Rough Justice

May 18th, 2007, in IM Posts, by

Beating and shaming young lovers.

In a village in Cianjur, West Java, on 13th May two young lovers, Midah (18) and Asep (23) were discovered in a rice field, up to no good it seems. Villagers had known about the relationship of the two for some time and had gathered together on the night of the 13th and gone looking for them.

After they were found Midah and Asep were each given a beating by local people and then handed over to the village head for further punishment. Daday, the village head, said the young couple had each been fined, with the money going towards the building of a new road.

Udin, 33, said people in the village couldn't stand to see the young lovers violating the norms of religion and ruining the good name of the village anymore. [1]

Meanwhile in the Karimun district of Riau on 15th May, three young people, "S" and "R", both 25 years old, and a female, "H", 22 years old, were seized by locals in a rented house because they were thought to be using the place for sexual purposes. One villager explained:

They never left the house. So we raided it.

It appears that "H"'s father, Idris, had first raised the issue, saying the behaviour of his daughter couldn't be tolerated anymore. He had warned her many times but she had ignored him.

After the three were caught they were paraded around the village in order to shame them. However the girl, "H", did not seem to care and smiled all the while. [2]


36 Comments on “Rough Justice”

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  1. avatar Bas says:
    May 18th, 2007 at 12:47 am

    Come on, these things happen hundreds every day/night in Indonesia.

  2. avatar Peter says:
    May 18th, 2007 at 2:16 am

    This type of thing tends to happen more in the countryside than in cities, doesn’t it?

    Those people could better spend their time shaming corrupt officials.

    Patung, you seem to post a lot of stories like this, which highlight the excessive extent to which Islamic (or pseudo-Islamic) values are taken in Indonesia. I wonder if there are not just as many stories you could post which highlight tolerance, goodwill, and rationality on the part of Indonesia’s Muslims. Is the situation in Indonesia really as ridiculous as you make it seem?

  3. avatar David says:
    May 18th, 2007 at 2:47 am

    Peter, Q & A stuff like that is on the “About” page.

  4. avatar John Orford says:
    May 18th, 2007 at 2:51 am

    It could be evened up by similar stories in Christian parts of ri!

  5. avatar Saipul says:
    May 18th, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    Yeah, because stuff like this happens all the time in North Sulawesi. *laughs*

  6. avatar Oigal says:
    May 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    Well said Saipul.

    TO be honest they radicals make just it just easy to see Indonesia in a negative light but the question remains why don’t the moderates say something.

    Why didn’t the police arrest the beaters for instance!

  7. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:
    May 18th, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    I don’t think it is a matter of radical and moderate, I don’t even think it is a matter of religion, we as a Nation are prone to acts of mob violence because that is what we have grown up with, the majority are still poorly educated, they are taught to follow the leader and if they don’t do as they are told, or they question anything, they are disciplined with physical punishment.

    It is part of the system whether we care to admit it or not, and will I think, remain so as long as the power seekers, the corrupt, and the greedy, abuse the system for their own needs and desires.

    Those of us who have been blessed with a better education and exposure to different cultural values generally can see the problems, but the ordinary man or woman in the Kampung don’t even see that there is a problem, their world is defined by where their family lives and making enough money to survive.

    All we can do faced with such an all pervading problem, is make our views known, and struggle in whatever way we can to change the system, whilst of course trying to avoid becoming victims of violence ourselves.

    Peace

  8. avatar Ihaknt says:
    May 18th, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    As I said in my post somewhere, this should be made as a sex tourism attraction suited to S&M people. Not only those flogger will enjoy being violent, but the victims will also get enjoyment, and the government will earn tax from it. Win-win situation…what could be better. I am sure Jusuf Kalla will agree.

  9. avatar Bas says:
    May 19th, 2007 at 1:17 am

    Stuff like this happens all the time not only in Sulawesi but in every single town and village in Indonesia on a daily basis. There could be 100 artikel like that every day! Only in my 2×1 km little quiet RT things like that happen at least 2 or 3 times a month.

    If you live outside Indonesia can not even imagine how crazy the people are in this country. All tourist get is the smiling face when they come on holliday and basta.

  10. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    May 19th, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    All,

    At first I was struck by the spectacular ignorance and outright moronity of the comments of Oigal. Such communication can be expected from a denizen of the gutter. He is, of course, from Australia, where the natives wander around saying ‘G’day, G’day’ and ‘Hey, mate’, ‘Hey, mate,’ like schizophrenic Cockatoos, (an Australasian parrot). Oigal, unlike his countrymen, has been struggling against his borderline illiteracy, poor grasp of Judao-Christian ethics, and rudimentary tenents of dental higene.

    Then it struck me: the behaviour described in the post above is barbaric. I, Achmad Sudarsono, don’t think the creator meant for gangs of moral crusaders to roam the rice fields preventing teenager from a bit of fun. Such behaviour should be reserved for the utterly filthy bules at Blok M, who are the ones truly sucking the morality from the nation.

    Thanking You, Friend.

    Achmad Sudarsono.

  11. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    May 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    I see, Patung, that you have joined the ranks of those that seek to silence the Voice of Achmad and The Truth !

  12. avatar David says:
    May 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    I see, Patung, that you have joined the ranks of those that seek to silence the Voice of Achmad and The Truth!

    No, your first comment went into the spam comments queue, in amongst all the buy viagra and hot porn stuff, suitably or not, but I fished it out anyway. I would never seek to silence you, your’e too entertaining.

  13. avatar Tomaculum says:
    May 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

    Such behaviour should be reserved for the utterly filthy bules at Blok M, who are the ones truly sucking the morality from the nation.

    Achmad Sudarsono is back again.
    Poor Achmad with your Indonesia in your mind. But the reality is, that such behaviours are done by Indonesian. Why don’t you Indonesian able to see your failures and try to be better? Instead of always saying, that the “bule”s are bad? Ah, Achmad, isn’t that a sense of inferiority from you?

  14. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    May 19th, 2007 at 9:27 pm

    Dear Pak Patung,

    I see. But welcome back to the fight for The Truth.

    Dear Pak Tomalcum,

    As mentioned, such behaviour – marauding gangs of the morals police – should be reserved for the White Man and not the Village Man and Java Man.

    Much more contentious is your command of grammar in your chosen language of expression. Perhaps what you mean is: “such behavior is carried out by Indonesians, not Indonesian. Think back to high school English: plurality in nouns is indicated by the addition of an ‘s’.

    Just like QuiSling, and Uncle TomS, and Selera Bule. Tomalcum, my friend, isn’t it time you joined the battle against the Bule ? We declared independence in 1945, but take a walk through Plaza Senayan and it’s Bule, Bule, Bule, everywhere, bringing their Idabul girls. Is this what the Proklamator (singular – no S) wanted ?

    I thank you, Friend.

    Achmad.

  15. avatar Colson says:
    May 20th, 2007 at 12:48 am

    Dear mr Achmad Sudarsono,

    Don’t you agree with me that our greatest mission in life is to fight and exterminate all kinds of lame humour. Especially in the case of loads of lame humour by some expat (with or without s) at the expense of the host-country?

    Let’s always look at the bright side.

    Colson.

  16. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    May 20th, 2007 at 9:21 am

    Dear Pak Colson,

    Firstly, you’ll need to sober up.

    Secondly, I don’t know who you’re talking about. I, of course, am Achmad Sudarsono, an Indonesian poet, pencak silat master, and cabaret singer.

    Some White Men get uncomfortable at hearing English spoken a little too well, preffering a vocabulary of ‘helooo missterrr’ vocab from their Brown brothers. Besides, it’s bad ‘netiquette’ on Blogs to get personal.

    If you’re talking about yourself, I can’t remember anything funny, just a series of mind-numbingly bland comments stating the obvious. I was hoping you were Kerry Collison, the D-grade novelist.

    Ok – Missterrr, U like me speaking-speaking with de Inggriss? Ok friend?

  17. avatar Tomaculum says:
    May 20th, 2007 at 12:56 pm

    A. Sumarsodo or Sumarnoso my brownie friend,
    thank you very much for your correction as english is not my first foreign language and sometimes we forget the s and the grammar, don’t we?

    Just like QuiSling, and Uncle TomS, and Selera Bule. Tomalcum, my friend, isn’t it time you joined the battle against the Bule ? We declared independence in 1945, but take a walk through Plaza Senayan and it’s Bule, Bule, Bule, everywhere, bringing their Idabul girls. Is this what the Proklamator (singular – no S) wanted ?

    Maybe you are just jealous, because the girls don’t like to go to bed with you? :)
    Seriously, I don’t know the relation between independence since 1945 and the many europeans walking through Plaza Senayan with their girlfriends. Maybe you can explain it?
    For me I would rather say: independent since 1945 and not able to see its own failure and always blame others.

  18. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    May 20th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    Pak Tomalcum,

    I’d like to remind you not to stray from the topic of ‘Rough Justice’, and ‘Beating and Shaming Young Lovers.’ Friend, I don’t think the readers of this blog are interested in people’s personal vendettas, insult-matches, or diversions just to air their puerile and attention-seeking senses of humor. Let’s get back to the topic. Mas Patung has done a fantastic job in maintaining this blog. Ok, Friend ? That also goes for you, Pak Colson.

    Achmad.

  19. avatar Tomaculum says:
    May 20th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    A. Sumarsodo,
    you’re right, but you haven’t yet answer my question.
    Btw it is also a kind of rough justice just to blame others, isn’t it? And that is what you do.
    I think Patung will surely stop our “discussion” if he think this has nothing to do with the topic.

    I don’t think the readers of this blog are interested in people’s personal vendettas, insult-matches, or diversions just to air their puerile and attention-seeking senses of humor
    I agree 1000%-ly with you. Let us stop writing nonsense, like you so regularly do. As Patung wrote: you are too entertaining.

  20. avatar Colson says:
    May 20th, 2007 at 8:07 pm

    Dear Mr Achmad Sudarsono,

    Let’s face it: it is hard, too hard, to top Lenny Bruce, Bill Hicks or John Cleese. And rudeness will not do.

    But on the other hand, you may well be a great poet. It’s even possible your poems deal with the social-economic and moral issues at stake here. Let us know when you get them published ( in english translation).

    By the way: I for one of course second the opinion of Oigal. Moderates should discipline radicals. Always and everywhere.

    Colson

  21. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:
    May 20th, 2007 at 9:13 pm

    I am a little suspicious of Pak Achmad’s motives, perhaps he is a government agent? Everytime there is a serious discussion here on IM he seems to pop up and the thread degenerates. Is he perhaps trying to distract us? ;-)

    Peace

  22. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 7:29 am

    Dear Friends,

    Pak Tomalcum — I am not jealous of the White Man because his taste in women runs towards maids and as one Blogger here wrote, ‘buck-toothed and remote mountain villagers.’ Dark is fine for chocoloate; not for a girlfriend or wife.

    The only ‘disciplining’ Oigal will be doing will be demanding the right change from the taxi driver/bar girl/bar boy/preman for just once last Bir Bintang before stumbling home in a stupor.

    Other postings, blogs and issues are beckoning. I look forward to crossing Krises with you all next time.

    I thank you, All My Friend.

    p.S. a sample of my most recent poem:

    ‘Hey There, White Man, so sleek and smug in your apartemen’
    But do you know the suffering of the people ?’

  23. avatar Berlian says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 8:53 am

    **for just once last Bir Bintang**

    Ouch Achmad, your much vaunted grammar took a bit of a nose dive there old son!

    Now let me get this right you’re very proud of being brown (you routinely display the chip on your shoulder about bules and brown ‘brothers’ like you) but only pale skinned girls will do for a partner? So are your sister and your mother “brown” also? Are they not fit to be wives too? If your mother is as brown as you is she fit only to be a maid for a bule?

  24. avatar Berlian says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 9:01 am

    Sorry, I meant to add how deeply moving and profound your poetry is, goodness such soul, such inner angst, such beauty. However should “apartemen” not be spelt “apartment” or does this bilingualism signify some great deeper meaning, please enlighten us oh guru besar (see I can do it too?).

    And what’s with the inverted comma after apartemen, shouldn’t it be a full stop? Is this another example of your magnificent grasp of English grammar?

  25. avatar Niamh Piperman says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 10:20 am

    Achmad Sudarsono Says:

    ‘Hey There, White Man, so sleek and smug in your apartemen’
    But do you know the suffering of the people ?’

    Yes, probably more than most Indonesians who seem more concerned with ‘gengsi’ than with the suffering of their own people. That’s why they consider village people (wong deso) to be nothing more than, quote, ‘buck-toothed and remote mountain villagers.’ – forgetting that most Indonesians originated from the villages at one point and when they manage to get out of the village and find a bit of a life in the big smoke, suddenly they forget their roots (kacang lupa kulit) and wish they never came from a village because the village is backwards – unlike those so-much-more-progressive city people with their new Nokia HP, who if they mudik back to their village get so bingung because they can’t find any gengsi western food like spaghetti or pizza (actually originally poor person’s food in Italy). And then when westerner’s come to give aid to the poor, because no locals will do it, they then accuse the westerners of being spies or fronting for CIA, ASIS, etc. and tell the westerners that they can only stay and give aid for a few weeks before they manage to convert all the poor, forgotten-by-their-own-people, Muslims to Christians bwah…bwah…bwah….

  26. avatar Oigal says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 10:42 am

    Not that the moron bule, Ibu Achmad is worthy of a response, but for anyone else who wishes to know (and I really hate to ruin a good stereotype). I am happily married to an Indonesian woman with three fantastic children. So I really don’t get time or the desire to go running amok in the more notorious parts of town. I do enjoy a bintang of course and I do say gidday.

    Of course a more interesting point, is so many women need to go such places. In most western countries it remains a life style choice (a bad one, but a choice never the less) as there is always some sort of government assistance available for the abandonded wife with children, the teenager who makes a mistake and gets pregnant, the wife fleeing domestic violence.

    Here, what alternatives are provided for girls/women is such situations, very very limited indeed. Even the VP said that the should consider short term “marriages” to Arabs. Sad indeed.

  27. avatar Tomaculum says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 11:18 am

    A. Sukardomoso my brownie friend,
    your statements based on psychological rough justice is boring.
    “Friend”, I know more white people bothering about the suffering of the poors than Indonesians do. And those women and men do something.

    Pak Tomalcum “” I am not jealous of the White Man because his taste in women runs towards maids and as one Blogger here wrote, ‘buck-toothed and remote mountain villagers.’ Dark is fine for chocoloate; not for a girlfriend or wife.
    My god, my brownie “friend”, you are so discriminatif and inhuman. Even those “buck-toothed and remote mountain villagers” are also human being wishing something better in their life. And they are your sisters.
    And: how many other whites do you know?

    Your way of thinking is a variation of rough justice.

    Peace, my brownie friend.

  28. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    All My Good Friend,

    Let’s stick to the topic and not get diverted, talking about who likes maids and who doesn’t , who knows good grammars, and who doesn’t and who is an ideological slave to the white man. The post is a topic about rough justice. Let us respect Mr. Patung, Friend.

    Berlian: art allows for some deviance from the strict rules of grammar. In fact, English, grammar is more of a convention that a set of rules, my Friend. Some moronic, Beer-swilling, inbred, overpriveliged, Englishmen tried to set out English grammar along he lines of Latin Grammer in the 18th century. Friend, much better to stick to our logical and simple Bahasa Indonesia, or Bahasa Melayu.

    I like how Mr. Oigal takes a leaf out of George Bush’s, and John Howard’s book and completely avoids the topic, trying to present himself as a humanitarian. (His is an old colleague and foe. Oigal has often expressed admiration for my writings).

    Finally, Pak Tomalcum, let’s not continually refer to skin-color, or even color of the kolor, ok Friend?

    Achmad.

  29. avatar Naga says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    Puuuhlease guys.

    Do you actually fall for all this ‘Achmad Sudarsono’ crap?

    He is actually a bule pretending to be an Indonesian, very badly I may add. I suppose underemployed 40-something english teachers need something to do during the day.

  30. avatar Achmad Sudarsono says:
    May 21st, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    Naga,

    It sounds like YOU have been hanging around unemployed English teachers for too long, buying into all these conspiracy theories. The only pretending going on is people paying attention to you, Friend…Once again, I’m sorry if I speak English too well for you, meesterrrr, meesterrr.

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