Battle of the Islam Movies

Mar 31st, 2008, in News, by

The battle of the Islam movies, Ayat-Ayat Cinta and Fitna, and which gives a better picture of Islam.

True Islam - Love

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono watched the Islamic soap-opera-romance movie Ayat-Ayat Cinta on 28th March and said he was moved to tears several times.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono
Tearful.

He said the film was a good example of how Indonesians should struggle to show the true face of Islam to the world, as a religion of peace, harmony, and tolerance.

SBY watched it at Studio XXI, EX Plaza, Jakarta, along with Tourism minister Jero Wacik, Religion minister Maftuh Basyuni, Trade minister Mari Elka Pangestu, Womens' Empowerment minister Meutia Hatta, presidential spokesman Dino Pattidjalal, Public Welfare minister Aburizal Bakrie and State Secretary Hatta Rajasa, as well as 107 Jakarta-based diplomats from 53 countries, and some of the stars of the film, Fedi Nuril, Rianti Cartwright, Carissa Putri, Melani Putria, and Zaskia Adya Mecca. antara

False Islam - Lies

Another film about Islam, Dutch politician Geert Wilders' Fitna, has provoked a rather different reaction.

A Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) leader, Kholil Ridwan, says the government should try to block access to the film on the internet.

He also advised Indonesians to boycott Dutch products.

MS Kaban of the Partai Bulan Bintang (PBB) said Wilders should study Islam and learn the correct form. antara

Abdillah Toha of the Partai Amanat Nasional (PAN) said he had already contacted the Information ministry and asked them to block the websites Youtube and LiveLeak, where Fitna can/could be viewed. antara

Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) leader in North Sumatra, Abdullah Syah, says that the website which shows Fitna, "www.xxxxxxx.com" (probably YouTube.com) also shows sexy video clips. The purpose of www.xxxxxxx.com showing videos of naked women was to accustom the youth of Islam to looking at naked female flesh. He also asked that the government block websites that screen Fitna. republika


Excitable Iraqi cleric, part of whose speech here appears in Fitna.

Teuku Taufiqulhadi of the Partai Persatuan Pembangunan (PPP) asked the government to file a case against Geert Wilders at the International Court for violations of human rights. antara

Maverick politician and religious leader Abdurrahman Wahid (Gus Dur) however says that under the Indonesian constitution Fitna, and any other anti-Islam film, should be allowed to be distributed freely. detik


53 Comments on “Battle of the Islam Movies”

  1. avatar Rob says:

    Calling each other names is hardly constructive debate on the topic at hand.

    I have not watched either of the films and I am not sure that I will. I personally am more likely to watch Fitna than Ayat-ayat Cinta, but I will let you know. 🙂

    Fitna would seem to be a film with an agenda and if it is as some have suggested a compilation of events that have occurred combined with a selective number of Suras from the Al-Qu’ran then I would imagine that Muslim scholars could conceivably respond in a manner that points out the problems or where the film misleads without having to resort to violence.

    The idea of free speech is not one where there are no boundaries and to suggest that free speech is simply a matter of anything goes is a misrepresentation in itself. Whether Fitna falls into a protected category of free speech is a legal debate. Yet, just because the material offends does not mean that it is speech that must be censored or banned. If it is speech that vilifies a particular individual or group then there are likely to be restrictions on the speech, and rightly so.

    It is unfortunate that rational debate is likely to be overshadowed by the emotional one because a rational debate might just lead us down a path that will take us to a place where there is a greater appreciation and understanding of the differences that separate us. Finding this tolerance is the key to making the world in which we live a much happier one.

    Violence only begets more violence. As Gandhi once said “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!”

    Ridicule if you want, but it is our communal hopes and dreams for a better future that will drive us to a more tolerant and peaceful future.

  2. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    rima’s avatar is cute.

  3. avatar rima says:

    The Volksrant on FPI’s urge to sever diplomatic ties with The Netherlands.

    this is the last paragraph (sorry it’s in dutch)
    Een woordvoerder van de groep, Soleh Mahmud, riep de regering op de banden met Nederland wegens Wilders’ film Fitna te verbreken. ‘De Nederlandse regering moet hem arresteren. Wilders moet worden gedood, omdat hij de moslims de oorlog heeft verklaard’, aldus Mahmud, die ook zei dat hij Fitna nog niet heeft gezien.

    means (more or less): A spokesman of the group, Soleh Mahmud, called the government to sever ties with the Netherlands because of Wilders film Fitna.` the Dutch government must arrest him. Wilders must be killed, because he has declared war with Moslems” says Mahmud who also said that he has not yet seen Fitna.

    hehehe.. nonton aja belon kok marah.. :p

  4. avatar Lairedion says:

    rima,

    You should also mention that only 40 people showed up to demonstrate. It’s generally well-known that the FPI is nothing but a bunch of thugs too lazy and stupid to get a decent life.

    btw What happened to your pic? I agree with Aluang Anak Bayang, it’s cute.

  5. avatar rima says:

    The pic is there when I comment while being logged on. now I’m not.. thanks for saying that tho..

    Yeah, I only translated the last part, cos it’s funny.

  6. avatar M.F says:

    ` the Dutch government must arrest him. Wilders must be killed, because he has declared war with Moslems” says Mahmud who also said that he has not yet seen Fitna.

    This is hilarious, but I am not surprise to see how dumb the FPI members are. I mean when the last thing they do something smart? Everytime they said or do something makes me almost be embarrassed to come from the same country as these morons.

  7. avatar Robert says:

    @Rambutan,

    I don’t think Indonesians need to be lectured about free speech and press freedom. They fought hard to gain it and they are doing a pretty good job at maintaining it.

    Who are “they”? Are “they” the same people who will be blocking porn related internet sites, and probably YouTube for showing Fitna?
    It seems the Indonesian government doesn’t trust the Indonesian people. Apparently the government has a different view on free speech and press freedom.

    And what other sites will be blocked next?

    “Some observers have warned the government may use its declared war on online pornography as an excuse to take action against other information deemed detrimental to the regime.”

    Source: The Jakarta Post

  8. avatar falcon says:

    # Maria (Carissa Putri) a Coptic Christian living next door to Fahri, who inexplicably converts to Islam at the end of the film

    If the whole world convert, may be it becomes one happy family?

  9. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Rambutan said

    Wilders is an individual attacking a world religion.

    Wilders is a democratically elected politician speaking in the name and on behalf of his constituency. He will be judged by the Dutch voters in the next elections.

    Please tell me who should talk in the name of Islam?

    Islam has enough imams, ulamas, kiais, ustadz and other so-called scholars. Maybe we could ask the cleric in the video above.

  10. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Murphy said

    I am testing your own principle. If an insult deserves “counterbalance the fact or find proof of the contrary” like you said, then show me proof that you are not an asshole. It’s nothing personal.

    Is telling the truth and showing reality an insult? If so then you will be in for some more nasty surprises, boy.

  11. avatar Murphy says:

    dewaratugedeanom said:

    Is telling the truth and showing reality an insult?

    Oh, okay then. Thanks. I thought that was an insult to you.

  12. avatar Ihaknt says:

    When will Indonesians be able to decide for themselves and not always spoonfed what to see, hear, read?

  13. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Murphy said

    Oh, okay then. Thanks. I thought that was an insult to you.

    I think you have trouble understanding what an insult is. What follows is an example of an insult:

    “Murphy, judging from your style you must be an Anglo bottomfeeder who became a Submitter in order to marry the daughter of some muslimofanatico Indonesian and who now has to prove that he didn’t convert because he was a wussy for her pussy.
    Merdeka!”

    Don’t worry, it’s nothing personal.

  14. avatar Murphy says:

    @dewaratugedeanom

    Ah, yes. Good ol’ low-brow garden variety insults. You do sound like Wilders. I guess your parents must be siblings.

  15. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Murphy, is your mother still in jail?

    In case you didn’t know, this the standard question they use in pesantrens and madrassahs to spice up their debating courses.

  16. avatar Cukurungan says:

    dewaratugedeanom said:

    In case you didn’t know,
    this the standard question they use in pesantrens and madrassahs to spice up their debating courses.

    me :

    It is really shocking that to be a professional cowboy Kuta like you also need to attend in the pesantren/madrasah debating course because I think the cowboy kuta don’t need to be good in debating but you should have thick, long and strong tongue because only by having so, you would be able to deliver unforgetable service for your client.

    As you big brother again I remind you never forget to wash your mouth regularly because prevention always work better than medications.

  17. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Cukurungan said

    …you should have thick, long and strong tongue because only by having so, you would be able to deliver unforgetable service for your client.

    Cukurungan, not only my tongue is thick, long and strong. But anyway, thank you for the free advertising.
    Sorry, have to go. They are already lining up at my doorstep.

  18. avatar John says:

    Murphy,

    I don’t know why you have got your knickers in a twist. Have you have recently had your genitals mutilated?

    You should stop abusing and insulting people and try to make a constructive point. This is what most people in this forum try to do.

  19. avatar Murphy says:

    John,

    To answer your direct question, yes, mine was circumcised. Although I don’t quite understand your fascination with my willy. I can introduce you to him (I call him Mr. Lincoln, for obvious reason) if you’re really interested.

    Seriously, The discussion with Dewaratugedeanom is a cordial one about what consititutes an insult and the proper way to address one. In summary, he thought an insult should be addressed with “counterbalance the fact or find proof of the contrary”. I thought the only way to answer an insult is by topping it. He was wrong, of course.

    It might be a bit too academic for your capacity, John. But trust me, nobody was abused in the process.

  20. avatar dewaratugedeanom says:

    Murphy, I graciously give in. Your debating skills are amazing. You certainly came out primus inter pares in your madrassah, or was it pesantren, debating course.
    Oh yes, and don’t forget to visit your mother in jail.

  21. avatar Lairedion says:

    Murphy, I graciously give in. Your debating skills are amazing.

    Murphy needs to improve his insult skills as he is still too academic. If he keeps working on that he could be a possible successor of Dragonwall, the one and only who never lost a debate. Where the hell is Dragonwall anyway? I miss him.

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