WikiLeaks Cablegate & Indonesia

Dec 4th, 2010, in Featured, News, by

Indonesian government preparing for the release of US embassy documents in Jakarta; the WikiLeaks Cablegate affair.

Wikileaks Cablegate

About 3,000 "secret documents" from the US embassy in Jakarta and consulate in Surabaya are believed to be part of the latest Wikileaks, 'Cablegate', release, out of about 250,000 total.

It appears there are 3059 documents from Jakarta, and 167 from Surabaya, from between the years 1990 to 2010, with most being dated from 2006 onwards. The files likely contain US diplomats' commentary on Indonesian affairs and on leading figures in the government.

Security minister Djoko Suyanto has delegated initial responsibility for handling the matter to minister of Communications Tifatul Sembiring.

Tifatul said his department would collect the documents when they came out, and study them, and later make recommendations as to what to do or say about them to Djoko Suyanto. antara

It's not clear whether all the information from Wikileaks is true; if it's not true, if it's propaganda, we will have to respond.


The documents so far released had been viewable at http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ however service has been withdrawn from this domain; currently they can be viewed at http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html


48 Comments on “WikiLeaks Cablegate & Indonesia”

  1. avatar diego says:

    Tiffie said:

    It’s not clear whether all the information from Wikileaks is true; if it’s not true, if it’s propaganda, we will have to respond.

    Let me be the first to scream it:

    IT MUST BE THE JEWS!!!

    Ha, ha, ha.

  2. avatar Arie Brand says:

    Jews and propaganda – a capital letters deserving absurdity?

    One doesn’t need the Wikileaks to learn something on this topic. The records of the State Department that are now legitimately accessible online are instructive enough. I explored the hasbara-chestnut of the ‘three noes of Khartoum” (you know those Arabs who rejected any overture for peace) here under post no 35:

    http://tonykaron.com/2009/01/09/the-battle-isnt-over-but-israel-has-lost-the-war/

  3. avatar Odinius says:

    Most is going to be diplomatic gossip stating opinions and facts that are already obvious to people who pay attention to international politics. But it should make for some sensationalistic headlines. I imagine a couple past presidents will be portrayed in unflattering terms, and it may lay bare a pretty negative opinion of Indonesia’s prospects during the difficult years following Suharto’s ouster.

    But so far, these cables have yet to produce any stunning revelations. Okay, the fact that the Saudis and other Gulf arab states wanted war with Iran more than the Bush administration is interesting, but other that that it’s been a bunch of pretty obvious stuff.

  4. avatar Hans says:

    it`s like the Crusaders, Who are you? What do you want? Who do you serve? And who do you trust? If no one trust any one or no one want nothing. can any one serv ther goverment in the future. who speak to the one u not trust

  5. avatar diego says:

    Exactly, that’s what I like most from this cablegate: revealing how cowards and treacherous those saudis are…. no wonder the jews were able to kick their sorry asses only in 6 days.

    Look at the picture of kingky abdullah here in an article from haaretz: http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/wikileaks-expose-saudis-told-u-s-cut-off-the-head-of-the-snake-on-iran-1.327502

    Somehow his face reminds me of that pigmy ptolemy XIII I saw in the series “Rome”. Mentally retarded with a grotesque sense of fashion.

  6. avatar Arie Brand says:

    Diego,

    I hope for you that you are joking.

    Just for the record: the Saudis were not involved in the Six Day War.

    The human rights record of Abdullah apparently leaves a lot to be desired – all the more so because he seems to be an intelligent and well informed man.

  7. avatar Arie Brand says:

    So, according to Wikileaks’ revelation about the discussion between Mrs.Clinton and then Prime Minster Rudd, Clinton worried about the problem how to be direct with one’s “banker” – in this case China that reportedly holds 900 billion dollars in American bonds. Rudd claimed that his attempt to strengthen the Asia-Pacific community had everything to do with countering the growing Chinese dominance. The goal should be, he said, to integrate China into the world community but “to use force if everything goes wrong” . Pretty useless advice that last bit if you ask me because one criterion for everything having gone wrong is that one party or other has already used force.

    Rudd also claimed that Australia was strengthening its naval forces with an eye to China’s continuing military expansion.

    I don’t know whether Indonesia figured in the conversation. But it seems pretty clear that, from this perspective, Australia has little choice but seeking the closest possible military cooperation with its northern neighbour. This includes swallowing its objections against the often brutal behaviour of Kopassus, the human rights situation in many parts of the country, particularly Papua, and to not even talk about this with foreign dignitaries from fear for the next Wikileaks.

  8. avatar Arie Brand says:

    Far OF the next Wikileaks rather – one can fear FOR the fate of its initiator, if one feels so inclined, because apparently Sweden wants his extradition from Britain for his alleged sex crimes.

  9. avatar David says:

    apparently Sweden wants his extradition from Britain for his alleged sex crimes.

    I think it was for not using ‘protection’. Sweden does have some interesting laws there.

    according to Wikileaks’ revelation about the discussion between Mrs.Clinton and then Prime Minster Rudd, Clinton worried about the problem how to be direct with one’s “banker”

    Well at least they are aware of how much they are in debt, literally as you say, to the Chinese; but it’s a quid pro quo thing, China finances their debt and keeps them afloat, and in return the US opens its markets to all the products that China produces; I think the Chinese leadership have visions of themselves being strung up on lamp posts one day in the street and their main concern is steady growth, filtering the wealth down to people, ensuring the unprecedented in history flow of people from rural to city areas there doesn’t leave folks ending up feeling bitterly disappointed because they couldn’t get ahead a bit in life and send some money back to the village. For this to keep going they really need access to US markets. So there’s a deal there in place already, but things get complicated I guess when other factors come into play; depends what she wanted to be ‘direct’ about.

  10. avatar Hans says:

    The Six-Day War

    Egypt

    The six-day-war was between a collection of countries, some of which where Arab and some where not. On one side was Israel, and on the other side was Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The other countries that where involved in the war only gave aid to the Arab nations in the battle, these countries were Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Algeria.

  11. avatar diego says:

    Well, well,

    Another revelation….

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding

    This (only) confirms what indonesia’s beloved ex-president, Abdurahman Wahid (Gus Dur), mentioned when he stated years ago that Saudi Arabia (and its wahhabism) is enemy of humanity.

    Btw, Arie Brand, you just love jumping on any opportunity to redneckize other, right?

  12. avatar Arie Brand says:

    Diego wrote:

    “Exactly, that’s what I like most from this cablegate: revealing how cowards and treacherous those saudis are…. no wonder the jews were able to kick their sorry asses only in 6 days.”

    I seem to have to repeat it: the Saudis were not actually involved in this war so they had no opportunity to get their ‘sorry asses’ kicked, as you so nicely put it.

    “Btw, Arie Brand, you just love jumping on any opportunity to redneckize other, right?”

    You seem to be doing quite a good job yourself.

    Hans wrote:

    “The other countries that where involved in the war only gave aid to the Arab nations in the battle, these countries were Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Algeria.”

    The internet is still replete with Israeli hasbara about this war. But I looked at the autobiographical account Moshe Dayan, the main commanding general on the Israeli side, gave of it in “Story of My Life” reasoning that , if this other alleged Arab help had amounted to anything, he would at least have mentioned it. I have found nothing.

    Here are some instructive videos from Dutch television in which a former Dutch military UN observer gives his account of the prelude to the war – for good measure the extremely biased Dutch tv account of the time is also given: :

    http://peoplesgeography.com/2007/06/09/the-six-day-war-deceptions-dutch-videos/

  13. avatar Arie Brand says:

    I looked at the only Swedish English language paper I could find (“Local”) but learned little about the Assange case that I didn’t already know from the articles in the Daily Mail and the Independent.

    However in the comments by readers there were a few interesting things.One person claimed that after the chief Swedish prosecutor had dropped the case it was reopened by another one at the behest of a ‘politician from Goteborg’.

    Another one claimed that Sweden is still wrongly perceived by the outside world as a bastion of liberal enlightenment but that in actual fact the place has been run for years by a motley collection of conservatives, royalists, christians and farmers.

    My own view of the matter, for what it is worth, is this: Asaange had the bad luck to attract two female activists and sympathisers with whom he had consensual sex, which might have at one stage been unprotected. One of these sweethearts was once a campus sexual equity officer who had once published on the internet ‘7 steps to get legal revenge’ on an unfaithful lover – a letter she has apparently tried to erase.

    These two women apparently only found that they had a case when they discovered from each other that they both had, within the space of a few days, been sleeping with the same guy. The ‘seven steps …’ then had to be initiated. Until that stage there was probably no ‘honeytrap’. That was only set after the Chief Prosecutor had dropped the case, and it was reopened allegedly because of pressure from a politician. However, it might very well be that the second prosecutor, also a female, has her own agenda here. She might have leapt at the chance to get this high profile case to pursue a ‘zero tolerance’ line for unprotected sex.

  14. avatar timdog says:

    Arie, that’s an excellent, succinct summary of the actual technicalities of the case – thanks!

    in the Daily Mail and the Independent

    That’s what I like to see – a broad spectrum of sources! 😉 And that – quite seriously – is why I love the British print media.
    If you haven’t already I would suggest taking a look at the Guardian too. Aside from having one of the best websites of any British paper (the Telegraph is the other one at the top of the pile, I’d say – see? broad spectrum!), they’re one of the partner papers for the cable releases, and they’re covering Asaange’s case with the excellent blog format they used for the UK elections, with links out to their own side stories, and to other places – from “across the spectrum” – as they come up…

  15. avatar BrotherMouzone says:

    The relatively public nature of the leaked cables (they were available to over a million US personnel) means that we are never going to get any of the REALLY juicy stuff. As Odinius said, it’s basically just mildly interesting gossip so far.

    The really interesting thing is the precedent that may be being set here. A huge leak like this might set us up for bigger and more interesting leaks in the future. If this level of information was made available to millions, what sort of information is available to just thousands… and are any of them willing to share it?

    Could the internet be dragging our governments towards genuine transparency?

    BTW, putting Titaful in charge of handling this? MASTERSTROKE! His bumbling and waffle will distract from any actual revelations that might slip out.

  16. avatar berlian biru says:

    “That’s what I like to see – a broad spectrum of sources! 😉 And that – quite seriously – is why I love the British print media.

    If you haven’t already I would suggest taking a look at the Guardian too. Aside from having one of the best websites of any British paper (the Telegraph is the other one at the top of the pile, I’d say – see? broad spectrum!)”

    It might surprise you but I read somewhere that the Daily Mail has the second largest readership of newspapers on the web, the NY Times is first. Say what you like about the Daily Mail they know their market and produce the goods for their customers.

    Like you I enjoy both the Guardian and Telegraph websites, two superb newspapers that know what they are doing unlike the Times which has now locked itself behind a paywall.

  17. avatar David says:

    The ‘7 Steps to Legal Revenge’ by Anna Ardin

    Step 1

    Consider very carefully if you really must take revenge.
    It is almost always better to forgive than to avenge . . .

    Step 2
    Think about why you want revenge. You need to be clear about who to take revenge on, as well as why. Revenge is never directed against only one person, but also the actions of the person.

    Step 3
    The principle of proportionality.
    Remember that revenge will not only match the deed in size but also in nature.
    A good revenge is linked to what has been done against you.

    For example if you want revenge on someone who cheated or who dumped you, you should use a punishment with dating/sex/fidelity involved.

    Step 4
    Do a brainstorm of appropriate measures for the category of revenge you’re after. To continue the example above, you can sabotage your victim’s current relationship, such as getting his new partner to be unfaithful or ensure that he gets a madman after him.

    Use your imagination!

    Step 5
    Figure out how you can systematically take revenge.
    Send your victim a series of letters and photographs that make your victim’s new partner believe that you are still together which is better than to tell just one big lie on one single occasion

    Step 6
    Rank your systematic revenge schemes from low to high in terms of likely success, required input from you, and degree of satisfaction when you succeed.
    The ideal, of course, is a revenge as strong as possible but this requires a lot of hard work and effort for it to turn out exactly as you want it to.

    Step 7
    Get to work.
    And remember what your goals are while you are operating, ensure that your victim will suffer the same way as he made you suffer.

  18. avatar David says:

    by Anna Ardin

    Well actually by

    an eHow Contributor

    http://www.ehow.com/how_2296915_get-legal-revenge.html

  19. avatar ET says:

    Step 8
    Make your victim ridiculous.

  20. avatar timdog says:

    God, those western feminist b*tches, eh? That must be why all these bules come to Indonesia to marry kampungan pembantus… 😉

    Although….

    the women are proportionally more comely than the men, and are very fond of white men… [but] They are jealous in the extreme, and know how to make a European, with whom they have had a love-affair, and who proves inconstant, dearly repent his incontinence and his fickleness, by administering certain drugs, which disqualify him for the repetition of either. People of the utmost credibility at Batavia have related too many examples of this refinement of female revenge, to render the circumstance doubtful.

    That’s Java in the 18th Century; this one’s Java in the early 20th Century:

    a Dutch naval officer, who after living with a native girl several years in Java threw her over in order to come back to Europe and marry his white fiancee in Rotterdam. Foolishly he allowed the Javanese to know his plans. Nothing happened to him before he left Java: the girl went on being pleasant, keeping house for him, cooking his favorite curry, et cetera, until he kissed her good-by and sailed away. But when he reached home he fell ill with a painful stomach-ache. He vomited repeatedly, and nothing the doctors gave him had any effect on the pain, until they discovered that he was voiding countless tiny lengths of hair. The girl in Java had mixed cut hair in all his food, and it was so stiff and bristly that it penetrated his intestines in a thousand places before he could get rid of it. He died of course.

    Now why didn’t they just go for the old finely chopped hair in Asaange’s sandwhiches, eh?

  21. avatar Odinius says:

    Arie said:

    Another one claimed that Sweden is still wrongly perceived by the outside world as a bastion of liberal enlightenment but that in actual fact the place has been run for years by a motley collection of conservatives, royalists, christians and farmers.

    Yeah, this is propaganda. It’s true in the sense that the coalition is one of parties originally formed to represent “conservatives, royalists, christians and farmers (and liberals), but this isn;t the 19th century anymore. Sweden’s “conservatives” today are significantly to the left of, say the American Democratic Party, British Labour or even the French Socialists. They’re typical Continental Social-Democrats, distinguished primarily from the actual Social-Democrats because they advocate moderate reforms to the Swedish welfare system, have a stronger relationship with small business groups and a moderately looser relationship with organized labor.

    So, essentially, Swedes have a choice between “social-democrats” and “social-democrats+.” Of course, the opposition SDs are using a legal proceding brought by an independent prosecutor to try to leverage Swedish anti-American government sentiment (Swedes are very good about not extending dislike of the USG to American people).

    …oh and on the 6 day war, the Saudi’s were involved, but in a very peripheral way. Israel’s main adversaries in that were: Egypt, Jordan, Syria. There were Saudis in the Arab Expeditionary Brigades, but it was hardly a Saudi army, and they were greatly outnumbered by Iraqis, among others.

  22. avatar Matahari says:

    well, let’s wait and see until the case revealed.

  23. avatar Aprianti says:

    Step 9
    Cinta ditolak, dukun bertindak.

  24. avatar rustyprince says:

    Re Rudd, Clinton, China & Indonesia.
    The USS Mercy recently paid a goodwill visit to Maluku and I had an exchange with one of the crew who suggested the real purpose of the visit was to open the way for the US military to reestablish a strategic airfare base at Morotai. McArthur spend 8 months there with 80000 GI’s in 1944.
    So why Morotai? well Al Jazeera suggests China is well advanced in a commercial takeover of Papua New Guinea – must have Australia alarmed.
    And there is massive Chinese investment going into dispersely populated Eastern Indonesia and maybe the US is drawing parallels with Imperial Japan.
    Although probably just idle speculation by a bored crew member.

  25. avatar Arie Brand says:

    Odinius wrote:

    “oh and on the 6 day war, the Saudi’s were involved, but in a very peripheral way. Israel’s main adversaries in that were: Egypt, Jordan, Syria. There were Saudis in the Arab Expeditionary Brigades, but it was hardly a Saudi army, and they were greatly outnumbered by Iraqis, among others.”

    Even CAMERA which is usually regarded as pretty partisan does not go further than this claim:

    ” Saudi Arabia sent soldiers to help Jordan; but they stopped short of entering the country.”

    I assume that this means that they stopped short of entering Israel but it could even mean that they didn’t make it into Jordan. Whatever is the case it is certain that they missed the opportunity “to have their sorry asses kicked”.

  26. avatar diego says:

    You are so fond of the idea: getting sorry asses kicked.

    You’ve quoted it twice.

    What’s up?

  27. avatar diego says:

    Ok, fine, so the jews never actually kicked their sorry asses (*giggle*). But surely allah will do (?): http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-cables-saudi-princes-parties

    Ahahaha….

    Nice anecdotes:
    —-
    I remember going to a bar in Norwich during Ramadan. I met up with some Muslim acquaintances who were knocking back whiskies. They explained that it was dark, and Allah could not see them. I hope they were joking.
    —-
    I have been to Saudi on the flight back to the UNited States, as soon as the pilot said we have just exited Saudi Arabian air space, the Saudi’s on the flight started ordering drinks. All I could think is maybe Allah cannot see them once they leave Saudi Air spae. LOL
    —-
    … and more …
    —-

    I wonder when will the plebs of that country revolt against those hypocrite members of saud family? I mean, they surely can make their dry desert land a little more fertile with the blood of those gits, right? I’ll be happy to see the heads of those spoilt, unclassy, bunch of (sorry) asses rolling on the desert sand.

    I guess that can only happen when US (and the corps they’re backing) lift their backing to saudi family. Can’t understand, if US just wants the oil, why can’t they just bomb saudi arabia the way the bombed iraq?

    Or… when they’ve finished watching the whole series of “Friends” and “Desperate Housewives”. Hehe.

  28. avatar Arie Brand says:

    Diego wrote:

    “You are so fond of the idea: getting sorry asses kicked.

    You’ve quoted it twice.

    What’s up?”

    I thought it better to keep quoting your original words to leave you no wiggle-room.

    Yours seems to me the kind of semi-humorous simplification that speculates on the disarming of critical attention so that from time to time a factual assertion can be smuggled in under the load of surface rubbish.

  29. avatar Hans says:

    I been in Saudi to. unusual place, nice for the smoke lovers. pipa, in every alley, ther the old men sat with their hookahs and flared, with big black eye and abnormal smiles, probably they discussed, to be or not be and if it was foggy yesterday also.

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