No Nudes Playboy Out

April 7th, 2006, in News, by Patung

The first Indonesian version of Playboy magazine came out today. Despite the fact that it does not contain nudity and is not any more raunchy than other established magazines its publication has met with much opposition.

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Playboy, first edition cover.

The magazine costs 39,000 rupiah or about $4.50. The cover features the model Andhara Early and inside she is featured in about 5 photos, sexily posed but with the important bits covered. It is mainly article based and features an interview with the celebrated novelist Pramoedya Ananta Toer.

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Andhara Early with underpants clearly visible.

Opposition to the magazine has come from predictable quarters. The Islamic Defenders Front were first out of the blocks, saying it’s all about the name:

The first edition might be tame, but it will get more vulgar. Even if it had no pictures of women in it, we would still protest it because of the name.

said FPI spokesman Tubagus Muhamad Sidik, who may or may not have been frothing at the mouth as he spoke.

The Front staged a demonstration outside the offices of Playboy and one member was seen to be stamping on a copy of the offending magazine to show his opposition to what he called “the right hand of America”.

I refuse to read this.

Hidayat Nurwahid, the speaker of the parliament, said that the publication was a kick in the teeth for the people of Indonesia, who were largely opposed to it.

He said that freedom had to be qualified by responsibility towards society and asked the people to reject Playboy firmly but without violence. Hidayat Nurwahid, who is a former leader of the PKS, was another who harped on the name thing.

Just by looking at the name of the magazine the people reject it.

Dumb people then. From the point of view of what is actually inside the magazine, he said, the first edition was a trick and later editions would be full of sex and pornography.

Meanwhile the Minister for Youth and Sport, continuing the stream of thick-as-two-planks commentary, said that Playboy had to be rejected because it had connotations of pornography and nudity.

And in the city of Makassar in south Sulawesi province about 30 morally motivated university students demonstrated against the sale of Playboy in their fair town, saying it was “forbidden”. As is the tradition in this rather rough neck of the woods tires were burned and streets blocked as the students also demanded that the regional government ban the magazine.

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66 Comments on “No Nudes Playboy Out”

Zahrullail Says:
April 11th, 2006 at 10:48 am
Please, remmember Allah alarm us with Acheh, It just happend, Do you want it to be happend againt???
Hendrik Says:
April 12th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
Playboy porn?? hahaha sick joke! Welcome to a free world! haha those moslims are funny again and again :))
zul Says:
April 13th, 2006 at 9:39 am
actually i dont care about playboy magz, but i care to hendrik be carefull when saying something i told you that Moslems are not funny, i can kill you for what you had said!!!!!
Rockstar Says:
April 13th, 2006 at 3:48 pm
You know wat is not about Moslems really, it’s just those minds that get corrupted day after day.
Seriously I live in the US where Moslems are such an open minded person. They don’t care about playboy really. All they need to do is just .. not to read it.. as simple as that.

@Zahrullail:
Have you ever thought of something broader than just playboy would make Allah angry and therefor punish Indonesia with a severe punishment? Have you ever thought of something more essential than that? If you have then you knew the anwswer would not be that simple.

For a simple case..
when a church got burnt,.. my question is this.. did it make Allah happy?
when a person got killed because they had a different opinion.. would Allah say, good job my child, now sic ‘em all?
zikir Says:
April 13th, 2006 at 7:40 pm
Zahrullail, instead of burning playboy magazines, why don’t you burn all corruptors alive ? They’re the ones who make Indonesian suffered. But after all it’s just about the money, isn’t it ? Have FPI ever tried to go to Suharto’s house and all his mates’ and burn them alive for making more than 30 years of pains for Indonesian people ?
Sandur Says:
April 14th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
Why so much addo about Playboy if the girls are not nude and anyways, I have not meet a single Indonesian woman who is fair and beautiful enough. Indonesian women are as attractive as dead fish. You can see nothing of value in an Indonesian woman, less any beauty whatsoever.

Indonesian women need to use veils not because they are Muslim but because they are horrible; just the kind of woman for the disgustingly-looking Indonesian Muslim men.
Zahrullail Says:
April 16th, 2006 at 9:59 pm
You know wat is not about Moslems really, it’s just those minds that get
corrupted day after day.

Seriously I live in the US where Moslems are such an open minded person.
They don’t care about playboy really. All they need to do is just .. not to
read it.. as simple as that.

To Rockstar

It is different between living in US and in Indonesia

So please do not make comparison between Indonesia & US

The referance value is not the same, the situation also different.

This is Moslem Country, US is Non Moslem Country,

Indonesia is ruled my Moslem, so they should act as Moslems.

Islam & Islamic Value must be applied by the leader.

I think, you are to narrow, I’m not referring only to Playboy only, I’m
referring to any kind of action which againt Syariah Law.
Hendrik Says:
April 17th, 2006 at 7:40 am
killing others because of a magazine is so stuppid and sad at the same time.. and that reflects on Moslems around the world. Thats not freedom.
zikir Says:
April 18th, 2006 at 5:42 am
Since when Indonesia becomes an Islamic country ? The most populated Moslem country, yes. But an Islamic (Moslem) country ? Be cautious non-Moslem Indonesians since many Indonesian people now claims that Indonesia is an Islamic country.
Man Says:
April 18th, 2006 at 11:14 am
Good things comes to those who wait till the end of their life journey to die as a Muslim….Eventually when everyone not bothered or no feeling seeing their own grand mom, mom, wife or daughter goes naked in public, its time to check ones own Iman/faith…..

Two side of the coin…are you proud of freedom of speech or figure??? or feel loss of dignity…

Go to the zoo and judge for yourself whether those who express/expose themselves in public share some similarity………
Hendrik Says:
April 19th, 2006 at 12:32 am
So killing, murdering is to show how to be a good moslim? is that on the side of your coin? thats just sick!
Andreas Says:
April 19th, 2006 at 5:35 am
No no no, that’s absolutely wrong. Our country is a “REPUBLIK” country, and it’s a “Democratic” country, not a Muslim country. Couse not just Moslem live in this country.
And ’bout the magazine, why do you bother? just don’t see, look, read and even touch it if that against with your religion rules or your will.
I’m absolutely don’t mind to read and see the magz, cause I just enjoy the beauty that God give to humankind, that’s it.
Man Says:
April 19th, 2006 at 7:03 pm
There is good Muslim and bad Muslim. Good Muslim is promised of Heaven and bad Muslim is promised of Hell fire. As long he does not associate ALLAH with any other God, eventually the bad Muslim will go to Heaven.

Every living soul on earth shall eventually die. Whether he wants to die as a Muslim or otherwise is his choice with ALLAH permission. Even a pious Muslim father cannot guarantee his children die as Muslim or otherwise. He can only teach and convey the true teaching of Islam and pray to ALLAH that his family and himself is saved from Hell Fire.

Hendrik, if you have been misinformed about Islam, I pray to ALLAH that you are being guided to the true teaching of Islam in the near future. Al Quran the Sacred Book has been translated in English and other languages.

People’s views and opinions are open to flaws. Al Quran is from ALLAH, the All Mighty God, and in perfect form and flawless.

A Muslim, I have conveyed the message to invite you to Islam and may ALLAH pardon me for any weaknessess I have in conveying this message.
Hendrik Says:
April 20th, 2006 at 6:14 am
Thanks for the invite! But I need to know more about Islam before i join. Does Islam support the killing of people because of a magazine? And how about freedom for other religions. Does Islam respect other opinions and does Ilsam know how to talk instead of using wapons? Does Ilsam promote freedom and same rights for women?
Rockstar Says:
April 20th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Ok I think that’s not what Man tried to explain. As he explained, there were good and bad Moslems. I assume that bad Moslems can also be called the radicals. These people are bad Moslems. I think.

I believe Islam doesn’t teach people to kill others nor any radical actions. Some people can be so fanatic that s/he turns the Quran upside down, tries to justify what s/he did. Just like what the crusaders did in the past, i’d say.

It’s interesting to read the Fact, Man. In my religion, there are only 2 groups of people. The believers and the non-believers. Even the Christians can be among the non-believers. The believers are those who believe in Jesus Christ as the saviour. At the end no matter how good a person is, Christian or not, if he doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ, he will end his journey in hell. Being a Christian doesn’t guarantee a place in heaven. The way to salvation is -unbelievably- easy and simple, just believe and receive the salavation that Christ has to offer.

As a Christian, I also have given you an introductionary to what Christianity is all about.

Thanks for sharing your thought, I hope you’re doing good my friend.
zehan Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:39 am
you are non Moslem just please care about your faith. we are Moslem and of course care about our faith - Islam. if you are non Moslem trying to attact and destroy what we are believing then we are ready to fight back you. as you know Islam doesn’t tolerate anything similar to nudism, pornography, nakeism , or such ‘berpakaian tapi seperti telanjang’, so for this reason we will continue to remove sort of magazine from Muslim world. either you non Moslem like it or not, that is your problem.
Rockstar Says:
April 25th, 2006 at 12:45 am
@zehan..
Nice word man.. you are the man of righteous.. I like that!! keep it up..
oh and I hope you also do the same to other injustice acts in Indoesia such as racism and discrimation. I believe racism and discrimination are totally against Islam too I assume? yes?
Fight them man, because we believe that we are being discriminated because of our skin and faith.

Thanks
Full Throttle Says:
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:01 am
If it’s only the title matters, aren’t there plenty of magazines in Indonesia that has as “vulgar” name as Playboy and also had pictures more “pornographic” than playboy?
Playboy seems to be more “porno” because of their fame, but the name itself isn’t porno if you compared to some magazines published in Indonesia.
There isn’t any nude picture at all. If you said that it’s just a cover up, well just give Playboy magazines the rules and they will obey it. They haven’t done anything wrong so far, so don’t act first then think. Think first!

What about “those” Moslems with high rank in government? They already done a lot of wrong things, such as corruption, trying to make Indonesia as a Moslem country.

All I can say to you is, finish what is wrong in “your” system then matters the others. Because I’d rather have a country that’s having pornography, but not corrupt. Rather than no pornography, but corrupt government.

Just for example, all european, US, and some asian (Japan, Philipines) countries allowed pornography but with some restriction, like age 21+, and they all are advanced and succesfull countries. While us, Indonesian, care too much for small problems such as Playboy, while those corrupt people are getting away with “our” money. We will never advanced if we all doing like this, we always be a third-world country that “eat” from USA money, which one of their product are trying to be banned by us? That’s just bullsh*t

@zehan
I don’t mind you saying that everyone of us believe in our own faith. But..
“so for this reason we will continue to remove sort of magazine from Muslim world”
First of all, Indonesia isn’t a “Muslim world” as you said. They have 5 major religions, and each one of them has their own stand point.
Before you care about Muslim’s faith and such regarding to Playboy magazine, how about what Muslim’s did to other religions? They burned down churches, rape non-Moslem girls, forced not to celebrate some of other religius big day because most of the people is Moslem. I just curious if that is your “Allah” wants from Moslems? I strongly doubt that.
Man Says:
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:02 pm
Championing for the wrong cause is not worth to fight for.USA, Europe or other developed countries are gradually turning to a new leaflet…I believe it is not impossible sooner or later they will morally change their life style upholding good values religiously.

All form of sins are still sins…..corruption, injustice, adultery, stealing and other immoral values sins to a varying degree are still sins…
Rockstar Says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:28 am
@ Man,
I agree, no matter how you look at it, sin is sin. Moral values are being shifted that’s what I see in the world today. We tend to justify what our sin by shifting the values.

However I think Full Throtle has a point here.
We have a bigger problem than just playboy. The law is simply not working. Salute to SBY who I think has made a great breakthru so far, but still it’s not enough.

It’s about time, the law should be executed with iron hands.
Yorokobi Says:
June 6th, 2006 at 8:04 am
first of all, I really had enough with all this religion/faith conversation, I believe we as Indonesian we are really short minded (I’m talking in general) only acted in reactive mode. with the opportunity of “freedom of speech” everyone can express their mind and thought, the problem is that we (Indonesian) want to be recognized as a person with strong opinion (and do not want to lose “battle of mouth/words” from the opponent). This is a mentality that need to be addressed as the same as so many interruption happening in the lower and upper house of Indonesian parliament, as one mentioned to me that you can see what’s the country like by looking at how the people act in the parliament.

Back to debate about “playboy magazine”, one thing i can tell you, that they WILL NOT operate or starting a business if there is no market for it, people just not start a business based on controversy or trying to stir up the whole nation, no business people has those kind of mentality. though as a male Indonesian Moslem myself I have to agree on any opinion about nudity as I believe is a degradation on women’s value, but once again I have to put a contradictory about it, the first edition of playboy has given a positive point in a new contemporary art of Indonesia, and I’m not trying to defend Anandha Early though I know her personally back where we were working at the same radio station in Bandung years ago.

Please don’t bring the name of Allah and Islam where you can’t even face of what you say or act, i mentioned this, just because I believe those people that act in the name of Islam and Allah always wear a mask or a face wear. they acted like they represent the whole Moslem in the country just like those representative in parliament. If they want to pass the bill of pornoact and porno action I would suggest a referendum or an actual voting from the whole nation, and i can guarantee what the outcome will be and you won’t be surprised as We are NOT a Moslem country, we are a republic where the majority is the power of the country.

It doesn’t matter where do you live, if you are Moslem or any other faith, as i strongly believe that koran, or bibble (old testament) are open to interpretation, and as you all know that koran or bibble (old testament) are like poetry. As you hear a poetry from a famous poet, the way you intrepret the poetry is different from the preson sit next to you. NO religion suggest any killing of any other human being. Mohammad always find a way to have a discussion first even when they were trying to spread Islam, DO NOT forget history how Islam spread to Africa, Asia, Europe, and still today regarded as the fastest growing religion in the world; normal everyday loving people, and it’s even stated in the koran (you will know this as i won’t tell you what chapter is it, because I believe you are more expert that me as only moderate unfanatic Moslem).

I’m not trying to preach you, but I just had enough with all the nonsense and propaganda that has been spread by a small number of minority trying to represent the whole nation. I just can’t wait when these people are running out steam and money.

Last word, please look at EGYPT with its belly dancer, and TURKEY with the ottoman type rules. It’s good to have a debate or discussion, but please don’t mention the same thing all over again, we are brother and sisters regardless of what belief we believe. look at what happened in JogJakarta, the spirit that the outside world to our country is enormous, are they Moslem? maybe, are they Christian? maybe, but they don’t care, their spirit is humanitarian, and that’s the kind a thing and thinking we have to follow, not going back about burning porn magazine, or something else. we have law in place we’re not animal, we are human that gifted with the ability to think about the consequences of every move we make.

If you think that Playboy magazine should be BAN from Indonesia, raise your concern to the ministry of information and media of communication that gives permit to Playboy Magazine to operate in Indonesia, don’t burn the kiosk that sell the magazine, they just try to support their family from the commission of the sell of the magazine.

have you put your thought as you were the magazine seller???

Think about it, and have a good night

Yorokobi
ME Says:
June 29th, 2006 at 8:07 am
I’m new in this site, but I read all posts carefully. I want to know some things:

First of all tell me: why are you fighting? Is that most importand matter in your country? I’m from Poland (Eastern Europe) and I can’t (or maybe won’t) understand difference between Islam and Christianism (or maybe I shold say Catholicism ). I have read Coran (YES! I do!!) and I think that it’s not very difference between it and Bible. Both speaks about love, duty, dignity, law and equality for all. But difference between them is one but essencial: interpretation. Luckly not all Muslims are radicals. My friend Muslim is very tolerate man. I think if all of us (not only Muslims or Christians) would be like him, there will be more understanding between us.

I want to said it to all of you: forget about the past!! Believe me-I know what I’m saying. Peoples in my country are living with strong attaching to the past. In my opinion there is future to win and every time you look back on history you will fall (and loose).

So Muslim: think about future and live “Playboy” (or other freaky gazette) on his/her/it own. Allah (forgive me if I offend you in some way - I know one Muslim and its hard to remember all things. If I offend you, I apologise right now. ) is a god, but I don’t think he want to stop you from thinking. Don’t use force - use your brain and heart. Its better weapon than gun.

As for others: Don’t use European countries as a example for succes. Its not THAT simple. We have our own problems (for example corruption. Maybe smaller but we have. ).

So… As Full Throttle said: Think first then act.
ME Says:
June 29th, 2006 at 8:18 am
One more thing: You are right Yorokobi. If in Indonesia won’t be a market for Playboy, they won’t come. Its very easy. Its Economy.
Risklynx Says:
June 29th, 2006 at 11:42 am
I think playboy is made for men. Does any Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish man have a problem with seeing beautiful women with their clothes on? Maybe all of the Muslim men in Indonesia are gay, and that is why there is such a big problem. I think USA should bring PlayGirl to Indonesia, with pictures of men. Maybe all the Muslim men will then smile, while the women once again laugh in disgrace at their Muslim brothers for being such hypocrits.
Orwell's Doormat Says:
June 29th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
I am not a Muslim - but I am heartened to read the enlightened views of Muslims on this website. I have great respect for Allah and for the teaching of His Prophet. I am Jewish, yet I long for a time to come again when Jews and Muslims will again be united in creating a brilliant and shining culture of tolerance, art, literature and morality. We have all become too eager to hate, to accuse, to destroy… I would rather set fire to the immorality within my own soul rather than set fire to a magazine. I would rather become drunk on God, then become drunk with stupid rage…
IslamSux Says:
June 30th, 2006 at 3:19 am
Obviously Your Allah doesnt believe in free will….

If someone is bad you cant make them good by force…u have to educate them

and let them decide
oaklandgirl Says:
June 30th, 2006 at 10:35 am
From what I see and read here the issue of Playboy is not so much that some skin is being shown, ( Example FHM magize shows more. ) but that there is a hatered that has be passed on from greneration to generation to hate anything American (”The Great Satan of Immorality”). We are not all perzert and immoral! The propaganda that the Extremist with the Muslim religion has tainted most Muslism views. I infact do not like smut mags but with the freedom here we have a choice not to look at it. And if more people made that choice then the magizine would not last in a free enterprise society. I have no problem with Muslim values- for that most part they are good values. Its the Extremist that pervert it and allow for thier women to be discriminated against, thier childern to be tought that if someone does not agree with them religiously then it is a right given by Allah to kill. Does not Allah teach peace and tolerance! I say before you Muslims start throwing stones at Americans, look with your own religion and get out of the 3rd world mentality of religion. Christianity has evoleved to the times. And as far as ANY religious book being perfect I ask you this. Who wrote that book- man given to him by his God. We know man is not perfect, only the Gods (whichever God) can be perfect. I know that things have been lost in translation and in reprint because we are not GODS and can not understand the exact words of God whichever God that may be. Can any man presume to know the exact meaning of the words spoken to him by his God- I know he can not. It is for us to take his word and make what we will of it. So Muslims TAKE back your peacful, religion and teach your children right from wrong. Killing and discrimination (no matter what form) should not be tolerated by ANY religion.
someone Says:
June 30th, 2006 at 10:43 am
WOW pissing about a magazine that doesnt even show nudity. Muslims, you suck! Is there anything in life that makes a Muslim person happy? It must really suck to have a close minded society like the ones in Muslim areas. Do this or do that or god will punish you. What a way to live your life always worried if god will punish yourself or not.. HAHA idiots
Willy France Says:
July 1st, 2006 at 2:44 am
I’m living in france and have many friends of different relegions. What I know about all believes, is that everyone makes there own dicisions bases on there own believes.
Let us be judged on the time we stand in front of the crossroad between heaven and hell.
Every religion says respect and follow the law of the place where you live your life. If the leaders of a counrty say the magazine and pictures are, bad for the people then get it out, just like all the other thing forbiten!
And the people who realy still want it then, order it from a other country where it’s allowed, and keep it for yourself.
If your country allow it, and you don’t. then just don’t buy and you will be rewarded at the time of judgment! But stay with your believe is the best advice i can think of.
daemyon Says:
July 1st, 2006 at 6:18 am
I tell you what to do: Go out and kill everybody who disagrees with you…you will last 5 minutes, they will last forever; and if you are afraid of yr sister, mother girlfriend or friend having sex with bad men and this is your answer, then you need a new cookbook…life goes on, and differences of opinion are never cured with violent intent. It has been thus since time immemorial; the Romans, the British, Spanish and Dutch colonialism…none of their expansion and enslavement was halted by stupidity. It takes informed tactical advancement, i.e. time and dedication, not stupidity and quick fixes. This only leads to the same: reactionary killing and decimation. And trust me: the powers that be will win in the short term, they simply have more expolsives, weapons and satellites to throw at you in answer to your only having bodies to sacrifice! Take your time and get educated
Robust Says:
July 2nd, 2006 at 1:50 pm
oohhh not religion again. Feel free abusing the religion, like a lot people did. make war, kill some one in the name of its. Why don’t we care more about our nature, place we are living right now, rather than blaming on God when the nature cathasthrope happened, by saying,”uh oh may be God angry with us this time”. Please keep on praying while cutting the forest down, keep on praying while clearing out the sea, keep on praying while you try your nuclear weapon in the pacific ocean, and pelase keep on saying that God is angry with us this time when the chatasthrope happened. And now we are quarreling about a magazine, like there is nothing to do, how pathetic.
If you will sacrificed your self for your religion, would you sacrfice your self for your nature?? And I supposed that you believed, that God is creating, the nature you are living. And I believe that He told to guard it, right?
Big bill Says:
July 2nd, 2006 at 6:32 pm
You have to understand Indonesian Muslims. They are like dogs who lick their Arab masters’s feet.

One of their religious leaders is calling for more Arab sex tourism to Indonesia. He wants Indonesian girls to sexually service Arab Muslim men who cannot get cheap sex at home in Arabia.

The way it works is this. A whore house full of Indonesian girls especially for Arabs is set up. Arab men arrive by the planeload. They go to the whorehouse and “marry” the girls under Muslim law. They have sex with them and then leave. Before they leave they get a quick one minute official Muslim divorce.

And here is where the Muslim religious trick comes in: this is not immoral under Islam because the girls are all “married” when they have sex. Get it? The Arabs and the Indonesian Muslim whoremasters who serve them are not bad in Allah’s eyes, since the girls are “married” and (perhaps most importantly) the girls are all non-Muslim. Of course good Muslim girls will be exempt from such sex abuse.

What a sick bunch — these so-called “men” that threaten to kill girls for wearing bikinis, because they would rather turn them into whores for an international Muslim prostitution industry. And what about the pathetic Indonesian Muslims who are creating this system? To turn their own women into whores for their alien masters!
BOO-HOO Says:
July 7th, 2006 at 12:39 pm
Cut the crap, guys!!! Indonesia IS NOT a Moslem country. Since when we became one?? Yeah right…in their dream.

You know! Those who protest are hypocrites - they just follow the crowd, afraid to be different. They may be protesting playboy in public, C’MON! I can bet those guys have at least one issue of PlayBoy magazine under their beds.

Haven’t we embarrased enough with what we did in 1998? Black marks are already all over our faces - “So called” PlayBoy issue is NOTHING compared to other embarrasing things we have done.
Pathetic Says:
July 15th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
As expected from typical Indonesians who cannot solve matters without even fighting. These kind of people make Indonesia suffers. Not those that corrupts. Those that corrupts also are Indonesian right?

I still remember what happened in 1998. I believe only those of Moslem Indonesians that wen out wild. Even in Qur An does not say to slay evil with evil…

I am embarassed being an Indonesian after that tragedy and I am still now.

With Playboy being out, it does not make a huge difference on what Indonesia is in the international face. So instead of fighting over anything. Why do not you Indonesians figure out what causes indonesis become pathetic as what it is now. It is the people. The government is also Indonesian right? Hence it is fair to say that the people are the corrupt one.
Man Says:
July 15th, 2006 at 9:19 pm
Polemic”¦Oh”¦polemic”¦egg and chicken situation”¦catch 22″¦..hidding behind the bushes”¦.all of us are shying from the actual true of life.

We always forget who is our real enemy”¦.the devil and our sinful lust.That is clearly what ALLAH, the One and only God (whatever man made gods, idols,mortals, animals or any form of being or creatures on earth are clearly not the gods to be worshipped) said in Al Quran, that the devil and our sinful lusts are our true enemy.

Each of us have our role, either he is the head of the country or the head of his family.

If he has the power, he should use his power to act against the cruelty or sinful act done, if he has no power, he can use his wisdom to act against the cruelty or sinful act done, if he is lack of wisdom, at least he should have an atom of hatred in his heart against the crueltyor sinful act, and that is the lowest form of Iman/believe as a Muslim.
neverbeenachamp Says:
July 19th, 2006 at 6:14 am
I think that all of the protesters of the PLAYBOY Indonesia magazine don’t have strong bases for what they say, because the magazine doesn’t contain any nude photo shots in it, ad why don’t they protest all of the other similar magazines in Indonesia???!!! It’s just ridiculous, I just read the second or maybe third issue ( I don’t know ) and it has no difference at all with the other similar magazines. I have seen a lot more vulgar tabloids but nobody protested them or even say anything abut the other magazine or tabloids!!
superman Says:
July 21st, 2006 at 3:58 am
Hi!!!Indonesia, what’s problem with you!!!!come on,wake up men,youre not will be a modern country,it’s 2006 not 1935,you’re a free country.
Zahrullail Says:
July 22nd, 2006 at 12:23 am
okay just try to think why did Allah send tsunami, earthquake & other nature disaster to your country continuesly?
Because Allah love you, and try to make you know that Allah disallow/dislike what have you done
oaklandgirl Says:
July 24th, 2006 at 8:28 am
Zahrullail, what a load of pig dung! Allah sending a Tsunami to punish a country. I am no Muslim, but I can tell you that no just God would send disaster to the innocents when HE will judge them each on thier own when time comes. Allah has no intrest politics. His laws where given to his people and they are the olny laws he cares about. I believes Muslims fallow the same conmandments that Christian, Jews and a number of other religions do in this world.

As a side note let us not forget the first comandment-THOU SHALL NOT KILL.

No where in Allah’s teaching does it say not to look at half dress women. I would hope that Muslim men would have the BALLs to withstand a little temptation for the betterment of thier women. I’m not saying that they should walk around half clothed “but for petes sake” at least let them have thier own identity. I believe that the Muslim leaders feel if they allowed women some control over thier own lives that they themselves would loose control of thier power. Muslims are being tied are rosted over a fire like a game animal by thier holly leaders. Can’t you see that by directing your attention to fighting EVERYTHING even yourselves that they keep your attention off how they are robbing you of a life of freeedom, liberty, and justice for all. What true father wants his daughter to besubjugated. I fight for the womens right to hold a good job, to have pride in themselves, to be allowed to choose who they love and will marry, the right to help vote on important matters. God knows that having just men to make the dissions was not right, thus he gave into the world EVE to help man. Women have an important role in this society, We are half of the equation that the Lord gave to this world and shoud be heard, seen and respected for the individuals we are.

So, inpoint-Allah cares no more about punishing those here and now than he cares about mans trials of self control. Get over it and quite blaming a higher power for what you can control yourself. If your government had disigned an early warning system like we have he in the U.S.A the loss to life would not have been so great and Allah would not be your out.

Then again maybe it is Allah and the obession with him that your religous leaders have instilled in you that has caused you to lose sight of what is to live, love and learn. So damn busy fighting all the time. Keeping your people ignorant so they have nothing to do but fight. I tell you, let them learn and help better your lives. Then you can quite blaming Alleh for everything bad in your life.
dude Says:
July 30th, 2006 at 6:55 am
I think if there is a third world war, it would be because of the religion factor

just the factor…NOT the religion.

Come on dudes…don’t be a bad religion interpreter!
^_Outpost - ZH Team_^ Says:
August 7th, 2006 at 8:46 pm
Ya….,
The 3rd World War, Is Would Be Because Of Religon Factor….,
Betwen Islam & Christian…., Or Islam With…..,

I Just Guess……….

And Don`t Be A Bad Religion Interpreter!!!, I Just GUESS……
kiki Says:
August 19th, 2006 at 5:12 am
wats wrong with u people.

leave her alone, will you !

give her a break !

its her live…..

why don’t cya taking care of ur own business.

she has reason…..

may God bless her and u people who doesn’t agree with her condition.

love and peace

kiki
Dafas Says:
August 19th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
I really want to know what is the matters about playboy Indonesia
evelyn Says:
August 21st, 2006 at 10:07 pm
My fellow brothers and sisters, I think we as grown-up humans are acting like kids fighting over a piece of candy and we’re giving downright stupid reasons.

So let’s just all sit on the fence for a while. Let’s count our religious representations out and talk as mere humans. Let’s not be Muslims or Christians for a while.

According to the posts I’ve read so far, Indonesia claims not to be an Islamic country. Can someone explain, though, why in the Indonesian pornography bill are the standards of sexual immorality on par with Islamic standards? Why is a woman revealing her hair and legs considered a criminal? Why call Indonesia an democratic country if your legislations are going to prove otherwise by being (very obviously) religiously-biased?

That aside, don’t tell me that you don’t see illegal porno mags and vcds lying around the streets of Jakarta. I agree with what neverbeenachamp said about having seen more vulgar tabloids. Why aren’t the extremists targeting this illegal market? Could there be another reason behind targeting Playboy and not any other ’sexually immoral’ publication found on the streets? I most certainly think so.

So I address this question to people like Zahrullail and zehan. Standing up for your religion is not wrong. But enforcing your religious beliefs on an apparent DEMOCRATIC country is. I also target this question to religious extremists and protestors. Do you actually understand what you’re fighting for? Or is it just cause some high and mighty advocate of God is doing it? You’re the one with the morals, so you tell me.

If you ask me, I think it’s about time you stop your acts of violence. You’re not going to bring your point across effectively in that manner. People aren’t gonna take you seriously, they’re gonna see you as mere hooligans and troublemakers. Bringing down your country’s economy and hindering the dignity of females is not going to do your fellow Indonesians any good. So please wake up and smell the flowers of mankind.
Zahrullail Says:
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:14 am
Dear Evelyn
Okay, we put aside religion in this discussion since our point of is
difference, but try to go sit back and think rationally, do
you think the people or yourself totally proud to show your “private” to the
others,
Ask yourself, did you really proud to see your daughters/mummy or any of
your relatives pose in nude?

If you are proud with it honestly I have nothing to say to you.
evelyn Says:
August 22nd, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Thank you for your response, Zahrullail.

I believe that it is a personal choice. It’s not as if these Playboy models are being forced to pose nude, it’s their livelihood, it’s a path they themselves chose and they earn money from it. It’s just an occupation. Alternatively you could say that they’re proud of their feminity in that sense. Women have different ways of displaying their feminity; intellectually, artistically, visually, etc. Either way, no man/woman/government should have the full authority to dictate how a woman should express herself to the public. That’s as good as denying a basic human right. Of course there are standard boundaries to keep to, otherwise we’d start seeing weirdos walking around the street naked, which is culturally wrong in every part of the world.

But what are your views about women being forbidden to show even the slightest hint of their hair and legs? Don’t you think the pornography bill is going a bit too far?
stand on my feet Says:
September 5th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
^_Outpost - ZH Team_^ Says

its just a magazine I agree wit u ZH Team Don`t Be A Bad Religion Interpreter n for those fighting about the magazine its more better if u looking for yourself and fighting for human rite not fighting for d crap
Tomaculum Says:
September 24th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
I’m horrified about some primitive notes in this “discussion”. The one laughed about a religion, the second abused and defamed it and the other wants to kill him because of that.
By the way:
1. Can some one tell me the definition of pornography?
2. How can Zahrullail be sure it was Allah who sent the tsunami? Maybe Manitou or Shiva or the Christian God or Nyai Loro Kidul has done it?
3. Indonesia a Moslem country? Since when? (as an expatriat in Europe, maybe I missed the news about the declaration to this. So please help me to find, so I can read it).
Ramster Says:
November 11th, 2006 at 9:44 pm
Let’s SUPPOSE that Playboy IS pornographic and the government has banned it
from the country but the publisher still tries to sell. So what? It still does NOT give
the authority for certain “organizations” such as The Islamic Defenders Front to do
anything they please; breaking into Playboy’s Headquarters and act like
barbarians. Humans are more civilized than animals, please do remember. It is all
about
politics. Politics are evil. Those who stand behind the walls of politics are seeds of evil. From there
comes war and murder.

Does it even cross your mind that humans are not allowed to judge one another, for judgements are God’s own properties? Does the word HYPOCRITE ring any bell? Nobody has the capability to avoid sex-(ual temptation), because that is one of the main reasons we are here on Earth - to multiply. “May your generations be like sands in the sea”. What do you think your sexual organ is for? Even two of the Popes in Vatican passed away while having sexual intercourse.

The Islamic Defenders Front have filed a police report against Nadine Chandrawinata, accusing her of “INDECENCY” and for being “INSULTING INDONESIAN DIGNITY AND WOMEN” for her participation in the contest (Miss Universe Pageant) and the display of her body in a swimsuit. Why Moslem men can have four wives while Moslem women can have only one husband? Don’t you think it’s a bit unfair? Aren’t they the ones that insulting women? To think of women like a piece of meat, or a sexual object. I thought men and women were equal, please, do not take away their birth-right by force.

Now, I do not have any intention to debate over the legality if the Indonesian version of Playboy Magazines go public, it is merely the injustice towards all the models. Even our Miss Universe of Indonesia (two of them) had to feel the bat. For crying out out, she was wearing her swimsuit IN the United States. The approximate distance is more than TWELVE HOURS by plane, so why does she have to face the court and get the possibility of inprisonment for wearing her swimsuit in other country?
Don’t you think it’s a little TO MUCH?! - Now I see that there is NO justice in Indonesia.
stand on my feet Says:
November 12th, 2006 at 11:19 am
why all the peoples always arguing about others life can we just live for our own good just keep ur self ur life ur religion ur supetitious or anything we can live together without fight with another just left them doin wat they wan
Intermezzo Says:
November 28th, 2006 at 2:29 am
I have made my contribution. I have bought almost all male magazines in Indonesia to make sure that the publisher doesn’t violate the law or include pornographic materials.

I think she (Andhara Early) looked very nice… She should’ve put a thong instead of those granny undies, though… The see-thru dress was a nice touch, but it wasn’t enough to make the photographs pornographic.

The second edition was a let down. I was expecting more skin. Darn! I just can’t wait to go to the publisher and tell them not to publish pornographic materials and ask them to give me some extra copies.

I am looking forward for the third edition…

You guys should go and buy every installment to make sure the publisher doesn’t include photographic materials, because that will be just plain wrong. Please do your part too. Don’t forget to include ME and Cosmo in your …err.. research material.
1ndra Says:
December 2nd, 2006 at 9:52 pm
Yeah, because mostly people think that Playboy is an icon for nude magazine…then most people irritated…why not developing a good magazine reputation so most people love it.
Khandahar Rocket Says:
December 30th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
Interesting to listen to all of you. Even more interesting is to watch people from different cultures fight over a subject that has zero bearing on their life or lives that surround them. Playboy magazine published and distributed in a predominatly Muslim country could be terrible for those who seek out things that may BE terrible. Honestly, the women are only working as models and displaying what god gave them at birth only -for this country in the interest of being polite and respectful, clothed. For any stupid Chistian, Muslim, Catholic etc. to entertain the thought that our one true god can be interperted by a man or that you yourself have a clue as to what god is thinking just goes to show you how very stupid and idiotic you really are. Tell me my fellow rocket scientists, do the ants in your backyard try to read your mind? Do you think for a minute that you really think you know what god really wants or requires from us? Look up moron! This galaxy which is just one of trillions in our universe which is one of potentially trillions was created by god. Tell me how a text or texts that were written by the hand of man could be correct. Only god knows. If you have his number, I need to call him. I would like to ask him about you idiots.
Vespa Rider Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
I live in The Islamic Republic of Pakistan where everyday I see, hear and read about discusting and depraved acts that are carried out by Muslims on Muslims.

Rape, murder, kidnap, torture, wife beating, burning alive, forced marriage, child labour, drugs, prostition, alcohol abuse, theft, arson, honour killings, shootings and suicide bombers. Should I go on?

Is this Islam, is this what Muslims are fighting to protect? Is that the world Muslims want? What does Allah say about this?

Someone will reply to this and say that they want to kill me I have no doubt. Kill me for what? Stating the facts that you don’t want to hear about, telling you how it is because you turn a blind eye and have been for centuries?

Killing me is not the most mature and peaceful way to deal with these issues. If Islam promotes peace, how does killing me fit in with that?

Now tell me what Andhara Early did is as bad as what you are doing to yourselves?

Judge yourselves before you judge others……….
1ndra Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Are they a real Muslim VR? Or just some no morality people covered with islamity.
Here in Indonesia its called ‘Islam KTP’ or ‘Islam just in card’.
Be a good Muslim and give them example how to be a Muslim.

And about AE, well, I haven’t read it so I could comment it deeply.
But at least I’m not supporting mags that promote mass ‘legal’ pornography.
There’re bunch of mags with far far better vision that are not promoting girl’s bodies.
Ihaknt Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
1ndra, the incidents mentioned above by Vespa do happen. And yes they also do happen in Muslim countries. A lot of it! Read more books, you will be surprised. And of course there will be a bunch of people who’ll say that the books were written by people who want to destroy Islam bla bla bla…in the end the followers are human, and human are not flawless.
Dimp Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Hi Ihaknt,

Incidents like that always happened in poor/corrupted countries, no matter what religions the people are following, when the law can be bought and does not apply to some “people” then these things will always occur.
Ihaknt Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Dimp, I disagree.

Arab is a very rich country and yet the same also happens there. It can happen anywhere so long as the people can’t control their rage, anger, desires and they don’t have compassion.
Dimp Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
True-true.
1ndra Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Yep, true. In Indonesia too.
Its morality speaking.
No matter in which they are lived.
NiCe2BeME Says:
January 19th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Peace Upon U All.

This is the dark age of indenessia with many disaster, corrupter, radicals and burning mags hehehe.

I think this is not the way WE as Muslims should do, there is a way of the solution better than doing extrem protest, it show how bad WE Muslim are to other realigous. For all you know, Islam is not just a Religion but the way of life. But WE Muslim with corrupters, rape, kidnap, torture and anything else like VR said make Islam bad to others religions eye.

Those extremist who burn mags, office and something that you look bad in Arab Country make others like ‘Ihaknt’ hate US, come my Muslim brothers N Sisters, let’s show them how good is Islam, atrract them with our beutiful way of life like what our Prophet teach us.

There is no Islamic Countries that really show the truth of Islam, either Pakistan, Egypt or Arabic, and some of them give the bad image of Islam.

Hmm, for them who want to know the Best of Islam or The Beutiful of Islam, you better ask Angela Collins, a beautiful blonde girl from California, who come from Catholic family, why she convert to Islam, why she atracted to be Muslim.

And the fact is, in USA there’s more than 2000 americans converted to Islam every year.

May Allah bless you and me. Peace upon you all.
anamay Says:
January 20th, 2007 at 2:19 am
I don’t mind playboy magazine published in Indonesia, I think that’s great, get them some educated about some thing they ned to know.
me myself have not see all the edition if the magazine, but I’m sure there are no nude photos, basically is same magazine they have in the US, no nude photos.(personally I like to be one of the models. :)) )
And look at that, I saw some photos, a Muslim girl looking at the playboy magazine, and majority who buy the magazine is Muslim.
And it’s not about Muslim. The people who already have a corrupted mind, of course they will get violent that’s natural for a criminals.
Chas Caldwell Says:
March 14th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
1ndra,

I am a latecomer to this but you should ask yourself what would happen if you accuse those pakistanis are not true Muslims but islam ktp, they would jihad your arse.
AJ Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
WOW. I’m an American. Do you guys have any idea how you sound? How you are perceived by the developed world? It’s pitiful. You say anything is justifiable to further your cause, and yet that same practice is not okay for others? The hypocrisy is startling.

So, if it’s alright to further your goals by any means necessary, what makes you different from your enemy? If it’s acceptable to kill in the name of your god can you fault the superiority of your opponent’s better tactics? It only demonstrates your weakness.

I, in no way, advocate pornography or the disrespect of local customs. But let’s face some facts, there are many locally produced indigenous publications in Jakarta that are far more offensive and vulgar than Playboy, and no one is even mentioning the filth and corruption from within. As you know, your problem is internal, and it is Indonesia that suffers from it’s own corruption, no matter who the devil is - the responsibility still lies with you and your culture.

If outsiders are there, it is because of your own leaders weakness. Until the world can get rid of mythology, superstition, ignorance and arrogance, nothing will ever change. Your country, to many in the civilized world, is stuck in the dark ages- and it’s not that your concerns aren’t valid, they are, it’s as some of you mentioned above- it is your ACTIONS that tell the world where you are ‘at’, developmentally speaking.

There is no other way to illustrate the point without offending Indonesians with this statement: Consider a human and a monkey, similar genetic material, both mammals, with forward looking eyes and incisors on the teeth, and many other similarities. Would anyone consider inviting a monkey into the house to share plumbing and bedding, the kitchen and the bathroom? Of course not! Even though monkeys can be taught to ride bicycles, wear clothing, smoke cigarettes and handle sign language, they are still prone to irrational, animalistic violence and disregard for consequences, because an animal has no concept of the past, future, and present. In that same way, many undeveloped countries can be compared to this analogy.

If the civilized world is the house, and the undeveloped, or third world, is the jungles and forests, how can we continue allow you to defecate and destroy the house? You build nothing, invent nothing, produce nothing and receive all. You refuse to clean up your own ‘backyard’, domesticate it, and grow from within, as Europe has done. You cling to antiquated, expired ideals and concepts that are less than primitive. That is not to say people aren’t entitled to their religious beliefs, opinions and thoughts- they should be.

The problem with less than developed countries is not necessarily about buildings, resources, technology, autonomy or access to such, it is about letting your minds evolve and keep thinking deeper and deeper. People, in general, with darker shades of skin tend to have more of a problem with mental evolution than those with lighter skin. This may not be pleasing, but you all know I’m ‘keeping it real’. This is why you have no infrastructure, and why you continually fail, no matter how much the western man ‘oppresses’ or ‘corrupts’ your people. It also has no bearing on your failure how much money, aid, forgiven debts and gentility you are extended, because you still fail. People think it’s about money, but it’s really about how you handle yourselves. Jews aren’t evil, they simply work hard, save their money and love their children. Once the Muslim world learns to love their children more than they hate Jews will they be elevated to the civilized world.
Melly Melastari Says:
March 27th, 2007 at 2:32 am
I’m the one girl of Indonesian moslem. I’m the liberalism moslem, but I always do respect my religion and others religion. I’ve seen good and bad things happened in Indonesian cultures. Unfair if we’ve thought that all of true in our’s side, maybe that’s our’s fault. Not caused by playboy magazine or whatever nude things can be a slip attitude off, but it’s being in your self. Are you will decide to be good or not. Choose one of those on your hand.

Look into your self, see, are you good human or not!

Let’s change our’s mind be real, change our’s self, and do anything you can do for your’s life, your’e religion, and your’e country.

See the reality, refix our attitude.
Miguel Says:
April 5th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
ItÂ´s great news for individual liberties. I was very happy to read that the chief of Playboy Indonesia was acquitted. The fact that criminal proceedings were carried against him was ridiculous. Welcome to the XXI century! It does not have anything to do with religion, that you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or animist. LIBERTY and HUMAN RIGHTS are UNIVERSAL, UNALIENABLE granted by natural law. Forget about silly beliefs and read about the age of European enlightenment instead. If you do not like to read the Playboy, simply do not buy it. It is so simple.