is an un-based reasoning.
Some more, please don’t curb your definition of Indonesia to Islam, we still got other 4 religion (maybe more). And also, it is not just Jakarta or Javanese, open your eyes and have a reasonable discussion. Don’t keep repeating the same thing. Post some quality comments, we are tired to reply lame comment.
(I might sound a little bit arrogant, but if you are uncomfortable with this thing, i suggest you go back to your newspaper, internet is not for you.)______________
Oh ya, for Mei,
What the danger of wearing less 5 cm of cotton in your body?
A lot of people in Indonesia make this sounds like a big deal!
Remember, don’t impose your standard on other people. Those argument are exactly the same with what you are writing. )
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Ihaknt Says:
January 21st, 2007 at 8:36 amOrgindo, if you are tired, just ignore the ONO brothers. I think they escaped from some institution, let them live in their own so called idealistic ‘world’. Earlier they asked to be addressed with Pak to show respect, because apparently they are old enough (if this was true of course), which means their days are numbered, hopefully.
Tom and others, yes, pornography is in the mind of the beholder. Besides, everyone is born naked.
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January 21st, 2007 at 10:45 amErr. Where about? I dont see where they are asked to be addressed as Pak, but uh oh, if that’s true, that’s ridiculous (giggle).
Well, for me, I just hope that they can also learn to see other people’s vision, well, enriching each other. Haha.
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January 21st, 2007 at 3:30 pmIt really doesn’t matter where the gigolos in Bali come from. They are Indonesians; prostituting themselves for the lusts of filthy Australian “whale” women; some of whom weigh over 100 kilos; putting slim Indonesian males at serious risk of being injured.
It is not man or woman’s place to decide how women should dress; you will find the appropriate guidelines in the Al-Quran. If you wish to dress like your pathetic western idols; Britney Spears or Paris Hilton; please note that you will be viewed as a Jalan Jaksa/Blok M prostitute; especially if you are keeping the company of Western men.
Andrew; your comments really are getting more absurd; comparing me to Hitler. Do you even know who Hitler is or where he was from or anything at all about him? I very much doubt it. I have never said that my race or civilization is above others. My race and civilization has suffered hundreds of years of colonial and foreign oppression. I have said that I stand to protect my country’s identity and culture. Yes; I believe in one god and that Muhammad is his prophet. Please refrain form personal insults.
Orgindo; I am not saying that our legislators are perfect. Perfection is, once again, outlined in the Al-Quran. They, like us, are human and should do their best; along Islamic guidelines.
Finally; it seems that we have reached a new low with one contributor wishing for the death of myself and the esteemed Pak Achmad. Once again; please refrain from malicious postings; and please keep the discussion fair and balanced.
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January 21st, 2007 at 6:47 pmDaryono,
It really doesn’t matter where the gigolos in Bali come from. They are Indonesians; prostituting themselves for the lusts of filthy Australian “whale” women; some of whom weigh over 100 kilos; putting slim Indonesian males at serious risk of being injured.
My, my, my, Darsono, sounds very, very sophisticated!!
:) You with your sophisticated imagination, you naughty old boy!
It is not man or woman’s place to decide how women should dress; you will find the appropriate guidelines in the Al-Quran. If you wish to dress like your pathetic western idols; Britney Spears or Paris Hilton; please note that you will be viewed as a Jalan Jaksa/Blok M prostitute; especially if you are keeping the company of Western men.
As you wrote: those words are guidelines. And God give us brain to think. Sometimes I have the impression that some people are not able to discus with other argumentations as to saya: it is written in Al Qur’an. And those words are Gods words, etc., etc., you can find also such platitudes stated by followers of other religions. And what about our from God given ability to think, to consider and to balance?
Appropriate? For whom?
Daryono, I don’t like the way some girls are dressed. But why should I say something about it? It is their joy and maybe their problems, isn’t it? I don’t feel saintly enough to adjudge someone and her/his deeds. But maybe you?
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January 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmIhaknt Says:
January 21st, 2007 at 8:36 am
Orgindo, if you are tired, just ignore the ONO brothers. I think they escaped from some institution, let them live in their own so called idealistic ‘world’. Earlier they asked to be addressed with Pak to show respect, because apparently they are old enough (if this was true of course), which means their days are numbered, hopefully.
Dear contributors,
I would like to remind you all that this site is called Indonesia matters; i.e. we should be commenting on things that matter to Indonesia.
Insinuating that Pak Achmad and I are insane; is rude, insulting and downright disrespectful. Furthermore; publicly wishing for Pak Achamd and me to be dead soon; is just a new low.
In this Tahun Baru 1428 Hijriah; I implore you to keep the discussion fair, balanced and clean.
Yours faithfully,
Daryono
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January 21st, 2007 at 11:04 pmIt really doesn’t matter where the gigolos in Bali come from. They are Indonesians; prostituting themselves for the lusts of filthy Australian “whale” women; some of whom weigh over 100 kilos; putting slim Indonesian males at serious risk of being injured.
So is it OK if the “clients” are slim and beautiful?
The way I see it is that you just want to bash white people and at the same time ignore similar conducts done by Arabs. Find a post in this forum that talks about Arab men coming to Indonesia looking for sex.It is not man or woman’s place to decide how women should dress; you will find the appropriate guidelines in the Al-Quran. If you wish to dress like your pathetic western idols; Britney Spears or Paris Hilton; please note that you will be viewed as a Jalan Jaksa/Blok M prostitute; especially if you are keeping the company of Western men.
In all fairness, why in the world do you think everyone should follow what is prescribed in your book? sure, Britney may be cheesy, but that has little to do with way she dresses.
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January 21st, 2007 at 11:37 pmDaryono,
I would like to remind you all that this site is called Indonesia matters; i.e. we should be commenting on things that matter to Indonesia.
And it is so important for Indonesia to criticise the dress code of the Australian women?
I have said that I stand to protect my country’s identity and culture.
And jilbab and these other Arabic dress codes are Indonesian culture? Why can’t Islam merge in the Indonesian culture? Look around and hear around, how many Moslems talk deprecative about the indigenous Indonesian culture. I remember someone has named here other Indonesian cultures as primitive.
prostituting themselves for the lusts of filthy Australian “whale” women; some of whom weigh over 100 kilos; putting slim Indonesian males at serious risk of being injured.
Daryono, even in the so morally destroyed western world is this very impolite to affront others with such words. And you claim to be a polite Indonesian?
And we should hear to you as elder and call you Pak? Are you serious? I can not citate beautiful and holy words from any holy book and I don’t want to do it. But I know, that I won’t insult other or view other culture as less worth than mine.
What goes around, comes around.
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January 22nd, 2007 at 3:43 amTomaculum, I strongly sympathise with your views. But, I’m afraid a bigot has to free himself from narrow mindedness. It’s obviously no use trying to help.
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January 22nd, 2007 at 3:51 amAnd I believe there is only one who can help him: God.
Hmm …. whose God?
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January 22nd, 2007 at 4:18 amDear Pak Daryono,
Sometimes you have to realize that we don’t agree at things like that too. Personally i don’t want porn to polute us, but there are things that is always there in this world. For centuries humanity has tried to eradicate it, only to see new problem arise.It doesnt matter if you are Islam or Christian or Buddhist. It doesn’t really matter. There are things in this world that called ‘common sense’. And we use it to identify things that are beyond our teachin or religion. You may think that you are right in a lot of things such as RUU APP, but let me tell you somthing, isn’t that the same thing you have done with US people?
If you see US people, they invade iraq because of what? Forcing people to adopt their ways. Bush use religion. terrorist use religion. What’s the difference? You are trying to force people to adopt your morality, well, US are influencing the world with their desire too. A right purpose does not always justify the means.
It is ridiculous for me when I see the same people that condemn US action at the same time try to enforce their morality. For me, they are just the same, bunch of hypocrite.
I don’t underestimate your knowledge about Islam, but I sugesst you to study more yourself. If you are really pure and want to know about it, then read it and study for yourself, don’t rely on people, because once a man wants to do something, he an justify anything by intepreting it differently, just like Aa Gym case. Be critical and open your mind, that’s how human survive. If you don’t then I guess you are not confident enough for your knowledge.
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January 22nd, 2007 at 6:51 amHooray I managed to upset the ono brothers! So you are not that ‘old’ after all.
especially if you are keeping the company of Western men.
Seriously, just because someone is walking with a western man doesnt make them a prostitute. You are so close minded. maybe a session of looking into yourself will help.
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Ali Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:53 amDarn-yono,
Who are you to judge our knowledge of history? Just because you’re old(er) doesn’t automatically mean you’re more knowledgeable.
By the way, someone asked you of your age, why haven’t you replied? Are you afraid that people will confuse your age with your IQ?
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Dimp Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 amDar,
Insinuating that Pak Achmad and I are insane; is rude, insulting and downright disrespectful.
Rude, maybe.
Insulting, perhaps.
Disrespectful, possible.Spot on, without a doubt.
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January 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 amOno brothers, ok, ok, I apologise, it was very naughty of me to say that your days are numbered, but you’re the ones who claimed I worked for the CIA, soo, they have the power (hence I do too) to do pretty much anything right? I cant help it, you guys just are such an open target. But if you see the rest is also picking on you. We are just having fun biting on the baits you throw in our fishing pond.
Well dudes, I dont take your comments personally nor seriously, but I have to admit that you guys have added a bit of a flavour here.
Respect The Oldie
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January 23rd, 2007 at 12:45 amIhaknt, leave the senior citizens alone now, you naughty girl!
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January 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 amIhaknt is a naughty girl? I love naughty girls!
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January 23rd, 2007 at 2:15 pmTo my brothers, sisters, grandpas and grandmas, my best wishes !
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January 23rd, 2007 at 9:32 pm:)) Tomaculum, you’re a bad boy!
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January 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pmBad boys go to heaven!
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Mohammed Khafi Says:
January 26th, 2007 at 8:31 amHi Guys sorry to be late to the Party!
Daryono you said:
you will find the appropriate guidelines in the Al-Quran
Can you show me these guideline?
I think the members of parliament would have spent our money and their time more usefully by reviewing existing laws and looking at ways of enforcing them rather than making another set of rules which will only be used for lining the pockets of the police and judiciary and after a few months will probably be completely ignored.
Peace
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sgn Says:
January 31st, 2007 at 11:58 pmmaking another set of rules which will only be used for lining the pockets of the police and judiciary and after a few months will probably be completely ignored.
I think, FPI will also take the benefit of it.
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Shan Says:
April 18th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThis is the first time I happened along this site, and going through the comments, I couldn’t stop wishing that you lot were my countrymen (and to be politically correct, countrywomen!).
I’m Malaysian, and we too have quite a number of people who write about stuff they feel matters in our country. Unfortunately, because of the way the country has been run with racist politics and Islam as a weapon, a large part of the commments which come from readers of these blogs (who claim to be Muslim but don’t show it in the way they write) tend to insult the intelligence of the average Malaysian who has simply learned to numb out the stupidity.
The result shows - today, Malaysia is on it’s way to becoming something it’s founding fathers never wished for it to be, which is a breeding ground for corruption and fundamentalism. And politicians have learned that as long as you play the Islam card and Malay card, they can go on bleeding the country dry, and in the process, blame it on non-Malays and non-Muslims.
The beauty of it? Spending so much time listening to others talk about the religion, none of these ‘Muslims’ have stopped to think that just maybe they’ve been had…
If only they spent time and effort to read their holy book, they’d learn what it actually says, and would realise that they shouldn’t be listening to the politicians in the first place - but they never learn.
In the meantime, we (the average Malaysians) keep hoping and praying that we don’t end up having to give up the only homes we have known all our lives because no one has the courage to think and talk like you guys do.
Respect to All - Keep up the great work guys…
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findo Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 6:43 pmTo Mr. Daryono,
“You all seem to be missing the point about what our legislators are trying to do. It is not about showing belly buttons; the point is if we start there; then we will send a signal to our young women that it is acceptable to walk around nearly naked; without shame as women do in places like Australia and America. If we don’t do something about it; then our religion and culture will have become obsolete and we will have no national identity left. We are Indonesians and we have to protect that against the onslaught of Western dominated cultural globalization. Some young Indonesian girls are already walking around in shopping malls in our cities dressed like prostitutes.”
Do you know the difference about being nude(e.g. @beach, tanning) and being naked?? Why did you say indo girls dressed like prostitutes? Is it because you have a dirty mind? maybe the girls wear the normal clothes but your mind is dirty??
Is Indonesia an Islamic country? if not, why did you tell women how to dress??
What’s the connection between belly buttons and culture? Not all tradition in indo cover up their women like in arab… e.g. kebaya“It saddens me to read that people; some of whom are Indonesians; are asking if we still have a culture. Of course it is the duty of our legislators to protect the moral values that are our culture.”
Oh right, moral values.. so you mean it’s okay for indon to steal/cheat on her friends as long as she wear a proper clothes?
More about moral values, is TOLERATION not important for indonesian? why don’t you TOLERATE and RESPECT what the girls want to wear.. they have their own will, you know. -
March 27th, 2008 at 10:36 pm“It saddens me to read that people; some of whom are Indonesians; are asking if we still have a culture. Of course it is the duty of our legislators to protect the moral values that are our culture.”
Legislators are not the one who have duty to protect the moral values. The community is the one who can enforce it. You cannot imposed LEGAL punishment over MORAL issues. It is time for them to take a look at themselves at the mirror and start thinking straight.
I don’t know much about people who said that, but there are only two possibilities, either they are hypocrite or they are too naive. If they are the second one, they ll be forgiven.
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Agusto Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 12:26 amDear Ogindo,
what are you talking about? Those legilatures are very good muslims, and they have good moral value just like our beloved Mohammad. No community can enforce anything, only sharia can. All we need is to emulate Muhammad and nothing could be better than that. We don’t need no mirror, all we want is sharia and jihad! We will cast terror into the infidels heart.
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March 28th, 2008 at 1:03 amDear Ogindo,
what are you talking about? Those legilatures are very good muslims, and they have good moral value just like our beloved Mohammad. No community can enforce anything, only sharia can. All we need is to emulate Muhammad and nothing could be better than that. We don’t need no mirror, all we want is sharia and jihad! We will cast terror into the infidels heart.
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March 28th, 2008 at 1:36 amDear Orgind,
You should surrender to islam? It is very peaceful and tolerant! Or else….?
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March 28th, 2008 at 3:21 amDear Orgind,
You should surrender to islam? It is very peaceful and tolerant! Or else”¦.?
Honestly, people like you are the one that will make the world worse. Trying to pretend and misrepresent Islam, provocate public. Just go back to your room and sleep. The world is safer 1 day for each day u spend inside ur room.
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