Anti-Chinese Violence

February 6th, 2007, in News, by Patung

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Odinius Says:
July 14th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
As horrible as the riots were, saying it’s “the pribumis” fault is really off the mark. Compared with the Indonesian population, or even Jakarta’s, very few of those you might label “pribumi” took part. Once you make blanket generalizations based on some event, you are implicating people who are innocent as well as those who are guilty. This is exactly the type of thinking that led to the riots themselves, when the angry and easily led mob went after working class and middle class Chinese in Glodok, etc. because they were angry at some tycoons, thinking they were all the same because they were all “Chinese.”

Kadal Hijau said:

The problem here is a corrupt and an ineffective government that abuse its power, justice system that favors only the rich & powerful, and unbalanced economy development. Indonesian chinese can help by being less exclusive, interact more, and not look down at the pribumis. And the Pribumi can help by being more trusting and view the chinese indonesian as an equal citizen of Indonesia. When interacting with each others, don’t look at the race, religion, and the skin color of each others; but think that everyone as a citizen of Indonesia.

I think i mostly agree with this.

New question…there isn’t much anti-Chinese violence anymore. Is this because things have improved? Is it because 1996-1999 was a very unique and unstable period?
Kadal Hijau Says:
July 15th, 2008 at 1:23 am
To DXP and replay:

You are either part of the solution or part of the problem:

You are part of the solution if:
You make an effort to make friends from another race/religion
You have a friend from another race/religion and do something together (eat lunch, do/work on something positive).
Help other people regardless of race/religion.
Interact with your neighbours.

You are part of the problem or exacerbate the problem if:
You don’t have a friend from another race/religion.
You treat your workers and servant as a slave.
You think that other people are lower than you, e.g. lower genetic makeup or intelligence.
Bribe officials to get a favor for yourself, your family, or your business.
Favors people at work or outside of work because of race/religion.
Polute/damage the environment or destory natural resources just to gain a profit or prestige.
Pay your worker with the least amount of paycheck that you can get by with.
Store staple items, e.g. rice, gas, more than the necessary amount.
Collude to increase the price of consumer items.

If you are going to be part of the problem, either pribumi or chinese, by all means, please do leave Indonesia.
replay Says:
July 15th, 2008 at 9:41 am
udah ga usah habisin nafas ngmgin masalah racism di indo…100taun ke dpn jg ga bakal berubah kok…bye2 g cabut selamanya….
Kadal Hijau Says:
July 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Odinius:

New question…there isn’t much anti-Chinese violence anymore. Is this because things have improved? Is it because 1996-1999 was a very unique and unstable period?

A very good point. Are we going to see a repeat with the rising costs of food, goods, and gas? If they go high enough, will there be a general unrest or will there be another ’scapegoat’ to blame?
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 11:50 am
@ DXP and Replay

If there is no smoke, there is no fire. The Chinese ain’t behaving well either. With traid-like mentality and stinky Singaporean attitude, anti-Chinese sentiment were easily fanned up by shrewd politicans whenever scapegoats were needed. Probably after decades of ‘persecutions’, the Indon-Chinese were to an extent less street-wise and loud-mouthed as their Hongkee and Singaporean counterparts.

Calling Javanese anti-Chinese or racist, my arse. Where the concentration of Javanese are higher, there were lesser violence; where a Chinese befriended a Javanese elite, he was protected and well rewarded with immense wealth. I have 3 sisters (2 were of Chinese origin) adopted at infant ages. They were doted on, raised by Chinese nannies in Singapore, graduated from the States , and on insistence of my parents were sent for further education in China to remind them of their heritage. I know a few others with adopted Chinese kids. Back to business and politics wise, Chinese need to be reined in by the power at hand, otherwise we would be servant in our own land. Dig it?
Odinius Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
It’s one thing if you compare me (a foreigner) to an Indonesian, or compare a local (say Dayak) to a migrant (say Chinese or Javanese), but the whole idea of “our land” put in ethnic terms among Indonesians who are born in the same area is illiberal.
Deng Xiao Ping Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I am not concerned about si bayang & si kadal’ views because their time is almost over, I am more concerned about Vera’s attitudes and the rest of younger generation who live in fatamorghana …
because to the majority of terrorist attitudes, you make up the whole reasons on why Indonesia goes to drain from time to time like today … and to solve that matter, no one can help the majority to change your very wrong attitude against minorities … and you never expect the minorities to rebuild this country to be like super power like China for example, simply we are outnumbered full stop,.. else those are majority with retarded & lethargic attitudes which is who care ? why would minority fix your attitude problems ?

got it ? bottom line, it is waste of time indeed
Deng Xiao Ping Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
one more thing, what make Indonesia majority different to the rest of developed countries?
Developed & progressing countries have
1. never blame on the minorities because minorities is out numbered in quantity therefore it is easier to control. In case of majority feel or perceives can not control the outnumbered minorities then something must be wrong as ‘ada kerja sama’ aka ‘TsT aka ‘ABS = asal bapak senang’ aka ‘ali-baba’ aka etc … banyak deh
2. do not see the needs to have a minority scape goats for every failures the majority had made, because they are successful and too busy to hu ha for busy body
Person Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
one more thing, what make Indonesia majority different to the rest of developed countries?
Developed & progressing countries have
1. never blame on the minorities because minorities is out numbered in quantity therefore it is easier to control. In case of majority feel or perceives can not control the outnumbered minorities then something must be wrong as ‘ada kerja sama’ aka ‘TsT aka ‘ABS = asal bapak senang’ aka ‘ali-baba’ aka etc … banyak deh

First of all, how could compare Indonesia to a developed country? we are not even close to their standard. Of course we will be worse off in comparison to USA, New Zealand, Australia etc, they have better standard of living. If everyone in Indonesia have the same standard of living and a decent level of education, who would bother committing crime, they simply have no reason for it. If they have jobs that provide them with a standard of living, they’ll think twice before destroying it.

now comparing them to developing countries on the other hand, i can give you a few examples of backlash from the ‘ethnic majority’ of the country to the market-dominant minorities.

Latin America.
In Bolivia the minority ‘whites’ dominate the economy while the rest 65% of the population (ethnic Aymara and Quechua) are impoverished. The visible ‘gap’ finally reached in 2001, to quote Felipe Quispe (known as the great condor of Aymaran) Bolivia land “Belongs to the Aymara and Quechua Indians and not the whites”. Looking at the rest of the countries in Latin America, most if not all, of the market dominant entrepreneurs are the ‘whites’. This fact has lead to a lot of sentiment towards the market-dominant minorities in Latin America.

Europe.
Look at Russia (arguably progressing country if not developed), their oligarch are of Jewish decent (again minority in Russia), and there are sentiments againts them, the so call ’skin heads’ are on the rise in Russia.
Croatians in the former Yugoslavia also is a market-dominant minorities, and just ask any Croats that survived the Serbian concentration camp of the early 1990’s, their horrible exprience that they have to endure just because their “ethnic” brothers hold more in the economy.

Africa
Hutus killed 800,000 thousand Tutsis in the span of three months, again the result of backlash againts the so called market-dominant minority.
Zimbabwe drove the white farmers out of the country, by forcing them to give their land and ultimately driving the economy straight into a state of collapse. The reason they are the market-dominant minority.
South Africa, Market-dominant whites VS the majority blacks, the result of which I’m quite confident all people know.

Asia
Malaysia, the race based killings of the 1960, should i say more.
Indonesia Jakarta 1998
Burma, if you have the time travel there and ask the native Burmans what they think about the so called ‘the chinese invasion’ there.
Sri Lanka, hatred between the majority Sinhalese and the minority Ceylon Tamils.
India market dominant minority might not exist in the national level, but to give an example at the state level; Northern state of Assam, between the 1979 and 1983 enraged Assamese majority reportedly are involved in vicious ethnic riots.

there are others of such example, if you want to find out more read the book by Amy Chua. The title is World on fire, its the National best seller in America.

Developed country never blamed in on minorities? How bout German prosecution of the Jews, in fact why don’t we go even further and and examine it as far as the medieval time, even before the birth of Christ. History book will tell you the atrocities of the majority towards the market-dominant minority (which in most cases are Jews). The reason why developed country has been good so far is because they have a good standard of living. Would you go and kill people when you can just sit at home and play games, watch TV eat some snack etc. they are well off, of course the chances of them running amok-targeted at minorities are small. Imagine if in Australia the Whites are living on $2 a day and the Aborigines living it up with $1000 a day? dont you think there will be some tension? Just look at South Africa.

The reason why Wrote those examples is to point out its not quite (although race also play a role) a racial base hatred, its a market dominant minority based hatred. It’s not only happen in Indonesia, its everywhere. The reason for such hatred is simple, a large gap economically coupled with ethic divide. One of the way to avoid this can be by simply; don’t show off the ‘economic gap’ in other words hide your wealth and simply show it in a more respectful manner.

One last question to DXP.
Why would you bother to post in a site called Indonesia Matter if your point of view so far seems to promote the opposite, that Indonesia doesn’t matter?
Kadal Hijau Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
There are always extremists on every sides. DXP is a clear example of one from the Chinese side. It’s good to know that the majority of the Chinese people that I know, either Indonesian or mainland ones, are not like him/her.
Irman Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I dont understand why some people like saying that chinese always use money to bribe the government n cause corruption. But let me ask u something, if they dont use money to bribe the government will the government help them ? Iam very clear about that because im currently working in a company owned by chinese(indonesians). the government tends to make things difficult when they are dealing with chinese n asking “extra cost” to them
Odinius Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Irman said:

I dont understand why some people like saying that chinese always use money to bribe the government n cause corruption. But let me ask u something, if they dont use money to bribe the government will the government help them ? Iam very clear about that because im currently working in a company owned by chinese(indonesians). the government tends to make things difficult when they are dealing with chinese n asking “extra cost” to them

You just hit the nail on the head.

Then, like in May 1998, some of those forces that have been taking the “extra cost” foment violence against minorities like the Chinese in Indonesia, or Jews in Russia before 1917, or Indians/Pakistanis in Uganda during the 1960s, etc. to either keep or take power, while covering up they they are the ones asking for and taking the bribes, before AND after the violence occurs.
Aluang Anak Bayang Says:
July 16th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Mas Deng Xiao Ping,

Take a closer look at Malaysia and Brunei, our 2 nusantara neighbours. Do you think their Chinese population enjoy as much freedom as Indon Chinese? You are simply whinging too much.
Deng Xiao Ping Says:
July 17th, 2008 at 11:34 am
AAB, am fully aware of the situation in msia and brunei. That’s why I am posting my view based on my experiences living in Indon msia brunei are the same ’setali 3 wang’. I am sent by the DXP to enlighten my indonesian chinese brothers who is living in ‘fatamorghana’, especially those who never live outside Indon. Others may think I am an extrimist chinese, in other hand I am only asking what I deserve as ‘basic human right’ being of citizen in Indonesia full stop. An extrimist is a bunch of moron who want to force their ideology above than his basic human right to live together peacefully with other races. Example : hisbut tahrir want to set up an islamic state of CHINA, and offcourse DXP can not stand it
Purba Negoro Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 12:45 am
DXP= Sukarno wannabe.

But like all Chinese products, derivative and poorer quality

Chinese are architects of their own demise.
Don’t like Indonesia? Leave. Simple.
Sylvester Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 5:06 am
Can Indonesia make missiles, jet fighters, tanks, submarines with quality approaching NATO standard?
Can Indonesia send people to space?
Can Indonesia become the biggest manufacturer?
Can Indonesia rank 1 in Olympic Games?
Who was the greatest nation during for thousand years before Western domination and today is getting back to that era?
Dear PN, many thing Indo have to learn from China.
Purba Negoro Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Sylvester- you and DXP like many Chinese are the real racist with your “one white covers a hundred blemish” mentality.

You see anyone darker than you as inferior.
Because you’re skin is almost the same tone as a white because Chinese are incredibly superficial- you think that you’re the same.

Don’t bulllshit- I’ve been to China, Singapore,Hong Kong, Tawian many, many times.
That’s how I know that stupid idiom after being apologised to by embarrassed Chinese hosts etc

Typical Chinese reductionism- highlighting cultural perhaps disposition to solely linear thought processes + arbitrary self-aggrandizement of superioriry complex sufferer.
Superiority complex created by deep inner feeling of inadequacy.

Admittedly China is many years ahead of Indonesia now. Why? Stability, better planning and money.

Why is Singapore advanced? No democracy, excellent economic advisor Dutchman Artemius (now dead) and huge US-UK soft loans- again money and planning.

Not genetics, not race, not skin colour, not religion- MONEY.
Money for education/technical expertise, R&D and high technology plant machinery for superior end products.

Many- including Japan- do not make high-capital weapon because it’s more economical to buy off-the-shelf.

China makes weapons- all reverse engineered or built with external specialist advise because other nations will impose embargo if they feel threatened- like Iran produces high-tech missiles and soon all of Arabia as oil runs out.

But, in your Chinese racist mind you cannot resolve the Chinese-racist paradox of a tanned Muslim + technical ability.

Indonesians have no problem with Indian, Japanese,
Caucasian or Arab minority. Africans are problematic because they are frequently drug-runners.

Why Chinese only? Their actions and treatment- not their appearance.
In our language- we have “hitam manis”- black sugar/sweety (implying wilder in bed)

In Chinese: “one white covers a hundred blemishes” , Gwai lo? = deep rooted cultural racism.

Go lead a book lah, no watch Channor News Asia meh? That one all fart not shit.
And no more talking cock.
Sylvester Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
He he, speaking about racism I am nothing compare to you PN. And comments from others did confirm it. Maybe DXP is a bit too far sometime and I do not always agree with him. However, what Indonesia really need is not such a people like PN who only can spread hatred. PN is really sick and want to contaminate everyone. Indonesian pribumi in general are good, Chinese are good also. Sometimes problem happened because of the political pressure, cultural clash, or economic competition which can happen anywhere. Indonesia did have problem with Chinese simply because of some political reason. Today, Indonesia hate American govn more than Chinese also because of political reason. The China-Indonesia relationship now is improving a lot. Recently TNI AL purchased Chinese C-802 anti-ship missile system for its fregat. So, never let a bastard like PN to poison our mind.

P.S: I have to admit, Cuk and Aluang are still better than PN.
DXP Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
PN, cooling down .. if Indon don’t rely on china brothers then who else you can depend on ?
- to the USA snake ? you don’t like their liberal democracy ideology
- to the Indian snake ? you don’t like their roti prata either
- to the Arab snake ? you can’t stand for their extreem ideology, beside they are ignoring you because your oil resources is just a rounding error to them
- to your dearly Malaysia snake ? you never trust them too , your nearest ‘one race’ neighbour because you are competing with them in many aspects
- so tell me who is your friend my dear Indonesia patriotic brother ? while you can’t stand on your own feets, I saw your country balance sheet is in trouble, poverty at the highest rate, unemployment at the peak level too ? … so sad situation … at least the big brother China still a better choice

If I were you, better live in Suriname while you can speak Javanese & drink much alcohol freely there
tomaculum Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
DXP,
Purba would rather rely on his own “snake”.
That is maybe his dearest friend besides his AKM and Makarov.
Purba Negoro Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
I think she is a frustrated Singapore housewife who longs for some satisfaction again and again and again and again, and again and again and again. Then a nap and repeat again.

She is a tease- perhaps a tante girang or auntie…?

DXP your oversimplistic reductionist argument is dreadful.
Mlaaysia and Indonesia have problem because of boudary and Malaysia just onw two islands considerd Indoensian.
Interpersonally- this relationship is friendly

Suakrno envisaged MaPhilIndo- an alliance of MAlay states- which emerged as ASEAN.

I do not know of Indian issue- roti porata is a MAlaysian word maybe you confuse the two:
your racist mind think all brownies look alike?
Arab- the problem is with wahabbi funding of pesantren in vacuum of stte funding. BUt you are to simple to work that one out.

A story- when I was in Shanghai this January- my friends were making jokes about how Indians eat with hands- so do not try and trick me- I know how Chinese people are.
Chinese are AS chauvinist as the rest of us so stop trying to make yourself look like saint. You are as much as sinner as others.

Speaking of Human Rights-
Chinese here have far more rights than even Singapore- they can say whatever, chew gum, grow hair, can make public protest, can live wherever and not serve the military. Can they in Singapore? No.

I think you read too much Glodok-Pluit-Slipi comic book.
You argue from a point of ignorance with no knowledge aside from a very tiny biased peephole.

Honestly- I tire of trying to turn a black wall white.

DXP- pls come to Jakarta- I invite you. See with your own eyes, speak with real people.
You will see the brown skin man is not as evil or hateful- and the Chinese far from the saints they paint themselves as.
DXP Says:
August 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Mlaaysia and Indonesia have problem because of boudary and Malaysia just onw two islands considerd Indoensian.
Interpersonally- this relationship is friendly

Suakrno envisaged MaPhilIndo- an alliance of MAlay states- which emerged as ASEAN.

PN surely never live in Msia. Do u know why they called u as ‘the INDON’ ? Malaysianese always look down on Indonesian, that is very true. Indon are typical attributes to desperate Indonesian migrant workers who desperately seeking a better quality of life in Malaysia because of poverty, jobless, gov’t don’t really care about them - because of the desperado - most of them live without proper Visa and becoming a burden for Malaysia demography. Last month there were massive hunt of those Indon fugitives, starting in Serawak & Miri razzia, aha Indon also famous of ‘escort teenage girls’ exporter, the datuk(s) import them from Sulawesi, Kalimantan & East Java, especially becoming their comfort ladies or better still as 2nd or 3rd misstress. In Msia, syairah Islam allow u to hv > 1 wives so long you can settle RM 1,200 in custom court without 1st wive approval to marry your misstress

This unique officially approved polygamy law are under my study now, it looks very robust, well planned & it is very very advance & sistematically well crafted only in the muslim dominated country like Malaysia. DXP concluded this is the only matter CHINA lack off and we must learn from you guys on how to lawfully endorsed to marry more than 1 wife ????