FPI Murder Incitement Video

May 2nd, 2008, in IM Posts, by

FPI Video of "firebrand" FPI/Front Pembela Islam preacher Ahmad Sobri Lubis advocating murder.

The speech about the Ahmadiyah sect given by Ahmad Sobri Lubis to a gathering of the Islam Defenders' Front/Front Pembela Islam (FPI) in which he makes several incitements to murder.


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  1. avatar tomaculum says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    In other “less” civilized states (a. e. in Europe, where “barbarian” people live) such call to kill others would be strictly persecuted.
    But Indonesia seems to be more and more developed to be a lawless country.
    Such groups like FPI, such people like the orator in this video can freely speak out whatever they want. Democracy? In Indonesia? I would laugh if it isn’t a serious matter.
    Why can they do it?
    Because the persons in the government or police responsible for executing the “earthen” law are either the same opinion with them or they are afraid of their (FPI’s) threat.
    It amuses me again and again to watch their dress code. It is like watching wayang orang, it sounds like Pandita Durna talking to Kaum Kurawa. :)

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  3. avatar sputjam says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    What reason do these people have to hear a religious imam? God give them thoughts, so they can differentiate between good and bad. This priest is like clinton, whereby they earn money by making speeches and giving talks. By not going to the sermon, the imam will be forced to retire and do proper productive work instead.
    Muslims are wasting their time in mosque and listening to wasteful speeches and sermons.
    The best amongst mankind are the doers of good deeds and the righteous. Not those who spend time doing wasteful rituals.
    Good and rightous deeds are clearly defined in the koran. None states that you need a priests to guide you, nor maximise the number of worship rituals you require to perform.

  4. avatar adrey says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    FPI should go to hell by murdering any Indonesians!

  5. avatar Deng Xiao Ping says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    jij … we must block this FPI video, similar to the Indonesian reaction against Greet Wilders’ anti Islam video ….
    Indonesia is a peaceful & full of tollerant country with the highest diversity & respect to multi-culturalism

  6. avatar Jakarta (H5N1, skulls, sex, demonstrasi, religion, politics) « Jakarta - Indonesia - Urbanblog says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    [...] At this point I think it would be proper to end with something from Jakartass regarding the increasingly volatile situation with Ahmadiyah.  But first one might want to weight the words below after checking  this link to Indonesian Matters. [...]

  7. avatar Andrew says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    LOL – looks like you can do and say anything in Indonesia – even if that means insulting and threatening fellow muslims – as long as you say “I do it for Islam”.

    I sometimes wonder the difference between these maggots and PKI…
    I know, that’s an insult… to PKI.

  8. avatar Mach Jabber says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Please, shut these guys up. Everyone; Indonesians, bules, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, businesspersons, housewives, students, Manchester United fans, Chelsea fans, Arsenal fans, *everyone* is fed up with them.

  9. avatar timdog says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Had you noticed the way that Lubis doesn’t perform like an imam – he has clearly been heavily influenced by TV chatshow hosts and comedians in the way he carries himself, the way he moves and works the crowd, the way he delivers the “funnies”… he reminds me of Tukul! I’m serious, he really does – only more laughable – and less funny…

  10. avatar David says:
    May 2nd, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    He struck me in the video as a preposterous fool, only vaguely threatening, even his “Allahu Akbar”s were unconvincing. In the right mouth “Allahu Akbar” can be blood curdling, because then it doesn’t really mean “God is Great/er”, it means “we are great”. He ought to take some lessons from that Iraqi fellow here. Or yes just go the Tukul comedian route.

  11. avatar sputjam says:
    May 3rd, 2008 at 6:57 am

    God, The Judge, the Merciful, the Almighty, are some of the terms used in the koranic text to describe God.
    Allahu akbar was never mentioned in the koran. How it got to be used so widely is a mystery.

  12. avatar Mach Jabber says:
    May 3rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    I’m serious, he really does – only more laughable – and less funny…

    Very much less. I winced at his “holol” gag at 2:18. :lol:

  13. avatar Rob says:
    May 4th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Killing in the name of religion…I have always been taught that God is a God of peace, love, harmony, and respect, but not a God of hate and venegance…How wrong it seems my lessons have been!

    I am sure I read some where that Islam was a religion of tolerance and peace…I guess I must have been reading the wrong book when I should have been watching the clip attached to this entry to get my education on these important matters!

  14. avatar Rob says:
    May 4th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    The Tukul analogy here is scary in itself because there is no humor in this clip (and any attempt at it is poor at best). Further, the clip is just not funny either…

    There are some interesting issues that the government seems to have been particularly silent on such as the incitement to violence, the incitement to murder, the incitement to rail against law and order…the response against Geert Wilders film was swift albeit mere lip service to an idea of banning the video…I wonder is the government’s silence here tantamount to acceptance of the FPI’s call to violence?

    If it is not then the government must act decisively to ensure that no violence is perpetrated against the followers of the Ahmadiyya sect. Violence begets more violence and an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!

    If the government’s position is that the sect is dangerous then the government must make that position clear and the reasons for the assessment public. Yet, there needs to be consistency when evaluating whether a belief system is a religion or a sect! Let’s face it if the word of God as lived through the Ministry of Jesus is Catholicism then all other Christian religions are in effect sects, and perhaps dangerous sects in terms of the true message of God as relayed through Jesus.

    But that is an assumption because after all Jesus was King of the Jews, and the Jews have been subject to the wroth of God every since their betrayal and complicity in the murder of Jesus (although this did conveniently fulfill the prophecies of the scriptures).

    The point is where to we draw the line in the sand and who is to make these determinations regarding sects, their teachings, and the danger factor to the greater community; those with a vested interest in the outcome?

    The call to violence and murder is wrong! Muslims should renounce this call! Before you get to the jumping up and down mode, I would say (and write) the same thing for any religion that uses violence to achieve an outcome! Pre-emptive assassinations and murders orchestrated by Israel are also wrong and Israelis’ should also come out against those that promote this as an effective way to counter violence.

    Am I soft? No, but I genuinely believe in peace and harmony! I want my child to live in a world that is at peace. Do I accept that there are vested interests who profit from war and conflict, yes! But that does not mean that people should lose hope and not dream of a better world.

  15. avatar Hitam Tapi Cina says:
    May 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    It is sad but also amusing.
    This video is a wakeup call for all moderate people, whatever their religion are especially in Indonesia, to setup a litigation case or a class action for those who call upon others to act violently against others e.g. FPI, Bashir.

    Another sad thing is that violence in Indonesia will only harm Indonesia’s economy which mean you will all suffer more economically in these difficult time.

  16. avatar Farah says:
    May 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    ….its pathetic killing in the name of a certain religion, they just some phsyco try to made their sadistic killing “hobbies” is the true way, and sound scarily good.
    Even in a moslem war where you could kill someone, there’s rules (e.g not to kill children or woman). They just bunch of sick people.

  17. avatar On Ahmadiyah says:
    May 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

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  19. avatar fahri says:
    May 4th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    In the interest of objectivity, we have to notice that he qualify his statement by:
    “If/when the government is based on Islam..”
    Islamic law does have some harsh rules against heresy.

  20. avatar Tony says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Where is Soeharto when you need him?? He would have had Prabowo “erase” these idiots from the planet. These morons are the last thing Indonesia needs right now.

  21. avatar Big White Infidel says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    I think it’s pretty obvious what the Indonesian government’s stance is towards groups like FPI, MMI, Hizbut Tahrir, Laskar Jihad in Papua and the like. The lack of punishment for groups like this, Jusuf Kalla’s interview in AKI Adnkronos stating that there is no Jemaah Islamiyah, etc. shows that moderate and liberal Islam along with the infidels are sh*t out of luck as far as protection goes against these terrorists. For whatever reason, the government supports or sides with these idiots, or something would be done already. I agree with Tony, as much as I hated Soeharto, he would have made these terrorists disappear.

    The Islamification of Indonesia is under way and the government, which is supposedly moderate, is doing nothing to stop it. Pancasila is being undermined by Shariah at local levels and soon at provincial levels (Aceh already, Jawa Barat next?). Unless these groups are stopped and the anti-Pancasila government members are outed and dealt with, this country we live in is truly about to go to hell in a handbasket.

    Patung, I can’t see the video (not that I need to to know what was said).

  22. avatar therry says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    I regret watching that clip – on top of all the personal problems that I have now I have to worry that these people actually exist and that there are people who listen to idiots like Ahmad Sobri Lubis.

    What with all the killing urgencies he keeps repeating to his audience, I can’t shake off the thought that FPI is actually the one who did the unthinkable crimes back in May 98.

    Why? Because they have the same sick mentality and depravity that reflects to everything they say and do. “Kill! Demonstration! It’s okay to kill! Kill everyone!”

    I mean what kind of sick f*cks would say stuff like that out loud and actually urge others to do the same? That’s the same heartless people who raped 14 years old girl day in day out in front of their own families.

    Someone should eliminate FPI. Let’s all gather some money and hire the best snipers to kill this guys.

  23. avatar therry says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    I regret watching that clip – on top of all the personal problems that I have now I have to worry that these people actually exist and that there are people who listen to idiots like Ahmad Sobri Lubis.

    What with all the killing urgencies he keeps repeating to his audience, I can’t shake off the thought that FPI is actually the one who did the unthinkable crimes back in May 98.

    Why? Because they have the same sick mentality and depravity that reflects to everything they say and do. “Kill! Demonstration! It’s okay to kill! Kill everyone!”

    I mean what kind of sick f*cks would say stuff like that out loud and actually urge others to do the same? That’s the same heartless people who raped 14 years old girl day in day out in front of their own families.

    Someone should eliminate FPI. Let’s all gather some money and hire the best snipers to kill these guys.

  24. avatar violet says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    I can not see the video either.

  25. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Patung said

    In the right mouth “Allahu Akbar” can be blood curdling, because then it doesn’t really mean “God is Great/er”, it means “we are great”.

    Something to think about seriously and elaborate, even devote an entire topic to it.

  26. avatar David says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    For those who can’t see the video, try directly at youtube – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4

  27. avatar Yadi says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 6:26 am

    May be we should look at ourselves and the way we are behaving before we start killing and persercuting others then once we are perfect then we can start to comment. …….I say……………
    “live and let live” unless they(almadiyah) start killing and persercuting others. “hello it is meant to be a free country now”

  28. avatar Janma says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    “hello it is meant to be a free country now”

    ..I think that ‘freedom’ is variously misinterpreted by people. For example FPI now feels free to do their thing, as do the FBR and other radical groups. My mother in law told me that in 1945 when the shout ‘Merdeka!’ went up, she was only a kid but she remembers that everyone just went beserk, started looting chinese stores, burining buildings and generally running amok. To many that was freedom, problem is if you are the store owner being burnt up with your store freedom can be a pain in the neck.

  29. avatar Purba Negoro says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Janma-

    The French hanged their Collaborators- why can’t we dispose of ours?

    Why did these Rakyat burn the stores?
    Collaboration?
    Informing?
    Price gouging?
    Hoarding?
    Predatory usuary?
    Clannism?

    Pramoedya Ananta Toer:

    “With the arrival of the Japanese just about everyone was full of hope, except for those who had worked in the service of the Dutch.”

    Finally you are revealed to be enemy of the Rakyat.

    Your agenda of slandering Indonesia is very clear.

    My father was a PETA pemuda, and a very fierce enforcer of kedaulatan rakyat.

    Do just deserts taste bitter?

  30. avatar Lairedion says:
    May 6th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    Purba Negoro said:

    The French hanged their Collaborators- why can’t we dispose of ours

    Good idea. This way we can get rid of our Sundanese/Javanese royal courts who were quick to prostitute themselves to the VOC and its successor the Dutch State at the expense of the local have-nots.

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