Curing Homosexuality

Apr 2nd, 2008, in Opinion, by

The hardline stand taken by Indonesian clerics against homosexuality wins applause from Ross.

A welcome display of solidarity between established Islamic, Catholic, and Protestant faiths appeared in the Jakarta Post with statements from leaders disassociating themselves from the fringe elements who declared that perversion is acceptable to their followers.

Ma'aruf Amin, chairman of the Fatwa Commission at the Indonesia Ulema Council (MUI), said

It's a curable disorder. There have been many cases where homosexuals have realized what they did was wrong and became heterosexuals again. It's something that can be fought off.

Benny Susetyo of the Indonesian Bishops Council said:

According to official church documents, we weren't born with sexual disorders. The church regards homosexual behavior as a psychological disorder that is curable.

A few days ago some nonsense was published in another JP report saying that homosexuality was a human condition and thus should be treated as bestown by God.

Similarly, leprosy should be treated as God-given and no cure sought? Kleptomaniacs should be allowed to steal and not given remedial attention by authorities?

Anyone who does anything nasty or unpleasant or downright revolting, as homosexuals like to do, can say that's the way God - or Nature - made them. So we should turn a blind eye and let them get on with it?

Come on, let's hear it for the ustads (Muslim clerics) when they get it right for once. Disorders can be cured, and children protected. Until the West wakes up and recriminalises homosexuality, expats should at least applaud Indonesians who take a stand for decency.


81 Comments on “Curing Homosexuality”

  1. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    Thanks, Ross. Just what I needed to cure the illusion of you being fair-minded. Gloves will be off, you ignorant, bigoted fascist.

  2. avatar rima says:

    People who think homosexuality is a ‘curable disease’ should have a neuro surgeon perform surgery on their discriminative, narrow minded, bigoted, ignorant brains so that they can also be cured.

  3. avatar Janma says:

    Let me at him!!!!!! C’mon Achmad! Do us proud!!!!
    Janma
    *sheeshing*

  4. I wonder how they would cure it? Throwing zam-zam and holy water at them? Force them to engage sex with opposite sex? It’s all bollocks.

  5. avatar Lairedion says:

    A fine display of religious solidarity.

    The common ground in Islam and Christianity is indeed hatred, bigotry and hypocrisy. Homosexuality is haram and pedophilia is OK (Muhammad with Aisha, numerous priests and ministers raping and abusing children without proper action from church authorities).

  6. avatar djoko says:

    A few days ago some nonsense was published in another JP report saying that homosexuality was a human condition and thus should be treated as bestown by God.

    The common ground in Islam and Christianity is indeed hatred, bigotry and hypocrisy.

    Its worth pointing out that the person who made the argument mentioned by Ross was a Muslim.

  7. avatar djoko says:

    and also so as not to take one religion’s side or the other, in the same piece it said that the Catholic Church’s practical policy with regards to homosexuality is generally to turn a blind eye to it.

  8. avatar Robert says:

    According to official church documents, we weren’t born with sexual disorders. The church regards homosexual behavior as a psychological disorder that is curable

    These documents, are those the same that state the sun is revolving around the earth?

    Anyway, when the Catholic Church has a cure, they can starting using it on their own priests first, especialy those in the monasteries.
    The next desease that needs curing is paedophilia, in the last decades thousands of children have been abused by catholic priests all over the world.
    It is logical that the Catholic church takes such a strong stand against perversion, after all it takes a pervert to know a pervert.

  9. avatar Rob says:

    Oh so simple, I am sure most of you can visualize it yourselves…

    Gay and lesbian people in their droves heading off to the local doctor! And the conversation goes something like this (lesbian in this conversation):

    The lesbian…”Doc, I got me this disease, I am a lesbian!”
    The Doc…”No worries, it’s not fatal and it’s curable!”
    The lesbian…”Great! What do I have to do?”
    The Doc…”Simple, my friend, I will write you a prescription for this new anti lesbian pill!”
    The lesbian…”So, it’s that easy?”
    The Doc…”Yeah, just pop these pills for the next two weeks, enrol yourself in some therapy, and you will be as good as gold in no time!”
    The lesbian…”So this disease, it’s just like the flu and curable with some medication!”

    The last time this argument did the rounds homosexuality and lesbianism was not a disease but rather a learned behaviour that could be modified with proper psychological interventions. If you need any info on this you can visit the Truth Ministry which can be found at http://www.truthministry.org/.

    While we are deciding to cure the world of all that ails it we should probably address the diseases of hatred, bigotory, racism, sexism, and any other negative -isms out there! To suggest that all of the world’s ills are the result of homosexuality far overstates the influence that homosexuality has ever had or will ever have on the world.

    The idea that it is a disease is an interesting one. How does one catch homosexuality or lesbianism? Is it contagious? If I am in close proximity to a gay or lesbian person can I catch it from particles in the air? I guess only men catch the gay disease and women catch the lesbian disease or can men catch the lesbian disease and women the gay disease? Sorry, but I have to make the point that gay and lesbianism as a disease is the stupiest thing I have ever f*cking heard and it bores the crap out of me that this gets trotted out in a seasonal manner just like the other argument we just concluded about albino folks.

    Reminds me of that other level-headed upstanding fella Ahmadinejad who has recentlyproclained there are no homosexuals in Iran…Ross, rather than applaud the cut and paste a few pieces from The Jakarta Post why don’t you interview Ahmadinejad and find out how he cured homosexuality in Iran! And enlighten us all…

    I will leave the insults to Achmad because he needs the practice leading into the insult fest that he is about to enter into…

    Time to get a life and focus on our own behaviours rather than worry about what other consenting adults are doing behind the closed doors of their own homes.

  10. avatar treespotter says:

    LOLOLOLOL, can i just laugh out loud and roll on the floor and go laugh out loud?

    back later when i stopped laughing.

  11. avatar rima says:

    rob, there are no homosexuals in iran because the iranian homosexuals have applied for political asylum in other countries, and those who do not or cannot leave their countries have opted for transsexual operation instead. apparently while homosexuality is punishable by death in iran, those who have sex-change operation are spared from the punishment and are accepted in the society.

    one could say that homosexuality is a learned behaviour, but i know and have lived with some people (some of them are in my family circle) that was simply born that way. they did not choose it, but they cannot escape it, either. some tried many things that supposedly can cure their ‘disease’ to no avail. human are born as either hetero or homosexual. period. (and nothing is wrong with either)

  12. avatar timdog says:

    An interesting aside – in Iran, while homosexuality is considered sinful, transexuality is considered a cureable medical disorder – a senior cleric issued a fatwa to say so… and the cure, rather than involving pills, whips or stones, is – wait for it – a sex change! Both men and women can have the operation, have the right to change their gender on their birth certificates, and can even get state funding for the treatment. In fact, Iran is considered to be at the cutting edge of gender-correction surgery, and in terms of volume is second only to Thailand…

    This does all sound like a remarkable instance of extreme progressiveness in a country with a far from progressive government, and indeed it is… However, I saw a very interesting documentary about the subject recently, and something was very apparent. The attitude towards transgender people in Iran might be progressive, but the attitude towards homosexuals is anything but, and as a consequence, the impression I got was that many people who were not actually transgender, but just plain ol’ homosexual were attracted to the operations, seeing them as a way to live as they chose… of course, if you’re not actually transexual, having a sex change sure as hell ain’t gonna make you feel better, and some of the people featured in the documentary were trully tragic individuals… Iran may well be at the cutting edge of the actual physical process of gender-reassignment, but the pre-op psychological assessment was obviously somehwhat cursory… interesting stuff though….

    ***

    Ross said:
    Anyone who does anything nasty or unpleasant or downright revolting, as homosexuals like to do, can say that’s the way God – or Nature – made them. So we should turn a blind eye and let them get on with it?

    I mentioned elsewhere that I am a mindreading mystic from Madura, and by exercising the same powers that allow me to know that Achmad is from neither Probolinggo or Purbalingga, nor from Bongo-Bongoland, I can tell that as he typed this Ross had a big fat grin on his face and was engaging in a piece of trolling of mighty proportions – and what a lot of fish he’s caught… 😉

  13. avatar Oigal says:

    Laugh, the evil reds and homos..RIP VAN WINKLE has awoken…

    Although must be tough coming to grips with the fact that our authors hero J Edgar Hoover was a raging Queen..

    The mere fact that the lunatic fringe of religion is supporting you Ross should be a clue you are on the wrong bus for humans.

  14. avatar Oigal says:

    the Catholic Church’s practical policy with regards to homosexuality is generally to turn a blind eye to it.

    The Catholic church has been turing a blind eye to evil for generations, from the excesses of the crusades, witch trials, holocaust, pedo priests, nazis….

  15. avatar Rob says:

    Timdog…

    This presupposes that Ross is playing some kind of devil advocate role and does not truly believe what has been written…Mystic or not, being this generous to Ross undermines just about everything he has written as nothing more than a fishing expedition to catch unsuspecting fish!

    I figured Ross had opinions he believed in but I am glad that I now no longer have to worry that he believes in the writings that are published in his name but is rather a bloke with nothing better to do than bait others!

    Achmad…there is no need to have the insult fest because it is clear that Ross is not into writing what he believes or at least this is what Timdog wants us to believe…

  16. avatar Rambutan says:

    Similarly, leprosy should be treated as God-given and no cure sought? Kleptomaniacs should be allowed to steal and not given remedial attention by authorities?

    I don’t know if I should laugh or cry. Ross, I hope your son/daughter will turn out gay.

  17. avatar sputjam says:

    In thailand, sex-chnage is normal i.e. from men to women.
    In malaysia, many male undergraduates walk funny, as commented by a women minister.

    if you study the reason, it is so simple. male Thais do monkhoods in their teens. male malays are forced into religious boarding school when young. What ever horrors they face in these institution, one can only guess.

    homosexuality goes against nature. If homosexual marriages are allowed, these couples should not be allowed to adopt children.

    Youngsters are easily molested by their masters in boarding schools. so make sure you care for your child and not let them be at the mercy of paedophiles.

  18. avatar timdog says:

    sputjam, you have completely confused two utterly distinct issues – paedophilia, specifically paedophilia in single-sex institutions, and homosexuality… Certainly, paedophilia is a problem in single-sex religious educational institutions of all kinds, and in non-religious single-sex schools for that matter… fine, agreed…
    But then you drop in the incongruous line about “homosexuality going against nature” and what the hell’s that got to do with anything?
    I am heterosexual; I find women attractive, but I’m sure you’ll understand that I have no interest in molesting female children, and find the idea abhorrent…
    In the same way your average homosexual would feel exactly the same about abusing small boys.
    Separate issues my friend, separate issues…

    Rob, whether or not Ross is a fan of the gays is not the point… The whole piece has an unmistakably tone of ill-concealed smirking glee in anticipation of the carnage that will ensue… we absolutely still need the insult match…

  19. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:

    @ All

    There’s low class and high class trolling. My trolling always served a higher purpose. Picking on gays is just thuggery.

  20. avatar Lairedion says:

    Sputjam,

    Here’s a solution that’ll suit your self-invented kind of Islam.

    Gay (male) couples are only allowed to adopt girls. Lesbian couples are only allowed to adopt boys. The children are safe then.

  21. avatar tomaculum says:

    Rima,
    People who think homosexuality is a ‘curable disease’ should have a neuro surgeon perform surgery on their discriminative, narrow minded, bigoted, ignorant brains…..
    What brains?

    lairedion:
    do you really thing that every gay would f…k every male and every lesbian would l…k every c…t even such of children?

    sputjam:
    homosexuality goes against nature. If homosexual marriages are allowed, these couples should not be allowed to adopt children.
    Really? Against nature? Maybe you can explain it?
    Usually rapes of children are done by heteros, so cut their dicks and clits?
    Btw: phaedophilia and hmosexuality are two different “cases”, aren’t they?

    Religion and religiosity are curable disorders.
    But you can’t transplant a brain. 🙂

    Rambutan,
    I think Ross mean it sarcastic.

  22. avatar Ross says:

    Ah, we meet again, Achmad. Just when it was getting quite civilised, back we go to daggers drawn.
    I found it laughable that Siti Musdah Mulia of the Indonesian COnference of Religion and
    Peace could assert that there is ‘no difference between’ lesbians and non-lesbians. Of
    course there is. Non-lesbians don’t fancy other girls, while lesbians do. They are out of
    sync with the natural order of things. It’s us blokes who are designed to fancy girls.
    Indonesians, Muslim and Christian understand this. Western establishments, more often than not, don’t. One reason, surely, why the West is likely to go down the tube.
    It is self-evident that queers are not normal. If ‘same-sex’ attraction were normal,
    humanity would have died out thousands of years ago. Some fag wrote in the J.P. on 2nd April that “I exist and that is proof that I am natural.” I’m sure Charles Manson and our local cannibal Sumanto could have said the same about what they did in their hey-day.
    Natural- come on! They existed as frightful freaks of nature.
    I never understand why ordinary lefties are so soft on pervs. While I disagree with much of collectivist economics, I can understand the humanitarian instincts which lead folk into error, and am prepared to listen to arguments against capital punishment, since people I like and respect hold abolitionist views.
    But there is no good reason why a socialist should feel obliged to endorse the current wave of deviant triumphalism that is washing over what used to be called Christendom. ‘Gay adoption,’ the handing over of innocent children to sodomites, is outrageous. Socialists, who purport to be defenders of the helpless, ought to be out there denouncing it.
    It is, I suppose, knee-jerk obeisance to the cultural marxist enthusiasm for anything
    which drags Western civilisation downhill; certainly the way British police, for instance,
    have been transformed into a kind of ‘gay gestapo,’ hounding critics of perversion, and
    the way Canadian pervs, through the kangaroo courts known as ‘rights tribunals,’ have been busily persecuting people who speak up for traditional values, indicates that the
    decadents’ push for power is well-organised.
    Here’s a quote from one of the footnotes to one of my novels, which may (or may not!)give you food for thought. It refers to the efforts of a decent, responsible educator named Chris Kempling, who is currently facing exclusion from his career simply for warning the community of the dangers of deviancy. He is much more kindly towards his enemies than I would be, but he is a practising Christian who takes his religion very sreriously.

    Report to Members of the B.C. College of Teachers. The issues from 1990-1996 were examined

    with permission by the author in October 1997. In this period 54 teachers were disciplined

    for sexual misconduct with children. For female teachers, four were disciplined: three

    were same sex incidents, while the gender of the fourth victim was not identified. For

    male teachers, 33 were heterosexual offenses, 13 were homosexual, and four were not

    identified. Thus, out of a total of 49 cases where the gender of the victim was

    identified, 16 were same sex offenses (33%), or approximately 15 times their incidence in

    the general population (using Laumann, 1994 for incidence data). This data is further

    supported by two studies of adult sex offenders, Freund et al, 1984; Freund & Watson,

    Spring 1992). In the 1984 study, Freund, a psychiatrist at the Clarke Institute of

    Psychiatry in Toronto, found that the pedophilic predilection was more likely to be found

    in those of homosexual orientation, and that they had the highest rate of recidivism.

    Freund examined the offense records of 457 sex offenders in his second study. It showed

    that the proportional prevalence of homosexual offenders was 36% (13 times their incidence

    in the population). Other researchers have noted that 23% of gay men and 6% of lesbians

    admitted to sexual interaction with youth under the age of 16, when the respondent was

    aged 20 or older (Jay and Young, 1979). Abel et al (1987), in an intriguing and original

    study of non-incarcerated sex offenders, found that male pedophiles admitted to an

    astonishing average of 150.2 victims. The figure for heterosexual pedophiles was 19.8

    There is plenty more evidence. I have to say that my call for recriminalisation is not
    aimed at packing the prisons with queers. That would indeed be ‘cruel and unusual
    punishment’ for all the poor normal convicts. Instead I’d hope that reinstating societal
    disapproval in such a way would encourage the sad things (‘gay’ is a terrible misnomer) to seek treatment. After all, cases like Svend Robinson, the Canadian socialist politician
    who lived a perfectly normal life until he suddenly declared himself a queer, obviously
    point to the possibility of change in the opposite direction.

    Enough for now, but Oigal, you are just repeating a smear against Hoover- there was never any evidence he was a fag. It suited reds to attack his reputation, since he was getting the better of them.

  23. avatar Lairedion says:

    tomaculum,

    Relax. I was just playing with Sputjam’s idiocy.

  24. avatar tomaculum says:

    Sorry, Lairedion. 🙂

  25. avatar Lairedion says:

    Sorry, Lairedion. 🙂

    OK, Mas 😉

  26. avatar Ziad says:

    Timdog- what you said is interesting! There is nothing sexier than a red queer.
    Now Ross has a point in comparing leprosy to homosexuality (I am not implying that sodomy is sickness, whether it is practiced between hetro. or homo. couples, but just for the sake of the argument). Well I don’t think one has to persecute people attained with leprosy, as far as I know there not hang to death or punished by the law in any country. Now kleptomaniacs and pedophiles are a different case since their actions are harming other people, so I wonder how queers are harming society. And what the hell we have to do with what others do in bed (or elsewhere)? I mean spousal rape is a much more troubling fact and a largely ignored problem although it is common, it is estimated that in the US between 10 and 15% of married women are subjected to marital rape, that makes a total much higher than victims of pedophilia and stranger rape cases add to that other cases of domestic rape! So why don’t we ban marriages?

    However if the figures are true about the link between homosexuality and pedophilia are indeed representative (you have to take into account all other variables and prove the results to be consistent in time and space) well may be that is because homosexuality is so repressed that some desperate perverts recur to such acts.

  27. avatar shorty says:

    ross

    think outside the square……..

    in a male dominant (let’s not get sidetracked there) religous culture maybe homosexuality should be encouraged!! the benefits are immense…

    1. less competition for virgins
    2. more women available for 2nd, 3rd, 4th wives
    3. lesbian wives in polygamous marriage can keep themselves ‘happy’ while hubby is out chasing skirt/little boys/goats whatever
    4.think of the stones we’ll save
    5. for the majority of us free thinking, compassionate, tolerant people we’ll be spared the rantings of bigots

    let’s face it, ri has greater problems to solve and ponder than who’s shagging who.

  28. avatar sputjam says:

    I think you guys don’t get it.
    It is during puberscent that will shape a person into what he will become.
    And most of those with “alternate” sexual behaviour become reality during their school years.
    In the case of asia, most students who were acted upon in boarding schools and mission end up as transvestite, maybe due to homosexual relationship amongst men are suppressed. So a female form may be better tolerated by the community. A transvestite without a sex change, is actually a male in female clothes.

    Shorty said –
    in a male dominant (let’s not get sidetracked there) religous culture maybe homosexuality should be encouraged!! the benefits are immense”¦

    My personal opinon is that people with deviant sexual urges are hiding in religious institution to nab their victims especially underages ones but similar gender species (mostly gay men acting as religious scholars in schools).

    I am merely trying to warn parents about sending their children to religious boarding schools. They may end up exactly opposite to parents expectations.

  29. avatar shorty says:

    sputjam don’t selectively quote me. have the honesty to examine/quote my contribution in it’s entirety/context.’

    what do you mean by ‘deviant’ anyhow? a mode of behaviour/line of thought you disagree with?

    i’m inclined to agree with you – don’t send your kids to religious schools – not thru fear of gay staff – but for the high possibility of creating/perpetuating bigots.

  30. avatar Janma says:

    Ross said,

    Indonesians, Muslim and Christian understand this

    Ross, I kind of get the feeling from the comments above that Indonesians actually don’t understand that attitude and are slagging you for it…. just my take though.

    Also, If homosexuality is a disease why would you have to criminalize it? Can you criminalize a disease? so now it’s illegal to have aids? or leprosy? or alcoholism for that matter?

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