Mavi Marmara Incident
Jun 2nd, 2010, in News, by Patung
Israel causes traffic jams in Bogor; one Indonesian volunteer hurt in the Mavi Marmara incident.
In response to the Israeli boarding of Comoros flagged ship “Mavi Marmara” – part of the “Freedom Flotilla” ferrying relief supplies to Palestinians – in international waters off the coast of Israel on May 31st hundreds of journalists and university students staged a pro-Palestinian demonstration in Bogor, West Java on 1st June.
Anti Zionists
In a news report, “Roads Jammed in Bogor Because of Israel“, it is said that traffic on Jalan Sholeh Iskandar was backed up five kilometres, due to the protests, or Israel.
Meanwhile of the 12 Indonesians on board the “Mavi Marmara” one among them was hurt in the incident, and is currently being treated at the London Hospital in Haifa, Israel, and will likely be deported once recovered.
Possibly one of these fellows.
The Indonesian volunteers travelling on the boat came from various organisations including Friends of Al-Aqsa, the Medical Emergency Rescue Committee (MER-C), and the Indonesian Committee for Solidarity With Palestine (KISPA).
85 Comments on “Mavi Marmara Incident”
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@Dirk,
Yes, semitic god must be a joker / clown.
… And she is unfair too. Just look again at the matrix, how can the christians get 2 benefits (pork and alcohol), while jews and muslims can get only one (alcohol for jews, multiv*ginas for muslims). Oh, I understand, must be jesus (he managed to convince her mother to give his followers more benefit). -
cops are only brave when they can torture, rape, murder and extort in the safety of their police stations
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venna says:
What’s going on here? Why when god becomes annoying some of you refer him as “she”? Ckckckck……..
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Odinius says:
I’d like to remind you guys of my plan to send all the world’s thugs and idiots–whether Israeli, Palestinian, Indonesian, Burmese, Korean, Iranian, Saudi, American, Australian, British, French, Congolese, Sudanese, Pakistani, Serbian, Albanian, Russian, Brazilian, Mexican, etc.–to a single, tropical island, where they can fight and be a**holes with each other to their heart’s content. Let’s call it “Idiot Island.”
I’m thinking Bikini Atol for the location!
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ET says:
venna
What’s going on here? Why when god becomes annoying some of you refer him as “she”? Ckckckck……..
Don’t be upset. It’s just an unconscious reminder that in reality ‘she’ is the ‘boss’. And bosses – a necessary evil – often become annoying if one doesn’t follow their rules.
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think bikini is big enough? it would be more crowded than a balinese jailcel…
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Well, we can always expand the program to include some of the old French testing sites, like Mururoa.
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Oigal says:
What about Oigal?
Bit nasty D..and I have not even started on the gay mexican islamic vegitarian gay jokes yet..
Venna..The “she” is not annoy the womenfolk but rather the myopic believers who naturally assume a male persona for their myth of choice.
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I mean according to some “learned” man in Aceh, the death of 12 children was a “test of God” which in my book makes her a fair bitch and certainly not something to be worshiped.
Of course, that makes the assumption that she gives a toss about the pathetic rantings of us walking apes.
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realest says:
Dirk (PM) Says: who tells christians to enjoy pork and alcohol but prohibits more than one wife ?
diego (PM) Says: how can the christians get 2 benefits (pork and alcohol), while jews and muslims can get only one (alcohol for jews, multiv*ginas for muslims). Oh, I understand, must be jesus (he managed to convince her mother to give his followers more benefit)..
The Bible states that pork is explicitly not allowed and wine(alcohol) is to be taken in moderation.
which makes both of you imbeciles.It’s kinda funny how idiocy reveals itself eventually.
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Dirk says:
realest, the bible also states in Genesis 19:8 that Lot offered his two daughters to be gang-raped by the men of Sodom
In verses 30 to 38, the second story describes how Lot’s two daughters got their father drunk on wine, engaged in sexual intercourse with him on two successive nights, became pregnant, and eventually gave birth to two sons Moab and Benammi.
In Judges 11, Jephthah is victorious in battle against the children of Ammon and vows to sacrifice to God whatsoever comes to greet him at the door when he returns home.
When he returns from battle, his virgin daughter runs out to greet him. That he actually does sacrifice her is shown in verse 11:39 “And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed”
The bible also prohibits working on Sundays. Do I look over the fence on Sundays when my neighbour is mowing his lawn en do I think, hey, I should kill this man ? (the bible prescribes stoning to death for people working on Sundays) No, I don’t, because I don’t believe in the bible.
What moral lessons can we possibly derive from such an evil book ?
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Dirk (PM) Says:
What moral lessons can we possibly derive from such an evil book ?The moral of this thread is: Some people would deflect to avoid being labeled stupid.
And i’ve an explanation for all of them, misleading don’t actually work with me 🙂 Try-Try again
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Nay says:
The Bible states that pork is explicitly not allowed
There is considerable debate as to whether Jesus repealed these dietary laws (the whole “What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.” incident from Matthew 15:11), but in fact he did not. In the correct context, Jesus only mentioned that what man eats does not make him spiritually unclean. Physically uncleanliness is another matter entirely which Jesus wasn’t referring to. In fact he went as far to send evil spirits into pigs at one point.
The logic seems to point out that Christians shouldn’t be eating pork along with the Jews and the Muslims.
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realest, so people who don’t believe in the bible are stupid ? Muslims who believe in the Al Qur’an are stupid ? Hindus are stupid ?
I think they are. Anybody who believes in a talking snake (christians) or a flying horse called Buraq (muslims) or in lots of gods (Hindus) is stupid.
There is not one single piece of archaeological, forensic or documentary evidence that shows Jesus was ever alive.
No letters exist that mention Jesus the preacher or miracle worker.
No Christian letters or diaries, no Jewish ones, no Greek ones, no Roman ones. Nobody wrote about a single aspect of his life while he was living it.
Just think for a moment about what the man was supposed to have done.
He was supposed to have had meetings with thousands of people.
He was supposed to have cured people, even raised a man from the dead.
He was supposed to have entered the city of Jerusalem at the head of a triumphal procession and yet nobody wrote anything about it at the time.
Not a book, not a diary, not a graffito, not even a sale or return catering order for loaves and fishes. Isn’t that just a little hard to believe?
There is not a single physical description of Jesus, not one. Isn’t that a little odd? Had the man got no distinguishing features at all?
There never was a Jesus, he was a mythical figure around which fashionable mythic ideas could be draped.
It’s inconceivable that no one at the time bothered to write down anything about the most important person in the whole of human history.
Writing was common back then. People wrote letters. Historians wrote commentaries on current events.
The Romans wrote and kept legal documents about trials. It’s considered one of the best documented periods of history.
Yet no one wrote anything about this Jesus; no one painted a portrait of this Jesus; no one drew a sketch of this Jesus; no one cast a coin depicting this Jesus; no one made a statue of this Jesus; no one makes any reference whatsoever to this Jesus.
The historical evidence is overwhelming—the Jesus of the Bible never existed.
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Dirk, that’s not the point at all. You and diego claimed that eating pork was allowed for christians, which is not according to the Bible and certainly not God-approved.
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I’ve time so i’ll discuss points that you screwed up just to show the world what kind of an idiot you’re.
There is not one single piece of archaeological, forensic or documentary evidence that shows Jesus was ever alive.
The Bible is a documentary evidence as the Quran is and plenty of archaeological sites. History from Caesar to King Tut relies a lot on single records and personal diaries.You obviously don’t read a lot. Its 2000 years ago, having no forensic evidence shows nothing.
No letters exist that mention Jesus the preacher or miracle worker.
No Christian letters or diaries, no Jewish ones, no Greek ones, no Roman ones. Nobody wrote about a single aspect of his life while he was living it.
Not a book, not a diary, not a graffito, not even a sale or return catering order for loaves and fishes. Isn’t that just a little hard to believe?1. Many books of the Bible are letters !! Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians are all personal letters.
2. Jesus is known as Isa Al-Masi, son of Maryam in the Quran recounting the same virgin birth story with slightly different details.
Holy Crap, how can u be this stupid???There is not a single physical description of Jesus, not one. Isn’t that a little odd? Had the man got no distinguishing features at all?
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The Bible is a piece of historical evidence, the same way Herodotus’ histories are. But neither is a record of verified historical facts. Rather, like Herodotus, the historical portions of the Bible, are combinations of historical record, as transmitted by ancient historians untrained in modern standards of evidence, etc., and myth. Some things have been verified by archaeology and extra-biblical texts, and other things have not.
If you take it as a literal collection of facts, then you do so on faith. This, as I recall, is the essence of religion.
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Oh,
I didn’t know jesus was ugly. All I know he was a shorty guy (learned it from family guy).
So, those evangelical christians who sell posters of jesus are — gasp — not following the bible!!! (by not portraying jesus as an ugly-looking person).
Hey, btw, why not modify a picture of aburizal bakrie and make it the official picture of jesus? At least it would comply with Isaiah 53:2-3.
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Odinius (PM) Says:
The Bible is a piece of historical evidence, the same way Herodotus’ histories are. But neither is a record of verified historical facts. ……..
If you take it as a literal collection of facts, then you do so on faith. This, as I recall, is the essence of religion.Then, by your standards, most history books on ancient kings and dynasties that comes from a single source(hieroglyphs or single documents) should be moved to the fiction section. By your standards, the anthropology world should be revised because assumptions of ancient life originated from scratches of bored cavemen. Your standards will change the world; too bad you’re not in charge.
diego (PM) Says: So, those evangelical christians who sell posters of jesus are — gasp — not following the bible!!! (by not portraying jesus as an ugly-looking person).
Strictly speaking … yes, they’re not !!
Btw to answer Dirk’s question, a man known as Christ did walk this earth.
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realest said:
Then, by your standards, most history books on ancient kings and dynasties that comes from a single source(hieroglyphs or single documents) should be moved to the fiction section. By your standards, the anthropology world should be revised because assumptions of ancient life originated from scratches of bored cavemen. Your standards will change the world; too bad you’re not in charge.
Perhaps the most inane comment ever made on IM.
Congratulations, troll.
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@Odinius: takes one to know one. I’m a realest btw, i say things as it is.
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Hans says:
The Swedish news today
In recent weeks, pro-Palestinian activists, so-called
“Peace activists”, in a meticulous manner prepared a grand operation against
State of Israel and its people, namely In Gaza. The action resulted in over one
Once that huge infected and sensitive relations between the state
Israel and the Palestinians reached a new low. As a result, inter alia,
that sabotaged any possibility of peace talks between Israelis and
Palestinians for a long time.
The so-called peace activists are utilized in reality the situation by
to promote the interests of Hamas. Thus heightening the risk for suicide bombers
again to attack Jewish towns and villages with the civilian population
audience.
Israel activists offered alternative solutions to transport cargo
by supplies from the ship including Mavi Marmara. All these
options were rejected in order to increase the chance of open confrontation with
Israel.It is evident that propaganda operation was successful. Once again, the product
Israeli government has absolute power in a brutal manner prevents
“Humanitarian aid” to reach Gaza. In fact the operation was planned,
organized and implemented, along with Hamas and other organizations
count as terrorist organizations.
Examples of the “humanitarian aid” is the many different kinds of weapons that were
board when the Israeli marines boarded Mavi Marmara. What should
Peace activists with knives, iron batons, baseball bats, slingshots, pistols
and hand grenades to, if you want to conduct a peaceful campaign and to convey
humanitarian aid?
The good timing and coordination, with protest marches and demonstrations
across Europe is further evidence that events in themselves
work was planned and expected. It would give impetus to world opinion
and produce the state of Israel as cruel.
Hamas does in fact everything to sabotage the peace process. Days before
In Gaza, the confrontation was a Hamas leader in a speech a major
demonstration in central Gaza. There he condemned in advance Israeli brutality
and inability to cope. “How it may be handled, it will
benefit us here in Gaza, “Abbas said. “Regardless of management so we can enjoy
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Realest, what constitutes the bible and what doesn’t has been decided by human beings (and by that I mean human beings who have a penis, since women had no say in it)
Men decided which letters and stories were to be put in the bible. There are other parts of the bible, like the Red Sea scrolls that were not put in the bible.
The Romans would have mentioned Jesus, but they didn’t because he never existed. And the census never happened, otherwise the Romans would have written about it
According to the gospel of Luke, Jesus was born at the time when Caesar Augustus required everyone to take part in a census. This at the time when Quirinius was governor of Syria and Herod was king of Judea.
However, the facts are: – First, no historian of the Roman Empire makes any mention of a universal census in the reign of Augustus. Second, King Herod died four years before the Common Era began and third, Quirinius was not the governor of Syria during the reign of Herod.
We also know that in the 2nd century, Christianity was in conflict with other religions and needed an official body of sacred texts. The books of the New Testament were canonised in 180 AD, and even today are still regarded by many believers as divinely inspired records written by the apostles.
Yet neither they nor eyewitnesses in fact wrote any of them. They were all written between 65 AD and 95 AD.
On the same level, I could argue that the Greek gods Zeus, Apollo, etc and even Hercules really existed, because there is overwhelming evidence in the ancient Greek texts !
Anyway, believe what you want, because it is all a question of faith. If you consider the bible a historical document, fine, but don’t expect other people to share your opinion.
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Dirk, what i want to believe is my problem. What you want to mock is your prerogative too, provided you straightened your facts. And i’m very sorry to tell you that once again you’re wrong about Christianity.
Dirk (PM) Says: The Romans would have mentioned Jesus, but they didn’t because he never existed.
Publius (or Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus (AD 56 – AD 117) was a senator and a historian of the Roman Empire.
Tacitus included in his Annals a mention of Christianity and “Christus”:
‘Nero fastened the guilt of starting the blaze and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians [Chrestians] by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius 14–37 at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus‘
Seriously, I don’t know if you’re stupid or plain ignorant. Every post you have made in this discussion has been filled with so many mistakes. -
Ross says:
Wierd stuff here. I am used to expressions of support for or opposition to Christianity, but to deny Jesus even existed…wah!
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Dirk (PM) Says: However, the facts are: – First, no historian of the Roman Empire makes any mention of a universal census in the reign of Augustus. Second, King Herod died four years before the Common Era began and third, Quirinius was not the governor of Syria during the reign of Herod.
Yet neither they nor eyewitnesses in fact wrote any of them. They were all written between 65 AD and 95 AD.1/3. Not according to Josephus.
2. There was no mention in the Bible that Jesus was born on 25th December 1 A.D.
4. This how your logic works: If any historical account is written after 40 A.D., it’s to be omitted because every adult eyewitnesses died along with Christ.Here’s what i think: it’s pretty easy to type a bunch of bullshit under 2 minutes. Given the amount of mistakes you’ve made in this discussion alone, talking to you as an adult won’t actually help either of us.
@Ross: this one has been dropped as a baby.
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realest, I have read Tacitus in Latin when I was 17 years old. It was part of the curriculum (meaning a set of courses and their content offered at a school) during my secundary education, in Indonesia called SMP and SMA.
When I was 12 years old, I was taught Latin (6 hours per week) and when I was 13 years old I also had to learn Ancient Greek (5 hours per week)
By the time I was 17, I could read Latin and Ancient Greek texts like a newspaper.
The single paragraph that refers to Jesus in Josephus’ book was a hundred years later inserted in Josephus’ book by someone else. It is a fraud. If one knows classical Latin it is easy to see, because that paragraph about Jesus was written in medieval bad Latin, by that time people had forgotten to write correct Latin.
But belief in a celestial Christ does not equate to belief in a flesh-and-blood ‘Jesus of Nazareth’ – and when the ‘heretical’ and ‘gnostic’ views of early Christians are examined ‘Jesus of Nazareth’ is noticeably absent. And to press the point, even a belief in a ‘Jesus of Nazareth’ does not make him a reality – it is only the belief that is a reality.
I don’t mock you, I don’t care what you believe. I might as well believe in the God who is called Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse or Peter Pan, and then I would become very angry if you would say that I am an idiot.
My Mickey Mouse religion is as valid as yours, because you can not prove that Mickey Mouse doesn’t exist. The God Mickey Mouse exists, because there is ample proof : just look at all the books and movies.
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You’re right, Oigal.
It’s a sad comment on Indonesia’s Finest, the bold gendarmes, whatever you want to call them. Are the police cowards, or bought, or under orders to go easy on the Islamist pigs?
Used to be when I was a fan of cowboy movies, the bad guys wore black, the good guys white. Here it’s the ‘decent’ crims who favour black, the evil ones who sport white.
There’s a strong case for public flogging for these FPI hoodlums.