Indigenous Flag Raising

Aug 11th, 2008, in News, by

PapuaMore flag raising deaths and controversy, this time in Papua.

On 9th August to celebrate "International Day of the World's Indigenous People" (Hari Internasional Bangsa Pribumi) a rally was staged in Wamena at which the "Bintang Kejora" (morning star) flag of the West Papuan independence movement was raised, side by side with the with the United Nations and Indonesian flags in Sinabuk square in Jayawijaya district.

Police were said to have fired warning shots into the air, however one of the men involved in the flag raising, Otinus Tabuni (41), was, according to official sources antara

allegedly killed by a stray bullet

The rally was organised by the Dewan Adat Papua (DAP) and is supposed to have involved members of the illegal Organisasi Papua Merdeka (OPM, Free Papua Organization)

Vice president Jusuf Kalla said the shooting was a purely criminal action, and not connected to the government. okezone

Meanwhile, a few days earlier, 40 United States congressmen sent a letter to president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono asking for the "immediate and unconditional" release from prison of two members of the OPM, Filep Karma and Yusak Pakage, who in 2004 were convicted of raising the separatist flag and sentenced to 15 and 10 years respectively for treason. The letter read:

We, the undersigned, members of the U.S. Congress, respectfully call to your attention the cases of Filep Karma and Yusak Pakage who, in May 2005, were convicted and sentenced for their involvement in the legitimate and peaceful exercise of their freedom of expression in Abepura, Papua, on December 1, 2004

Indonesian ambassador to the US, Sudjadnan Parnohadingrat, said the government could do nothing for Filep Karma and Yusak Pakage, as it was a criminal matter, up to the courts. antara

Parliament leader Hidayat Nurwahid advised the president to wholly reject the US plea and said the Americans should stop interfering in Indonesia's affairs. antara


36 Comments on “Indigenous Flag Raising”

  1. avatar perseus says:

    Barbarism. Arbitrary executions and 10 and 15 year jail sentences for hoisting a flag at a demo???

    Unbelievable… Obviously an insecure regime chronically short on consent of the governed…

    Glad I live in Australia where freedom of expression is real and I can burn/hoist whatever flag I like.

  2. avatar sputjam says:

    nationalism/religion will get you nowhere. free the papuans.

  3. avatar Matthew says:

    I think the Indonesian military and the armed police will do whatever they like and there’s not much to stop them at the moment. They escalated their troop numbers after the Aceh situation cooled down.

    It is nice to see the US Congress becoming more concerned about human rights in West Papua. Indonesian human rights organisation TAPOL and Indonesian left-wing politicians like Dita Sari have been trying to get more international attention paid to the many abuses of power documented by many NGO’s.

    I know Dita Sari wants a referendum in West Papua, just as in East Timor, and let their people decide their own fate democratically. That’s not too much to ask for in my humble opinion.

    Australians like myself should get more interested in issues to our near North. We can apply some pressure behind the scenes to get rid of things like the flag laws and get a referendum going.

    Thankyou for your patience – Matthew

  4. avatar tomaculum says:

    Tibet is everywhere. Or China?

  5. avatar PrimaryDrive says:

    Matthew: I know Dita Sari wants a referendum in West Papua, just as in East Timor, and let their people decide their own fate democratically. That’s not too much to ask for in my humble opinion.

    It depends on how you look at the matter. Being an Australian you have no direct stake in Papua. So it’s easy for you to say the above. It matters little to you whether Papua is part of RI, or independent. For the latter you can even claim some credits.

    For Indonesians things are more complicated. Papua is rich, so letting Papua go is economically not interesting for RI. And RI really needs no reason to refuse referendum. Papua is simply a legitimate part of RI.

    From fairness point of view perhaps it is true that freedom is everyone’s right. So if Papua locals want to separate, they should be allowed to do so. But then again, things in real life is never as easy as that. Suppose your husband/wife is unhappy with you; she wants divorce and 1/2 your capital, will you, out of fairness consideration, simply go along with her demand?

  6. avatar Sri L. says:

    I absolutely agree that peaceful protests including raising a flag as a political statement should not draw a prison sentence at all.

    However, how would white Australians feel if the Aboriginal organizations demanded, say. Western Australia as the land of their ancestors and are willing to fight politically for indepencence. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that throughout the twentieth century, Australians systematically cleansed the continent of Aboriginals, and very poignantly, physically eradicated the original Tasmanians to the past person.

    Ethnic cleansing, even though the term was recently coined in relation to the Balkan wars have been practised through the ages, even by currently democratic countries that sanctimoniously accuse other societies of human rights violations. It is well-known now that the “land of the free and home of the brave” aka as the United States paid men to kill of the American bison/buffalo in the millions so as to cut off the food supply of the Aboriginal Indian societies that depended on the wild buffalo for their food supply, tents, etc. etc.

    In Canada, Native Indian children (I found this out to my great shock and amazement after living here for quite a few years)were forcibly taken from their parents’ home to be “educated” western-style. At the beginning of the twentieth century, a doctor from Vancouver noted that 25% of the children in those residential schools contracted by the
    government of Canada died of tuberculosis. Healthy children who were recently abducted from their parents were forced to sit and sleep together with children who were already infected with tuberculosis. The residential “schools” continued until the middle of the 20th century. Many children who were physically, emotionally, and SEXUALLY abused are now adults and can testify. The Government of Canada, of course, is not too happy about researchers digging up dirt (abuse, child killings) from the past.

    When I was an SMP student in Indonesia, I distinctly remember my history teacher telling us that Governor General Jan Pieterszoon Coen of Batavia tried to depopulate Java but was not successful. Anybody knows something about this? I have no time to do any kind of research however fascinating the topic is.

    I do not think there is any state that does not have blood on its hands from the past or the present. No country in the world can afford to be smug about their human rights
    record. Nevertheless, I believe we can and should do things on an everyday basis to improve human rights. One day someone else’s human rights are trampled upon. The next day it will be ours.

    Thank you to Patung for raising the issue. Probably nobody who participates in this discussion is Papuan but any human rights violation is a worldwide issue as all countries signed the Declaration of Human Rights.

  7. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    Human Rights?

    Like those of the Iraqis under the BP-Shell-Standard Oil Expeditionary Force?

    The West is so full of its’ own sh*t, it should be the global magnate of the manure industry.

    High Treason and Sedition carry the death penalty. Simple.
    As does being a Vichy collaborator of colonials seeking the break-up of Indonesian sovereign territory.

    The UN agrees Irian belongs to Indonesia. By International Law we are fully within our Legal Rights to eradicate subversion and treason with extreme prejudice.

    But Britain, Australia and the US cannot seriously complain- we have implicated their armed forces- their SAS and Green Berets in this eradication of treason- with plenty of documentation- so I am sure they would find it most embarrassing to push Indonesia’s patience.

    Don’t like Indonesia?
    Run away to your beloved white Massers in Holland and Britain and puppet Australia.

    _____________________

    Matthew-
    perhaps you should examine exactly who funds these NGO’s. Chase the money trail to BHP.

    Furthermore- you should keep your nose out of where it does not belong- are we Indonesians pushing for more Mabo claims against Australian mines?

    No- so kindly mind you own damn business.

    _____________________

    Oh- I just remember some atypical Western hyocprisies:

    Did the Northern Irish get a present and some cups of cocao for raising the Irish tricolour?

    America National Guardsmen and their hugging of flag-burners?

    Pereus-
    Freedom of Expression?
    Like being monitored by Mi5 for being a member of certain politial parties especially of the radical Left or Right?
    Special Branch infiltration of political movements?

    Australian parliamentary efforts to make the Communist Party illegal?
    Australian reconnaissance via f-111 of Tasmania for surveillance of Green movement under Hawke?

    Oh no- we see the West so full of its’ own verbal diarrhea and moral superiority. How’s that log in your eye?

  8. avatar Andy says:

    Purba, check the year. It is 2008. You are talking about ancient history regarding western countries. The west now has a good record regarding human rights unlike Indonesia. It is high time your country cleaned up it’s act and stopped referring to the past. FREE PAPUA!!

  9. avatar Oigal says:

    “Papua is simply a legitimate part of RI”

    Really? based on what? Old colonial boundries? Enthic connections? Religion? Culture?(Sssh..PN…Let someone else talk for change.)

    Personally I would hate to see Papua seperate as it would just become another failed state requiring continual injections of cash n aid but thats just morally cannot really see Indonesia’s claim..but feel free to educate..

    SRI ..Do try some alternative reading as well rather than the left wing, totally black armband of world..tends to balance things

  10. avatar Cukurungan says:

    Purba, check the year. It is 2008. You are talking about ancient history regarding western countries. The west now has a good record regarding human rights unlike Indonesia. It is high time your country cleaned up it’s act and stopped referring to the past. FREE PAPUA!!

    Friend you are talking big bull s***t , Indonesia like an innocent baby compare to the most western countries, Indonesia do not steal and robber anything belong to other countries to run our economy while the most western countries dump their heavily subsidized farming industry to destroy live hood of hundred million farmer in the third world especially in the African countries. It is the reason why WTO agreement failed again because India, China and Brazil do not want any longer to sacrifice their farmer to the greedy western countries.

    PAPUA is free already but we always guard them not to become an easy prey of bule greedy

  11. avatar purba Negoro says:

    You will note Special Branch continues to infiltrate (and slander) British National Party- despite this party being a legal party in a “democracy”.

    British rule over Northern Ireland has never ended- it continues.

    To all the ignoramus’ and moral onanists:
    Firstly ethnic and cultural legitimacy of claim- Indonesia is a nation of Austronesian AND Melanesians.
    There has been over 1000 years of archeology evidence-supported interaction and intermarriage between Melanesians and Austronesian.
    Furthermore Java has a long history of interaction and trade dating back to before Sriwijaya kingdom with Irian Jaya.
    Furthermore linguistically and culturally much is shared between outer islands and majority Melanesian states such as Ambon, Celebes, Sulawesi, etc.

    Agreements specifically outlining transfer of Irian to Indonesia:
    Round Table Conference was held in the Hague from August 23 – November 2, 1949
    1 November Dutch agree under US duress to cede Western New Guinea
    This is in writing- thus Dutch liars and Australian agitators cannot refute this point.

    Furthermore Dutch never had intention of Irian becoming a nation- it lacked even a Dutch governor. Any “evidence” cooked up to the contrary postdates the actual events.

    Furthermore, Irian is underpopulated with less than 1 million at time of integration and most IRian are simple-minded stone-age savages unable to cope with modern civilisation with a very low rate of reproduction.

    Despite many affirmative action programs, including free tertiary education, Irian seem to refuse education and other betterments.

    In 5 years, Irian will be demographically Austronesian- this is why Westerners are urgently fomenting internal agitation- their window of opportunity is closing.

    New York Agreement of 1962, signed by the Dutch. Indonesia obliged all international obligations inclide:
    which DID NOT DEFINE plebiscite as one man per vote. Furthermore- due to Irian pople being uneducated and widely dispersed in jugles, it was impractical.
    Indonesia fully obeyed all UN stipulations and Irian popularly voted for intergration with Indonesia.

    Allegations of coercion are false as many UN representatives were on hand to observe the vote

    Patriot Wibowo, Commander of KODAM XVII/Cendrawasih oversaw the internal security of Irian which unpopularly deteriorated due to Dutch wrath at losing their coveted oil, timber and copper source.

    Like Maluku traitors- majority Irian agitators reside in Holland.

    Russia and China, both permanent members of UN Security Council have also recently acknowledged the inarguable Indonesian sovereignty over Irian.
    The US will not dare refute our sovereignty as Freeport-McMoran’s actions have been very well documented by our Intel. As has Australian, British, New Zealand and American troop interactions with Irian prisoners.
    I suspect they also do not want hostile relations with Russians or Chinese.

    If there was truly a case for Papuan independence by law- the Dutch would have leapt upon it and challenged in the International Court.

    The fact is there is no legal basis. Irian is irrefutably under International Law, Indonesian.

    The Indonesian military is very keen for Australia to attempt their theft of Timor- this time we will not order our batalions withdraw for Australians to land.

  12. avatar sputjam says:

    Indonesia can follow the aussies and canadians in exterminaing the indigenous population, or do the right thing and set the papuans free. They are culturally distinct from the rest of indonesia.
    Any plans to introduce mass migration of malay stock into papua to exert control will only delay the trouble to later, like the mass migration of catholics into southern phillipines and the han chinese into xinjiang and tibet.
    The wealth of a country does not depend on natural resources, but on the ability of the populace. If the main aim of keeping papua is to exploit its natural resources, all these will be wasted if the population does not have the ability to maximise on the bounties.

  13. avatar tomaculum says:

    Purbo Negoro,
    Like Maluku traitors- majority Irian agitators reside in Holland.
    And why are they in Holland? They escaped because of reprisals. The Maluku traitors live since the Indonesian independence in the Netherlands. Be fair.

    Furthermore, Irian is underpopulated with less than 1 million at time of integration and most IRian are simple-minded stone-age savages unable to cope with modern civilisation with a very low rate of reproduction.
    No comment!

  14. avatar tomaculum says:

    Round Table Conference was held in the Hague from August 23 – November 2, 1949
    1 November Dutch agree under US duress to cede Western New Guinea

    Oops, those “damned” US have done something good for Indonesia the bastion against the west?

  15. avatar Rambutan says:

    most IRian are simple-minded stone-age savages unable to cope with modern civilisation with a very low rate of reproduction.

    See, Purbo, this racist, condescending, and patronising attitude is exactly the reason so many Papuans can’t stand non-Papuan Indonesians and want to be autonomous, if not independent, from Jakarta.

    In 5 years, Irian will be demographically Austronesian

    And this is another one. Papuans fear becoming a minority in their own land.

    Face the facts, the Indonesian government has failed to bring an adequate level of development to Papua and treated the indigenous population like sub-humans for decades. I’m not promoting independence for Papua as it is not a realisitic option and I believe Papua would be off worse if independent, bu it’s time for Jakarta to drop its patronising attitude.

  16. avatar Cukurungan says:

    Oops, those “damned” US have done something good for Indonesia the bastion against the west?

    Friend, please do not forget the rule bule no.1 that there is no free lunch with Bule because always follow bill latter on, in this case Freeport will never enjoy an easy money from there if Papuan is still under Dutch

  17. avatar tomaculum says:

    Many of the members of the Indonesian government are such people like Purbo Negoro and some of them are Javanese like me (what a sh*t) looking down on the eastern races of Indonesia.
    I know a characteristical example: a well known javanese priyayi Anthropologist has given a lecture in UnPad Bandung.
    A student from eastern of Indonesia (NTT) asked something critically, but his question was funded.
    The well known anthropologist “answered”:” Who are you? Where are you coming from? Learn first accurate bahasa Indonesia”. And answer the important question? ……
    Let us be honest. Many of us see the Papuan as apes don’t worth to talk about. We just talk about Papua Barat as a geographical object with huge natural ressources. In connection with Indonesians hegemonial claims is it essential to “protect” West Papua at any cost and at any argumentations, even if these are just howls yearnings of the magnificent glory time of Majapahit.
    Honestly I am for the continuance of West Papua as a part of Republik Indonesia, but we have to start to respect those sisters and brothers living there since tousands of years and see them as Indonesian citizen with the same duties and rights. And let them partake in the richness of their land.

    Furthermore linguistically and culturally much is shared between outer islands and majority Melanesian states such as Ambon, Celebes, Sulawesi, etc.
    A humble question, Purbo Negoro: where do you read this information? I don’t know that in Ambon and Celebes (= nowaday is the official name : Sulawesi? 🙂 ) we can also find Koteka as one of the significant part of the highland culture in Papua.

  18. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    The world under JFK was a very promising one.
    JFK and Robert Kennedy both understood Indonesia’s position well.
    Harold Wilson also persuaded Australian Menzies that Irian may divert Sukarno attention from Singapore and Malaysia.

    Papuans ARE Indonesian- we have Melanesians in Indonesia already. We have similar stone-age regressive culture of Melanesian in Ternate and Maluku- it is identical.

    Cannibalism of Irian also exist in Biak. Irian cannibals admit eating Michael Rockefeller and many Japanese. Asmat are famous for eating human brains- also depicted in their childish art. This is why they have “kuru”- human variant BSE
    From “Dive World”:

    New Guinea offers unparalleled opportunity to witness peoples only recently emerging from the Stone Age with traditions of cannibalism, which some suspect may even still be practised in the remotest areas today. Besides the obvious attraction of being eaten alive, Irian Jaya has plenty of interesting things to do and see for those that manage to survive the headhunters’ cooking pots.”

    From a Papua-phile (http://www.janesoceania.com/papua_home/papuahome.htm):
    “…New Guinea was like a lost world, where stone age tribes once practised cannibalism…”

    Do not be misled by Irian agitator lies or naive Western women academisc infatuated with penis gourds- Irian are all indeed fierce and savage:

    “The Korowai have been practicing cannibalsim up to the present day”- wikipedia

    The Irian routinely accuse one another of being “kua-kua” (witches) and the punishment for being a kua-kua is being eaten- sometimes alive, sometimes not.

    Cannibalism was outlawed on Panpua in 1959 by Australian Bossman because of “kuru”.

    In “Payback” by G. W. Trompf- details cannibalism still common in the mid 1980’s.
    In May 1992
    “Derek, a member of the Dani tribe in Irian Jaya reminisced about the taste of human flesh in an article in the Baltimore Morning Sun:
    “Old ones are tough. Young men and women taste better. And babies taste like fish. The flesh is very soft.”
    from
    http://food.oregonstate.edu/ref/culture/taboo_allen.html

    “Papuan Yali tribe belonged to the most dreaded cannibals of the western part of the New Guinea Island (Irian Jaya)”
    http://www.papuatrekking.com/Yali_Tribe.html

    “Asmat is the most famous cannibalistic tribe on Papua. They would put human skulls under their heads instead of a pillow. They would eat brains of their animals mixed with sago worms straight from their halved skulls”
    http://www.papuatrekking.com/Asmat_cannibals.html

    “1968 two missionaries (Australian Stan Dole and American Phil Masters) were chopped and eaten. During Christmas 1974, four Dutch families were killed and eaten””
    From Indonesian matters.

    Before 1973 the West Miyanmin would divide the year into two seasons – the drier time was the pig hunting season…..the wettest part of the year…was the man hunting season.

    “Korowai hunter armed with specialised arrows for killing birds, fish, reptiles – and humans – searches for the day’s food. ”
    http://www.janesoceania.com/papua_home/papuahome.htm

    This type of person is not ready for either modernity or statehood:
    http://www.janesoceania.com/papua_home/face.jpg
    http://www.geocities.com/hr1975/irian-jaya/day-6-village-lani-3.jpg
    He is simple, like a child, and will be cheated worse than the Papuan slaves of Australia in their Colony of New Guinea.

    It is a Politically Correct Lie to say the Irian are not Savage- they are wild people because they have been isolated and uneducated,

    They are very naive and simple and will take the White on his word- which we know has been well proven to be worthless.

    There are many hundreds of scholarships for Melanesian to study to under-graduate level.
    Irian government is actually run by majority Irian people. So the issue is not Javanese dominance- it is domestic same race politics.

    Irian, Ambonese and Maluku are very simple people easily persuaded by simplistic argument and empty promises of the Dutch.
    South Maluku Republic was instigated by the Dutch to foment trouble to destabilise Indonesia as per Sumatran States of 1957.
    Maluku Republicans caught claim the Dutch promised to fight with them- but like typical Dutch, ran away when gunshot heard.

    Just to prove Indonesia is not a nation of Colonial racists like the Australian, Dutch or others:
    “Most dramatic of all, the Indonesian government even as it signs over large areas to development has carved out an enormous nature reserve system that covered one-sixth of the province – at least on paper. ”
    http://www.janesoceania.com/papua_home/papuahome.htm

    Is one sixth of Papua New Guinea a reserve? No
    1/6 Holland? No
    1/6 Philistine (Australia) no
    1/6 Britain? No.

  19. avatar tomaculum says:

    Friend, please do not forget the rule bule no.1 that there is no free lunch with Bule because always follow bill latter on, in this case Freeport will never enjoy an easy money from there if Papuan is still under Dutch
    Cukurungan,
    allow me as a brown european infected with their arrogance to write here once more a condescending comment about Indonesia: but maybe the dutch would take care more of their (the papuans) rights of education and parttake of their richness? Don’t forgett the rule Indonesian no. 1 and 2: no bill later, take the money immediately for the country (and put 75% of it in my own pocket). As a brown european I accidentaly know that human right matters are very important in the European Union and there is a Commision for it.
    Btw: I like Inul. 🙂

  20. avatar Cukurungan says:

    but maybe the dutch would take care more of their (the papuans) rights of education and parttake of their richness?

    Friend,

    Remember when Ki Hajar Dewantoro create Tamansiswa for Rakyat (education for ordinary people) because too many rakyat was getting smarter hence, Dutch at that time issue what so called “Ordonansi Pendidikan” it mean Dutch would like to shutdown all education for Rakyat ….wake-up brother…. Dutch consider their relation with indigenous people like Human relation with a Cow, of course Human always want to have good and healthier cow… but not for benefit of cow…instead of human want to have a better milk and meat from cow

  21. avatar tomaculum says:

    Cukurungan, Friend,
    thanks for not calling me names. 🙂
    As you wrote above: “…., Dutch at that time issue what so called “Ordonansi Pendidikan” it mean Dutch would like to shutdown all education for Rakyat ….
    Every nation, every body pass any development, in which direction ever.
    And as far as I know, for the current Netherlands as a member of the EU is human right very important. So maybe we should stop just yelling “Bule is bad, bule is evil”, but let us watch and judge sophisticated/differentiated. The same I hear in Europe, many people see Islam as a violent religion etc, etc. Such recriminations won’t solve the problem, it will generate more hate and mistruss.
    I postulate off course that anyone wants a solving and understanding. 🙂

    Dutch consider their relation with indigenous people like Human relation with a Cow, of course Human always want to have good and healthier cow… but not for benefit of cow…instead of human want to have a better milk and meat from cow
    And how is the realtion between the Indonesian gov. and the papuan brothers?

  22. avatar PrimaryDrive says:

    Me: “Papua is simply a legitimate part of RI”

    Oigal: Really? based on what? Old colonial boundries? Enthic connections? Religion? Culture?
    …. just morally cannot really see Indonesia’s claim..but feel free to educate..

    What kind of question is that?? RI teritorial border as is (note that I say: “as is”) has been declared for half a century. There is no single nation in the world that dispute that, except for some minor details; that’s all the argument that I need. Along your point of view you can just as well declare all formal borders of all nations to be void, but I doubt that’s a useful point of view.

  23. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    Irian ethnic politician are famous for being far wealthier than their Jakartan counterparts- one even has his own private jet.

    But as an outsider looking in through your Dutch peep-hole, you would have no idea

    They have been getting money from Freeport and Leightons for years.
    Have you ever been to Jayapura?
    It is a much nicer city than Solo!
    It has very good university Universitas Cendrawasih- run by Catholics and Protestants.
    The politicians’ houses are bigger than in inner Jakarta like Permata Hijau, Brawijaya etc
    What ethnciity? Irian.

    Every Jakarta politician want such a plum position such as Irian- happy to move.
    Where else aside from Kalimantan can one be such a Raja Cilik?

    So- if you want to talk about corruption and repression in Irian- why do you not ask the Irian ethnic politicians about it first?
    They already have full budgetary autonomy- so ask the Irian how much their ruby rings the size of grapes cost?

  24. avatar Matthew says:

    Wow! I guess my post provoked a lot of responses – I could only answer some of the charges and claims –

    Aboriginal autonomy and independence – note here, I have been an activist for land rights for aboriginal people, and every Royal Commission, Parliamentary inquiry and consistent opinion polls show many people support land rights for aboriginal people. But do land rights mean that they take away our homes? Of course not. The leading Aboriginal activists have always been pointing out that’s the exact opposite of what they want, which is mostly a bit more royalties and a say on development upon their soil.

    Even in South Africa, they tried to use Australia as a example of why we should ignore human rights – it may have been damn embarrasing, but two wrongs don’t make a thing right.

    “Papuans are poorly educated” – this reminds me of the Dutch excuses for not allowing Indo. independence, or the old British opposition to irish Home Rule. Actually, a friend of mine who works in West Papua, says many poor people living in shacks beside the world’s largest Gold mine, are surprisingly well educated.

    Now I must admit, the OPM has troublemakers. But then so have the Indonesian forces in the region. Armed bodies of men have troublemakers. Wars are not nice. We should try to avoid them where possible.

    Finally, I agree with Andy in his earlier comment – one can always play a nationalist game of “ancient history” but the truth is West Papua is a hell-hole in the here and now, and a vote for independence would do much to ease that tension and armed clashes into the future.

    Look at Aceh – a bit different I know, but nonetheless peace is possible even where a few years ago most would have seen it as extremely unlikely.

    Indonesia has it’s fair share of nationalism – we saw the ugly side of Asian nationalism in Cambodia and Malaysia. They often promise a “new India” – like the BJP, but because of their intransigent position they do exactly the same as the White colonisers do, because might is right and nobody should stand in the way of “development”, bugger the cost!

    That is the danger that Indonesia faces. The resources of Papua or the future of it’s own soldiers getting killed or injured and continual embarrassments like the US Congress letter.

  25. avatar anonym says:

    Indonesia does not face any trouble with regards to law and order, and there is no separatist insurgency to speak of in Papua. Indonesian govt is sitting quite comfortably with regards to administering Papua.

    Indonesia basically will continue to crush and persecute any separatists with intentions to dismember the Republic, only tolerating them after they surrender their separatism and illegal weapons, such as the GAM.

  26. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    MAtthew-
    there is no embarrassment for Indonesia.
    We have acted well within Indonesian and International Law.

    The embarrassment is for Australian and Dutch cowardly using naive NGO to engineer unpopular separatist claims for mineral exploitation for benefit of their mining elites.

    Peace in Aceh only possible after Tsunami wipe out most trouble makers.
    Indonesia does not interfere with internal politics of neighbouring “supposed allies”.

    Australia does and seeks expansion of Papua New Guinea colony.

  27. avatar Matthew says:

    Re: “Indonesian govt is sitting quite comfortably with regards to administering Papua.”

    Yes, that’s what Australia’s foreign minister said on board a jet plane clinking champagne corks back in the days when Benny Murdani was the foreign minister, a person who machine-gunned innocent people in Timor during the illegal 1975 annexation – every bit as illegal as Sukarno’s paratroopers landing in West Papua as colonisers to replace the Dutch.

    “There is no Fretilin, it’s a few rebels in the hills” etc. “It’s not really happening”. Science says when light strikes the retina, it gives rise to the sensation of sight. Perhaps that’s what a former ABC journalist can remember of the 2% of West Papuans who voted in the sham “Act Of No Choice” referendum that supposedly gave West Papua over to the new colonial gentry of Suharto and a small elite.

    You keep on saying things like “Australian” colonisers! But I keep on saying – Indonesian colonisers. But who colonises? Myself – a middle-aged Aussie battler struggling to pay off a mortgage, or the Suharto elite here in Australia who run BHP etc.

    Under US law, it is mandatory for the State Department to run annual human rights checks on all countries – Indonesia, Australia, Ireland, Pakistan etc.. Have a read of what the annual reports have to say about West Papua – poisonings, pollution, rape, BRIMOB bashings, false imprisonment, jokes about how uneducated the natives of Papua are?

    Now that is embarrassing – once again, ASIAN NATIONALISM rears it’s ugly head, denying the morally obvious.

    “It’s not really happening” – you see it is happening. Read the TAPOL website – they can see it happening. They are Indos. They are independent.

    Anyway I think I have exhausted this thread. Good luck for human rights in Indonesia and of course, West Papua! PAPUA MERDEKA!

  28. avatar Berlian Biru says:

    “British rule over Northern Ireland has never ended- it continues.”

    Because that is the clearly expressed democratic wish of the majority of people in Northern Ireland.

    Just for the record it is perfectly legal to fly the flag of the Irish Republic in Northern Ireland.

  29. avatar Purba Negoro says:

    NOw- post Clinton interference.

    Unlike you, I carried a gun as a soldier, and I visited Northern Ireland on a visit to Thales and Martin-Baker.

    Don’t bullsh!t a career bastard, we know much better and far more than you- we’re simply not allowed to say.

    Matthew:
    Stop reading your NGO-Socialist Workers’ Party bullsh*t.
    Pak Murdani did not machine Timorese- this is a lie.
    Pak Murdani is not guilty of killing anyone- and I can find hundreds of RELIABLE, HONEST eye witnesses who were there to testify.

    Indonesia has no interest in BHP- you will find if anything- it is owned majority by Rothschild’s via Lundin.

    US Law is not observed in Indonesia- we choose our own and refuse to kneel before Murders of Millions like the US- unlike Ostraya we are not a colonial outpost of morals-on-demand bed-wetters.

    Australian reporters- whisky addled syphilitics. Funny how they miss the connection between ethnic Irian politicians running Irian as their own fiefdom or how Ostrayan companis are actually the ones in violation of Indoensian Environmental Law- then use Australian diplomatic leverage of Aaid to subvert our legal systems.

    But then- that’s a tad too complex for the Ostrayan to fathom- his (well documented and photographed- along with Irian “trophies” taken by your and UK’s “finest’ soldiers) complicity in this alleged mess

    How is your Ostrayan complicity in Halliburton’s Oil Robbery sitting- 600,000 dead and counting?

    AS for Tapols- Dutch website. How coincidental. Most of its’ in that gutter-language Dutch- which I am not fluent in.

    But an opinionated yet ignorant Ostrayan such as yourself is too misinformed and emotive to realise such names:
    as Rosa Damayanti
    Harini Asmu
    Ibu (Mrs) Harlinah,
    Ir. Iskandar,
    Abdul Latief, Antonius Pudji Rahardjo, Hasan Raid, Sam, Suljana, Ibu Sulami, Supratig are extremely common.

    Abdul Latief? he’s my orthodontist at RS Pondok Indah. How can he be a poltical prisoner if he took out myu sons’ wisdom teeth last week?
    Antonius Rahardjo- probaly 4000 in Central Java with that exact name
    Ibu Sulami Mrs Sulami? is this a joke?
    Sam?
    Hasan Raid?
    Supatrig?- do you realise just how commn this name is- like Jim.

    Not convincing- and neither are the rest of those transparently Ostrayan-US funded NGO agent provocateurs.

    A condition of banks operating in Indonesia is they must disclose ALL transactions.
    Our Intel are not like ASIO and not earn their money shuffling papers and re-writing CIA sitcoms-documents

    It’s amazing where the money trails end- and whose addresses are involved.

  30. avatar Oigal says:

    Unlike you, I carried a gun as a soldier

    We find that hard to believe as PN is incapable of carrying a rational conversation let alone a gun

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