Western Intelligence Agencies

Jul 24th, 2009, in News & Issues, by Patung

Whether western intelligence agencies are bent on causing mayhem in Indonesia.

Cleric Abu Bakar Bashir of the Al Mukmin Islamic Boarding School, known as Ngruki, in Central Java, said that the recent Jakarta bombings at the JW Marriot and Ritz Carlton were clearly carried out with the help of foreign intelligence agencies, like the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Although admitting that certain hardline Islamic groups were involved Bashir said these men were only the tools of the CIA, whose mission was to destroy Islam by ruining its image and turning Muslims against each other.

They will do anything they can to weaken Islam, including acts like this.

As evidence for CIA involvement Bashir noted the ease with which the bombers were able to enter the two hotels repeatedly while carrying materials for making bombs. [1]

Irfan S Awwas, a leader of Majelis Mujahidin Indonesia (MMI), an organisation which Bashir once led, also believes that the CIA is involved, but working in tandem with their best-friends-forever from Israel, Mossad.

Irfan S Awwas

The attacks had no connection with Islam, Awwas said, and he was convinced of a foreign conspiracy because at the time of the Marriott bombing there was a meeting of important western businessmen going on.

While just before the bombing of the Hotel Marriott Jakarta the last time, in 2003, a gathering of 21 CIA operatives took place nearby. Therefore such so-called terrorist attacks were usually preceded by meetings of westerners, proof of a conspiracy, he said. [2]

Gatra

Considering at least the possibility that western intelligence agencies are behind the attacks also occurs in mainstream circles, like the weekly magazine Gatra, where an article about the jihadi footsoldiers of the Mega Kuningan bombings ends with the question: [3]

Who was behind these men in the field? Is it true that it's western intelligence agencies?

27 Comments on “Western Intelligence Agencies”

diego Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 1:57 am
Oh my gay god, not again….
diego Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 2:45 am
On my second thought, yea, they’re right. The bombing was done by westerners (those dirty cowardly scumbags). West, relative to Bali, I mean. Ok, if you don’t get it yet: malaysians.
Rambutan Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 8:16 am
TV One is also busy inviting JI representatives to their talk shows. Providing a platform to these guys for the sake of higher ratings??
Hechter Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Of course this was the work of the CIA. Bashirs prooves it with is undeniable arguments and logic. Nudism is their other tool to bring Indonesia down. Theirs is a dual strategy: boobs & bombs. That’s why they were testing their nuclear bombs on the Bikini Atoll!
DumadiSatrio Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Just back from a long vacation…in time for this

anyway, I always wondered, If the CIA is smart enough to convince religious fanatics to do their bidding, why dont they just trick them all into loving them or something?
And what would the motive be anyway? Barak Obama getting revenge on Jakarta because someone teased him in school? It doesnt make sense. Indonesia and “the west” have a good relationship, the only ones who benefit from weakening the government, sowing discord, chasing away investment, and creating chaos and mayhem are……people like Bashir!
molceonly Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Now that was hilarious…

I quote:
DumadiSatrio Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 10:47 am

… Barak Obama getting revenge on Jakarta because someone teased him in school? …

Hahaha… I laugh my ass off. so Barry got bully and now he got his revenge?

That’s funny dude.
Orang-Aus Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Yeah right Bakar,

Blame the West, not your uneducated vile friends and deviant school. I think if Barry wanted to punish Indonesia he could do it in a lot of other ways that does not involve killing.

Is it just me or does Bakar look like the KFC man???
Rani Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I found this http://www.nrc.nl/international/Features/article2308903.ece/Indonesian_school_takes_pride_in_its_terrorist_pupils
diego Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Thanks Rani,

They were doing their best to grow beards but most didn’t get beyond a few hairs.

Haven’t they heard of “Firdaus Oil”, or “Neril”? Geez, someone, please help them.

Serious now: uhm…, what’s so difficult about cramming Abu Bakar Basyir and 1500+ pupils into a rehabilitation camp (labour, re-education, or whatever we fancy to name it)? Just sent a troop of ABRI, herd them into a big haul, and ship them all the way to that island.
diego Says:
July 24th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
His friend Farouk said Friday’s attacks in Jakarta were “neither good nor bad”. He and his friends often watch videos showing the crimes perpetrated by the West against their ‘Muslim brothers’ in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan. “I feel bad about the victims of attacks like these. But I feel less bad if they’re kafirs, non-Muslims. We don’t need to help them; they can help themselves.“

Isn’t it like an affirmation that we, the kafiruns, are better and stronger?
Ross Says:
July 25th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Yes, given what the vile old goat has said about his fans being entitled to assault innocent visitors to Indonesia, if they dare to show skin on a beach, we should not give vast credence to his claims on the bombings.
It’s a bit like Gerry Adams after the Canary Wharf murders, when he ‘regretted’ it, but on being asked if his followers should assist the police in catching the culprits,…oh… no way, Jose!
And that’s a timely reminder to us bules (including myself) who lash Indonesia for its shortcomings in these matters.
At least SBY did not appoint Amrozi and the other Bali Beasts to provincial ministerial positions, as Major and Blair did with the IRA in the UK Province of Ulster.
Oigal Says:
July 25th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Dang Ross..Ulster to Bali is a long bow to draw.
Ross Says:
July 26th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Yes, true, but the Ould Country was on my mind after a recent exchange, and I’ve always felt a twinge of double-standards when I ‘rail’ at local terrs and then remember how Whitehall and Westminster proved so yellow-bellied.
Murdering folks going about their innocent business is wicked regardless of the creed or colour of the perps or victims, and we ought not to forget that. I’m sure you don’t disagree.
diego Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 5:34 am
Whiteys,

Have you read this? http://hidayatullah.com/berita/internasional/8842-non-muslim-inggris-gunakan-hukum-syariah.html

Way to go, londonistaners!!!

*rolling eyes*

Why do you have to succumb to those stinky-goaties’ mumbo-jumbos???
ultratupai Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:26 am
The CIA has a long and nasty history screwing around with Indonesia. But right now I would say that it would be rather counter productive for them to be doing this now. The United States has no interest in seeing Indonesia destabilized. Also the CIA is not what it used to be and is rather preoccupied right now.

It’s just easy to blame the CIA or whatever… I quite agree with Ross.
TheWrathOfGrapes Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Hechter Says:
Theirs is a dual strategy: boobs & bombs. That’s why they were testing their nuclear bombs on the Bikini Atoll!

Yup – and all their mines are booby-trapped!
Peter Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Don’t Indonesians ever get tired blaming the rest of the word for their problems?
Peter Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:45 am
*world
Oigal Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Peter.. In a word Nope!

Lets see this year it was the evil Singaporeans stealing their sand and hiding corruptors (ignoring the fact, the sand is sold by Indonesians and officials provide gold travel passes to anyone who needs them), Australians trying to pinch Papua (what poison chalice that would be), Malaysia well they pinched everything, traditional cloth, islands, oil, songs…yawn..

In fact Malaysia been the favorite whipping boy for about a month, we are due for a change…
diego Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Oigal…,

Malaysia really is such a shitty country (they have weird girly accent to start with). What’s wrong about making it the “whipping boy”? Due for a change? No way. It must last.
Oigal Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Nice airport and the trains and power stations work.

Having said that, on my last visit I was really suprised at the level of hatred between ethnic groups there, I am used to ethnic and religious intolerance after living here for some time but there it was to another level. It was unusual in that every cab driver etc was all too ready to say really bizarre things about other ethnic groups..Indian vs Chinese, Chinese vs Indian Malay vs everyone..It’s a real powerkeg just awaiting..
Ross Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Rambutan, you are correct in being concerned that TVOne has these JI creepos along for ‘useful input.’
The issue of giving terrs publicity and respectablility is hardly new, though.
RTE was stopped from giving IRA/Sinn Fein apologists a platform by the late Conor Cruise O’Brien, but once the pols knuckled under, Adams and Co. were back on the box, being treated as if their commitment to violence was just as acceptable as the actually political parties’ programmes.
Should groups like JI or indeed Hizbut Tahrir be accorded respectable or even legal status?
There are two ways of looking at it. One was exemplified by Muslim Turkey last week, which rounded up Hizbut Tarir by the hundreds, as a threat to Turkey’s reasonably democratic constitution. The other, shamefully, is Canada’s, which on Friday this week is allowing HT Canada to use a public hall in Mississauga, Ontario, to rally its followers, whose ideology includes a stated commitment to murder any thinking Muslims who convert to other faiths.

Indonesia seems to like the Canuck way. I don’t.
Odinius Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Dumadi said:

If the CIA is smart enough to convince religious fanatics to do their bidding, why dont they just trick them all into loving them or something?

Brilliant question, but just one of many. Why not trick them to convert to another religion? Or to kill other enemies of the CIA, rather than weatern business people and unassuming hotel workers?

But, of course, conspiracy theories are hardly logical, or rational. You start with the answer (whichever your favorite is…Jews, Masons, the CIA, reptillian shapeshifter aliens, Muslims, etc.) and simply fit whatever evidence exists to the conclusion that they did it
rick fontes Says:
August 5th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Maybe its time for someone to come up with a “unified conspiracy” conspiracy linking everything back to the snake, the apple and that chick in the garden. Then, with everything explained , we can all kick back on a grassy hillside, cool beverage in hand, and “disappear” clouds.
Pakmantri Says:
August 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Rick Fontes said:

Maybe its time for someone to come up with a “unified conspiracy” conspiracy linking everything back to the snake, the apple and that chick in the garden.

We did find the link to everything in this world and beyond ……. …… we called it “GOD”.

Salam.
Oigal Says:
August 5th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
We did find the link to everything in this world and beyond ……. …… we called it “GOD”.

Ah ah!! So God is a worldwide conspiracy..yup I could buy that
Dragonwall Says:
August 13th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Horay Abu Basyir. Make the blame and continue playing the bombing game and sway with whichever way the winds are blowing.

wasn’t he the one that threatened to take retaliatory actions when those convicted of the Bali bombings were sentenced. So after they were executed at Nusa Kambangan where was he hiding? Ahh..under his holy skirt.

He should be promoting the Islamic religion in Australia, Britain or perhaps the US because I feel that may create an impact for the religion or for himself.