Prison Primitive

Mar 5th, 2007, in IM Posts, by

Putting criminals in prison is primitive, says ABB.

The head of the Mujahidin Council (Majelis Mujahidin Indonesia (MMI)) Abu Bakar Ba'asyir, said in Pontianak on the 4th that imprisoning criminals, contrary to popular belief, is not a modern (progressive) practice but a primitive one.

Prison sentences were too long, and it cost the government a lot of money to keep people in jail, and it caused the inmate's family to be neglected and to suffer, Bashir said. A punishment could only be considered modern if it were done quickly, were cheap, and had positive effects.

Islamic sharia punishments, such as hand amputation for serious cases of theft (likely where the value of goods is at least to the value of 85 grams of gold [1]), met the above conditions, he said.

Bashir, who spent 2.5 years in the Cipinang jail for terrorism offences (although he was later exonerated), reminisced about his time behind bars. He said that when he asked a fellow jailbird why the latter didn't mind spending time in prison the man said jail-time enabled him to get some rest before going onto his next dastardly deed. Everything was provided free of charge, food, a bed, and it was a relaxing time. [2]


17 Comments on “Prison Primitive”

  1. avatar John Orford says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 2:22 am

    Of course the irony is, that had Abu Bakar Ba’asyir been found guilty of terrorism in a Sharia state, there is a fair chance he would have been beheaded.

    I wonder would that have met his conditions for a “modern” punishment?

    Also, his exoneration would have then been pretty much academic. :)

  2. avatar Bas says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 3:21 am

    Sure. I always say hand amputation and lapidation are modern, practical and positive punishments.

    Right. That’s good for the inmate’s family too. Without hand(s) the guy will be very useful for his family for the rest of his life.

    Another brilliant idea from Indonesia.

  3. avatar Madesh says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 5:16 am

    Most countries in the world have prisons as means to rehabilitate the convicts. So it depends on how the system is carried out.
    As we can see most of the traffic accidents came from man’s faults and not vehicle’s faults.

    If for a theft case someone has to be amputated so for terrorism offence he should have been stoned to death.

  4. avatar John Orford says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 5:30 am

    As Madesh says, if Indonesia did apply Sharia, I doubt Mr. Ba’asyir would have been exonerated at all, he’d be 6 feet under.

  5. avatar spew-it-all says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 6:09 am

    Ba’asyir must have a narrow definition of modern. Madesh pointed out rightly that prison is functioning as rehabilitation centre. This function also implies that restorative justice is much more important than retributive one.

    LIPI should find a scholarship fund for him so he can be more knowledgeable next time.

  6. avatar Andrew says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 6:35 am

    The old man must have missed his medication again.

  7. avatar Dimp says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 6:58 am

    I think stoning to death, limb amputation, whipping are far more primitive than the prison system.

  8. avatar Ihaknt says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 12:32 pm

    If there is an auction on any site who can be the highest bidder to torture this old twat can someone let me know? I’d like to gauge his eyes out while digging my high hills on his crotch.

  9. avatar Madesh says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    No wonder.
    He was a convict in Malaysia, that’s why he had to flee illegally to Indonesia. Otherwise he would have been stoned to death.

    Why Indonesia doesn’t mind accepting him, that is the big question?

  10. avatar Manuel says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Ohhh pleeeease, can we apply him to stop Lapindo mud ……

  11. avatar Madesh says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    manuel,
    Of course we can, just load and tie him with the concrete ball for the next session.

  12. avatar Dimp says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    With the amount of hot air coming from his mouth, it’s gonna be bubbly.

  13. avatar Robert says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    Why didn’t ABB didn’t ask for sharia punushment when he appeared in court? He is bit late with his ideas now, it is rather cowardly of him to bring up this issue now he is walking around as a free man.
    Though I do think that we should pleasure Mr. Ba’asyir by giving him an appropriate sharia-based punishment on top of his jail-sentence. Ofcourse there will lots of volunteers who would be so courteous ro remove some bodyparts from Mr. Ba’asyir body or flog him to pulp.
    I agree with Mr. Ba’asyir that punishment should be carried out quickly and effective, and that it might have a positive effect.
    So it would be nice when Mr. Ba’asyir stepped forward to undergo severe physical punishment so we all can experience the wholesome effect it has on Indonesian society.

    So what is it gonna be Mr. Ba’asyir? You may talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

  14. avatar Mohammed Khafi says:
    March 5th, 2007 at 8:27 pm

    I really don’t know why anybody pays attention to this senile old man, How or why does he manage to create so much media attention. Just ignore him and his little group of religious retards and he will fade away.

    Lets have some positive news on Islam, some news of different religions working together for the community, for the environment, even for the country. Lets try to flood out the intolerant, ignorant and narrow minded with good news. There must be some surely?

    I just think that this old man and his outdated, archaic, religious view is not representative of most Muslims here and giving him lots of media attention makes him feel bigger and more powerful than he actually is. The Media have to shoulder some of the responsibility for his fame and the reach he has for spreading his viscious, hateful creed of Islam.

  15. avatar pj_bali says:
    March 6th, 2007 at 12:57 am

    MK

    They (the media) pay attention to him because he sells newspapers. People have a morbid fasciniation with bad news whether it be a traffic accident or a massacre. Having their own pet terrorist roaming around the country free to speak his mind? The media can’t get enough. On the other hand if he is given enough rope (freedom) perhaps he will do everyone a favor and hang himself.

    I think you have the right idea. However the small devil on my shoulder would love to see him publicly humiliated and discredited first – then he can be ignored.

    Regards.

  16. avatar Dimp says:
    March 6th, 2007 at 6:15 am

    Hi pj_bali

    I think you have the right idea. However the small devil on my shoulder would love to see him publicly humiliated and discredited first – then he can be ignored.

    I thought this has been done over and over again, unfortunately there are still portion of the public who have been blinded by his “charisma” (read: bullls__ t) and still think that he is a “holy” person.

  17. avatar Grace and Mercy says:
    March 6th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Patung, MK said

    I really don’t know why anybody pays attention to this senile old man, How or why does he manage to create so much media attention. Just ignore him and his little group of religious retards and he will fade away.

    I second that. Let’s stop posting stuff about him in our beloved “Indonesia Matters”.



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