Bahai

November 1st, 2007, in News, by Patung

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Tags: Apostasy, Bahai, Blasphemy, Central Sulawesi, Muslim, Religion, Sects, Sulawesi

309 Comments on “Bahai”

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iamisaid Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Pakmantri,

I believe your son calls you, “my dear crazy old man” “¦”¦”¦”¦”¦ ha ha ha.

YA AMPUN! ya kah? KURANG AJARRRR anak tu!

I’m going to whup his ass!

Tulah Pak Mantri, sebagai Mentri Pendidikan, Republik Komodo (http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1540/letter-to-president/) tapi pendidikan di sekolah tak ajarin anak anak sekolah se cara yang betol.
iamisaid Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Susan,

Well, it is good to see you seem to be on the right side this time.

It all depends what is right and what is wrong. It’s all a matter of perspection and largely where one survives - mental perspective in this case. My opinion merely questions the rationale.

But for now, I will take advantage of such rare sweetness in being regarded that I “seem” to be on the right side this time. LOL!

I think it all boils down to the fact that no religion wants to be superceded.

That is where the trouble begins and never fails to end. As I said yesterday, like children playing god, telling each other, “My god will beat up your god”. “Oh yeah?”, says the other defiantly, “and my god will beat up your god too.”

And poor God, slapping His Face one time for the first child, then slapping his Face again for the second child!

I think it may have more to do with the spread of Wahhabism in Indonesia which made Muslims there intolerant whereas formerly they were quite open. Back in the 70’s Baha’is had no problems in your country, though usually they didn’t try and convert Muslims.

Honestly, I find the variety of Islamic sects/zeal hard to follow. So I shall leave it at that and they can beat up themselves till some reason prevails in the end, I hope.

It might possibly be a case of the national government’s policies not reaching…………..

Perhaps so, perhaps not so. From what I read, those who officiated the issue as reported in the IM article. were acting under the influence of the majority or whatever. The laws of the country was not adhered to and therefore they had their unlawful way to exert their minds on the new Bahai converts. That’s how I perceive it.
iamisaid Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Susan,

It’s all a matter of perspection….

Haiya, ejaan, ejaannnnnn ku!

perception dong!

Maafkan
Susan Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Wouldn’t it be nice if this site had a spell-checker?

But hey, we can get an Avatar!

On 1/6/08, Indonesia Matters wrote:
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> Author: iamisaid
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> Susan,
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It’s all a matter of perspection….

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> Haiya, ejaan, ejaannnnnn ku!
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> perception dong!
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iamisaid Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Mas Patung,

Susan says:

Wouldn’t it be nice if this site had a spell-checker?

I echo:

Could we? pellleassse.
Grace Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 10:59 am
If anyway has read through all of that to the end… haha

Reading arguments like this, always makes me really confused because neither side seem to have a clear position, and aren’t responding to the same things.

Islam is a wonderful religion. It was a religion that bought civilization, justice and order to the immoral, depraved and barbaric pre-Islamic Middle Eastern society. Muhammad brought laws that established peace. Muhammad brought laws that introduced eduation, and provided the foundations for a great civilization.

The foundation of a great civilization is the beginning that all major religions start with. These religions also, for some inexplicable reason, falter and grow corrupt. Religious leaders (from whom the religious bodies receive the majority of their guidance) - not all, but many, become more interested in the power their positions wield them, and not instead in working selflessly for the betterment of their fellow man.

The religion loses its purity and potent essence.

As God has established his covenant with mankind, He does not abandon us to a decaying society, but instead, He sends us another message of love through one of His many Manifestations - Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses and Baha’u'llah. Through these Manifestations, a new message is given with the same fundamental spiritual principles, but also with teachings directly related to the issues that the society then faces.

The Bahai Faith is so similar to Islam! Islam is so similar to Christianity! Christianity is so similar to Judaism! Buddhism is so similar to Hinduism! They are so fundamentally similar, and yet, they all possess different and unique potentials, one cannot replace the other.

One potential that all religions prior to the Bahai Faith do not and could not possess, is that regarding the establishment of world unity. This was because at the time of those other religions, the world wasn’t as big, life involved much less geographical space. Each prior religion progressively established peace and unity in larger areas, a country, a continent. Their message of unity was achieved in these areas, but was not focused on the world as a whole. Instead, there was a promise of a future golden age.

The Bahai Faith’s teachings centre around the establishment of this New World Order, upholding, validating and unifying the previous religions that foretell the coming of Baha’u'llah - the Glory of God.
gOObers Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
As God has established his covenant with mankind, He does not abandon us to a decaying society, but instead, He sends us another message of love through one of His many Manifestations - Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses and Baha’u'llah. Through these Manifestations, a new message is given with the same fundamental spiritual principles, but also with teachings directly related to the issues that the society then faces.

The Bahai Faith is so similar to Islam! Islam is so similar to Christianity! Christianity is so similar to Judaism! Buddhism is so similar to Hinduism! They are so fundamentally similar, and yet, they all possess different and unique potentials, one cannot replace the other.

False teaching! You are so confused, Grace!
Mr tanjung panyabungan Says:
April 17th, 2008 at 2:29 am
For every moslem, i hope you don’t leave your religion just becouse money. Nothing connection of money and faith. If you believe islam. You will be safe in this word and here after. Please belive me. Islam is the best. Please study your religion. If you release your religion becouse poorness. You will be poor forever.
Susan Says:
April 17th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Mr. tanjung wrote:
“For every moslem, i hope you don’t leave your religion just becouse money. Nothing connection of money and faith. If you believe islam. You will be safe in this word and here after. Please belive me. Islam is the best. Please study your religion. If you release your religion becouse poorness. You will be poor forever.”

Rest assured that if any Muslim becomes a Baha’i it would not be for the money. We don’t have any.

Seriously, given the kind of persecution they face when they become Baha’is in a Muslim country why would any one do this except that they recognized Baha’u'llah to be the Promised Mahdi? For instance, in Iran Baha’is have been deprived of their liveliohood and permitted to take only the menial employment. Their homes and pensions have been expropriated. Their children are harrassed in school. They are denied access to higher education no matter how well they score on the entrance exams.

“Neither fortune, nor wealth, nor glory, could deter them! God knoweth the things which befell them and yet the people are, for the most part, unaware!”

(Baha’u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 72)

Judge fairly. Is God on the side of the oppressors or the oppressed?