Hidayat Nur Wahid

March 12th, 2007, in News, by Patung

Hidayat Nurwahid on the beauty and ugliness of sharia.

Hidayat Nur Wahid, one of the leaders of the parliament from the Islamist Justice Party, PKS, spoke recently on the topic of the “Beauty of Sharia” at the Islamic Book Fair (IBF) in Jakarta.

He said people had to understand that there were many different kinds of Muslim and that they had different understandings of sharia. Some Muslims thought of sharia in purely legalistic terms, others thought of it in terms of encouraging good character and behaviour. From the legalistic angle those who were listening to his speech, the attendees at the Book Fair, were committing a number of transgressions of Islamic law, he said. For example men and women were committing “proximity”, mixing freely.

Hidayat Nur Wahid

Hidayat guessed that of all the books on sale at the Fair those in the category of Islamic law were the least sought after. There was a message in this, he said, understanding of sharia should not be restricted to legalistic forms, and should not be too much associated with caning, stoning, hand amputation, and such like.

To Hidayat some matters that should be associated more strongly with applying sharia in a full, complete way were cleanliness and good hygiene, so as to avoid disease, elimination of corruption among officials and businessmen, because Islamic law forbade bribery and dishonesty, and professionalism at one’s work, so as to avoid transport accidents, perhaps like the recent Garuda crash. If sharia were applied properly 15% of Indonesians would not be illiterate, he added.

The main purpose of sharia was to create a society which was prosperous, peaceful, and fair. An issue like the Islamic economy and Islamic banking, finance and insurance was important in this, he said. Not only Muslims were becoming involved, and nearly all banks now had a shariah unit. Islamic banking promoted the practice of fairness, honesty, and transparency, and was a good example of sharia being employed for a useful, real-life outcome.

Additionally those of other faiths had to be considered, and living side by side with them tolerantly and peacefully was an important issue to be promoted. The beautiful things about sharia had to be emphasised, not the ugly. [1]

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46 Comments on “Hidayat Nur Wahid”

Bas Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 2:32 am
I see no beauty in dictating to people the way they have to live.

Sharia is just an old fashioned patriarchal, dictatorial, fascist code that should be prohibited in any sane and modern country. Titik.
Dimp Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 4:30 am
Islamic law forbade bribery and dishonesty

So those corrupt officials will stop once shariah is implemented? Is he kidding himself?
Robert Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 5:41 am
Islamic law forbade bribery and dishonesty

Present Indonesian law allows bribery and dishonesty then?

so as to avoid transport accidents, perhaps like the recent Garuda crash.

Does sharia-based law give directions about how to maintain railroad networks, ferryboats or to fly a Boeing 737?

The main purpose of sharia was to create a society which was prosperous, peaceful, and fair.

Laws by themselves don’t make a society prosperous and peaceful, only people can do that. As long as people don’t change, you can change as many laws as many you want, nothing will happen. Again someone is presenting sharia-based law as being the miracle cure for Indonesian society, without substantiating this with evidence.
Madesh Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 5:48 am
It is pretty awkward to say “The beautiful things about sharia had to be emphasised, not the ugly”
For everything we have to consider the good and the bad proportionately in order to be fair.
Niamh Piperman Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 6:56 am
I see the implementation of Sharia law resulting in increased discrimination between religions. The majority will see S.L as being the answer to Indonesia’s problems, but when there is no difference in lawfulness, crimes instigated by ‘Christians’ will be emphasised and crimes instigated by ‘Muslims’ will be more or less covered up. Similar to what happens in Bali - anything bad happening is automatically considered the misdeeds of Javanese residents. Those committed by Balinese are swept under the carpet.
Ihaknt Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 7:41 am
Unless sharia is a name of a woman I see no beauty in it. It will suppress women’s basic rights and intelligence.
El Grancombo Puertorico Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 8:19 am
Why are those syariahists so delusional? Is it because of the food they eat? Or the book they read?
Dimp Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 9:01 am
I think it is more the food that they don’t eat and the books that they don’t read.
Ihaknt Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 9:25 am
El, they make their own interpretation and they have their horse blinkers on and think that they are more superior than others. They don’t understand that religious beliefs are that, BELIEFS. If one doesnt believe then others should not force it!
Tomaculum Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Guys, they would get much benefits if sharia is adapted, wouldn’t they?
I think for these people is Panca Sila no more worth (or different interpreted? especially the 1st sentence: Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa? Because in their understanding there is just one God? )
Mohammed Khafi Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Tom, the benefit they would gain is that nobody would be allowed to question anything they say. No debate or reasoning allowed, any dissenters or people with differing opinions tolerated.

With our outstanding reputation of being one of the most corrupt countries in the world, even in Departement Agama, It would be an ideal solution for certain people to bleed the country dry and not be open to critisism or justice.

What these people forget is that Al Quran clearly forbids compulsion in religion:

“Compulsion is incompatible with religion, therefore let there be no compulsion in religion. Now has the path of rectitude been made distinct from the path of error and holiness from vindictiveness. Therefore, he who rejects false beliefs and turns his attention to God with a religious mind, will have grasped firmly at the eternal, the unchangeable and the most secure hand-hold which shall never separate nor shall it suffer a break, and God is Omnipresent with illimitable audition, Omniscient” (Surah Al- Baqarah, Aye 256).

“Had God willed (O Muhammed), He would have induced all people domiciled on earth to conform to His will and to His system of faith and worship. Would you then twist peoples’ opinions into accordance with your party and force them to conform to Islam!” (Surah Yunus, Aye 99).

When will they ever learn?
Madesh Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Do they have any big enough brain to learn?
Yunir Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
I see that most commentators here have a false sense of what sharia is.
But the most amazing thing I realise is that this person: Hidaya Nur Wahid has also shown that he lacks the understanding of what sharia is.

Sharia is essentially a set of rules that govern Muslims and that’s it. It should not be imposed on non-Muslims and it should be a seperate institution, independent from the judiciary body. This is the case for non-Islamic country.

In Muslim countries, sharia laws should not exist. Because having a sharia system is implying that there exist another system which is not Islamic (i.e: the national laws must in itself be based on Qur’an, Hadith, Ijma & Qiyas). How can a country call itself an Islamic country if it has non-Islamic laws for the Muslims?

What may exist to ‘cater’ to Non-Muslims would then be a set of rules that is seperate from the national laws of that Islamic country - a secularistic law to be imposed only on non-Muslims.

And because Indonesia is a non-Islamic country, if sharia is to be implmented, it should exist independently and not to be imposed as a national law - to non-Muslims.
SE Asian Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
The main purpose of sharia was to create a society which was prosperous, peaceful, and fair

China and India do not need shariah law to start from scratch. China is now an economic power and India is on her way up. The reason why Indonesia is a 3rd world nation is that corruptions have become a tradition under Pak Harto. Now that he is gone, it is time for us to rebuilt our great country. Indonesia is not a poor country, but a very badly mismanaged one. Shariah Law can only impede our progress as it is very Middle Eastern and male-centred, as opposed to our equal-gender society pre-Islamic era.
Mohammed Khafi Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
yunir,

Forget about most commentators here, most Muslims have a false sense of what Sharia is, look at the different interpretations around the world. They all in contradict what Allah has given us in Al Quran.

Sharia as a set of laws or rules is not mentioned once in Al Quran as such, it is purely and simply Allah’s Straight Path, and should be followed by the individual and not by society as a whole. It should not be enforced on anybody be they Muslim or not. Don’t forget Allah’s statement that there should be no compulsion in religion!

Peace.
1ndra Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Hmm, some laws exist in Quran, like cutting the hand and lashes.
Mohammed Khafi Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
yunir said:

Sharia is essentially a set of rules that govern Muslims and that’s it

The Straight Path that is Allah’s is given for all people to follow:

“He has made plain to you of the religion what He enjoined upon Nuh and that which We have revealed to you and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim and Musa and Isa that keep to obedience and be not divided therein; hard to the unbelievers is that which you call them to; Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself him who turns (to Him), frequently.” 42:13

Sharia is not your Arabic tradition inspired, manmade laws, It is something so great that you obviously are unable to comprehend it. It is not what divides people, it is what inspires them to come together as one, working for tolerance and understanding, caring for the poor and dispossesed, spreading justice and equality and most importantly love of God.

And you said:

Hidaya Nur Wahid has also shown that he lacks the understanding of what sharia is.

When you yourself also fail to understand it?

Peace
Tomaculum Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
yunir,
surely I don’t really understand sharia. But I understand that Indonesia is (still) a secular country, where many people live with different religions and believes and that Indonesia already has a good law.
If Sharia is implemented, which law or reglementation should then used in arguable cases?
Two laws in a country? Like two pilots in a plane?
What about the case if the Hindus also want their religious rules implemented? And the Christians? And if the dayaks and the papuan people want it too?
Btw: why are you wondering about the wrong understanding of non moslems about sharia if many moslems themselves do it?
Mohammed Khafi Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
1ndra said

Hmm, some laws are exist in Quran, like cut hand and lashes”¦

Regardsing Cutting of the Hand, you have been shown before different interpretations of the relevant verse in Al Quran, which are more indicative of a merciful, understanding God, but you still choose the most violent, that says something about your character does it not?

As for lashing, it is in the Quran, and it can be applied to those who freely admit the jurisdiction of Quranic law if they are proven to commit adultery, that is betraying the contract with their spouses. It is in reality a public shame, rather than a harsh physical punishment, since the word used for lash is JiLD, derived from the same root used for skin.

Peace
Bas Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
Does sharia-based law give directions about how to maintain railroad networks, ferryboats or to fly a Boeing 737?

With the help of God, Inch Allah, all passengers will arrive safely to their destination.
Niamh Piperman Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 6:58 am
yunir Says:

March 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pm

Sharia is essentially a set of rules that govern Muslims and that’s it. It should not be imposed on non-Muslims and it should be a seperate institution, independent from the judiciary body. This is the case for non-Islamic country.

In theory it sounds nice and easy, but in practice it will be a completely different thing. Discrimination of non-Muslims has existed in Indonesia for a long time. Look at these quotes from a Time Magazine article -

In West Java, three women are serving three-year prison terms for running Christian kindergarten classes also attended by Muslim children.

Why are the women in prison? Is there a law that says you can’t teach a Christian kindergarten class? If Christian parents willingly sent their children to a Muslim kindergarten would the teachers be arrested for trying to ‘convert’ the Christian children ti Islam???

and again, same article…

At many public schools in Jakarta, female students and teachers are strongly encouraged to wear the jilbab on Fridays””and face stigmatization if they don’t.

Why are they ’strongly encouraged’? - it’s a public, ie, secular, school. Some of the students and teachers may not be Muslim. Btw, I also know it’s increadibly difficult for a non-Muslim to gain promotions in the public service - further discrimination (dhimmis).

and again…

As for southern Sulawesi’s non-Muslim minority, who are required to wear headscarves if they want to enter civil service, Hasan says, “It’s just like any uniform, where you wear a shirt of a specific color. There’s no problem.”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1592576-1,00.html

It’s not just like any other uniform, it’s a Muslim uniform which non-Muslims are being forced to wear.

Under Sharia law non-Muslims will be ‘pursuaded’ to increasinlgy practice ‘Muslim’ activities at the risk of facing stigamtisation.

NP
Tomaculum Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Niamh Piperman,
some people want simply to complete the sumpah pemuda with a 4th sentence:
1. Satu bangsa, bangsa Indonesia
2. Satu bahasa, bahasa Indonesia
3. Satu negara, negara Indonesia
4. Satu agama, …. ?
1ndra Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
which are more indicative of a merciful, understanding God, but you still choose the most violent, that says something about your character does it not?

This morning I read and watch the crime news in newspaper and televesion, there are murders.
Two of them are might be business or just rob crime and the victim shot two death by about 6 shots and the killer was clever enough to plan the murder near a shooting training range and people surrounding it sure heard the gunshots but didn’t know that it was a cold blooded murder.
The other one is a rape to death.
Well those two are enough to show that many criminals don’t need merciful compassion.
Mohammed Khafi Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
1ndra,

This is not just about punishing criminals, it is much deeper than that. Capital punishment does not work it is not a deterrent, just look at the overcrowded jails in America for proof of that. Has our death penalty succeeded in stopping drug smugglers from smuggling their drugs into Indonesia, the answer is no!

“And not alike are the good and the evil. Repel (evil) with what is best, when lo! he between whom and you was enmity would be as if he were a warm friend.” 41:34

Peace
Dimp Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Hi MK,

For me death penalty were not supposed to be just a deterrent, just because the jail is full doesn’t mean that death penalty is not a deterrent. Can you imagine if there were no death penalties maybe the jails will be more than just full.

Death penalty is also to penalise criminals that have stepped beyond humanity, once a person acted inhumanely then maybe death penalty is the only way.
Mohammed Khafi Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Dimp,

There are many examples of countries where there is no capital punishment which have lower violence and crime rates than those who have the death penalty. I just don’t think that taking life, which is something God given, is a solution.

Peace
1ndra Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Has our death penalty succeeded in stopping drug smugglers from smuggling their drugs into Indonesia, the answer is no!

Sure no, but less heartless criminals to go and less people to be victims.

There are many examples of countries where there is no capital punishment which have lower violence

We live here, in Indonesia, not abroad. Count the capital punishment in Indonesia please then compare to the cold blooded criminals in jails and free from jail criminals who are making another crime (Penjahat kambuhan).

and crime rates than those who have the death penalty. I just don’t think that taking life, which is something God given, is a solution.

Then there’s should be a solution to reduce the cold blooded criminals to protect honest people. Show me, please.
El Grancombo Puertorico Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Talking about death penalty, do you know the status of amrozy, imam samudra, etc? I thought they all wanted to go to heaven to dance salsa with the angels, like these ones: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oAl8RgSQGaA (warning, it’s not salsa).

Are they there already? I heard they all have just changed their mind, maybe they want to stay here — with us, infidels — taking more time for their salsa course.
Cukurungan Says:
March 13th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Khafi,

Why US jail is overcrowded?
Is their sophisticated law not working or it is working too well. Might I know the answer, because of sharia enforcement.

Have you thought before making such a conclusion “Capital punishment does not work it is not a deterrent, just look at the overcrowded jails in America for proof of that”.

It seemed you’re starting to enjoy making a statement without “THINKING”. Might this time you think with “your small head”. Beware you will be complained at by “super moderator”.

Thanks,
sokpintarman
Ihaknt Says:
March 14th, 2007 at 4:38 am
Khafi, ABB deserves the death penalty and so do the Bali bombers. The effects of what they did rippled more on the locals than it did to the people they intended to hurt.
Dimp Says:
March 14th, 2007 at 4:47 am
Hi MK,

I agree with you that there are countries that don’t apply death penalty and have lower crime rate, but as I said earlier the death penalty is not only a deterrent, but also as a punishment for crimes that are just so henous in nature.

One can just also say that if the death penalty is applied to those countries the crime rate can be much lower.

I believe I have argued before with someone in this forum that in some cases, death penalty is warranted. Amrozy and the other bali bombers certainly fit the profile. Can you imagine if these “animals” are to be released to the society?
Mohammed Khafi Says:
March 17th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Well Guys,

I can see that I am in a minority here, I just cannot comprehend taking a life which is given by God for the sake of revenge, because when it comes down to it, that is all it is. Capital punishment as far as I can see serves no purpose as a deterrent, and all the crime statistics prove that. I admit that there are horrendous crimes which no can stir up such passions, but I cannot see that sinking to the same level as the criminals serves a purpose. I am not suggesting that these people be kept at the nations cost to be released at some later date, to commit their crimes again. But I feel that there should be some way of making them pay the people and the community for their crimes and that they should be made to live in shame for what they have done, giving them the rest of their lives to come to the realisation that the crime that they have commited has made them worthy of nothing more than loathing and disgust. No luxuries like books, newspapers, TV or radio, phones, laptop PC’s and especially no facilities for religious worship, because they have already shown their lack of faith in God by their actions, and make them work for their keep doing something which will have some benefit for the peoples that they have harmed, no work, then let them stave themselves to death, and no returning the bodies to their family and friends at their deaths, let them be incinerated like the rubbish that they are.
Ihaknt Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 8:17 am
that they should be made to live in shame for what they have done, giving them the rest of their lives to come to the realisation that the crime that they have commited has made them worthy of nothing more than loathing and disgust.

MK, come on laah. I reckon the chance of this happening is smaller than anything or bacterias that are visible under a microscope! These people have lost their mind not to mention their compassion, urat malu, common sense, etc that set us apart from loonies and animals. They have no shame, even worse they are actually proud and convinced they have done a good deed.
Aluang anak Bayang Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Niamh Piperman,
some people want simply to complete the sumpah pemuda with a 4th sentence:
1. Satu bangsa, bangsa Indonesia
2. Satu bahasa, bahasa Indonesia
3. Satu negara, negara Indonesia
4. Satu agama, “¦. ?

1. Satu bangsa, bangsa Indorab (offsprings from nikah mut’ah by Arab men)
2. Satu bahasa. bahasa Arab
3. Satu negara, negara Indonesia
4. Satu agama, agama Arab.

Indonesian women are not receptacle of Arab sperm. Let the Arab men sow their sperm somewhere else. If they true to our Indonesian women, they have to marry them properly and take care of their children. We are a weak and poor nation now and they are taking advantage of our women. There is nothing beautiful in the their barbaric law. Say NO to shariah. NO to contract marriages, NO to polygamy and NO to beating of women.
Cukurungan Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 9:28 am
Aluang,

Arab, bule, korean and japanese, all of them were discharged their sperm here why you so concern about Arab sperm while not to other sperm.

You can say anything but your option is very limited. Bush said you can run from sharia but you couldn’t hide from them.

We exactly know what your intention with your post “all of you so afraid with “sharia law” and we will take advantage by riding your promoted democracy system to apply “sharia” city by city and province by province.

regards,
Dirty Moslem.
Ihaknt Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 9:55 am
We exactly know

We? I think you should’ve put “I”.

I don’t see that from Aluang’s posts. But I can understand his frustration, concerns and despair toward women’s welfare. And you associate yourself with all sorts names, so why are you marring your own credibility and expect us to actually hear you let alone listen to you?
Aluang anak Bayang Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Cukurungan, don’t you notice the difference! The Arabs do it in the name of Islam, and our indoctrinated Indonesian idiots happily accepted their lie. This post is about shariah law, dear.
Dimp Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Hi MK,

No luxuries like books, newspapers, TV or radio, phones, laptop PC’s and especially no facilities for religious worship.

I think we can see this happening in Indonesia already.
Cukurungan Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Ihaknt,

My girls you’re correct , it should “I” and not “we” but why you didn’t answer my bid.

Btw your flag is too high why do you thought our government has concern about women welfare while the welfare of teachers, low rank armies and police officers are neglected.

Aluang,

Sex is sex , I never heard f***k in the name of the religion yes there was Arabic man when raided by police was using a religion as cover their adultary but “so what” if their aldutery are against our law system, it should be the police task to put them on jail.

If Indonesia is under sharia law and enforced it properly I think they will think 3 times before committed such thing.

Don’t tell me about Arabic or cleric indoctrination, I was never attended madrasa, pesantren and I never meet ABB or even hearing his speech.
Ihaknt Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Im not for sale. And You should be grateful as I dont treat men nicely. It’s very laughable for you to think that women are for sale. I guess you can only meet them that way in your case. What makes you think that the Sharia Law will fix things in Indo? It will further make Indo lag behind.
Aluang anak Bayang Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Sex is sex , I never heard f***k in the name of the religion yes there was Arabic man when raided by police was using a religion as cover their adultary but “so what” if their aldutery are against our law system, it should be the police task to put them on jail.

If Indonesia is under sharia law and enforced it properly I think they will think 3 times before committed such thing.

Don’t tell me about Arabic or cleric indoctrination, I was never attended madrasa, pesantren and I never meet ABB or even hearing his speech.

It is precisely what you described, ‘f***k in the name of the religion’. It destroys the fabric of our society and kept us in the cycle of poverty. We have to break this chain, and to do this, we have to look into the root of the problem which is Islam. My family were original native of Nganjuk, and we have seen the evil of foreign Muslim men preying on our women in the area, under the cover of Islam. Other nationals paid for sex in red light districts but Arab men did it in our living room, and you and your Muslim SAP are condoning it. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Ihaknt Says:
March 20th, 2007 at 7:04 am
Aluang, I agree with most of your post and very much respect your support towards women. I also hear your frustration and despair towards these unlucky women. But at the same time, Islam is currently very misunderstood. It’s easy to misunderstand it with the way the followers behave, i.e. the Arabs - who unfortunately are very sombong to think that they get away with things, which in Islam kesombongan is not what God likes. But please bear in mind that these followers have made, make, have been taught, and interpreted the religion to suit and justify their own needs and actions, in particular the men’s needs and desire. The Islam I know is not like that at all. It’s a peaceful belief.

So, my point is, it’s not the religion to blame, it’s the followers who freely interpret ayats to suit their needs. It still amazes me how different the Islam I know from the Islam I see on TV. Anyway, thank you for your support for women, we need more people lilke you.
Cukurungan Says:
March 20th, 2007 at 8:28 am
Aluang,

Thanks finally, you disclosed yourself who you’re “Islam Phobia”. Can you tell me who is preying on balinese kids? Arabic Men or Turkey Men you tell me.

Could you tell me why Philippines becomes the biggest exporter of PSK? Is there Islam a majority or Is there any sharia law in place.

I hear by my own ear that a bule told to me he so enjoyed on “hunting” ibu-2 (not girls) in mall and the public facilities.

You know exactly where is the bule kid sucker find the heaven in the south east asia. Fortunately, it is not in Indonesia but in non-moslem majority country Thailand, Kambodia and Philippine. Why like that?

For sure, we moslem never condoned the adultery committer including the Arabic man, just 3 months ago an Arabic footballer was sent back to his home country because when masses raided his rooms it was found lady not his wives.

regard,
Dirty Moslem
Dragonwall Says:
July 13th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
I think it is all BS. Everyone is so eager to queue up in line and have 4 or 6 wives.
Some even have the cheek trying to express their views and what was stipulated in the Qu’ran and impose on other’s life where it has nothing to do with others except them, the Muslims. You don’t dictate a person’s life like running a country. The Islamic religion is a way, a thought that teaches people to be civilized and preserve culture. But on the other hand if it is your belief and it is your religion do not make it to look as thoug it is everyone’s religion. I find nothing fascinating in the Islamic religion!
so what is democracy? Is there any more democracy in an Islamic country/state/nation? Or perhaps someone will transformed the religion into Islamocracy! Or are those two bit religious scholars trying to run Indonesia like Iran, Irag, Afghanistan, and or make it into “Indo Whose Tan”? And call themselves “Or Same Been Laiden” or “How Much Bin How Many”!
When they cry out their Muslim HAM so where does it stand now for the others?
There are the world that belief Indonesia is safe, is it?
Basically SBY is not as strong as Soeharto. If each and every Indonesian were to look around themselves, the surrounding, camparing to the world during the soeharto era and the post Soeharto Era. I will bet, besides seeing many new faces no one knows, you will salute Soeharto’s handling of Indonesia.
hidayah Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Peace upon you

Well guys,

We moslems believe in life after death. Do you? We believe that life is not the end of the journey. We don’t look for enemies, but we don’t hide when they come. We want to be friends with all of you with mutual respect. We respect your beliefs and you respect ours. We respect your “secular belief”. So please respect our “God-based” belief. If you want to live your life your own way, let us live our own. Don’t let your hatred controls you, what you say and what you do. In sharia law, there are public and private matters. We have our majority values for the public matters. That’s democracy, isn’t it? We don’t force you to do sholat 5 times a day, to do fasting every ramadhan, to pay zakat other than your tax, to believe in one and only Allah Swt.. We never gonna do that. But if 51 out of 100 people think that a women walking in the street using bikini, or a man kissing a woman in public are immoral, then why you force us to think the other way around? We are a sovereign country, we can decide whatever things that we think are the best for most of our people. If your country decided to have other way of thinking, no problem. It’s your sovereignity. It’s not our mistake if your country choose to be secular. It’s your people’s decision. So let us decide on our own. And we are friends, not enemies.

Peace upon you.
ahmad Says:
December 16th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Salam to all of you.
I just want to learn to join in this room because this room is energetic and colorful.
Well, to be honest, I am one of TKI in Saudi Arabia. But there is no reason to join in this nice site. Regarding islamization Indonesia is still debatable. Because to me, Indonesia population is not only Muslim, but also non Muslim. So, the state should be neutral from religion. Secular state. But what do you think if there is notion that it is normal if there is the pressure to islamization Indonesia, because the majority population of Indonesia is Muslim? But I am not sure, do this majority support Islam as a state or no. Because Islam in Indonesia is not a single one.
That’s all what I can write here.
ahmad.
tki saudi arabia