Learning Islam

Aug 7th, 2007, in IM Posts, by

Indonesian Muslims still have some way to go in learning Islam.

The minister of religion, Maftuh Basyuni said on 4th August that Islam did not teach violence or radicalism, and radicalism could not be allowed to flourish Indonesia because most people were opposed to it and it had no basis in the Quran. He advised people to not only read the Quran a lot but to learn it and understand it.

Maftuh Basyuni
Maftuh Basyuni, jealous obsession.

Muslims must also give room for people of other religions, he said, because in the Quran it was written: "for you your religion, for me my religion".

He was speaking in Ciawi, West Java, after laying the foundation stone for a printing press building that will be the first centre of Quran printing production in Indonesia, costing 26 billion rupiah to build and expected to produce about one million copies by the end of 2007.

My obsession is that within two years it will be printing five million copies a year.

He admitted to being jealous that Indonesia was the biggest centre of Bible production in south-east Asia, and hoped that the press could produce cheap, pocked-sized Qurans so that people could learn Islam anywhere. antara

Meanwhile in Jakarta former president Megawati Soekarnoputri, not ordinarily known as an authority on religion, spoke on a similar theme after appointing the first office-bearers of the PDI-P's new Muslim political wing Baitul Muslimin Indonesia (Bamusi, BMI).

Megawati Soekarnoputri
Megawati Soekarnoputri, there's more to life than shopping.

She said it was peculiar now that Indonesia had entered an era of democracy and respect of human rights that some people went about committing violence in the name of Islam. The founding fathers in 1945 knew that sectarian conflicts were dangerous because they weakened the country and allowed colonialists a foot in the door. The violence that had occurred in Central Sulawesi, the Moluccas, and West Kalimantan should serve as motivation for Indonesian Muslims to learn what Islam was really about, she said. mediaindo


306 Comments on “Learning Islam”

  1. avatar Sputjam says:

    As I understand it, messages in the koran has nothing to do with religion but invites mankind to His system.
    The koran is not a book on religious rituals but a guide to being righteous.

  2. avatar Chris says:

    Indonesian Muslims still have some way to go in learning Islam.

    Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to stop a minority of Muslims (who clearly need to learn more about Islam) acting in ways that antagonise followers of other religions. This only discredits their own religion, which is sad.

    He admitted to being jealous that Indonesia was the biggest centre of Bible production in south-east Asia

    Since when is the Minister of Religion allowed to be partisan towards one religion? Of course, we shouldn’t be surprised; he has made biased statements e.g. telling Ahmaddiyah followers to “leave Islam”, which only results in their further persecution.

  3. avatar Tomaculum says:

    Guys, guys,
    have a little bit pity!
    As far as I know one needs a certain IQ grade to learn something, so don’t be despiteful and debase them ….

  4. avatar Dawud Farquhar says:

    Islam is one. The only Islam that is acceptable to the masses is the Islam that was brought, taught and practised and understood by the earliest generation of Muslims who drank directly from the fountain of Prophethood. Any other innovations and deviations are not only detrimental to Muslim unity, they are also the cause for our downfall. Until we return to our Deen fully and sincerely, the woeful condition of the Ummah shall remain as such.

  5. avatar KSJ says:

    I guess Indonesian Muslims should learn about democratic values not religious ones. Religion leads to extremism which should be avoided. Indonesia is a very religious country but that didn’t help the country to come out of the deep economic crises during the late 90’s. Can’t you see? Or maybe you’re too blinded by religious fairy tales?

  6. avatar cody says:

    I am currently doing research on Indonesia and the effects that Islam has and continues to have on its politics. We all know that Indonesia is a very religious country and I am curious to learn more about the effects that its major religion is having on its poltical choices internally.
    thank you,
    a concerned student.

  7. avatar JKS says:

    I understand from life experience that Indonesian moslems who learn Islam deeply became arabic than arabian themself, at the end they will dislike or hate Christians , Jews and Chinese.
    I prefer to interact with moslem ´KTP´ which are more tolerant to others who have different skin colour, nationality and religion.

  8. avatar Dawud Farquhar says:

    Islam transcends all nationalities, race and political state boundaries. Islamaphobes will rear their ugly heads whenever they get an opportunity to debase a faith that they fear. Indonesian Muslims are currently on a path of religious educational awakening and cultivation upon the authentic sources of Islam that have more to do with their faith than their culture.

    Tolerance is a by-product of correct understanding and practise of Islam and never a reflection of those who claim to be adherents of it yet fail to reflect it in their words and deeds. Indonesia has a very real potential of becoming an examplary Muslim society once it loses its superstitious and cultural baggage, some of which contradicts Islam.

  9. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Ass. Dawud Farquhar

    I couldn’t agree more with you, brother Dawud. Indonesia’s brand of Islam, Kejawen Islam, should be exported to all Islamic countries for peace sake. A mix of peaceful Javanese and Hindu beliefs had perfected our Islam since its early introduction by the Wali Songo. Many overseas muslims are surprised by Javanese muslims unperturbed attitude toward apostates, tolerant of other faiths and non-halal eating choice. Earlier last year, our NU representatives were sent to broker peace between Muslims sects in Iraq. It will be an honour if you could help spread our peaceful Kejawen Islam to your country. By the way, which country are you from?

    Wasalam.

  10. avatar wayan sudirta says:

    This is what we are looking for; living in harmony hand in hand. If we have such understanding, Iam sure there is no “terror” among us.

  11. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Mas Wayan Sudirta,

    I see there is a worldwide trend to reform Islam and they seemed to be going nowhere. If only they had consulted us in the first place, the Islamic world would not be in such a shamble. We have all to thank Hinduism and Buddhism for instilling the peace in Javanese Islam. I can only say this much for Central and East Java, as Kejawen islam is more pronounced in these provinces.

    There is still a dimmer of hope as more and more overseas Muslims like brother Dawud Farquhar and ‘Muslims Against Shariah’ are intrigued by our brand of Islam; perhap here to learn from our Mojopahitan ulamas and reapply it back home.

    Wasalam.

  12. avatar Pakmantri says:

    Pak Aluang,

    With you, sir ……… :D

    Peace.

  13. avatar dawud farquhar says:

    Aluang Anak Bayang please kindly refrain from distorting my words as I did not mean what you assumed. Allah says in the Qur’an: “This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion.” [Qur’an 5:3] – Here Allah speaks about perfecting our religion of Islam. When something is ‘perfect’ it does not need anything else to be added to it or anything taken away from it.

    Kejawen Islam is an innovation and a pollution to our revealed Deen and it cannot be accepted in any shape or form. The only solution to the social ills of Muslim societies and moral decay and corruption is simply by returning back to Islam in its totality.

    The revival movements in Indonesia and elsewhere are beginning to make a impact and steering the way for education by which Muslims can identify their faith by going back to the authentic sources that establish Islam. Our salvation lies in understanding and practising Islam in the manner it was understood and practised by the Prophet and his Companions. There is no other Islam other than their Islam and no solutions other that the solution that Allah has given us in His Book and the Prophet has given us through his Sunnah.

    I hope this clarifies my earlier position.

    Wassalaam,
    Dawud.

  14. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Ass. dawud farquhar,

    I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were here to praise Indonesia peaceful Islam.

    Kejawen Islam is an innovation and a pollution to our revealed Deen and it cannot be accepted in any shape or form. …

    To call another faith a pollutant is a very bold statement indeed. May I know what brand of ‘perfect’ Islam you were refering to?

    Wasalam.

  15. avatar tomaculum says:

    Kejawen Islam is an innovation and a pollution to our revealed Deen and it cannot be accepted in any shape or form.
    I wonder how dawud farguhar would react if someone write that Islam is a pollution to Indonesian culture (Indonesian? Javanese? Sundanese? Batak? Papuan? Hmmmm ….) and that it cannot be accepted.
    Btw: what is Kejawen Islam?

    May I know what brand of ‘perfect’ Islam you were refering to?
    I think you know the answer very well, Aluang. :)
    One of the criteria is (maybe) “not accepting Kejawen Islam”.

  16. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Friend toma,

    I am sure you know Javanese are born leaders, but you don’t really need to follow me around for wisdom.

    Anyway, re brother dawud farquhar, I am interested to know his heritage and the ‘revealed deen’ he mentioned.

    Re,

    Btw: what is Kejawen Islam?

    Kejawen Islam or Javanese Islam is practised by most Javanese. Our most famous adherents are Bu Megawati and Almahhum Pak Karno. Infact, all past and present presidents, and all Javanese elites and top officials are Kejawen believers. (Note that Javanese never lose their identity. We are the only muslims that don’t carry Arab names.)

    In Indonesia, we simply called ourselves ‘devouted Muslims’. The real difference is that, unlike mainstream Islam, we do not murder daughters, kill apostates, wives swap, call non-muslim kaffir, etc. We don’t give a damn if a family member believes in another faith.

    Our devouted Muslims will never resort to compulsion, nor any kind of physical or psychological pressure. Neither will we use any worldly privilege to turn someone towards Islam. When we receive a negative response, we say “To you your religion, and to me, mine” (Surat al- Al-Kafirun: 6). I call on brother dawud farquhar to be a devouted muslim just like us.

    I am a Javanese muslim. Hey, one day we can meet up at macka for a double bacon cheese burger.

    Salam.

  17. avatar tomaculum says:

    Aluang,
    as you mentioned in one of your profound comments: only the white man is my master. So don’t worry about it, I wouldn’t dare to steal your “wisdom”. :)

    Aluang,
    according to the books written by my masters and missus, there is no Kejawen Islam, maybe you mean Islam abangan?
    Kejawen is, as you surely know, the Javanese way of life in which some believes (or call it religion) are adapted and integrated in their original faith, like Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and some other.
    Those Kejawen people, like my passed Chinese father and my Javanese mother, live their Javanese life with differing accentuation according to their origin culture.
    Some of them pray to their ancestors with hinduistic ritual, like my mother, which – respecting the tradition of her man (my father) – also performing the buddhist-confucianism ritual. Once a year she visits the tomb of her mother (my mbah putri) for “nyekar”. We start our pray with “Bismillah ….” and in our prays you will find sentences like “Hong humaluhu ….” etc.
    My Javanese best friend tends to Islam and he is doing Sholat 5 times a day.
    After all they are Javanese or avowed Javanese.
    Maybe is it better to say just Kejawen, because this word express the tolerance more than “other”.

    Wish you much Kejawen spiritual enlightments in 2008 and furthermore, Aluang.

  18. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Darn toma, you are a bug.

    According to what was told by my grandparent, I stand corrected, Kejawen Islam adherents are called Abangan. ‘Abangan’ is not a popular name because of its association with komunis. Many were murdered by simply calling themselves ‘Abangan’. That word is obsolete in Javanese vocab..

  19. avatar iamisaid says:

    Hi Anak Aluang Bayang,

    I am a Javanese muslim

    How many variations of Muslims are there in Indonesia?

    which also brings forth my next question.

    How many variations of Islam are there in Indonesia?

    Me asking these questions to better my understanding of the country that I visit so often.

    Thank you.

  20. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    My Javanese best friend tends to Islam and he is doing Sholat 5 times a day.
    After all they are Javanese or avowed Javanese.

    During my uni years overseas living in Indonesian students hostel, I have not yet come across one Javanese muslim who don’t mind eating pork eventhough they know it is haram. Usually the more religious ones are the Madurese or the Achehnese students. I even caught a Madurese room mate of mine with pork char siow in his lunch box. He never missed his sholat. Apparently his Chinese gf was feeding him and he was later addicted.

  21. avatar iamisaid says:

    Hi Anak Aluang Bayang,

    I have not yet come across one Javanese muslim who don’t mind eating pork eventhough they know it is haram.

    That surprises. I am saying so not from being judgemental.

    Do the Javanese Muslims (who eat pork) do it openly?
    In light of what you say, do the Javanese Muslim religious teachers close one eye to non adherence to one of Islam’s teachings?

  22. avatar tomaculum says:

    Aluang,
    I think the correct word is “Islam Kejawen”, describe better the basic idea of the javanese way of life influenced by Islam (like Hindu Kejawen, Buddha Kejawen etc).
    Abangan is in fact not popular, but there was times in which we were proud to say “abangan” as a protest statement against the discrimination.
    Some of my relatives and friends were victims of those murdering you told above.
    My best javanese friend doesn’t eat pork, but he doesn’t adjidge pork eater.
    That is Kejawen:)

  23. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    @ iamisaid and tomaculum,

    I am not an expert in Islam demography in Indonesia, but I know that we are different. At least, I know Mas Khafi, Sputjam and I have different version. I am more liberal as my family was Muslim by birth.

    In May last year, I was in Yogya having anjing goreng feast with several member of the local police force. They were all muslims. It was also the first time I tasted dog meat. Of course, no one do it openly, and some of those who told us it was haram took bite size out of curiosity. Others simply laughed at us, and came up with recipes they said they tried.

    Also I said I ‘caught’ my Madurese room mate because he was a student monitor, and he had doped on me and my friend many months earlier.

  24. avatar tomaculum says:

    Hi iamisaid,
    don’t let yourself being fooled by Aluang,
    most of the javanese Moslems (Islam Kejawen or “true” Moslem) don’t like pork, many of them sicken from thinking about or smelling pork.
    I wonder if Aluang is really a Javanese man/boy. I think the word “Aluang” comes from West Sumatra (Ranah Minang) and possibly a titular.
    :)

  25. avatar dawud farquhar says:

    Aluang writes:

    >> I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were here to praise Indonesia peaceful Islam.

    Islam is peaceful by its nature and peace is one of the factors that are experienced when practising Islam on a personal level and on a societal level. As Muslims we must take everything in its proper context and realise that the same Islam that teaches peace and patience is also a missionary religion and encourages da’wah. When Muslims are attacked and when Islam is threatened then the Qur’an and the Sunnah and classical texts explain how Muslims are obliged to defend themselves. Defense has many aspects, it could be spiritual defense against our own souls, it means oral defense by the use of our tongue and it means physical defense by our hands. Islam is a complete way of life that incorporates every facet of social, political, economic and other forms of governance. It is wrong to think that we can somehow twist and turn Islam into a mould that we want it to be and we want to apply it… This is a misnomer amongst those who have a narrow-minde way of thinking.

    >> To call another faith a pollutant is a very bold statement indeed.

    Another faith? I thought we were speaking about Islam? I respect every faith and you are welcome to believe whatever you want to, however you cannot change the meaning and message of Islam and still continue to call it ‘Islam’. This is actually what I found amusing when secularists and so-called ‘progressives’ were trying to lobby the Jakarta government to respect freedom of religion and not declare the Qadiyani/Ahmadiyah community and other weirdos as heretics. The point they clearly miss is that when someone calls themselves ‘Muslim’ and calls their religion ‘Islam’ then it is a matter for the Muslim authorities to deal with heresy and misinterpretations and apparent ignorance of those who speak in the name of Islam.

    >> May I know what brand of ‘perfect’ Islam you were refering to?

    Islam is not a brand, it is singular and all of it has been clarified by the sciences of our Deen. Nothing is left to the imagination or to our desires. The perfect Islam is that which was revealed to the Messenger who brought the message. He was the one that received the guidance and he is the one who explained it and practised it as it should be practised. He’s understanding is the only understand because he’s authority transcends all. He’s closest of Sahabah took this guidance directly from the fountain of his Prophethood and practised and taught it to others. And this isnaad (unbroken chain of knowledge) continues to this day. The Prophet (pbuh) said: “…My community (i.e. Muslims) will divide into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one.” The people asked him: “And which one will that be O Messengr of Allah?” He replied: “The one that follows what I and my Companions are upon now.”

    This criteria is very easy and simple to understand as it contains a basic formula “The one that follows what I and my Companions are upon now.” Look around you and see how many sects and splitting there are and have been in the history of Islam, yet there will always remain one group of Muslims who will continuously struggle to revive the same message and take all ideas and rulings back to the Messenger and his Sahabah. They are the ones that explamply the sources of Islam.

    >> Kejawen Islam or Javanese Islam is practised by most Javanese.

    Islam is only one, there may be different variants of it, but essentially it remains the same at all time and place. Simply by adding ‘Kejawen’ or ‘Javanese’ or any other word before or after it does not make it Islam as per say. This takes me back to what I discussed above…

    >> The real difference is that, unlike mainstream Islam, we do not murder daughters, kill apostates, wives swap,

    ‘Mainstream’ Muslims do not murder their daughters, Islam was the first religion to abolish this act of the pagan Arabs. Why don’t you blame the people who claim to be Muslims yet do not follow the teachings of Islam? We do not have an Islamic Caliphate therefore this act of killing apostates is temporarily on hold. How dare you call yourself a Muslim and yet reject the message of Islam? I don’t know who you’ve been hanging around with, but it seems you have so much to learn about Islam. Why are you happy to repeat lies and not take your time in learning the truth?

    >> call non-muslim kaffir, etc.

    Kafir comes from the root word ka fa ra (it means to ‘cover something’ up) and in Islamic terms it is used to describe non-Muslims because we believe they (intentionally or unintentionall) cover up the truth with their own ideas. It is not a derogatory term, it was a word that has been used in the Qur’an to describe those who reject Eemaan.

    >> Neither will we use any worldly privilege to turn someone towards Islam.

    Islam came to Aceh in the 14th Century because of Arab and Indian traders. When the native people saw their manners and their morals and just characters they wanted to study Islam and become Muslims. Compulsion was never used in the history of Islam and the Qur’an makes this clear. It is in fact Christianity and its active missionaries that continue to prey on the misfortunes of poverty-stricken Muslims in Indonesia and elsewhere to preach their docrines. They go to the most desperate areas and they give them food and medicine and shelter and then they slowly induce the Bible and the cross.

    >> I am a Javanese muslim. Hey, one day we can meet up at macka for a double bacon cheese burger.

    But your words say otherwise and your subtle mocking of Islam and its symbols brings you close to hypocricy.

    >> I am not an expert in Islam demography in Indonesia,

    I doubt very much you are an expert on anything from your lack of knowledge and your woeful ignorance, with all due respect. It would be a good idea for you to learn about Islam and then give your Shahada and come into the fold of Islam because your trickery fools no one except like-minded fools like you – Here is a good place to start: http://ilmcentral.hadithuna.com

  26. avatar iamisaid says:

    Hi tomaculum,

    Hi iamisaid,
    don’t let yourself being fooled by Aluang,
    most of the javanese Moslems (Islam Kejawen or “true” Moslem) don’t like pork, many of them sicken from thinking about or smelling pork.

    That’s why Aluang’s statement took me by surprise.
    But there’s no harm asking. :)

    I wonder if Aluang is really a Javanese man/boy. I think the word “Aluang” comes from West Sumatra (Ranah Minang) and possibly a titular

    Incidentally, pen names especially on the internet are be illusive, just like yours and mine and Aluang’s. I have seen somewhere at IM where you were thought to be an Australian because of “tom”aculum.

    So, ~drum roll please! will the real Anak Aluang Bayang please come forward!
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

  27. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    dawud farquhar writes:

    Islam is peaceful by its nature and peace is one of the factors that are experienced when practising Islam on a personal level and on a societal level. …

    On what level will a muslim transform into a murderous beast?

    Think about our Kejawen Islam – it is peace at ALL level, not just personal and societal. You do need to look into peaceful Javanese Islam and compare it with your ‘peaceful’ Islam.

    You continue:

    When Muslims are attacked and when Islam is threatened then the Qur’an and the Sunnah and classical texts explain how Muslims are obliged to defend themselves. Defense has many aspects, it could be spiritual defense against our own souls, it means oral defense by the use of our tongue and it means physical defense by our hands.

    These explains why the muslim brothers are hacking each other (defense by hands) and shouting ‘Allahukhbar’ (oral defense) because both think that they are ‘attacked’ and ‘threatened’. I see no end in this.

    Islam is a complete way of life that incorporates every facet of social, political, economic and other forms of governance. It is wrong to think that we can somehow twist and turn Islam into a mould that we want it to be and we want to apply it”¦ This is a misnomer amongst those who have a narrow-minde way of thinking.

    Pak dawud, marrying off your 6 years old daughter to a 53 years old man to be good muslim, is hardly a complete way of life for many Indonesians. Marrying your own daughter-in-law is not the norm in Indonesian society either. Prophet Mohammad pbuh did just that according to the hadithes. Pakis and Arabs can swallow that but we can’t, we have a refined culture.

    The rest are all repeats. Checked your link *yawns*

    @tomaculum

    Search no more. I have not been to Sumatra. Aluang is a typical Dayak name. Anak Bayang means ‘son of shadow’ – a title for warrior. It is Kali name, not Sumatran.

  28. avatar iamisaid says:

    Aluang is a typical Dayak name. Anak Bayang means ‘son of shadow’ – a title for warrior. It is Kali name, not Sumatran.

    ~shiverssss in fear!

    WOW! awesome name.

  29. avatar Dawud Farquhar says:

    Aluang writes:

    >> On what level will a muslim transform into a murderous beast?

    When ignorance prevails and people like you begin to take liberties with the faith you ‘claim’ to belong to. For example, Hitler was raised a Catholic and was never excommunicated by the Church; he said: “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.” [Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography p.507], so would Catholicism now blame their religion for the beliefs and acts that he held? Of course not. We judge a religion by its sources and teachings and not by people who claim to be adherents thereof and yet fail to live up to it.

    >> Think about our Kejawen Islam

    Kejawen you can keep, Islam you know nothing of. The changing sociography within Indonesian society makes me positive that fundamental changes are in the offing. This change will not come from radical extremists from the all the religions that Indonesia plays host to, but rather an educational revolution that will do away with pantheist ideas that you preach under the guise of ‘Islam’ when it have nothing to do with Islam. Your Kejawen is an ideology that you can claim as yours, it is far removed from Islam as chalk is from cheese.

    >> These explains why the muslim brothers are hacking each other…

    No it does not. It explains how intellectually and socially downtrodden they have become. It simply means that the revival movements have their hands full with their da’wah efforts to lead people back to Islam from their cultural Demagogy.

    >> Pak dawud, marrying off your 6 years old daughter to a 53 years old man to be good muslim,

    This statement is one of the oft-repeated lies by Islamaphobes like you (and Christian missionaries) that it has become a mantra which I especially like to put down:

    http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html

    http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_aisha.htm

    http://muslim-responses.com/Marriage_with_Aisha/Marriage_with_Aisha_

    http://www.crescentlife.com/thisthat/feminist%20muslims/aisha_bint_abu_bakr.htm

    [p.s. If you are a Dayak, then mass killings and murder should not come as a surprise to you: http://youtube.com/watch?v=uMpMvEENdFc (but unlike you, I do not taint all your community with the brush of your head-hunting past).

    Instead of pretending to be a Muslim and maligning Islam, why don’t you have the courage to admit your Christianity learn about Islam, that remains the only viable modern alternative: http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/articles/islam_the_modern_alternative.html

  30. avatar Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    @ Dawud Farquhar

    Re 1st paragraph:
    I have not come across an overseas muslim explaining Islam WITHOUT bad-mouthing Christainity; As if they need Christianity as a focus enemy to be united. You seemed to have forgotten that you two belong to the same Abrahamic lineage?

    Re 2nd paragraph:
    You have not yet tell me which sect of Islam will bring about ‘an educational revolution’ to Indonesia. I asked you this because I have all I see is chaos elsewhere, except peaceful Javanese Islam.

    How come you see it fit to teach your neighbour’s children to behave, when your own are behaving like thugs? Shouldn’t you discipline your own kids first? Sometime you have to swallow your pride, admit Javanese got the right quranic interpretation and learn it from us. Such is life.

    Re 3rd paragraph:
    Use violence to remove us from our cultural identity. Is that what you are saying?

    Re 4th paragraph:
    Prophet Mohammad pbuh at 53 years old married a 6 years old girl, and consumed the marriage at 9 years of age. According to the link you gave, the girls have reached puberty, and Puberty = Marriage. Pak Dawud, a 6 years old child still have their set of milk teeth.

    You want us to think it is okay to marry off our daughters at that age to be ‘educational re-evolved’ good muslim. For Arabs, Pakis and Islamized Bules, it is okay. We rather stay uneducated and be bad muslim. No amount of tsunami, earthquake and volcanic eruption can change our mind. Indonesian girls at age 6 to 9 can’t perform sexual act as an adult at that age. Or is it the ‘over middle age’ man doing the fondling?

    Wasalam.

    (ps. I am not a Dayak. Dayak is yellow, I am a Brown man).

    __________________

    @ Dawud Farquhar

    [p.s. If you are a Dayak, then mass killings and murder should not come as a surprise to you: http://youtube.com/watch?v=uMpMvEENdFc (but unlike you, I do not taint all your community with the brush of your head-hunting past).

    What an ignorant statement re Dayaks as mass murderers.

    The Dayaks although with fearsome reputation, follow a code of conduct. They do not murder people for imaginery deities. It was customary for their elders to negiotiate a peaceful way out if one of their kind were killed. Usually compensation is few goats or bags of rice and an apology; and all will be forgotten. They are known for their broadmindedness and trustworthiness. Many migrant groups co-existed peacefully with them for centuries. Unlike the youtube link you gave, there was no plead for peace, but incitement to kill more people. If you do not feel comfortable with Javanese Islam, shouldn’t you learn from Dayak Kaharingan?

    You think about it. Ask yourself why they burnt masjids and went on a sunni muslim killing spree. No independent local and foreign reports have yet blamed them for the carnage.

    The youtube link that you gave was in Poso Christians vs Muslims. It was war of faith in Poso but not in Kali. Shouldn’t we avoid Abrahamic religion altogether?

    Salam.

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