RUU Pornografi
Nov 30th, 2006, in News, by Patung[Updated] The long, tortuous journey of the RUU Anti Pornoaksi Pornografi is approaching its end.
The name of the bill has been changed, dropping the “anti” part (RUU AP or RUU PP), and a revised copy of the draft has been finalised and handed over to a vice-chairman of the parliament, Zaenal Maarif.
Balkan Kaplale.
Although the changes that have been agreed upon by the deliberating committee are not known in detail it is known that the number of articles has been drastically cut down. Where previously there had been 19 sections containing 93 articles the new bill has only 5 sections and 30 articles.
The head of the special committee, Balkan Kaplale, assures that the new version of the bill has taken into account the objections to the original draft, objections which revolved around what were seen as attempts to over-regulate dress and behavioural matters, which some people saw as an attempt at Arabisation of Indonesian norms, or Islamisation. Said Balkan Kaplale on the 28th: detik
There’s no “anti” in the name. So it’s just the indecency and pornography bill. All the submissions to the committee have been accomodated, including on the question of punishments.
(Nama RUU ini tidak ada ‘anti’-nya. Jadi langsung RUU Pornografi dan Pornoaksi. Semua sudah mengakomodir masukan yang ada, termasuk sanksi-sanksinya.)
Additionally, the ten parties represented on the special committee, from the Islamist PKS to the secular PDIP, have all agreed on the new form of the bill. metrotv
The belly button issue seems to have been settled.
It is hoped that the bill will come before parliament in the next session, between January and April 2007. Said Zaenal Maarif detik, in likely reference to the objections previously raised by non-Muslim areas of the country, such as in Bali:
We hope it will be finished by the next parliamentary session, because it already reflects the diversity of the nation.
(Kami harap pada masa sidang berikutnya ini sudah selesai, karena isinya sudah mengandung kebhinnekaan bangsa ini.)
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January 18th 2007
The latest reports say that the bill is unchanged from the original version, only that the number of articles has been condensed, but that the content of them is the same. The words “anti” and “pornoaksi” have been dropped. It is expected to be passed into law by February.
There are 9 sections and 30 articles, 16 articles concerning protection of children, 8 articles for penalties, and 6 articles on “pornoaksi”, or indecent behaviour, including sub-sections on allowed forms of dress.
Balkan Kaplale says the wishes of the people have been accomodated in the formulation of the bill. He said that two definitions of pornography were used in the bill, “soft” and “hard”. Soft pornography was, for example, the display in pictures or video of womens’ bottoms, breasts, or hips in public. “Hard” pornography was, for example, the sex video of Yahya Zaini and Maria Eva.
He said punishments for distributing porn would be up to 15 years jail or a fine of 2 billion rupiah.
Some commentators, including Universitas Indonesia lecturer Gadis Arivia, womens’ rights activist from Komnas Perempuan, Neng Dara Affifah, as well as Ratna Sarumpaet from the Unity in Diversity alliance, Aliansi Bhineka Tunggal Ika (ABTI), complained that the bill was over the top.
Gadis Arivia said the matter of protecting children from porn was already dealt with in the criminal code.
There are at least 20 articles on pornography in the criminal code.
(Malah di KUHP sudah ada setidaknya 20 pasal tentang pornografi.)
She said children’s access to porn should be restricted but the solution wasn’t to make laws on how they were allowed to dress.
Neng Dara Affifah was dismissive of the law, saying that the Broadcasting Act and the Child Protection Act already were sufficient. mediaindo
Ratna Sarumpaet urged that the bill be scrapped. She said that the formulators of the bill had failed to appear in court several times after the ABTI had filed a lawsuit against them. mediaindo
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February 28th 2007
Article in Washington Post – “Indonesia dilutes anti-pornography bill”. House of Representatives speaker Agung Laksono says: washingtonpost
A law must not create divisions within the nation and must be accepted by all citizens.
In places like Bali and Papua, bare-breasted women are a daily sight. If such things are banned it will be against local customs.
103 Comments on “RUU Pornografi”
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Bagler says:
If we talk about Indonesian law, I think the Indonesian politician make law likes this its not to protect our childrens from porno, buuuut i think the Indonesian politicians trying to make more money from small people if they break the Indonesia role.
Likes Balinese they wear kebaya when have ceremony, but please don’t say that are a pornografi. because that are our culture since long long time ago. Balinese is better to wearing kebaya to temple as long as they not wearing bikini to the temple. I haaaateeee Indonesian law. -
Mr Wise says:
Pornography is just a traffic. It is you who decide to have accident on the road or not. If you want to punish you must get the troublemaker. We can close the road because of bad traffic. so if there is some rape. You must take the rapist to the police not the pornography maker. Or a girl who where tank-top and G-string thong.
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karma says:
Does the government have anything else to do? I mean come on, corruption and all those sh*t are still roaming this poor nation. Why the hell give a damn about people belly buttons? Stoooooooppppppiiiiddddd!!!
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Gentho & co. says:
It’s better that those who disagree with this ruu go away to bali and settle down there at the so-called ‘island of paradise’ (but which has actually been cursed) so that sooner they shall get infected and become new patients of hiv/aids.
If bali, papua, or other regions that reject the ruu should demand freedom and independence from indonesia, why not? go for it. Hurry up. Let them go. Good riddance. Indonesia will be far more better and safe without bali, the-hiv-cursed-island. What has bali contribute to indonesia? Not gold, oil, silver, or nickel. but sex commodity and surely hiv/aids.
It seems bali has determined and chosen its own destiny through free sex and pornography.
So let’s not make nkri, uud, pancasila and the like, a big issue. They’re all just like opium to us..
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kiwibali says:
@ Gentho and Co
Whao, wondering if the majority think like you, if they do, we are prepared to continue the flame of our forefather!.
Could you please give me factual data to back your claim that Balinese have a higher HIV infected people in the country? Genuinely want to know mate. And please if you have any, factual data on the proportion of the ‘sex worker’ in Bali that are from Bali.
It seems bali has determined and chosen its own destiny through free sex and pornography.
Hahahahah, and guess what I have no doubt our biggest customer will be from Java :D. No demand no supply mate.
You can disrespect Bali all you want mate, but we are strong we are still loyal to the dream of Soekarno, our son. Don’t you think we thought about it every now and again? We’ve heard the same rant for a long time, we even stay strong when our religion is attacked (I still remember when one dude said something about Megawati can be a president because he think that she’s a Hindu). But we hanged on, because we are Indonesian!
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Jen says:
Oh ok. So because (some) men are so incapable of controlling theirselves when they see cleavage, or legs, or belly button, then they force us women to cover our body so they won’t see? Hello… why do you think to make a women wear something unrevealing will make someone’s morality get any better? I think, when someone is a pervert, they’ll stay a pervert whether they see cleavage (and other parts of the body that they find sexually attractive) or not.
I remember what I’d been thru being a girl living in this so called ‘religious’ country. Men rubbing their member on my shoulder while I was sitting on the bus on the way home from school, wearing school uniform which weren’t “sexy” at all. Got ojek guys put a mirror on a stick -like you’d see in the dentist, only in a giant form- to see females’ panties when they walk close to them on the pedestrian. Had a man showed off his manhood when we were playing outside our house -we were all girls only 10-12 years old I think, and that man was living close to the neighbourhood. Had a teacher rubbed my neck and hands in a ways that I wasn’t very comfortable with, but at that time I wasn’t sure if it wasn’t something unproper for a male teacher to do to a female student. I could go on forever but I’m too lazy to remember those kind of memories.
Why can’t we make some law that protect a anyone from doing such things to someone? Why are you (guys) so ofended of female sexuality? Afraid of it? And people still think about Indonesian culture and western culture. So Indonesian culture will allow men to think that low of a woman???? If I wear something that show off a bit of my skin, so what? Then it means you can say that I don’t have a good moral? Or that I want someone to rape me by dressing up like that? Men, you can think whatever you like, and you can look – preferably in a polite way – but as long as you don’t touch, I’m fine. But when you touch and you say it’s the way I dress (or something else) got you thinking (of me) sexually and the law protect you (instead of me), then there’s something wrong with this country.
I’m so proud of this countryl, but I gotta say that the people can be so stupid sometimes!
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peace says:
Hi Jen, I am with you sis!
Why can’t we make some law that protect a anyone from doing such things to someone? Why are you (guys) so offended of female sexuality? Afraid of it?
Not all guys Jen, only groups of people who don’t respect culture diversity, all culture cannot be put together in laws, regulations nor rules, even the first chapter about the definition of pornography is very multi-interpretation, it is about taste how come a taste be defined
I’m so proud of this country l, but I gotta say that the people can be so stupid sometimes!
Not sometimes, but most of the time, especially those with hypocrite and dirty mind bastard.
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Valisa says:
Hello there people. Sorry I’m late for this discussion. I’ve just read the whole conversation and I can’t help myself not to leave a comment.
First of all, I suggest you to open up your history books. Let’s learn from the past, shall we? Do you remember how every single man from every single tribe in Indonesia struggles to fight against colonialism? They’ve fought with all of their guts. They’ve sacrifised themselves for the unity of this country. And look what you’re doing now! trying to disintegrate our country by setting off so-called-hypocrite-law. Shame on you!
Open up your PPKN book. Have you forgotten valuable values such as TENGGANG RASA? Where’d you put those values? Haven’t your teacher ever taught you that we are a country which gifted with culture diversity? Well, att least do you still remember what “Bhineka Tunggal Ika” means?
If you’re trying to put one common law upon other cultures, then you’re not less than a selfish, hypocrite, uneducated, close-minded person.
Speaking about Bali, haven’t you realized that Bali has donated a lot of income for Indonesia? Why don’t you try to calculate the amount of money from each tourist who visits Bali instead of insulting it as an island of HIV. Perhaps all of the money in your wallet now come from tourists who have visited that full-of-HIV/AIDS-island. Well, we all know the circulation of money, don’t we?
Cheers! (:
PS : I’m a 17 yrs old and I can’t believe how grown-up(s) can be very very veryyy idiot sometimes. Debating on stupid stuff like this while there are actually more important things to take care such as corruption, etc. It is funny how things are going on. lol
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sara says:
Actually, I googled the internet to read the draft of RUU pornopraphy. I found this website and can’t stop reading the comments. You all should be in parlement and goverment guys. Your way of thinking is better than people whom are sitting at those positions.
I am a woman who never wear those belly button showing clothes but I do care at indonesian culture and people in Irian jungles. I mean if we shall argue about this arabic ways of clothing things…. please… let the women chose their own wardrobes and lets educated our young people morals. Dont get me wrong I feel sad to hear our youngster talking about sex like they are an expert in chat rooms and to know a lot of news about immorality.My experience attending high school in indonesia is the fact that they put aside sex education. They lecture us how the sperms and the eggs meet but they forget to tell us the responsibility of free sex and family. Those talks seem it is a taboo. It is natural and normal. However our young people searching info from some other sources. Give them law I dont think will be able to stop them cos they will find some other ways. Curiousity is our basic insting the best way is to provide them with the answers of that curiousity. Of course proper answers I belive will open their mind that sexuality is okay at the right time in the right bond of marriage not tied them up with rules. Give them knowledges so when they are put in a position to chose they will make a right choice.
We need to fix our educations. I think the problem now is the exploding people curiousity because of lack of proper knowledges. For people who adore middle east culture and way of clothing, I have a friend from arab and his favorite is to watching belly dancers dances and it is part of their cultures.
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Valisa said that:
“I can’t believe how grown-up(s) can be very very veryyy idiot sometimes. Debating on stupid stuff like this while there are actually more important things to take care such as corruption, etc. It is funny how things are going on”.
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This is the typical cliche used when debating the porn bill: referring another important issue such as corruption, etc. as if you think that the only important issue in this republic is corruption.
What a shallow mind you have. Of course corruption is very important issue but what a naive government would be if corruption is considered to be the only problem to be handled as if there are no other crucial duties that the parliament or cabinet should take care. Look around you airhead-barbie, there are many important issues and problems in this country. And pornography is one of them. Maybe you should learn about a government system (if you’d like to use your brain – if you have one).
a government consists of cabinet members and departments, parliament members/commissions who each has their own duty, issues, problems, to handle.So, doing an important duty doesn’t mean another important duties are neglected. I think that’s all, for you information. ’cause if it too long and wordy I’m afraid it would beat your weak mind.
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DXP says:
DXP monitored the latest approval of the Indonesian controversial Porn Bill.
DXP have told thousand times to all the Indonesian minority who do not belong to Muslim halal group, in short story, this country is useless and progressionless.I think minority in Indonesia shall get your ash out from this country, your majority brothers is doing self destruction to your nation’s rich diverse culture, values & tradition. If I were you, despite of witnessing your veryown value & it’s traditional self destruction in progress, I would rather peacefully leave this stupidity period
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andrey says:
Actually it is perfectly OK if Bali and Papua do not want to implement the law. Let them create a pornoraphy haven there, anyone who does not agree with the law can go there and settle. Than we will see in 10 years what will happen.
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schmerly says:
@ andrey..
Actually it is perfectly OK if Bali and Papua do not want to implement the law. Let them create a pornoraphy haven there
They’re not trying to create a pornography haven, they just want to have freedom of choice without maniacs like the FPI, and other so called defenders of Islam taking the law into their own hands, and interpreting these stupid pornography laws to suite their own agenda, as they do in Jakarta.
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ET says:
andrey said
Actually it is perfectly OK if Bali and Papua do not want to implement the law. Let them create a pornoraphy haven there, anyone who does not agree with the law can go there and settle. Than we will see in 10 years what will happen.
In 10 years Bali and Papua would probably be prosperous, respected and free countries, released from the burden of islamic bigots who are responsible for turning Indonesia into a backwater.
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@ dida
True, corruption is not the only crucial problem.
But can’t you see the big picture? it is not about banning everything that you think contains porn. porn comes from your own mind. don’t you think it’s so unfair to force everybody else to adjust themselves with your dirty mind? people’s mind are the one who sould be fixed.
After all, banning stuffs like that won’t make people stop surf porn. Don’t be hypocrite, I know guys always find a way to watch porn even though they weren’t allowed to. Therefore it is our mind that should be educated.
Btw chill out man. I don’t need to hear rubbish from your dirty mouth. :)) If my grandma were here, she would say “MULUTNYA GAK PERNAH DISEKOLAHIN YAAA?” LOL 😀
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Miss Daisy says:
@andrey
Than we will see in 10 years what will happen.
🙂 what will happen, andrey? care to elaborate? a much more prosperous region, or maybe more educated and less backwards? If yea, then hey ho, Im in agreement with you
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I think you know as well as I do that being educated has nothing to do with watching pornography or showing bellybuttons. A woman who use skimpy clothes, shows belly button or her cleavages in public is much less likely to be a PhD. as a matter of fact, I\’ve seen many female Phd\’s, and they mostly use jilbabs.
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Cukurungan says:
In 10 years Bali and Papua would probably be prosperous, respected and free countries, released from the burden of islamic bigots who are responsible for turning Indonesia into a backwater.
Oh ya…I can not disagree with you as we can see today Papua New Guinea and Port Moresby, the same land and the same people like Papua but no Islamic bigots roaming on their street and their government is strictly under supervision of the Ausii Big Brother for more than 10 years, therefore, it is no wonder if today Papua New Guinea and Ports Moresby has been becoming the most prosperous, respected and saved region on the Pacific please enjoy below:
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A woman who use skimpy clothes, shows belly button or her cleavages in public is much less likely to be a PhD. as a matter of fact, I\’ve seen many female Phd\’s, and they mostly use jilbabs.
ahh, I disagree and frankly I’d skew away from stereotyping people by the way they dress. There is no relevance between how a person dress with their level of education, which curiously enough was exactly your opinion. The word “Educated” in my prior comment to you is to describe capacity to exercise choice, and ability to make that “educated” choice. Not refering to what academic degree u have. Experience has shown that academic degree doesnt necessarily grant you intelligence.
And if I take your opinion further “that being educated has nothing to do with watching pornography or showing bellybuttons”, then itd make the pornography law slightly moot, dont u think?
So who’s side are you on? 🙂
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Mohammed Khafi says:
@Cuk
How long have you been a believer in the statistics of “The Great Satan” Cuk?
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a.amni says:
@M. Khafi
How long have you shielded your mind from accepting what’s fact and what’s fiction?
Shield your faith with the might to reason, and you shall see the truth!
Can’t we argue on the basis of common sense and intellectual capacity? Spitting dogmas is not going to take us anywhere.
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Yes you can cover a woman up, but what about the weirdos that have a shoe fetish??
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@ a.amni
I would try and argue with you on the basis of common sense and intellectual capacity, if I could only understand the point you are trying to make? Perhaps you should make yourself familiar with some of my other comments on IM before judging the point I am trying to make?
This was an attempt at a satirical, rhetorical question to Cukurungan, who normally despises and derides anything from America and especially it’s government, but then chooses to quote from an American goverment website to make his point.
No Dogma spitting at all!
Although Cukurungan’s comments do give me a bad taste in the mouth sometimes! 😉
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@m khafi:
actually, this is not unlike using the bible to counter the christians.
We know that the bible is corrupted. BUT, for the shake of the argument, even if we give it the benefit of the doubt, it will only show further errors of christianity.@miss daisy:
I was just responding to your indirect claim that this law banning pornography and skimpy clothes will be detrimental to the education level of indonesians (bali without pornography law will be more educated, you said).
of course, you won’t get educated simply by using or not using a cloth. what I was saying is, the fact on the ground shows that most people with skimpy clothes wont make it into PhD.
The fact that PKS has the most members with PhD compared with other parties should show you something: being islamic or following islamic law does not mean being uneducated.So while it is not necessarily a causality, there is corelation between the amount of clothes you use and your education level. at least in the indonesian case.
as for:
Experience has shown that academic degree doesnt necessarily grant you intelligence.Of course, it is the other way around. you will need intelligence for an academic degree. at least for “real” academic degree like from ITB or UI. there are some degrees you can get with just money, including from some foreign university (private univs like binus or gunadharma, some low level australian, which has almost no entrance barrier academically, where people go just for the label “studied abroad”). women with skimpy clothes usually take these kind of univ. and claim they are educated.
Itb and UI, on the other hand, is the land of the akhwats.
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@ Cuk.. I think ET said Bali and Papua, I didn’t see any mention of Papua New Guinea?
I also read your link to OSAC on Indonesia, not very encouraging. -
How long have you been a believer in the statistics of “The Great Satan” Cuk?
.Brother what I did just feed the little Satan with dung of the great Satan
@ Cuk.. I think ET said Bali and Papua, I didn’t see any mention of Papua New Guinea?
I also read your link to OSAC on Indonesia, not very encouraging.Sorry I have no time to baby-sit on you
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@Cuk.. that’s OK just read ET’s post again, and get your FACTS straight.
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I can already see the impending “neither here nor there” debate as my explanation to the word “educated” in my 1st comment to you seemed to fall on deaf ears.
Obviously I disagree with you (as mentioned quite clearly) and have a quite different perspective in viewing the word “educated”. Im not sure why I should repeat myself, but here goes: Educated here is not to describe level of academic degree. Educated here is to describe one capacity and ability to exercise one’s choice. An informed and educated choice. This naturally can not be achieved by obstructing one’s right to choose as this law would do, render him/her uneducated and deny him/her the ability to operate reason. This ridiculous anti porn law requires all members of society to accept the obligation to obey law even what it dictates are communally and personally unfit and disagreeable. To me, this makes a society uneducated. Nothing to do with degree, sir. (and here I intentionally refuse to comment on your rather insular view of: ““real” academic degree like from ITB or UI” – as this is neither here nor there)
But lets say, for the sake of discussion, say I have the same literal perspective as you do on the word “educated” , It still does not explain your statement (below)
Than we will see in 10 years what will happen.
what will happen, exactly? 🙂
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Miss Daisy
what will happen, exactly?
What he/she (andrey) hopes will happen is to get rid of anything that doesn’t fit the brainwashed muslim’s bigoted view of a uniformed jilbab society where even the slightest deviation of the daily-life rules set out by the ulama’s will be hard-handedly oppressed. Something like George Orwell’s “1984” but in a religious context and under a clerical thumb.
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This is the kind of thinking that is disintegrating all of us as a nation. Since when did our culture become the Moslem culture? This country was built with the believe that every citizens, regardless of their believes / ethnicity, will be treated equally. For this is a secular nation that upholds humanistic / religious value.
Don’t get me wrong. I have a lot of Moslem friends who have profoundly changed my life in a positive way. In fact, I am living with two Moslems in this far away land. They are my best friends whom I consider to be brothers. And guess what? None of them has ever forced their believes unto me or others. They acknowledged that religions are Godly (if they were meant to help us reach Allah/God), it is just the humans who corrupted them.
This country does not only belong to you and your kind (the narrow minded ones, I mean). Whether you like it or not, you are sharing it with me and 1.999 million other people. Our differences are supposed to help us perfect this nation and bring her forward. Not the other way around.
p.s.: Have you heard of the “sexual indecency law” in the US? Before you decided to open your mouth, please do your research and make sure that you are not just talking out of thin air. “Protection of health, safety, and moral” is at the heart of US constitution.
In God we trust, all other bring data.
Cheers!