Muhammadiyah

Apr 30th, 2007, in IM Posts, by

Muhammadiyah comes in for some criticism.

Muhammadiyah is holding its annual conference in Yogyakarta and the organisation, the second largest Muslim social group in the country, has come in for some criticism.

At the opening of the conference (Tanwir Muhammadiyah) on April 26th president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono complained that Muhammadiyah was not doing enough in the economic sphere:

We have to be honest and admit that Muhammadiyah's role in the economic field is not as big as in the health and educational fields.

The leaders of Muhammadiyah were all bureaucrats and academics, he went on, there were never any men from the business world.

Even in their speciality area, education, Muhammadiyah had work to do, the president intoned:

But one problem Muhammadiyah should also address is how to improve the quality of education at Muhammadiyah schools.

Parents increasingly preferred to send their children to international and national plus schools, SBY said. [1]

Later in the conference two former leaders of the organisation, Amien Rais and Syafii Ma'arif, both gave their own advice and criticisms for Muhammadiyah.

Old firebrand Amien Rais, in perhaps one of his classic speeches, said Muhammadiyah, and Indonesia as a whole, did not understand that globalization was just a form of economic imperialism. The only person who understood this was Mahathir Mohamad, former prime minister of Malaysia.

What was worse, Amien went on, there were only two developing countries that were able to manage globalization successfully - China, a country of atheists, and India, a country of cow-worshippers. Indonesia, a country armed with the Pancasila doctrine, couldn't even compete with Godless people and cow-worshippers, he said.

Amien Rais
Amien Rais.

The problem was that Muslims lacked self-confidence, he said, and that was why they were hopeless in the globalised world economy. Amien also hoped that Muhammadiyah could improve its educational efforts, so that Muslims were no longer being beaten by atheists and pagans presumably. Science and technology were the key, he said.

Meanwhile Syafii Ma'arif said that Muslims today were too concerned with side, fringe issues, they had forgotten why Islam had been sent to the earth. The centres of higher learning in the Muslim world did not produce work of any real value to the Islamic community, he said.

Syafii Maarif
Syafii Ma'arif.

On the politics front Syafii Ma'arif said Muslims were still too susceptible to falling for the Left-Right dichotomy. Foreign imperialistic forces used the internal dissension this created to exploit the Muslim world, he said. The neo-imperialists of America prevented other cultures and peoples from rising to any great heights, especially the Islamic civilisation, which was regarded as dangerous by America.

However Islam continued its triumphant march across the world, he went on. There were now 1.3 billion Muslims and by immigration and high birth rates Muslims were becoming a major community in Europe and America. Many Muslims were killed in wars or internal conflicts but their number kept getting bigger, he said. [2]


11 Comments on “Muhammadiyah”

  1. avatar El Gran Combo Puertorico says:
    April 30th, 2007 at 10:37 am

    Ha ha, cow worshipper.

    He really said that?

    You need to check again if the words came out of his mouth, or his ass.

    Islamic civilisation, which was regarded as dangerous by America.

    Well, if that “islamic civilization” is like the one whose image they “” some moslems “” helped painted by themselves, then, is it any wonder that most people reject it?

  2. avatar El Gran Combo Puertorico says:
    April 30th, 2007 at 12:34 pm

    Now, think about it.

    After saying “godless (evil)!” — to the chinese, and “cowheads (even more evil)!” — to the indians…, do you think they’re going to look at you (with respect) and have some trades / collaborations with you?

    Well, maybe yes, in the mind of Amien Rais.
    Or, maybe that’s not important, for Amien Rais. We still have the Arabs (saudis) to trade with.

    Yeah, right.

  3. avatar Ihaknt says:
    April 30th, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    However Islam continued its triumphant march across the world, he went on. There were now 1.3 billion Muslims and by immigration and high birth rates Muslims were becoming a major community in Europe and America. Many Muslims were killed in wars or internal conflicts but their number kept getting bigger, he said. [2]

    Yeah and most are incestuous. And as per the paragraph, ‘internal conflicts’, thats what they know best, fight. If not with people from other beliefs, it’s with each other. I reckon the whole middle east should be swallowed by the ocean. Whoops, did I just offend someone? Am I being fatwa? or Jihad?

  4. avatar Robert says:
    April 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    Amien Rais:

    What was worse, Amien went on, there were only two developing countries that were able to manage globalization successfully – China, a country of atheists, and India, a country of cow-worshippers. Indonesia, a country armed with the Pancasila doctrine, couldn’t even compete with Godless people and cow-worshippers, he said.

    Recently one of these cow-worshippers company, Tata Steel took over Corus Group, a Dutch-British steel company. They paid US$12 billion. Apparently worshipping cows and not God or Allah didn’t prevent them from excelling economically.
    Even the Godless people in China managed to get a annual 9% economic growth.
    The derogatory remarks of Amien Rais will improve trade- and business relations with India and China, yeah, sure.

    Amien also hoped that Muhammadiyah could improve its educational efforts, so that Muslims were no longer being beaten by atheists and pagans presumably. Science and technology were the key, he said.

    Not only science and technology, but also a good investment climate and legal certainty are key issues and maybe even more important.
    When he wants to talk economy, he should talk economy then instead of talking religion. China and India are becoming big economic forces while people like Rais are stuck in self-pity and insulting other nations.

  5. avatar Arema says:
    April 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    A former head of MPR talks like that. He’s the former leader of Muhammadiyah and PAN too. Is that the smartest we have domestically?

    Smart people in Indonesia would rather do business, keep hiding behind political stage, or looking for better future overseas. Someday one have to be brave and step up to the plate, and “swim against the current”. If these kind of people are our leader, we’d better change name to InDOOMnesia.

    I share the same sentiment guys.

  6. avatar Andrew says:
    April 30th, 2007 at 9:36 pm

    Interesting but thoughtless comments from Amin Rais – not exactly what I expect from a leader. People should put themselves in others’ position before saying anything – what if someone in India says that Indonesia is a nation of stone worshippers?

    As for China, I don’t think they mind being called Godless, although the people aren’t exactly Godless. It seems like it is becoming a trend: we’re losing the battle, we can’t possibly compete with other nations, let’s just make derogatory comments and insult them.

  7. avatar Dymal says:
    May 1st, 2007 at 2:45 am

    However Islam continued its triumphant march across the world, he went on. There were now 1.3 billion Muslims and by immigration and high birth rates Muslims were becoming a major community in Europe and America.

    Over population is one of the Islamic country biggest problem, so high birth rate is not positive factor for “triumphant march”.

    Immigration is the same way, in Europe, most of moslem people that are coming are refugees. And then, becoming “a major community” in some parts of western countries is also not “triumphant”, why Pak Syafei is proud if most of them living in slum area and lagged behind the other immigrants.

    A leader who tells people things only to pleased them will not bring his people forward.

  8. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:
    May 1st, 2007 at 7:44 pm

    Muhammadiyah, used to be a shining light to Mainstream Islam in the past, attracting many educated, middle class Indonesian to its fold, unfortunately it seems that its senior members and leadership have failed to keep up with its past supporters. Amien’s speeches are starting to sound like the delusion rantings of Mahatir Mohammed, a man whom he appears to admire greatly, but instead of allowing the chinese and indians to contribute to this countries growth, he appears to want to alienate than by being insulting and down right rude! How does he think this makes the many ethnic chinese and Hindu who contribute to our nations economy feel?

    Foreign Imperialistic Forces, Economic Imperialism? Sounds more like the rantings of a tinpot communist dictator than somebody I would want influencing the people of Indonesia.

    They are both too tainted with politics, contaminated by the struggle for power and both seem to have forgotten what religion is all about.

    Unless we have some young and fresh faces in Muhammadiyah soon, it will be too late for them, and they will undo all the good work they did last century. They need to focus on what they have done well in the past, education and social welfare, they are not economists and never have been as far as I can see.

    Peace

  9. avatar George Ricketts says:
    November 15th, 2007 at 7:29 am

    As a former teacher in Jogyakarta, I was surprised to hear the comments of two of the most famous Muhammadiyah personalities, my former students and mentors there. What can Indonesia learn from China and India regarding their forms of globalization? Mainly that people can attain economic progress through hard work and economic policies instead of religious restrictions that impede improvements to the standard of living for the people. Islamic institutions and governments do need to emphasize more science, business and modernity, and balance its traditional moral and spiritual standards with the realities of the modern world. Population control is necessary to enable people to turn the corner on poverty and desperation. In that sense, China could be seen as an example of a nation that has made improvements in giving its people a chance for better lives with more hope. It’s hard for a becak driver or taxi driver to feel hopeful of the future for his family if he has five children even though they are all good Muslims.
    Globilization with a Muslim face is certainly an option and countries that accept the challange are rewarded. Of course, this doesn’t mean Americanization so global leaders have to analize their own situations regarding strengths and weaknesses. Islam has much to teach western countries through dialogue and patience. Extremism in any form is counter productive and can only lead to polarization and confusion among nations and cultures. Intimidation is a terrible way to conduct diplomacy.

  10. avatar Shloka says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Well, Indonesia was doing beautifully at the time of the Hindu Mahajapith empire. Indos today are worse than cow worshippers worshipping the God preached by a pedophile, rapist and mass murderer.

  11. avatar JACK says:
    October 3rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    IN ISLAM NO GUARANTEE LOOK AND READ SURAH 19:71 AND 72,ALSO HADITH 266 VOLUME 5. AND SURAH 46:9.

    READ SURAH 23:103 AND SURAH 21:47 AND SURAH 18:105.HOW CAN ANYONE SURE HIS GOOD DEED OUTWEIGH HIS BAD DEED IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE,THINK ABOUT IT.BE CAREFUL,BE WISE,BE VIGILANT

    God bless you brother,in Christ,Jacky

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