61 Comments on “Metro TV Xin Wen”

1. aJ Says:
   September 11th, 2007 at 9:32 am

   This is a very interesting article.
   Since I’m not in Indonesia myself, I have not seen much of the ‘Metro TV Chinese-language news’ or any other TV shows in Indonesia for that matter, but I think being an Indonesian channel, news or any content of the TV channels should be well balanced.

2. Raden Says:
   September 11th, 2007 at 9:44 am

   What this news pointing to? Unclear & I don’t see any problem with chinese news, spanish news, english news, arab news, etc.
   I don’t speak arab, but does it means it prohibit you who understand arab to stay tune in the ‘Al Jazirah’ TV channel from Afghan? You can subscribe it too via TV satelite but it is not free though, so what is the problem?

3. Peter Says:
   September 11th, 2007 at 10:14 am

   Ross, you said some things which I find highly dubious and objectionable.

   in the USA, where the Hispanic minority has shown a singular reluctance to adapt to their chosen homeland by learning its language.

   Whether or not Hispanic immigrants are making a complete effort to learn English is hardly a matter to be questioned. One must only examine the socio-economic demography of these immigrants. Unlike most of the immigrants coming to the US from say, Europe, China, India, or elsewhere, the Hispanics coming from Central and South America are mostly poor, coming from near the bottom of their society’s economic rung. Their literacy in Spanish and education are often rather poor to begin with. If, for instance you compared immigrants from Spain with immigrants from Central/South America, I am sure that you would find a much greater degree of assimilation and acculturation (i.e. English fluency) taking place among the European Hispanics. People desperately crossing into the US for temporary, minimum quality jobs are not going to be integrated into American society very well. Many of them are working several jobs and supporting their families back in their home countries, and frankly, do not have the luxury of spending the time needed to become fluent in English. There is also a high degree of marginalization and xenophobia that these immigrants are facing. People with attitudes such as yours are not making matters any better in that respect.

   Much of it focuses on happenings in Red China, some in Taiwan and some in Singapore. Why does Metro do this? If it regards Chinese-speaking Indonesians as 100% Indonesian, it should surely be presenting them with news of their own country in their minority language?

   Hmm, if there was an Indonesian language TV show here in the US, made for Indonesian speaking Americans, would anyone be surprised if most of the news was about, oh I don’t know.. INDONESIA? What kind of a ridiculous question are you asking, Ross? Chinese Indonesians have a clear and obvious interest in the affairs of China - their country of origin, which many of them probably still have ties to - family and otherwise.

   “Red China”, as you put it, seems to be an inspiration to you. You perhaps would do as China’s Communist Party does and have the Indonesian government censor all the country’s TV stations. This way internal cohesion could be preserved, and those untrustworthy Chinese won’t get any big ideas from their land of ancestry.

   Ross, posts like this only contribute to more distrust towards Chinese Indonesians. And who do you think you are to question their right and motivation to watch whatever news they want to watch? I thought Indonesia was supposed to be a democracy, bukan?

4. Daniel Khaleel Says:
   September 11th, 2007 at 10:31 am

   Good job Peter. I couldn’t have said it better. You get 1+ karma

5. Sylvester Says:
   September 11th, 2007 at 12:43 pm

   Good point Peter.

6. Sputjam Says:
   September 11th, 2007 at 1:41 pm

   After the second world war, there were calls by certain chinese communities in the then Malaya (including singapore) that was administered by the british to concede the territory to China as they have superiority in terms of numbers (population) compared to the native malays.

   The chinese immigrants still considers themselves subjects of China, and when China became communist, so did many chinese in Malaya. The emergency was declared after european estate owners were slaughtered by the commies and fought by soldiers from Britain, Australia/NZ/Gurkhas and the Royal Malay regiments.
   The fight against the communist ended only recently in the nineties, after china itself decided to become capitalist in “spirit”.

   That was why in the 50th anniversary of merdeka in Malaysia, those foreigners who took part in the battle against communist, WWII and soekarno’s invasion were invited to participate in the march past.

   The leaders and remaining followers of the CPM is still languishing in southern Thailand, waiting for a suit in court that he be allowed to return home in Malaysia while previously serving the communist in china.

7. Pakmantri Says:
   September 11th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

   for example the Cubans who hope to return to a Free Cuba when that old swine Castro kicks the bucket, then that’s all very well. (I know many Cubans are now American citizens, but many others still have hopes of liberating their homeland and good luck and Godspeed to those patriots!)

   Wow, I did not know that Cuba is not a free country? That’s news to me and who is invading Cuba? I believe Castro is just an old man trying to govern his beloved country as best as he can considering the embargo that has been placed on Cuba for how many years? The hardship in Cuba is not because of Castro, it is because of the embargo. And the Cuban who fled the country is not because they were oppressed, they were the riches, landlords and thugs who use to be the collaborators who cannot handle the hardship in Cuba because they used to be the oppressor of the people.
   Just like the GAM elite who never land or work in Aceh.

8. Hassan Says:
   September 11th, 2007 at 5:08 pm

   Ross was just demonstrating his US = good and Cuba = bad mentality.

9. Ross Says:
   September 12th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

   Of course I’m not saying the regime should censor Metro. I was questioning their judgement. They may produce what they like and viewers can watch it all, but shouldn’t they reflect that Chinese-ethnic-Indonesians are first and foremost Indonesians.
   If they want to have progrmmes on Chinese (Red China or Free China) culture, okay, but the news is Indonesian. We bules get it on our news on Metro but the Chinese version is quite different. My motive in posting was to emphasise Chinese integration, which is a good thing. I am certainly not anti-Chinese and know many good folk in that community, who are patriotic Indonesians.
   Similarly, many Hispanic migrants in the USA are proud Americans, unlike the undesirable illegals who marched through major US cities not long ago audaciously carrying foreign flags while demanding US rights.
   I believe that if some Hispanics, or any other immigrants in Anglo-Saxon countries, won’t learn English, they should move home or move on to where they find a more congenial culture.
   As to the red brigade, who think Cuba is free, please explain the absence of free elections, the suppression of free trade unions, the eradication of opposition media and Castro’s two-tier health service, one for Michael Moore and the C.P. elite, the rest, crumbling and pitiful, for the people.

10. Pakmantri Says:
    September 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Let’s liberate Cuba then, I am sure we can make up some story about WMD and for the terrorist part I know for sure there are about 100 or so Taliban and Al-queda personnel in Cuba; they are in Guantanamo bay!

    But wait, cancel that thought. Remember the result of liberating a country from an evil doer, Iraq!!

    Leave Cuba alone, they’ll become capitalist eventually just like China and Russia.
    Beside I have never live in Cuba among the general population, therefore, I cannot tell what the real Cuban feels, have you?

    Peter, we love you brother!

    Peace.

11. Paul Says:
    September 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    I agree with Peter. Such a comment that Ross made is really the kind of thing that triggers national disharmony between Chinese and pribumi. I don’t really see the points that you tried to raise in your article.

    Also, I think that the majority of Indonesian news consumers do not really care about regional politics at all in the first place. Raising such ambiguous issue will only alert certain groups that think using their knees only.

12. The Righteous Dude Says:
    September 12th, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    I generally agree with Ross that many people in Indonesia view other Indonesians according to their ethnicity rather than their citizenship, especially (but not only) Chinese-Indonesians.

    As to why that’s happening, earlier IM articles like this one:
    http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1135/islam-and-chinese/
    explains it better than I can.

13. Julita Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 1:48 am

    Ross:

    My motive in posting was to emphasise Chinese integration, which is a good thing. I am certainly not anti-Chinese and know many good folk in that community, who are patriotic Indonesians.

    Great Ross, do you suggest also to stop the Chinese language education in their curriculum? Other countries have language program in all languages, no problem why are you starting this in Indonesia? I heard they celebrate the Chinese New Year, Chinese signs for businesses? (not sure) etc. etc., they are more open hearted and you don’t like their tolerant attitude. I am really lost, you are a guest-worker will be leaving in one or two years, leave Indonesia to the Indonesian people living in Indonesia.

14. Peter Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 3:55 am

    Ross said:

    but shouldn’t they reflect that Chinese-ethnic-Indonesians are first and foremost Indonesians.

    They should reflect first and foremost the interests of their Chinese-speaking viewers, Ross.

    Your comments suggest that you support the indoctrinization of a nationalistic ideology by using TV as a form of propoganda - in this case to put Chinese in their place and dictate to them that they are Indonesian more than they are Chinese. This attitude spits in the face of the diversity and pluralism which are Indonesia’s defining features and greatest assets.

    You are implying that to be Indonesian and to maintain one’s Chinese identity are mutually exclusive. This is surprising, since you apparently are an American like myself. You should know good and well that in a diverse, pluralistic democracy (such as our country), people are free to maintain any international or cultural associations that they wish. And yes Ross, that includes the Hispanic Americans who proudly wave the flags of their homelands on our streets (or perhaps you assume that all Hispanics that are vocally proud of their mother countries are “undesirable illegals”).

    One can love their foreign homeland and still be just as American as you or I, Ross. And the Chinese can love their ancestral and cultural homeland and be just as Indonesian as anyone else.

    Patung, I love your site, but this post was really a lapse in quality control. At least some of you from Indonesia can get a glimpse of the subtle bigotry that America still struggles to shake off.

15. Pena Budaya Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 5:51 am

    He-eh…

    I don’t mind if there are plenty of television programs in Indonesia in many foreign languages. It could turn to a positive point to learn other language besides bahasa. I realised that my generation was lacking such opportunities to learn different languages rather than English compare today’s generation in Indonesia.

    However, I can also see the point that Ross tried to make here. Hey, if Metro TV can make programme in Chinese, why not making National TV programme in local languages as well, like Javanese, Balinese, Sundanese or Bataknese? Or, should we be afraid that will endorse separatism movement? Oops.

16. Pakmantri Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 8:15 am

    TVRI used to have local language content for every provincial station, I believe they still have it.
    It is encouraged for Indonesian to maintain their mother tongue and culture, it is part of being an Indonesian.
    It is what “Bhineka Tunggal Ika” mean, unity in diversity.

17. Ross Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    Julita, I am not starting anything, merely observing that Chinese-ethnics have long had a hard time here and in my -admittedly arguable -view, Metro paints them as outsiders by its use of foreign news only related to CHina etc.

    Chinese language news programmes should be about Indonesian and world news, like ours and that in Bahasa Indoensia.

    So Peter implies that my post represents ‘American bigotry.’ I am of course not American, but I take an interest in all kinds of issues and comment. Some readers’ comments show incredible bigotry, arguing ‘quality control’ to exclude folks they don’t agree with.

    As for what real Cubans think, we can’t be too sure, because Castro carefully bans them from enjoying free expression, let alone voting rights.

    Read TheReal Cuba website for some insights into Castro’s despotism, including the way ordinary Cubans suffer second-class health treatment, a far cry from the super service foreign collaborators like Moore get. Or read Armando Valladares’s book. Valladares was arrested on 28 December 1960 and accused of plotting against Castro. He was dragged before a military tribunal that presented no witnesses or evidence against him. It summarily sentenced him to 30 years imprisonment. He spent 22 years in Castro’s Gulag, being released in 1982. In 1986 he published the harrowing Against All Hope: The Prison Memoirs of Armando Valladares in which he related the horrors he had endured and witnessed. The following are the book’s two final paragraphs:

    ‘I remember Estebita and Piris dying in blackout cells, the victims of biological experimentation; Diosdado Aquit, Chino Tan, Eddy Molina, and so many others murdered in the forced-labor fields, quarries, and camps. A legion of specters, naked, crippled, hobbling and crawling through my mind, and the hundreds of men wounded and mutilated in the horrifying searches . . . Eduardo Capote’s fingers chopped off by a machete. Concentration camps, tortures, women beaten, soldiers pushing prisoners’ heads into a lake of shit, the beatings of Eloy and Izaguirre. Martín Pérez with his testicles destroyed by bullets. Robertico weeping for his mother. And in the midst of that apocalyptic vision of the most dreadful and horrifying moments of my life, in the midst of the gray, ashy dust and the orgy of beatings and blood, prisoners beaten to the ground, a man emerged, the skeletal figure of a man wasted by hunger, with white hair, blazing blue eyes, and a heart overflowing with love, raising his arms to the invisible heaven and pleading for mercy for his executioners. “Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do”. And a burst of machine-gun fire ripping open his breast.’

    Go for it, Peter, tell us Valladares is an American bigot too!
    That’s the sort of free country Cuba is, a Communist hell-hole. And their doctors?

    In April 2005 Agence France-Presse reported that Federal judge Marcelo Bernal ruled in favor of a demand by the Brazilian state of Tocantins’ Consejo Regional de Medicina (Regional Council on Medicine) that Cuban doctors be prohibited from practicing in their state. Based on the results they’d achieved with Tocantins’ residents, the judge referred to the Cuban doctors as Witch Doctors and Shamans [emphasis added]. We cannot accept doctors who have not proven that they are doctors.

18. HeavenlySword Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    Ross’ comment is valid. However I think one should think about himself first. Kepentingan Negara and other mumbo jumbo can come second or third.

    Younger generation should be motivated and encouraged to be fluent in as many language as possible. Globalization is here and is not coming anymore. Younger generation should be prepared well enough for this. Afterall this is for their own future as well. The idea of nationalism isn’t wrong, but what does it give us except shallow pride?

    What Metro did was great and other TV stations need to follow their example. I’m not talking about Mandarin only. This applies to languages that are commonly used internationally.

    Those who live in Indonesia has been ‘forced to drink’ Bahasa everyday. It’s more than enough dose in a day. It’s time to encourage people to learn new language other than Bahasa. At the end it’s Indonesia who will be benefiting from having his citizen multi-linguistic.

    You may give me minuses for this comment. I’m just talking the fact, that the more language you master, the bigger the chances you’d have to improve your own future.

19. Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    My fellow Muslim Indonesians,

    If one could read the depth of this message, Ross was trying to caution us on the Asian Jews’ conspiracy. The Red army is part of worldwide crusaders trying to usurp us stealthily, and what better way to do it through medias which we don’t understand.

    Jihad on standby.

    Peace.

20. HeavenlySword Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 9:50 pm

    @Aluang,
    What does Mandarin has to do with Asian Jews conspiracy?

    There are quite a few number of Moslem in Indonesia, who understand and speak Mandarin fluently, and that includes TKI who works in China/HK/Taiwan.

    Metro would be very stupid to do a conspiracy through Mandarin or any other language.

    ——————

    Why can’t we be open minded. Why should we keep this negative thoughts all the time? That does nothing at all.

    ——————

    Jihad?
    What does Jihad anything to do with broadcasting Mandarin.. with anything?

    Broadcasting multilanguage,.. Jihad.
    SBY was positioned on the second row during APEC.. Jihad.
    Batak churches got attack.. Jihad.
    Your favorite soccer team lost.. Jihad.
    Your wife cook a bad food.. Jihad.
    Stuck in the traffic.. Jihad
    Left the car key inside your car.. Jihad
    Seeing a jew from a distant (although it was rhoma irama under the brightest sunlight).. Jihad
    I wrote this and you are against it.. Jihad.

    You make fun of yourself at the end.

21. Enigmatic Says:
    September 13th, 2007 at 10:14 pm

    Aluang Anak Bayang Says: –2

    September 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
    My fellow Muslim Indonesians,

    If one could read the depth of this message, Ross was trying to caution us on the Asian Jews’ conspiracy. The Red army is part of worldwide crusaders trying to usurp us stealthily, and what better way to do it through medias which we don’t understand.

    Jihad on standby.

    Peace.

    You want to incite Jihad in Indonesia? Try it. Really. Try it.

    You should be lucky you are not here in Singapore. The internal security act personnel will arrest you and detain you indefinitely for doing that.

    Detachment 88, are you listening?

    PEACE

22. Peter Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 12:17 am

    Ross said:

    Chinese language news programmes should be about Indonesian and world news, like ours and that in Bahasa Indoensia.

    Ross, who are you (or I) to decide what the Chinese in Indonesia should watch? This is the essence of my argument against your position. You can have any opinion you want, but suggesting that what the Chinese should watch should be dictated to them from above is entirely antithetical to the spirit of democracy and pluralism. It is this same logic that inspires the Islamist groups who try to force Indonesians to submit to their view of how everything should be.

    Maybe your feelings are hurt, Ross, because some Chinese in Indonesia maintain an interest in the affairs of China. And maybe, even, they should be more concerned with the affairs of Indonesia. You will just have to get over it, because the Chinese can watch whatever d@mned news they want to, and who are we to stick our noses up at them for doing so? The attitude that people should be forced to conform to our ideal of how they should live, what they should watch, how they should pray, and so on is backwards and the reason for so much pain and strife in Indonesia. Please spare the Indonesian people your misguided opinions based on this destructive and bellicose attitude. They live in a very fragile democracy already. Terima kasih.

    Metro paints them as outsiders by its use of foreign news only related to CHina etc.

    Ross, Metro TV does not “paint” the Chinese Indonesians as anything. Metro TV provides them with the service that they have shown interest in - broadcasts of news about China, among other things. You, Ross, have painted them as outsiders by assuming that watching news about China somehow conflicts with their national identity as Indonesians.

    Peter implies that my post represents ‘American bigotry.’ I am of course not American, but I take an interest in all kinds of issues and comment. Some readers’ comments show incredible bigotry, arguing ‘quality control’ to exclude folks they don’t agree with.

    Ross, your post is of substandard quality, at least in comparison with the status quo for this website. Excuse my kasar speech when I say that:

    I look forward to reading about the everyday goings on of Indonesia and how they are interpreted by Indonesians when I come to this site - NOT an editorialized ‘Fox News-esque’ account such as this, written by some ex-pat who uses the opportunity to insidiously push his anti-Cuban and anti-immigrant propaganda!

    _____________________

    Also,

    “Jihad on standby”. What a great phrase. I will have to use that sometime. Perhaps you might one day measure up to the (in)famous Achmad Sudarsono.

23. Ross Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    Peter wants to see only Indonesian posts, so what is he doing posting - is that a privilege only for bule bolshies?
    It is not my brief to dictate what people like to watch. Who the heck knows? What I was pondering was why Metro gives Chinese-ethnic viewers a different version of the news. An earthquake, a war, a demo, we English-language viewers and those who watch the Bahasa Indonesia news will get much the same. Yet Metro’s news producers - not the viewers - decided to give the Chinese news a different spin/content. A mindset or deliberate - I think just a mindset, on the Metro people’s part, but then I wanted others’ views.
    Thanks for your subjective opinion on my posting quality, Peter, and for your significant silence on dictatorship. Of course I’m not anti-Cuban, a description that better suits the Havana regime, given its maltreatment of most Cubans. Nor am I anti-immigrant. I am opposed to immigration except in carefully controlled amounts, and I am anti-illegal immigrant, for they break the law even as they set foot on their chosen victims’ land. If you are proud to be American, you might observe its laws before you start flying foreign flags.

24. Oigal Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    “Many of them also made a big mistake in the Fifties and Sixties by lining up with the nasty PKI, Communist Party of Indonesia, though when Suharto squashed that threat”

    Does anyone with an ounce of education and free thought actually believe that crock of pus anymore. Belly laughs all round, except for the hundreds of thousands who were slaughtered to satisfy a certain someone’s lust for power of course. Suharto was certainly involved but it wasn’t crushing a communist threat.

25. Pakmantri Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Read TheReal Cuba website for some insights into Castro’s despotism

    Seen it, and by the way this site is run in Miami by Cuban who reside in Miami, not so real is it.
    Have you see how bad all the western countries is portrayed by Al-Queda’s sites? Do you believe in that too?

    The Prison Memoirs of Armando Valladares in which he related the horrors he had endured and witnessed.

    So? If you are a political prisoner, specially if you are labeled as enemy of the state, does not matter where you are you’ll be treated much worse than the lowest criminal. Nothing new there, it is the risk of being the opposition.
    Read the prison memoir of “Sujinah” by Sujinah published by Lontar publication or Nelson Mandela’s you’ll find similar stories.

    And for Oigal: ………………. ha ha ha ha :-))

    By the way, I am an Indonesian born and raised in Indonesia and I believe in “Bhineka Tunggal Ika” and “Pancasila”, but has been labeled as a “red brigade”, but I am not bitter! :-))

    peace.

26. Ross Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    Well, it would be based outside Cuba, otherwise its people would be in jail or dead, right, Pakmantri? You seem to have little sympathy for victims of communism but at least you have the good grace to shrink from the cred label….as for Oigal, he seems unaware of the immense threat the PKI posed in 1965. A brief history course is prescribed, but alas he won’t use it. There are none so blind.

27. Peter Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 11:40 pm

    Peter wants to see only Indonesian posts, so what is he doing posting - is that a privilege only for bule bolshies?

    I don’t want to see only Indonesian posts, Ross. But if I am going to read a story spattered with such dubious opinionated rhetoric as this, I would at least like to have the comfort of knowing that it is an Indonesian’s point of view.

    And “bule bolshies”? Please leave the childish name-calling out of this forum, Ross. Let’s all be adults here, silahkan.

    Of course I’m not anti-Cuban

    You are right, Ross. I should have said ‘anti-Castro’ or ‘anti-Communist’.

    Thanks for your subjective opinion on my posting quality, Peter, and for your significant silence on dictatorship

    Ross, instead of just complaining about the sub-standard quality of this post, I will give you some advice about posting in the future. An appropriate way to go about posting this story would have been to use a format like this (which Patung uses all the time):

    1) Present what happened/is happening.
    (i.e. Metro TV’s Chinese news broadcast is focusing primarily on news from China)

    2) Present the statements or opinions of certain groups, public figures, etc. regarding what happened/is happening. (i.e. “Politician X said “____”, or “Many locals expressed concerns that ____…”)

    3) Let us all give our opinions.

    Instead, Ross, you have thoroughly interwoven your own (questionable) opinion into the story, and what’s more, you opportunistically used the story as a venue for various other rants about Communism, Castro, and Hispanic Americans. That, precisely, is why your post is of sub-standard quality.

28. Pakmantri Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 12:21 am

    Ross,
    I’ve been labeled as many things (mujahedeen, red-brigade, commies, nazi etc), I don’t give a rat-ass they only labels, my point was if you don’t want to be labeled by other do not put a label on to other.

    You read but only part that suit you, you listen but only hear what you wanted to hear, and you don’t read between the line, you have one track mind, and you have so much hatred and anger toward a certain group of people. You are ripe and ready to be radicalize, since you are not a Muslim you cannot be a jihadi although they hate commies too you know. Maybe a neo-nazi group or I know join my militiamen friends.

    And as for history class, which or whose history? Everybody has their own stories, who to believe?

    I am sorry, but I am moving on.

    peace.

29. Nenek Sihir Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 5:58 am

    Good on ya Peter, Oigal and others for taking on this goose also known as Ross, ‘crock of pus’ pretty much sums up many of his postings, the idea the Jak Post and Metro are pro ‘red’ (how very 1950s!) is just laughable, if certain elements of Indonesian society are getting far too left wing for you, well, you know where the airport is! You obviously also understand very little about issues concerning bilingualism and its importance in many communities around the world.

30. dewaratugedeanom Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    Couldn’t Metro TV Xin Wen at least for relayed broadcasts make Chinese language spoken programmes with subtitles in Bahasa Indonesia? This way everybody would be happy.

31. Ross Says:
    September 17th, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    Well, seems I’ve upset a few folks.
    Good! The poor impression many Indonesians have of bules is down largely to the fact that most website spouters are Jaksa-style teacher/NGO lefties, who lend credibility to the Jakarta Post’s frequent propagation of pro-PKI views. (and please don’t deny the JP is pro-PKI; I’ve lost count of the times they have published tendentious articles suggesting these evil exiles should be rehabilitated, despite the fact no whisper of repentance has ever been heard from most of them)
    Thus locals think we are all hostile to the Coalition’s liberation work in Iraq and Afghanistan.(and yes, I’d love to extend it to Cuba)
    Yes, some are trendy lefties, but many are not, and to be reviled for displaying dissent is a welcome tribute, given its sources.
    Why should expat posters be required to fit the neat little category approved by Peter? At least he makes literate points, unlike the awful Oigal, and the mysterious Nenek Vorkuta Sihir, who urges dissidents to leave the country! Wow, what a wowser!
    PS Peter, please rebuke Nenek for calling me a goose. What do geese do to merit her contumely? A few choice epithets ne’er go amiss, but let’s keep ‘em relevant.

32. Peter Says:
    September 17th, 2007 at 10:12 pm

    Ross, I would advise you to refer to Patung’s “Batam Radio” post to see how to do a news report with class and objectivity.

    Nenek was speaking to you Ross, so you can rebuke him if you want.

    The poor impression many Indonesians have of bules is down largely to the fact that most website spouters are Jaksa-style teacher/NGO lefties

    No Ross, I’d say the poor impression of bules in Indonesia is due to poor foreign policy decisions (i.e. occupying Iraq) coupled with the crude and lewd behavior of many bules who visit their country. Just a guess on my part.

33. Raden Says:
    September 17th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    I am in the opinion if TVRI over exposing how bad is Israeli army ransack the Palestinian, I think just to pleased the majority of Muslim indonesian audience. Given the limited 30 min of world news, it is always the case the TVRI tend to expose muslim pro diluted topics thus unbalance perspectives.
    Who care to stop Metro for their another version of unbalance perspective news? Should we stop finger pointing other media before our flagship TVRI can put neutral perspectives. The same blame on CNN and BBC’s daily propaganda.
    Who said there are truly fair broadcasting news ? Can we be more forgiven human being?

34. Ross Says:
    September 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    Thanks Peter, for revealing that nenek (grandma?) is male, and for your display of selective indignation re epithets..viz., your earlier comment ‘Please leave the childish name-calling out of this forum, Ross. Let’s all be adults here, silahkan.’
    But when your allies call me a goose - rather useful and graceful creatures, surely - and my comments are derided as ‘a bag of puss,’ you politely decline to criticise their abusive approach. Never mind, who needs consistency?

    Actually, it bothers me not a bit. Peter is correct when he says that lewd and crude bules do get all of us a bad name, but he is wrong to suggest that foreign policy decisions like that on the liberation of Iraq are a big issue. Among the JP red brigade, yes, but outside their ranks and the otherwise incompatible Islamic fanatics, most Indonesians surely have enough to worry about, e.g. food. housing, getting by, without joining the West-haters ( who draw encouragement from the Benedict Arnolds and Lord Haw Haws of the web.)

    Oh, yeah, somebody said I was very Fifties! Thanks…a decade when people didn’t use foul language in the presence of women, when we stood up for the National Anthem and deviants were not allowed to parade their aberrations as normal.
    I was just a wee lad then but I reckon it wasa pretty good time for the civilised world.

35. Peter Says:
    September 19th, 2007 at 6:13 am

    Ross, yes I mistakenly referred to Nenek as ‘him’.

    Besides that, the only thing I have to say is this:

    Kamu ada seperti katak dalam tempurung.

36. Ross Says:
    September 20th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    I’m bemused! What has transpired to make Peter stamp his little foot and call me names (albeit in Bahasa Indonesia rather than English) Only a week or so ago he was condemning my use of the trem ‘bolshie’ as name-calling, though it’s hardly abusive.
    Then his comrade called me a ‘goose (Dur? Is this age-ism?) ‘ and suddenly Peter himself opts for the low road and denounces me as a frog!
    Was it my eulogy of that glorious decade, the Fifties, or my evocation of long-dead renegades like William Joyce or the unlamented Mr. Arnold? I could have used more modern equivalents, like ‘Hanoi Jane’ Fonda or that wretched Sheehan woman, whose bereavement, in contrast to many brave mothers who lose sons in their country’s cause, now impels her to embrace, and be embraced by, terrorists. It is one thing to argue for or against a policy decision but giving aid and comfort to the enemy when our troops are in harm’s way is abominable. Iraq’s democratically elected government is under attack by savages, who slither about amongst the civilian population then let their sympathisers raise hell when civilians die as a result.
    Iraq’s people have freely chosen their government, which wants our help. We can stay the course and provide it, or repeat the mistakes of Vietnam and succumb to the liberal media’s demands that we cut and run. At least we won’t have to worry so much about MIAs this time, because Al Qaeda tends to behead its captives, even keeping the heads as souvenirs. The Taliban execute civilian philanthropists, whereas Coalition forces put their own servicemen on trial for abuses and punish them severely. The people we are fighting are enemies of the entire civilized world, not just America or the U.K. or Australia.
    Do the peaceniks truly imagine that scuttling out of the war-zones will result in an end to terror bombings in the West, or indeed here in Indonesia?
    The zoological form of insult is all very well, but doesn’t get us very far. Peter’s bitter ripostes present an interesting case study. Since it is becoming boring to repeat the same arguments about Metro TV, perhaps we should consider his disturbed condition.

37. Peter Says:
    September 21st, 2007 at 9:03 am

    Ha

38. pj_bali Says:
    September 22nd, 2007 at 6:10 pm

    As usual I’m late to this discussion

    I would guess that most Chinese Indonesians are perfectly capable of understanding news in bahasa Indonesia. As there are at least seven or eight news programs on every morning, why would they want to sit through the same news programs regurgitated into mandarin? Easier just to read the news in bahasa and print chinese subtitles. They probably watch it because the programs are outside the normal stories of drug busts and bus accidents which seem to make up most of the indonesian news. TV programs depend on advertising dollars so its possible that the news format in metro xin wen is preferred by the target market - I mean if chinese -indonesians don’t like the show they wouldn’t watch it, the ad revenue would dry up and we would be watching barney the dinosaur at 08:05 (bali time) instead of metro xin wen.

    I don’t imagine many pribumis even watch metro xin wen - most likely they flip channel when it comes on. To claim that the show reinforces certain bias that pribumis may hold toward ethnic chinese is simply because it has some programming that is outside local interest is simply unfounded.

39. Oigal Says:
    September 22nd, 2007 at 8:00 pm

    It was a crock of pus not a bag, a bag we could tie and it would not spill over and soil us all.

    Tee hee, first time I have been called left wing as well, I am about as right wing as a reasonable person could be (emphasis on the reasonable). However,any account of history will reveal the PKF were the lambs to the slaughter for someone’s else’s lust for power (See Time for details). Now perhaps the PKF would have mounted a serious challenge later but it certainly was NOT the case at that time. The crock man is not seriously trying to justify the thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) that were slaughtered during that time is he?

    And this “deviants were not allowed to parade their aberrations as normal.” is just plain scary and character telling. What makes it as a deviant our learned one.

    Homosexuals, greenies, commies, democrats, or perhaps its those dang uppity coloured peoples, or maybe its those of us who have soiled the gene pool by mixed marriages. Who decides the deviant Ross, you?

    Personally, I could not care less, who parades what as long as it doesn’t harm me or others.

    Have fun in the shallow end.

40. Ross Says:
    September 24th, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    PJ in Bali actually makes some useful criticisms of my original point, and I grant that he may be correct in his conclusion that, whatever the wisdom of its content, Metro’s Chinese-language news probably does not matter greatly to pribumis, or even to ethnic Chinese! My first post was merely a random comment on the thing.
    However, Red Oigal (how can such a manipulator of history be other than a lefty?) appears unaware of the immensity of the PKI threat. They had 11,000,000 people in the party and its various puppet fronts and Sukarno had allowed them into the highest levels of authority.
    It was a shame that a lot of poor peasants got the chop, duped into marxist agrarian affiliates, but let’s not grieve for the Gerwanis and the intellectuals. They were educated folk who knew what communism does to any country it gets. They were eager to subject Indonesia to the same. Shed no tears.
    As for deviants, Oigal is not only red but a bit soft on pink power, if he thinks that perverts are normal. And why does he dislike mixed marriages and coloured people. Race has not been an argument here so far.
    No, I don’t decide the deviant. Nature did that, or God, if you prefer. Up till thirty years ago, when the cultural marxists started making it fashionable to be rancid, nobody quibbled with the common sense (and essential basis for human survival) idea that boys like girls and it works rather well.
    That is an issue Indonesia will soon have to face, as trendy lefty scribblers like Julia Suryakusuma have begun softening up public opinion for perv marriage and even aberrant adoption. Jakarta Post, not long ago.
    Let’s hope Christians and Muslims can put aside their conflicts and fight decadence together.

41. Oigal Says:
    September 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    Well there you have Joe MaCarthy lives..

    Now now..naughty Joe (Sorry Ross).. you know its not nice to misquote! Particularly when readers can just go up a couple of posts and read for themselves, you just end up looking foolish (well more so anyway)

    “why does he dislike mixed marriages and coloured people.”

    Now I never said that did I naughty Joe…? Laugh.. tsk tsk a homophobe a bit of a fibber as well huh..
    Weren’t you ever taught its not nice to misrepresent people..

    Back to my question, who decides who or what is deviant? Once again Joe/Ross/Freddy Nile ..whatever ..seeing how you have decided to speak for Nature and or God and that’s a pretty powerful bit of name dropping the least you your letter of appointment from Nature and God as the eternal spokesman..

    I do like your turn of phrase when dismissing the deaths of 400,000 plus people..

    “It was a shame that a lot of poor peasants got the chop”

    I guess we see things different a shame is when I get a flat tyre on the way to work, its a shame when some one farts and shits themselves. Its NOT A SHAME but a crime against humanity when hundreds of thousands of people are slaughtered just because they happened to think things could be better another way.

    See I guess if I had that letter of appointment from nature to accuse someone of being deviant, then the way you just write off hundreds of thousands of human lives as “a shame” then i would nominate that as fairly repugnant and deviant behaviour..and far more threating to others than some guy or girl who happens to have a dollar each way as consenting adults.

    Seriously tho, I have to thank you. I really thought all you “reds under the beds” guys had died off, along with such classics as the domino theory. Its been fun!

42. Peter Says:
    September 24th, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    Ha and Ha.

    Ross is like the Neo-con version of Achmad Sudarsono.. except not as intelligent or funny.

43. Ross Says:
    September 25th, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    That dim-wit Oigal actually described non-whites as ‘dang uppity coloured people’ and he talked of ’soiling the gene pool by mixed marriage.’ His throw-away lines are clearly racist, and so how did I misrepresent him? Or was he trying to be humorous- hard to tell when he makes such fatuous comments in every post.
    His reference to Revd. Nile suggests Oigal is one of those crass Aussies who bring their country into disrepute overseas by espousing all the worst forms of political correctness whilst allowing their slurry slang -’dang uppity’ etc - to show their real feelings.
    Happily there are many more decent Australians who bring credit to Australia’s name by being proud of their flag and heritage.
    I don’t claim to speak for God or Nature, nor do they need me to speak for them. One draws logical conclusions from the fact that ‘gays’ spread diseases and are ipso facto sterile in their life-style. Hence their avid demands for adoption rights, to bring helpless kids into co-habiting deviant households.
    It is simply a matter of common sense and common decency that perversion is repulsive. Catholics, Anglicans and presbyterians tend to agree with Muslims on that issue, or try mating two roosters and see what sort of chook results, mate.
    Peter of course just sits back in arm-chair critic pose and let’s Oigal take the gutter route of attack, and neither of them has crocodile tears in sufficiency for Cuban or Vietnamese victims of communism, only for the Reds who reaped a whirl-wind in Indonesia.

44. Oigal Says:
    September 25th, 2007 at 4:36 pm

    Its all a bit beyond you isn’t Ross? Still enough is enough, a battle of wits with you is like fighting an unarmed man.

    Ross, Ross, Ross,

    Now even you in your demented rage, must know the quoting someone out of context is just a little bit naughty.

    But it sounds as if you are getting on a bit, maybe the memory is fading so here (in context) was my question to you, which you have failed to answer..

    “What makes it as a deviant our learned one.

    Homosexuals, greenies, commies, democrats, or perhaps its those dang uppity coloured peoples, or maybe its those of us who have soiled the gene pool by mixed marriages. Who decides the deviant Ross, you”

    Before I go though. Do tell, so we all know. Who else is not fit to share the planet with you then? So far, its the communists (or those thought to be communists, apparently its just a shame if few hundred thousand die, as long as we get the right ones as well), the gays, ok who else.

    So is that is it?? Come on..tell the truth, people like you normally have whole bag (oops crock) of people who don’t fit your world.

    You have come this far, you might as well, as they say, come out of the closet.

45. Ross Says:
    September 27th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    You choose to use racist language in what presumably passes for irony in your retarded circles. Don’t blame me for quoting it back at you. You also manage to avoid any attempt to dispute my brief references to the evils of communism, which are a matter of historical record. (admittedly, you seem not to have much grasp of history) So you know the truth but won’t speak up on it. Reds are vermin. Isn’t that clear enough?

    You no doubt condemn numerous ‘isms’ but delve about for ‘age-ist’ jibes. I’m old enough to shrug off such nonsense.

    You actually have no real arguments, apart from your own prejudices, viz. that abnormals are normal. Very good, laddie. Keep up the good brain-work.

    As for who isn’t fit to share the planet, let’s hope our local Attorney General offers us a seasonal treat and removes Amrozi from this sphere. Or do your left-lib hangups even preclude hanging or shooting (too easy, shooting) the Bali Beasts.-

    I am taking a break far Ramadan -if you have calmed down, we may resume this dialogue in November.

46. Oigal Says:
    September 28th, 2007 at 7:50 am

    Tsk tsk. That really is primary school stuff, avoid the question by misdirection!! I will keep this very short for you ok.

    Its really a very simple question..try very very hard to stay focused ok:

    Who else makes into your list of Deviants (although I notice, vermin and abnormals as also your words of choice)? See easy huh..just simply clarify YOUR classification.

47. Ross Says:
    September 28th, 2007 at 11:45 am

    How many names does this hot-tempered little chappie use? No matter, more important, who does he think he is to seek to interrogate people who are still waiting for him to defend his use of racist language, he asked who needs weeded out, I told him Amrozi and Co, and asked if he agreed, but again the gutless galah cops out.
    As for who is deviant, even he has to know that queers are, and psychopaths, and terrorists, and many others. Some are more dangerous than others. Terrs should of course be executed, but queers can apply for a cure, if they really want to live a decent life. As for psychos, perhaps our multinominal tantrum-thrower can give us some personal insights.
    NOW - trot off, little man, I am taking a break till next month, There are more fun ways to spend holidays than this.

48. Oigal Says:
    September 28th, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    Laugh.. Can’t even be honest with yourself

    I am taking a break far Ramadan -if you have calmed down, we may resume this dialogue in November….

    This must be the shortest Ramadan ever recorded.
    LMFAO

    Tsk Tsk..see I can come out of the closet..Oigal is my real name honest!!!..laugh.your turn

    Hot tempered who me?…laugh..

    Lets see… We have…

    does this hot-tempered little chappie

    followed by

    who does he think he is to seek to interrogate people who are still waiting for him to defend his use of racist language

    mmm.. Well someone sounds like they are getting hot tempered but it ain’t me..but you have already answered your own question (its that memory thing again isn’t it)

    You choose to use racist language in what presumably passes for irony in your retarded circles.

    Well I thought it was certainly ironic but hey maybe I was wrong, perhaps way too subtle. Although if you are going to attack someone about using provocative terms, then perhaps referring to the term retarded to denote unworthy is tad silly (then again maybe in the world of reds under bed…)

    Now in your “Big book of Debates circa 1962″ they would have told you about the Strawman defence but it really has gone out of style and lacks intellect. Throwing up a gimme like “Terrorists as evil” is just that a gimme.

    You and I and everyone else knows what the question was of course you then compound the issue with

    “queers are, and psychopaths, and terrorists, and many others”

    Ok, so lets keep the strawman gimme, just for you..So queers belong in the same box as psychopaths, terrorists and (the really scary) many others? By the way you left out the communists? Have you gone over to the dark side?

    Its obvious you have no intention through inability or something else (and we all know what). However it would be interesting to know what makes up a “Many Others”

    I am assuming that by taking a Ramadan break, you are Muslim (?) if so be a bit careful if you go and see Fred Nile;

    Last month prominent conservative Christian politician Fred Nile issued a press release with these words emblazoned across the top: “No More Muslims

    See that last paragraph is called misdirection…easy really

    queers can apply for a cure, if they really want to live a decent life.

    That is so very big of you.. Geez..One can only imagine what your cure would be but I am sure millions of homosexuals the world over are relieved they can be cured.

    Meanwhile the dim-wit, left-lib, gutless galah, little man (that would me, I guess) shall as we say in the collective “TROT-SKY off..

    Sleep tight tonight..your neocon is awake..

49. Achmad Sudarsono Says:
    September 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    Ross,

    I wouldn’t worry about it. Oigal tried to use the same set of tricks on me a year ago when I unmasked his white supremacist agenda. The one who’s stuck in 1962 is Oigal — probably because it’s the last time he had sexual contact with another two-legged mammal - I didn’t say human mind you.

    Actually, folks, on second thoughts, I’m going to have to let Ross have it after reading his crypto-moronic rants which make me look wiser and more reasonable than a genetic cross of Plato, the Dalai Lama, and Martin Luther King.

    Ross: there’s only one refutation for you: grow an appendage.

50. Oigal Says:
    September 28th, 2007 at 9:09 pm

    Shiit.

    No I am a dim-witted, left-lib, gutless galah, homosexual, white supremacist, little man.

    That’s actually a fairly unusual set of personality traits, Bugger me, I am deep on so many levels. Although I was way too young to have sex with you Assmad in 1962, perhaps you are mixing me up with that fun night you had in the FPI dorm as the pass around.

51. Achmad Sudarsono Says:
    September 29th, 2007 at 9:23 am

    Oigal,

    Please stick to the post and avoid making personal abuse: I don’t think the readers of this blog are interested in wild accusations. Anyway, the real focus here should be Ross.

    Ross

    And while we’re at it, Ross - what’s your point? Can you sum it up in a 100 words or less — just a couple of paragraphs.

52. Janma Says:
    September 29th, 2007 at 11:56 am

    Ono said: “Actually, folks, on second thoughts, I’m going to have to let Ross have it after reading his crypto-moronic rants which make me look wiser and more reasonable than a genetic cross of Plato, the Dalai Lama, and Martin Luther King.”

    Now see, that had me going too! I was wondering… is this the same Achmad we know and …. well that we know?

53. Jakartass Says:
    September 29th, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    Hi folks.

    I’ve just dropped in so I can receive an email if someone replies.

    This thread is much like rubber-necking a traffic accident - fun to watch but glad I’m not involved. So, please keep it going through bulan puasa.

54. Achmad Sudarsono Says:
    September 30th, 2007 at 6:43 pm

    All My Friend,

    If you’re going to post moronic rants, at least make them consistent - so they can be rebutted. The problem with Ross is he’s totally schizoid. Just what does he think - please - I want to know!

55. riccardo Says:
    September 30th, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    Actually, I’m doing the same thing as Jakartass, but would like to add, in response to the original topic, that Metro’s Mandarin news is geared largely toward MANDARIN-SPEAKING EXPAT businesspeople from a handful of countries, who are living/working in Indonesia.

    There are at least as many of Mandarin-speaking expats as there are English-speaking one, if not many more — and they’re spending power is likely equivalent.

    In fact, most estimates put at 10% to 20% the number of Chinese-Indonesians that understand Mandarin well enough that they’d be able to understand the Metro broadcast.

    All of which means that it’s irrelevant for anyone to suggest that the Xin Wen broadcast is against the ideals to Pancasila or “unity in diversity”.

56. Achmad Sudarsono Says:
    October 1st, 2007 at 8:51 am

    Besides, the better the world, including Indonesia, understands China the better. I’m sure most of the rakyat would prefer a job than sticking to outdated Soeharto-era interpretations of the Pancasila. Jobs can come from exporting to China. Besides, I question how ‘organic’ or grass roots the racism towards Chinese has been — alot of the time it’s been stirred up for political reasons. Not saying it’s not there. Just that it’s not what it always seems to state the obvious to readers of this forum.

57. Oigal Says:
    October 1st, 2007 at 10:29 am

    Geez, so many bystanders. Score cards please, laugh.

58. Ross Says:
    October 1st, 2007 at 11:37 am

    A sudden rush of posts, so am resisting the urge to take a break.

    The original point was a mild comment on the content of Metro’s Chinese morning news. Then suddenly I was beset by aggressive pinkoes. For defending myself, I have been called a frog, a goose, and all manner of choice epithets… yet I have to laugh at the mentality. Why does Ogle think I am irate?
    I type all these offerings calmly and deliberately.

    How many types of deviant does Ogle need? Why does he need them? When I suggested terrorists as a form of undesirable deviant, in answer to his wish, he flew off his short little handle again, and eschewed the chance to agree to the death penalty for the Bali Beasts. is he ashamed of his stance on capital punishment, whatever it may be?

    Ogle is merely another posting person among many, not entitled to dictate the terms of the argument. I have answered his questions, those that are coherent. Yet he shrinks like a pink violet from answering mine.

    My views are quite obvious, anti-communist, anti-terrorist, anti-deviant. They are conservative opinions, not unusual except to Ogle’s trendy lefty libs and those worse than them, such as the odd fellow who thinks we need to grow appendages, in his case, an internal one known as a brain?

59. Oigal Says:
    October 2nd, 2007 at 10:21 am

    Oh Ross,

    Ogle is merely another posting person among many, not entitled to dictate the terms of the argument.

    Says who.. you? Laugh..You post a piece of wallop on a public forum and then go on to make simply absurd comments

    It was a shame that a lot of poor peasants got the chop

    as an example of the full weight of your sympathy for 300,000-500,000 people dead in the name of an elites power play.

    And expect to dictate the response. Free Press a novel concept too huh?

    You deserve nothing that you have not got! I could be wrong but I certainly don’t see a swag of posters coming out in support for you. (it’s not paranoia if they are really all out to get you.)

    The fact you are incapable of debating without the aid of Strawmen and misdirection means someone has to define the terms of discussion or within three posts, we will be debating the Kennedy Conspiracy.

    Is it actually possible you really don’t get it? You views are obvious, you are a bigot.

    All you have even been asked is to define your classification of Deviant, to which you came back with the emotive but not relevant strawman of Terrorist (Which is a red herring as well you know, although I note you have now nominated three classifications - communists, terrorists and deviants). Your fluid classifications are the hallmark of a bigot..some classics..deviants or the ever popular “many others”.

    By your own admission then, homosexuals, terrorists and communists are all the same (except homosexuals can be cured apparently..ho di ho). No other group you wish to add, single or unwed mothers perhaps..or worse us left wing trendies (cool I have never been called left wing or trendy before..times do change), perhaps greens..

    Remember our discussion on misdirection Ross, we are not talking about the death penalty here nor terrorists (there are any number of other threads you can do that) We are talking about what makes your list of deviants and a later classification of “many others” very hitlerese, perhaps it was those “retarded” ones you referred to in an earlier post, I really hope that was just an incredibly stupid choice of words and not another sicko stance

    Ross, this is boring now….fortunately your type are dinosaurs.. don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

    Someone else can poke Roscoe with sticks now, he now officially the world’s most boring and out of date human (I use the term in the generic sense only).

60. Ross Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 1:32 pm

    On my way to the airport when I saw Wee Robbie Ogle’s typically childish opt-out.
    “a load of wallop,’ ’strawmen,’ ‘hitlerese’ ‘dinosaur.’
    Very incisive intellect at work, and he’s still trying to tell us what we may discuss. The post was about Chinese-language tv, and was drifting along fairly harmlessly until the self-defining ’sac of pus’ joined in. Hard to debate when it requires wallowing in a mental pigsty with the likes of Ogle. All he wants is a definitive list of deviations, like a schoolboy looking for the ‘dirty words’ in a novel - let him use his pocket dictionary of English, and let him not try to stop us moving on to the highly topical issue of the death penalty, which I raised to see if he fitted the check-off list of pinko hang-ups (they all hate the idea of killing terrorists, though terrs who do the killing don’t bother them so much, as it is all down to ‘injustice’ and crap like that)
    Achmad, if you really are Indonesian, don’t hang about with creepoids like Ogle, he’s an unwholesome bule. And study psychiatry too, as calling me schizoid is odd. Do you even know what it means?
    Anyway, it’s been mildy diverting to flutter the dovecotes of perv/pink pusillanimity but as Ogle, for once truly, says, it’s gotten boring. Bye bye. Till next time.

61. Tinkerbell Says:
    November 2nd, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    My fellow Muslim Indonesians,

    If one could read the depth of this message, Ross was trying to caution us on the Asian Jews’ conspiracy. The Red army is part of worldwide crusaders trying to usurp us stealthily, and what better way to do it through medias which we don’t understand.

    Jihad on standby.

    Peace.

    If you read this quote, well, this one makes the term “jihad” really sucks.

    Wake up dude……….

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