Study in Australia
February 8th, 2008, in News, by PatungIndonesian students in Australia often have a bad time.
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A study by Monash and Melbourne Universities claims that Asian students studying abroad at Australian universities suffer very high levels of isolation and loneliness.
200 students from Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, China, and India were surveyed with 67% of female and 62% of male respondents saying they often felt totally lost in Australia and found it difficult to make friends with local, Australian students.
The Singaporeans were the most lonely, with 100% saying they felt “in a very strange place” and “lost in a jungle”, or similar sentiments, followed by Malaysians, Indonesians and Chinese. [1]
Cash Cows
The same study also seemed to dispel the myth of Asian students all driving around in expensive cars and living the high life, claiming that:
…many overseas students cannot afford to eat, 60% are paid less than the legal minimum wage, and they are among those most vulnerable to exploitation……because of their lack of English skills and ignorance of workplace rights.
The authors of the study slammed universities for treating foreign students like “cash cows”. [2]
About a third of foreign students were said to have less than half the money they needed to cover basic living costs. [3]
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84 Comments on “Study in Australia”
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Oigal Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 11:13 pmmmmm..Gotta watch these studies, guess they can say anything you want them too bit like a inane monster vox pop recently trundled around by the resident troll.
OVERSEAS students have ranked Australia as the third best country in the world for university education, a new survey has revealed.
A study of 11,000 prospective students from 143 countries found Australia only lagged behind Britain and the US as a preferred study destination.
Conducted by the International Graduate Insight Group, the researchers also found students thought Australia was safe, had universities with a good reputation and was an easy place to find employment after graduation
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23179664-12332,00.html
Although to be fair, I love Singapore but I think any Singaporean would feel “lost in a jungle” anywhere in the world after the order and stability of Singapore if it was their first trip abroad.
Interesting piece of cut and paste..sort of left out a bit of balance at the bottom of the orginal article.
UA chief executive Glenn Withers rejected the claim that tertiary institutions treated international students like cash cows and don’t care about their welfare.
He defended the decision not to include international students in their student finances survey, saying that that survey was targeted at the federal government to try to improve income support for domestic students.
Dr Withers said universities were helping overseas students where they could by providing support services and going into public-private partnerships to construct accommodation for students close to campuses.
“The biggest problems are the exchange rate - and universities cannot control that - and expensive housing, and universities cannot control that either,”
the research also found foreign students were more likely to be exploited because of their lack of English skills and ignorance of workplace rights
How can you be be suffering from a lack of English Skills and yet hope to achieve anything worthwhile in an English Speaking University..Workplace Rights? Attending University but cannot conduct personal primary school level research. Just goes to show the Uni students the world over are dumbing down.
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Anita McKay Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 2:32 amPatung, funny that today I’ve just asked why Indonesians tend to hang out with other Indonesians, and in some cases, only with Indonesians, when they are living overseas (click here.
It doesn’t make sense to me. Australia’s big cities are occupied by a large number of Indonesians. So how could Indonesians feel ‘lost’ in Australia when they insist to preserve the culture totally (language, food, habits, friends etc) and “refuse” to adapt to Australian culture? How could Indonesians complain that they feel lonely if they don’t try to get to know other nations?
Re. cash cow, I actually couldn’t agree more with you. We have to pay at least twice than local students, and that’s not only for tuition fees. Even for bus passes we don’t get student discounts, which I think is really unfair.
Re.workplace rights, I don’t think it’s about ignorance. Part of it is about lack of knowledge. And half of it because we always subconsciously think that confrontation is bad. I know my friends who were in college and worked 8 hours straight in ice cream shop during summer holiday and the boss dared to tell them not to have toilet break since the shop was too busy. They didn’t protest because they needed the money and the longer they worked, the more money they made. They simply didn’t know that they have the rights to have toilet break and it’s illegal for their boss to treat them like that. On the other hand, the boss said he liked them because they were reliable, came on time, didn’t mess about, not like Australian workers.
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WP Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 3:10 amAnita:
why Indonesians tend to hang out with other Indonesians, and in some cases, only with Indonesians, when they are living overseas
Anita, we are just simple, sweet, and very shy folk
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Achmad Sudarsono Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 1:29 pmOigal,
Don’t like it when poor people have an opinion ? How ’bout the opinion of it’s good to be sober at least for a couple of hours a day ?
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February 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pmhmmm. Well it makes sense. A lot of people living away from home get lonely and alienated. Some choose to deal with it various positive ways. Others prefer to down their complaints in stale Bir Bintang at Blok M whilst groping 17-year old waitresses.
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falcon Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 4:32 pmThe fact is that almost in any country around the world, most Asian foreign students tend to socialize with their own kind, unless the number is limited it can become even a lonelier place. Asian born in the US tend to associate between US Born Asians however the comfort level of communication with none Asian is better. The number of Singaporeans studying abroad probably is limited therefore they feel lonely. Foreign students is a cash cow since majority of them studying aboard are relatively better-off financially. Where else can they make their money, either beg the government for more where the probability is small or ask from corporation endowment however the university needs to have a proven historic educational track record with excellent alumni.
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Deng Xiao Phing Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 4:43 pmIndonesian students must learn how to assimilate, mingle around, mixed in Australia, because their parent’s choice or theirown choice to study in Australia. These students should not complaint of isolation & dreaming to create exclusive Indonesian students speaking bahasa all the time which may agitate the native english speaking Australian. The same for Indonesia pribumi who keep on demanding the minority Indonesian chinese in home country to speak Bahasa clearly without ‘lidah cadel’ nha lo owe udah belajal intunisia masih saja dianggap belum bisa dasal kulang ajal loe olang. Or to change the chinese name into malay local names or mixed arround, marry with pribumi - I think this is normal so do Indonesian students decided to live in Aussie must accept their domestic culture - assimilate naturally. If you do not like Aussie way of life then go back home don’t complain - shut your mouth
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Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 8:44 pmFriends,
Re cash cows.
20 years ago, an overseas student need to pass Year 12 English to get into uni. Now as long as you have money and can fill in the application form, you are in.
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ausdag Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 11:40 amSo how could Indonesians feel ‘lost’ in Australia when they insist to preserve the culture totally (language, food, habits, friends etc) and “refuse” to adapt to Australian culture?
Part of the ’stick to their own kind’ thing is the pressure to not be seen to be deserting your own kind. Any sign of opting to hang out with locals rather than fellow Indonesians will often bring accusations of snobbery and ‘kacang lupa kulit’. This is even more felt among certain Australian-funded scholarship students. The group at one particular university in Queensland has a reputation for their mafia-like pressure to stick together.
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spew-it-all Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 7:13 amIt is hard to international students in Australia. You can’t work more than 20 hours/week and have to take full-time study. There are several categories of Indonesian students in Australia. Firstly, those who get scholarship from AUSAID, secondly, permanent residents and thirdly, rich Indonesian people.
I found that Indonesians/asian in general like to mingle with their own kind. I am not sure if this is because of loneliness factor. I have been living in Australia for more than 5 years and seldom i hang out with Indonesians. Don’t get me wrong, i like to hang out with Indonesians but i also like to make friend with people from different cultures.
If you go to Swanston Street in Melbourne, which is the heart of the city, you don’t feel like in Australia. It seems that Asian outnumbers Aussies and Brits. Swanston street may make you feel that you actually can experience Singapore in Melbourne. Most Asian tend to live around Uni and close to the city. This Asian conggegrating in the city might be a favourite topic for channel 7: be careful dim sum will wipe out bangers and mash!
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Janma Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 9:12 amMy kids just went to school in Australia in the last two years. My daughter is Australian…. no indonesian in her, but she was bought up here. All her friends there are Indonesian… she just can’t seem to gel with the Aussies so well….. They were lonely when they first went there, but got used to it once they make friends. When I ask her why she only hangs out with Indonesians it’s partly because she is homesick and wants to speak bahasa Indonesia, and partly because most Australians are pretty ignorant about other places in the world and partly because they all go to pubs and drink too much and are invariably trashed the entire weekend.
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Oigal Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 9:40 amOigal,
Don’t like it when poor people have an opinion ? How ’bout the opinion of it’s good to be sober at least for a couple of hours a day ?
Still bottom feeding I see Assmad..thanks for sharing diddums..
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February 11th, 2008 at 1:10 pmOigsie,
Seriously, “diddums” ??
As the great Paul. J. Keating said to John Hewson, “debating with you is like getting flayed with a soft piece of lettuce.”
But let’s strip the drunk comment: don’t like it when poor people have an opinion ? Maybe you know better than them what’s good for them.
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February 11th, 2008 at 1:14 pmWhat do you think of this, Oigsie-Poigsie ?
Australians are pretty ignorant about other places in the world and partly because they all go to pubs and drink too much and are invariably trashed the entire weekend.
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belle Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pmit is hard to make friends especially when you dont speak the language well. the language barrier is at times so significant that it makes the average person more shy than usual and consequently reluctant to make friends. further if you are far away from home, you would feel homesick and it is nicer to be with people who understand you, then you dont have to explain why you feel certain ways - and these people tend to be those who have the same nationality as you do.
at the end of the day, we just want to be understood - and in this case, the people who are most likely to understand us are the ones who are in the same boat as we are.
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dewaratugedeanom Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 5:19 pmJanma
because they all go to pubs and drink too much and are invariably trashed the entire weekend.
An Aussie without a ’stubbie’ is considered an oxymoron. Or simply a moron.
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February 12th, 2008 at 8:26 amOh Assmad..little diddums..do find another drum to beat…YAWN!
Most of us have better things to do than play the silly little racist game, just shows the insecurity and a lack of maturity on behalf of the writers of such tosh.
Quick now toddle off and find another piece of cut n paste.. -
February 12th, 2008 at 9:47 amThanks for sharing, Oigal.
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February 12th, 2008 at 10:36 amPoetry:
There once was a Bule called Oigal,
Whose postings were very banal,
His ignorant ways, did but betray,
His snooty, elitist rationale. -
Janma Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 10:50 amAn Aussie without a ’stubbie’ is considered an oxymoron. Or simply a moron.
Many australians like to drink, it’s true, but not all australians are beer swilling morons…. I for one am not! And I know many many other Australians who are not. Just because the class of tourist who comes to bali are the ones who can’t afford a better destination…. so it’s the bottom feeder class. unfortunate.
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February 12th, 2008 at 12:34 pmYAWN…as per previous..
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TheWrathOfGrapes Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 1:05 pmAchmad, I prefer Limerick to Poetry…
There once was a Bule called Oigal,
Whose postings were quite original,
Then came along Achmad who knows,
Knows not, who suka say no,
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Janma Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 1:40 pmIf that’s a limerick, Murphy would be turning in his grave!
Limericks consist of five anapaestic lines.
Lines 1, 2, and 5 of Limericks have seven to ten syllables and rhyme with one another.
Lines 3 and 4 of Limericks have five to seven syllables and also rhyme with each other. -
February 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pmJanma,
As well you know, most Limericks are comprised whilst drunk (where’s yours, Oigal ??), so in theory yes, the anapaestic, but in reality, c’mon.
Where did you learn this stuff ?
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February 12th, 2008 at 1:46 pmOnce again, Oigsie-Poigsie, this round to me.
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Janma Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 1:47 pmThere was an Old man on our blog,
Whose arguments got lost in the fog;
Till at last, with a hammer,
They silenced his clamour,
There ended his inane monologue. -
February 12th, 2008 at 1:50 pmOh Well, now that we are completely off topic..oh well, I think its only fair to say that its not all Assmad’s fault, its well out of its depth debating anything other than insults and mindless abuse.. I must admit we have developed a Master/servant relationship over time (although Assmad does make for a particularly inept pembantu).
In fact, I reminded of a passage from the old testiment..
‘I shall not call you a servant any longer, because the servant does not know what
the master has done. I shall call you a fornicator, and if I may add, quite an ugly one.’
John, 15:1`17 -
Janma Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pmI shall not call you a servant any longer, because the servant does not know what
the master has done. I shall call you a fornicator, and if I may add, quite an ugly one.’
John, 15:1`17Gotta love the bible hey!? Great book! LOL!
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February 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pmThere once was a woman in Bali
Whose postings were oh-so gnarly,
The power went down, and then with a frown,
She rode off in the night on a harley ! -
February 12th, 2008 at 2:42 pmThere is more residual intelligence in a single shrunken head in a Dayak Long House than can be found in the sum total of all of Assmad’s postings.
Actually that was a bit mean, Assmad deserves considerable pity”¦
It’s is a very mediocre creature - and knows it, or suspects it, which is worse.
Oh well enough fun back to work..
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Achmad Sudarsono Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pmOigal, just use “intelligence” - “residual” is redundant. - Also, just use “pity” words like considerable clutter your sentences. Also, quick syntax check before you post — “it’s” & “it is” mean the same thing,” - Achmad.
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February 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pmHi Oigal,
I think we should stick to the topic and avoid hijacking Patung’s threads to level personal vendettas,
best,
Achmad.
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February 12th, 2008 at 7:05 pmI agree with Janma. Many Aussies like their beer but also remember that quite large number of Aussies prefer to have wine.
More frequently people make generalisation in this forum. I don’t know why.
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February 12th, 2008 at 7:11 pmThere once was a man from Honshu
whose Limericks ended at line two. -
February 12th, 2008 at 7:15 pmRe,
Janma Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 10:50 am
An Aussie without a ’stubbie’ is considered an oxymoron. Or simply a moron.Many australians like to drink, it’s true, but not all australians are beer swilling morons”¦. I for one am not! And I know many many other Australians who are not…..
Oi mbak Janma, since when you are considered ‘Aussie’ by white Ozzies; or deemed equal by white Ozzies; or maybe you think you are one of their kind. The white trashes downunder had issues with Olive, Brown and Yellow men. Simply by marrying to an Ozzie won’t do the trick. You are not in Canada or America, sister.
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February 12th, 2008 at 10:14 pmAfter watching the 42th opening of the Parliament in Canberra on SBS, I think it is proper for Oz bules such as ausdag, Oigal, etc to pen little note of ’sorry’ to Blackies sufferred in the hand of their convicts ancestors on IM. Indonesia is so close to Australia and we, Javanese feel the grief of our neighbouring Blackies.
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February 12th, 2008 at 10:32 pmOwe udah bilang : if you easily got homesick then don’t study in Aussie, back in your nearest hometown there are plenty of Madrasah & IAIN, those with hefty of Indon gov’t subsidy where you can enjoy the school in bahasa, why would you go to overseas for study with them then complaint of isolation, homesick, etc? Complaining too much that Aussie angmoh like drinking, mingle around in Taverns is not our culture while difficult to get our delicious ‘lontong sayur’? So childish and asking too much. I do not understand this forum’ participants mainly have square personal view.
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Odinius Says:
February 13th, 2008 at 12:00 amOkay…I will address the various points I think need addressing here:
Racist Australians: sure some are. But there are racists everywhere. I’ve met a lot of racist Indonesians, racist Americans, racist Europeans, racist Singaporeans, Japanese, etc.
Students: knowing lots of international students from time spent studying in 4 countries, it’s obvious to me that a lot of international students really don’t make much attempt to befriend students who aren’t other international students from their country. This is not culturally specific: it was my experience even observing American students in the UK…in the UK! Same language, a significant amount of shared culture, history, etc. The moral of this story is, you only take advantage of a host culture by dipping your feet into it and trying to make friends. It’s easier to just stick to “your own” and eat hamburgers/es teler. If that’s how you are, when you feel like a stranger in a strange land, it’s your own fault.
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naga Says:
February 13th, 2008 at 3:46 amThe main reason that Asians, especially Indonesian and Singaporeans, feel ‘lonely’ and ‘isolated’ is because they no longer have the massive social support systems they rely on at home, i.e. MAIDs and parents doting on them; once they find they have to do all the world’s shit work themselves and are actually responsible for themselves, they are lost and vulnerable. This will make them grow up very quickly.
Going to Australia is the best education they will ever get, they are children of the elite anyway, so how hard could it be?
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dingdong Says:
February 13th, 2008 at 6:49 amGood point naga! I remember seeing an interview with Indonesian students studying in Sydney and Melbourne. Asked what was the most difficult thing about being here they replied that they had to do their own washing, cooking, shopping etc. as of course there was no pembantu to do all of this. My heart just went out to them, not! Don’t know about growing up quickly tho’ as a lot of them just get catered Indonesian meals, or live on Indomie. One had never even made their own bed ’til they left Indonesia. Students from Sth America, Turkey, etc tend to fit in much better as they are usually (due to financial circumstances) forced to get a p/t job and they are not so afraid of making mistakes when they speak, so their progress in English is invariably much faster, even thought they still predominantly hang out with their own language group!
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February 13th, 2008 at 7:28 amwe, Javanese feel the grief of our neighbouring Blackies
thats great..along with the grief of the papuans, orang tim tim, orang aceh…
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February 13th, 2008 at 9:47 amOigal,
They are Indonesia’s internal affairs and none of your concern. The solidarity of the brown man for the black man, however, (I’m not saying they are equal), transcends ideology and national boundaries.
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February 13th, 2008 at 9:52 amMore poetry:
There was a “man” at the Stump,
Moral outrage he did trump,
When Reality called, he was quite appalled,
And simply told it to go jump. -
Anita McKay Says:
February 13th, 2008 at 5:48 pm@Naga & Dingdong: we fall again to international students stereotype: driving posh cars, spending cash their parents send, only survive by having Indomie or take-aways.
Half of Indonesian students I know weren’t like that, especially postgrad students. They were with their families, they were there by scholarships yet they still had to work at Coles etc. to be able to have some more pocket money to go to Blue Mountains or other short holiday trips. The spouses usually were having more difficulties because of language barrier, so they tended to hang out with other Indonesian spouses.
The rest of Indonesian students I know, even though come from rich families, still did casual works.
Perhaps those students you both referred to were undergrad or high school students. But I lived with many undergrad students as my roommates, and yes, in bad days they screamed, wanting to go home because their assignments were too many and they had me nagging them, reminding them it’s their turn for hoovering the apartment and the bills were due. But hey, they’ve survived!
@Odinius: Americans are like that. Hold on, British are like that too. If you’re in Jakarta you’d find out that American and British expats tend to hang out with their own fellows. So it’s not just students.
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ecky Says:
February 13th, 2008 at 6:58 pmNot only Americans or Birtish like to hang out with their own fellows, most expats who lives in Jakarta tend to hang out with their own fellows.
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February 13th, 2008 at 8:47 pmRe
Oigal Says:
February 13th, 2008 at 7:28 am
we, Javanese feel the grief of our neighbouring Blackiesthats great..along with the grief of the papuans, orang tim tim, orang aceh”¦
BTW..Blackies???We did not chain Papuans, forcibly remove their childs and sent them away to be playtoys like what Oz convicts did. Take a small step and express your sorrow on IM isn’t that hard, the rest will follow.
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February 13th, 2008 at 9:51 pmWe did not chain Papuans, forcibly remove their childs and sent them away to be playtoys like what Oz convicts did.
Indeed you didn’t. You only kill them.
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February 13th, 2008 at 10:40 pm@Anita:
The only reason I’m talking about students is because the topic is about students, but yes it’s true of any expats. Thought I made it clear I was saying this is a common problem. That’s why I wrote:
This is not culturally specific: it was my experience even observing American students in the UK”¦in the UK! Same language, a significant amount of shared culture, history, etc. The moral of this story is, you only take advantage of a host culture by dipping your feet into it and trying to make friends. It’s easier to just stick to “your own” and eat hamburgers/es teler. If that’s how you are, when you feel like a stranger in a strange land, it’s your own fault.
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Cukurungan Says:
February 14th, 2008 at 7:56 amthats great..along with the grief of the papuans, orang tim tim, orang aceh”¦
BTW..Blackies???Do not blame us on Orang Tim-Tim grief because they already taken care by Oz although the OZ could only afford to feed them with “sisa makanan” of the OZ army.
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February 14th, 2008 at 8:33 amWe did not chain Papuans, forcibly remove their childs and sent them away to be playtoys
Might be time to do a little research on Papua and Tim Tim, might save you from making such silly statements.
P.S. Assmad Tim Tim is not an Indonesian intenral affair..You’ve been away with fairies way too long..time to come home
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February 14th, 2008 at 9:06 pm“we fall again to international students stereotype: driving posh cars, spending cash their parents send, only survive by having Indomie or take-aways. ”
uhhh, where in my post did i say that or even allude to that?
I said the massive ’social support systems’; even, lower to middle class Asians have maids to do all their crap work for them. They live at home until their late 20s, early 30s and still get doted on, that is my point; very clear….
It is independence and responsibility that is what their fear most..
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February 14th, 2008 at 9:37 pm@ Oigal,
if only you could snap out of your drunken stupor, Blackies are still being persecuted as we speak.
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Janma Says:
February 15th, 2008 at 10:05 amOi mbak Janma, since when you are considered ‘Aussie’ by white Ozzies; or deemed equal by white Ozzies; or maybe you think you are one of their kind. The white trashes downunder had issues with Olive, Brown and Yellow men. Simply by marrying to an Ozzie won’t do the trick. You are not in Canada or America, sister.
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Last time I looked I was an Aussie mate….. My great great grandmother had the dubious distinction of being the first woman to be whipped in the Round House in Fremantle…. Plus, I’m not married to an Aussie. When I was a kid my parents friends were Chinese, Turkish, Greek and Italian. I remember my mother mentioning that it was not like that with most, but she made it clear racisim was the wrong way.and the convicts weren’t the ones killing the aboriginals… it was mostly the keepers and the descendants of the keepers of the convicts. Where I lived in New South Wales, the entire tribe of Aboriginals living in the Tweed Valley were wiped out by the governor and his weekend house guests, all nose in the air anglophile upperclass wanna be’s! Just plain old murderers… they used to ride out and hunt them down and shoot them. The convicts were out cutting trees down for the very same men.
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Sputjam Says:
February 15th, 2008 at 2:33 pmIt is cheaper to hire australian lecturers to work in Indonesia, than to pay hefty school fees to australian universities for a handful of Indonesian.
A budget of USD20k/ per month will enable Indonesia to obtain a skilful but older or pensioned lecturer from anywhere in the world, who will then pass his knowledge to several hundred Indonesian and maybe assist in conducting useful research, particularly in tropical biology/volcanology/producing electricity by sea currents/waves or placing electricity turbines in sea water heated by volcanic activity.
America subsidies its scientist by the trillions every year. Maybe 98% of those scientific ideas did not reach the market place due to many faults. It is about time indonesian government starts investing in its human capital. Otherwise, scientific minds who studied overseas may end up selling insurance back home. -
February 16th, 2008 at 3:26 amOtherwise, scientific minds who studied overseas may end up selling insurance back home.
Or they don’t return home. At all.
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February 16th, 2008 at 7:23 amMbak Janma,
When I was a kid my parents friends were Chinese, Turkish, Greek and Italian.
You said it all. No wonder you are ignorant of Ozzie racism!
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February 16th, 2008 at 8:46 amJanma - is this killing documented ? Or I mean, are you pretty sure it really happened ?
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February 16th, 2008 at 6:02 pmJanma said
all nose in the air anglophile upperclass wanna be’s! Just plain old murderers”¦ they used to ride out and hunt them down and shoot them. The convicts were out cutting trees down for the very same men.
‘Down under’ must have been quite a zoo in those days. And this crap probably has offspring too.
Well, Kevin Rudd finally said ’sorry’, though it remains a shame that it took (not him but his predecessors) so long. -
Janma Says:
February 18th, 2008 at 9:09 amJanma - is this killing documented ? Or I mean, are you pretty sure it really happened ?
I think it is documented …. but I don’t know where…. everyone in my town knew that story and the descendants of that man still live there and are still in politics! Will check out if they have any documentation on that….. but murder of aboriginals was rife in those days…. no doubt about it. One of their favorite words was ‘posse’.
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February 18th, 2008 at 10:38 amJanma,
Your credability is suffering…One of their favorite words was ‘posse’.
That word in fact is American and never gained any currency in Oz until well after the arrival of the TV Western. Perhaps the word you are looking for is “Push” which was the word used around NSW at that time to describe any number of gangs, mobs and groups. However you cna be fairly certain the word “Possie” was not used.
I think it is documented “¦. but I don’t know where You would think that some thing like that would be pretty well documented in one form or another. Perhaps its like the masacre in Tasmania that was authorised by the Tasmanian Governor at the time (of course, it was later revealed that the said Tasmanian Governor was had not even left England at the time but hey it must be true it was oral history)
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Janma Says:
February 18th, 2008 at 11:29 amOigal, I don’t know where you are from but they used the word ‘posse’ in Australia love.
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February 18th, 2008 at 12:00 pmThe great Dame Edna Everidge said “possum,” possum.
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Janma Says:
February 18th, 2008 at 3:56 pmPosse was a word used in England long before America even drew blood.
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February 18th, 2008 at 5:13 pmJanma, see my blog and perhaps you understand why some people may question such accounts.
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February 18th, 2008 at 11:31 pmFrom what I know, it is POME (Prisoner of Mother England). White trash in those days were affectionately called ‘Pomme’. Hope it solved your query.
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February 19th, 2008 at 7:46 amFrom what I know, AAB please pay attention to your english, the previous statement, in your case is what is called “a contradiction of terms”
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February 19th, 2008 at 8:17 amOigsie,
Don’t see the problem: “from what I know”…
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Janma Says:
February 19th, 2008 at 9:20 amTwo Different things… a pom and a posse….. although a posse can consist of pom’s… you can have pom’s in a posse, and posse’s after poms…..well maybe posse’s can’t consist of pom’s according to Oigal, but he also didn’t give a link to his blog, so I can’t check that.
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February 19th, 2008 at 9:57 amWhat about a possible posse of ponitificating poseurs’ posteriors ?
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Janma Says:
February 19th, 2008 at 10:30 amWhat was that possum?
Was that supposed to be pontificating? in a dsylexic daze I read that as a possible posse of fornicating posers posteriors. -
February 19th, 2008 at 11:12 amYes. I was pontificating not pornographically and poetically pondering the pomme posse, possum.
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February 19th, 2008 at 11:16 amP.S. Janma, are you really a granma ?
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Janma Says:
February 19th, 2008 at 11:29 amYep….. two grandaughters. You can see their photo’s on my facebook…. they are so cute!
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Janma Says:
February 19th, 2008 at 11:34 amWhy is my name coming up as a link on the recent comments list????
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February 19th, 2008 at 11:41 amAh don’t go attributing things to me I didn’t say.
Poms can be part of possies but previously more probably known as pushes as possies was a word pushed onto the public by the prevailing films of the period such as Bonaza which as we know was located at the ponderosa..Sorry to tell possie was just not in vogue at those times..anyway time to rejoin my push
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February 19th, 2008 at 12:45 pmEveryone wants to see your granddaughters.
Tom.
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February 19th, 2008 at 12:49 pmTomorrow there’ll be tons of comments on your Facebook.
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Pakmantri Says:
February 19th, 2008 at 1:04 pmGood recovery there mas Achmad ………………….
(although, you used the same trick last time.)I believe this is your second time slip off, better watch out. Ha ha ….
Peace.
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February 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pmonce…twice….
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Janma Says:
February 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pmThree times a lady……..
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February 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pmoh of that I have no doubt…
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February 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pmAre you saying I have a vagina, Oigal ? ; p
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February 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pmIf not posse or pomme, it could be pussie. Just swap the ‘A’ for ‘P’.
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February 19th, 2008 at 10:27 pmWhat about a possible posse of ponitificating poseurs’ posteriors ?
Nattering nabobs of negativism?
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