The six new fatwas from the Majelis Ulama Indonesia, from vasectomies to abstaining at election time.
On January 25th the Mullah Council, Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) issued a new set of fatwas against the following:
The reaction, in particular to the (partial) bans on smoking and yoga, and the ban on abstaining during elections, has frequently been derisive, with leading figures of both Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) and Muhammadiyah saying the fatwas are not binding for their members.
Note - there is currently a thread in Indonesian on these subjects in the forum - Fatwa Haram MUI.
I might try scoring myself against these:
Fail – In fact I used to teach it.
Succeed – I have always voted.
Succeed – Agree with this totally.
Fail – Don’t agree at all.
Fail – Too late.
Succeed – Eminently sensible.
Since when did God appoint ulamas and priest to represent Him?
sputjam, ulamas doesn’t represent Allah SWT. They are merely ‘teachers’ or people who have more knowledge about religion than the average Muslims.
Ulamas and Priests are different in concept, IMHO. Since priests are considered as ‘intermediaries’ between Christians and God, while ulamas are not considered as such by Muslims.
I’m waiting for a fatwa in which it will be forbidden for Muslims to breathe the air when in the vicinity of infidel swines like me….
Frankly, I would like to see their religious justification for taking some of their views. The leaders of the Islamic world at Al Azhar (Cairo) spends years debating issues before pronouncing on issues. They examine the Al-Koran, historical developments, published jurists and sometimes,even a huge dose of common sense. There is seldom unanimity and the debates are passionate and interesting.
Apparently not in Indonesia. I have not read the rationale of the MUI, save that it was sebulat suara and decided over the weekend. Will wonders never cease. What upset me even more was the chairman proclaiming that he was now going to canvass the government to enact laws based on these fatwas. G_D help us.
Now that is funny! Why only like you? The more infidel swine the merrier in terms of limiting available air, right?
The fatwa are not binding in any legal sense. A fatwa is just means to ensure that the MUI has something to do.
If the MUI was serious then it would issue a fatwa that banned smoking period. The idea that pregnant women should not smoke does not need a fatwa. If I am not mistaken the warning is already on cigarette packs. The Government was way out in front on this one!
The idea that men cannot smoke in public places is ludicrous. If smoking is bad for you in public then it has got to be equally as bad for you in private, doesn’t it? Wiser men and women will know the specific references, but I have always been led to believe that there are Suras that stipulate it is haram to put poisons into your body. They don’t call cigarettes cancer sticks for nothing.
The idea that golput is haram is pretty undemocratic when one considers that voting is not compulsory in Indonesia.
I was just putting myself there as an example of an infidel swine (at least in the eyes of the MUI).
Vasectomies are haram now are they? Well, well, and here was I planning to get one in the next few months seeing as how after three kids it’s only fair to give the missus a rest. Sorry dear, you’re going to be churning out babbies every year until you’re fifty it seems, big Mo says a vasectomy is against the rules and we wouldn’t want to upset him now would we?
@ Berlian Biru – Ha ha ha Your last bloody comment really cracked me up as my bloody stomache stll bloody hurts from all my laughing. Your going to have a bloody vastectomy in order to keep the missuses from bloody well churning out bleedin babies until she bloody well 50? Ha ha ha! From what I bloody well hear you would be bloody well wiser dude if you spent your bloody money tying her bleedin tubes. If you catch this bleedin surf god’s drift? Ha ha ha!
I think vasectomies can be reversed. But I’m far from being an expert.
The golput fatwa is of course useless as the ‘qualified Muslim candidates’ can be interpreted in many ways.
I’m surprised that MUI considers underage marriage as haram. That’s encouraging and shows that there seem to be some sensible guys in MUI.
So overall, a mixed bag of fatwas but certainly highly interesting.
I think vasectomies can be reversed. But I’m far from being an expert
They can be, but it’s a hassle.
From what I bloody well hear you would be bloody well wiser dude if you spent your bloody money tying her bleedin tubes
Tubal Ligation: Requires a general anaesthetic, involves internal surgery and can lead to menstrual/other complications, including infection of the womb. Hence some surgeries may require a hysterectomy at a later date.
Vasectomy: takes half an hour, you get intravenous valium and if you’re tough, you can jog home afterwards.
People tell me that this MUI represents ‘Muslim scholars.’
Could somebody with a bit of spare time do some basic research and ascertain how many of them have even a bachelor’s degree in any subject at all?
I’m largely anti-elitist, and tend towards the view that the man in the street knows better than the establishment in any country, but if you’re gonna put it about that you’re a scholar, some parchments from colleges ought to be available for inspection.
So these are the things they find haram
yoga that involves religious/Hindu elements.
people not voting in elections if “qualified” (Muslim) candidates exist.
smoking by children and pregnant women, and in public places.
abortion, except in rape cases, or if the pregnancy endangers the mother’s life, or in the first 5 weeks of pregnancy.
vasectomies (because it’s irreversible).
underage marriage, for men under 19 and women under 16.
Agree fully with points 3 and 6, slightly with 4 and disagrees with 1,2,5.
How could a man make decision to vasectomy?
Really I could never imagine how.
Fore me, more make sense they who change their genital.