Jihad Sin

February 1st, 2007, in News, by Patung

Modern day jihadists are sinful, says a Central Sulawesi cleric.

Zainuddin Ali, the head of the Central Sulawesi branch of the Clerics’ Council, (Majelis Ulama Indonesia, MUI), said on the 31st in Palu during a meeting with police that the concept of jihad as found in the Koran was no longer entirely relevant today.

In the time of Muhammad there were many infidels who waged war against Islam. But today it’s difficult, there are many people who follow different religions but they are not enemies to each other.
(Pada zaman Rasulullah Muhammad SAW sudah jelas musuhnya, yaitu orang kafir yang memerangi agama Islam. Sedangkan, saat ini sangat susah, sebab banyak orang menganut agama berbeda, tapi tidak saling memusuhi)

Speaking in apparent reference to the confession of one Abdul Muis that he had murdered Reverend Irianto Kongkoli in October 2006 as a form of jihad, or struggle, for Islam, Zainuddin said:

Killing people without the right to do so is not allowed in Islam, only God has the power to take the life of a person.
(Membunuh orang tanpa hak tidak dibenarkan dalam ajaran Islam. Hanya Allah SWT yang kuasa mencabut nyawa manusia.)

Zainuddin, who teaches Islamic law at the Tadulako University in Palu, went on to say that many people today misunderstood the concept of jihad and took verses from the Koran out of context in order to justify their actions. Such people damaged the image of Islam and committed great sin, and their final place was in hell. [1]

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February 8th 2007.

A Muslim cleric from Poso, Ustad Abdurahman, told a hearing at the House of Representatives in Jakarta that the government should take the lead in clearing up the meaning of jihad, which he said has been misunderstood by most people, including religious leaders. [2]

They think that what they do is jihad, killing policemen is halal (allowed) and their stealing is fai (legitimate spoils of war).

Ustad Abdurahman asked the police to find out which religious schools were teaching such an ideology.

If they’re found, I ask that such schools to be shut down.

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40 Comments on “Jihad Sin”

  1. Rockstar Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 6:11 am

    A friend of mine thought jihad was the Indonesian for “forehead”. No, I’m not kidding.

  2. Ihaknt Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 6:26 am

    Good! I hope there are more people like this Zainuddin Ali dude to clear up the misinterpretation. Many things are taken out of context from the Qur’an. This dude should make dvds.

  3. Dimp Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 6:46 am

    I hope he will not be regarded as “kafir” himself by the extremists.

    I think more moderate clerics should be expressing their opinions regarding jihad, clearing any misunderstanding for both Moslems and non-Moslems. At the moment the perception of jihad seems to be act of stupidity raged by Moslems agains any non-Moslems.

    I am hoping that more people will understand the true meaning of jihad and can separate between the true jihad and criminal acts.

  4. Miss Indo 07 Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 1:46 pm

    People like Zainuddin Ali make me won’t stop hoping that someday all these nightmares about Islam vs Christian, jihad and all it’s bloody stuffs will be over.

    It’s just beyond weird how come there are creatures in this world who think that killing a person is a way to show his affection and obedience to god?

  5. Grace and Mercy Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    It’s just beyond weird how come there are creatures in this world who think that killing a person is a way to show his affection n obedience to god?????

    Maybe because they were taught that way. I am glad I was taught killing is wrong, PERIOD.

  6. Dimp Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    Hi Grace and Mercy,

    Maybe because they were taught that way. I am glad I was taught killing is wrong, PERIOD.

    There are other reasons why people are willing to kill others, I just hope that I will not have to experience that. Unfortunately there are people who have, and for them I feel very sorry.

  7. 1ndra Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 9:31 pm

    Those people who committing jihad sin might not read the Quran carefully.

  8. Julita Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    Zainuddin Ali, my compliments. It is not easy to be that brave, I hope he can continue his messages without harm, and there are many, many more like him. Though, I think, they are scared to give their opinion or say what they have in mind.

  9. 1ndra Says:
    February 1st, 2007 at 11:38 pm

    Yes, it’s not that easy in these very sharp conflicts.

  10. Dimp Says:
    February 2nd, 2007 at 4:35 am

    Hi 1ndra,

    Those people who committing jihad sin might not read the Quran carefully.

    They probably never read the Quran, they relied on what others have said to them, and these people who misinterpret the Quran to fit their agenda should be punished.

  11. Peter Says:
    February 3rd, 2007 at 1:37 am

    It would be nice if there was a Muslim/Christian peacekeeping coalition organized in Poso.

  12. Wolf Pangloss Says:
    February 3rd, 2007 at 9:42 am

    Thanks for making this information available. I too pray for Zainuddin Ali, that he attracts many followers, and that he can keep his head attached to his neck for the rest of his natural life, and may the rest of his life be a life remarkable for its duration, health, and the constancy of his character.

  13. Tomaculum Says:
    February 3rd, 2007 at 1:16 pm

    Let’s hope, that these are not his only words about it. And let’s hope, that those are not his last words.

  14. Ihaknt Says:
    February 3rd, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    Heheheh, let’s hope he wont be taking a second wife and so on.

  15. Julita Says:
    February 6th, 2007 at 12:47 am

    Peter: February 3rd, 2007 at 1:37 am

    It would be nice if there was a Muslim/Christian peacekeeping coalition organized in Poso.

    That is a great idea.
    Muslims as well Christians adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.
    Work together on their Believe, what their God ask them to do: charity, education, helping the sick, the oprhans, widows, the old even perhaps the young who need advice help. They don’t have to water down their religion, just be a good one in their religion, that is the aim.

    Indonesian: I know how the local people can live harmoniuosly together with their neighbours, regardless of religion. May it be in Poso, Ambon, Irian Jaya and many places in Java, if they can work together and stop the infidels from coming, ransacking and killing that is a big step.

  16. Dimp Says:
    February 6th, 2007 at 5:15 am

    Hi Julita,

    if they can work together and stop the infidels from coming, ransacking and killing that is a big step.

    What do you mean by infidels?

  17. Julita Says:
    February 6th, 2007 at 9:21 am

    To be correct I have to look up in the dictionary:

    An infidel is a person who has no religion, or a person whose religion is different.

    In this case, I meant, is different than the Believe of those who inhabit the places. The inhabitants, may they be Moslem as well as Christian who are living in harmony. We were talking about making a coalition? Hopefully that explains it, I am not sure.
    Well, I really hope the best for all. Those simple people they want to live in peace have enough to live on, nothing else.

  18. Dimp Says:
    February 6th, 2007 at 10:09 am

    Hi Julita,

    In that case, I hope they can work together to stop not only infidels but anyone who has bad intentions coming to their land.

  19. 1ndra Says:
    February 6th, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    Infidels are people who spread hatred and sure, killing, regardless of their religion.

  20. Julita Says:
    February 7th, 2007 at 12:43 am

    Dimp Says:

    February 6th, 2007 at 10:09 am

    Hi Julita,

    In that case, I hope they can work together to stop not only infidels but anyone who has bad intentions coming to their land.

    I fully agree, great ideas. How to get the idea across?

    1ndra Says:

    February 6th, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    Infidels are people who spread hatred and sure, killing, regardless of their religion.

    The problem is Indra usually religion are teaching good things and some people are misusing it and this is a ‘pain in the neck’ for the good ones. So perhaps that is why according to dictionary the other definition is: An infidel is a person who has no religion.
    Well, I have no problem accepting yours.

  21. Dimp Says:
    February 7th, 2007 at 4:57 am

    Hi Julita,

    I fully agree, great ideas. How to get the idea across?

    This is just common sense, they should have understand this from the beginning if they still have common sense, unfortunately some people have just lost their common sense and they need to wipe out their hatred, their prejudice and learn from square one.

  22. 1ndra Says:
    February 7th, 2007 at 8:41 am

    We should silence/capture the infidels first. It’s next to nonsense advising people to be peaceful and live in harmony while letting the infidels exist to provoke them. After that, we should make the pengajian/kotbah in both sides by qualified peaceful ustad and priests.

  23. Dimp Says:
    February 7th, 2007 at 9:16 am

    Hi 1ndra,

    When people are educated enough to tell what is right and wrong, then they will not be able to be divided by others who incite hatred amongst them.

    Unfortunately some of these people only receive their education from these “infidels” who provoke them, inciting hatred, thus they have lost their common sense (eg. Basri, who killed 3 innocent students in Poso just because they are different).

  24. Bin Camel Says:
    February 8th, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    To those bastard radical Moslems (piss be upon him) infidels also include Christian and Chinese, they are happy to kill, burn, loot and rape them like in May 1998 case, this is the FACT written by blood in Islam history in Indonesia.
    The only religion in the world who teach to kill infidels or blow themself is Islam, what a world I am living in.

  25. Andrew Says:
    February 9th, 2007 at 2:01 am

    Islam is about 600-700 years younger than Christianity. It is at a stage where Christianity was in the 1300-1400s. What happened in the 1300s? people (in the name of Christianity) killed others, including fellow Christians. That is exactly what is happening now - people killing others in the name of Islam.

    Were they real/true/good Christian? are they real/true/good Muslim? I don’t think so; noone who believes in God should kill others. But it happens — it is like a puberty period, where you’re trying to prove yourself and establish your identity. Except that this is done in a much worse way.

  26. Hassan Says:
    February 9th, 2007 at 8:55 pm

    Bin Camel:

    The FACT is, the May 1998 riot did happened. But your statement about the ‘bastard radical Moslems’ doing the killings, burnings, and lootings is an unproven accusation.

    Those people are thugs and criminals who were taking advantage of the ensuing chaos using Islam as a mask.

    You said, “The only religion in the world who teach to kill infidels or blow themself is Islam”.

    Muslims are allowed to kill hostile infidels, infidels who waged war against them. But I never found anything in the Quran or any Islamic teachings about ‘blowing ourselves’.
    Where did you find this teaching about ‘blowing themselves’, Camel?

    Ignorant people are people who just accept everything they hear as the truth, without studying or getting proper information about it first.

  27. Dimp Says:
    February 10th, 2007 at 4:28 am

    Hi Hassan,

    This is what I was referring too, you can see that there is a lot of people who perceived that the terrorists are fighting for Islams, eventhough as you said they clearly translate Islam in the wrong way.

    So all I can say is that these terrorists are actually fighting against Islams as well as they clearly brought bad name to Islam.

    We need to fight these criminals together.

  28. 1ndra Says:
    February 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    Terrorists = Dajjals.

  29. Hassan Says:
    February 11th, 2007 at 11:53 am

    I agree whole heartedly, Dimp.

  30. Julita Says:
    February 12th, 2007 at 5:03 am

    1ndra Says:

    February 7th, 2007 at 8:41 am
    We should silence/capture the infidels first.

    Who are the “WE’ here. Us who are living all over the world or the “Government”.

    It’s next to nonsense advising people to be peaceful and live in harmony while letting the infidels exist to provoke them.

    To create harmony, mutual understanding and care in a communicty is the key. So all joint together ‘Bersatu Teguh Bercerai Runtuh” Otherwise nobody is going up front they might be shot from the back. Yes, the Government police force, military should joint to support.

  31. bin camel Says:
    February 12th, 2007 at 11:06 am

    Hassan, talk is cheap, fact is worth than millions of your words, you can see how your Muslim fellows treat infidels comment, or even yourself.
    I see most of you are pro, I can see certain names posting regularly in some topics.
    There is only one thing about Islam which I am certain, and that is very little about which Islam teaching can be certain truthfully right in modern life and culture.
    I also sense most of you are intelligent Moslems and I think it’s a matter of time when your subconcious and concious minds question morality of Islam teaching.
    I knew my limit in Islam teaching and look stupid and wasting time when argue with you so see you in future topics, may God bless you.

  32. 1ndra Says:
    February 12th, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    Julita : We, mean all of us, all people who believe in peace and love.

    bin camel :

    To those bastard radical Moslems (piss be upon him) infidels also include Christian and Chinese, they are happy to kill, burn, loot and rape them like in May 1998 case, this is the FACT written by blood in Islam history in Indonesia.

    You’re blaming the others too, not just Islam.

    The only religion in the world who teach to kill infidels or blow themself is Islam, what a world I am living in.

    Yup, we’re not sitting duck target if being attacked by infidels, kill or be killed. But blowing ourself up is the same of killing yourself/bunuh diri/harakiri/suicide, quote me a verse in Quran about legality of it, please.

    Hassan, talk is cheap, fact is worth than millions of your words, you can see how your Muslim fellows treat infidels comment, or even yourself.

    Yes, talk is cheap and Quran worth anything, so please stop talking and read more.

    I knew my limit in Islam teaching and look stupid and wasting time when argue with you so see you in future topics, may God bless you.

    You knew your limit, so don’t talk nonsense outside your limit and making curses.

  33. Cukurungan Says:
    February 12th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Bin Camel,

    Who care

  34. Julita Says:
    February 13th, 2007 at 1:08 am

    Indra:

    Julita: We, mean all of us, all people who believe in peace and love.

    I definitely know what will happen, even if one believe in piece and love, which their Faith strongly teaches (don’t trample them though).
    It is no secret where those jihad people come from, which part of the society, and whose religious name they use. Please, please I beg, the GOOD ones should act and speak out within themselves. SUPPORT ZAINUDDIN ALI. He is teaching the good part from the Koran. No, don’t let others do that than it will become a fight. As about living in harmony I am 100% sure the other side are waiting with open arms.
    Good luck Indonesia!!!!!!!

  35. Cukurungan Says:
    February 13th, 2007 at 7:15 am

    All normal people always love peace and harmony but when your mother, brother, and sister were murdered without apparent reason, will you do nothing and kissing all those killers. Bin camel said “talk is cheap” and nothing wrong with Zainudin Jihad Teaching but when your beloved families got killed while 15 gentlemen who incited killling are still free, I should say nice dreams for the peace lover.

  36. Julita Says:
    February 13th, 2007 at 8:30 am

    The Christian teaching is also to forgive, and I am sure they will follow their teaching and especially when the killers repent, with promise not to repeat. Remember the Holy Father Pope John Paul II went to meet Ali Aga in his jail to frogive him, this is our example.
    Though somebody who carry hatred, as you said Cuk, will continue down from generation to generation. An entirely different education for their young ones.
    Back and forth killing each other, taking God’s work into their bloody hands.

  37. Julita Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 5:18 am

    Recently there was a talk in regard to Islam here in the university and we are in the process of electing a new cleric. He is Moslem, an expert, a professor, he was saying that many are reciting the Koran but they do not really know the exact meaning. Did you say that once also M. Khafi?

    If the person does not know the correct meaning the consequence is quite serious. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Islam both allows and forbids murder and violence, depending on who is the recipient of the act for example: (Koran 5:51) Koran 4:5). (Koran 2:191) (Koran 47:4) etc. etc.

    Though look at the following:
    “Fight for the sake of Allah those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. Allah does not love the aggressors.” (Koran 2:190)
    The Prophet Mohamad said to his army before going to a fight “Depart in the name of Allah, and by his help. And kill not any old man nor young boy nor child, nor woman, But be good doers for Allah loves those who do good”. (Hadeeth)

    Those jihad people and suicide bombers have to be educated, just this morning I heard three happenings in the Middle East. Sad indeed. That us why I applaud Zainuddin Ali.

  38. 1ndra Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 7:37 am

    Thats why so many ‘Muslim Dajjals’ lurking around waiting for their next victim.
    They won’t find any verse in Quran to support their killing, instead they’re making a new one based on fake hadith.

  39. Cukurungan Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 8:25 am

    Julita,

    My impression you’re good.
    Christian followers and has good empathy towards Moslem.
    However, if you compared Pope’s were only got shoot with someone has lost their family. I don’t think that’s apple to apple comparison.
    Pope’s was chosen among the best of the best whereas my brothers are only ordinary men and their blood will keep in boiling when justice is not delivered.

    I also agreed that the suicide bomber jihadist need to be educated but what is your recommendations to the master killers who continue killing Moslem around the world’s.

    Murder and killing are not only happened in the Moslem world’s but anywhere in the world’s. You can easily find news about killing in Ultah, gangs war in mexico and sao paolo And I think our Cities crimes and murder rates is still well below than in Brasilian, Columbian cities and even US Cities.

    I think the only best way to reduce all those kind violent we may start to control our own community that’s anyone incite the hatred among us are not get sheltered and protected.

  40. Julita Says:
    February 14th, 2007 at 9:23 am

    Cukurungan:

    My impression you’re good Christian followers and has good empathy towards Moslem.

    I am still on my long journey, no more, no less than any of you. Though if I have any good idea I like to share, and if there is bad mouthing because of being ignorant I would try to straighten it.

    Cuk:

    However, if you compared Pope’s were only got shoot with someone has lossed
    their family. I don’t think that’s aple to aple comparison.Pope’s was chosen among the best of the best whereas my brothers are only ordinary men and their blood will keep in boiling when the justice are not delivered.

    The Pope, he is a great leader up there and he level down with Ali, came down to the jail. I mean he is giving an example to his followers and his followers are just like us. We are free to follow or do otherwise. Good to have somebody to look up to. It is a different teaching.
    Yes, I have been reading somebody’s assumption about those who went to Poso for revenge because they lost their family. Is this true, all of them? Well, if we are not sure let us not make excuses for them.

    Cuk:

    I also agreed that the suicide bomber jihadist need to be educated but what is
    your recommendations to the master killers who continue killing Moslem around
    the world’s.

    I am not an expert but perhaps for all good Moslems all over the world to condemn and try do something about it, making a kind of council who look after all Moslem all over the world??? Oh, there are some good ones who spoke their opinion, like I said about this professor here, the cleric in Poso and honestly, I salute Turkey for their successful effort. To me this is a Moslem country I look up to, they are in control..

    Cuk:

    Murder and killing are not only happened in the Moslem world’s but anywhere in
    the world’s. You can easily find news about killing in Ultah, gangs war in
    mexico and sao paolo And I think our Cities crimes and murder rates is still
    well below than in Brasilian, Columbian cities and even US Cities.

    That is very, very true. In the US they can handle this, their law are working. Brazil, Columbia and Mexico, I kind a know how they are not good. No Jihads but killing here and there yes. Though we are discussing about Indonesia and the little pockets of trouble arising here and there. Not very serious but we do have compassion for the weak.

    Cuk:

    I think the only best way to reduce all those kind violent we may start to
    control our own community that’s anyone incite the hatred among us are not get
    sheltered and protected.

    That’s great Cuk, that why I applaud and support cleric Zainuddin Ali.

    Nice talking to you. Let’s hope for the best.

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