Dialogue with Baasyir

Oct 5th, 2006, in News, by

Abu Bakar Bashir was visited by a group of Christian pastors from Europe.

Prior to visiting Baasyir the fourteen Protestant ministers from Germany and Switzerland had come to Indonesia to attend a “workshop” in Ubud, Bali, where no doubt they engaged in inter-faith “dialogue”. Continuing their inter-faith dialogue tour they arrived at the Al Mukmin, Ngruki boarding school which Ba’syir founded, their visit a result of facilitation by the Duta Wacana Christian University (UKDW) in Yogyakarta.

Ba’asyir, accompanied by the director of the school, Wahyuddin, said he hoped their visit would help close the gap between peoples of different faiths in the world. While they each held different beliefs points where they could agree had to be found in order that everyone could get along. Islam, from the beginning, sought good relations with other religions, he said. The only exception to this principle was if non-Muslims carried out acts of hatred or aggression against Muslims. Ustadz Wahyuddin voiced similar sentiments and said he was happy that the ministers had come to visit.

Abu Bakar Bashir also said that he hoped the International Council of Churches, a body the visiting pastors’ churches presumably belong to, would prod Indonesian Christians into taking a more active role in creating peace in Indonesia. Christians in Indonesia were not doing enough to establish peace in Ambon and Poso, he said.

Bashir also brought up the speech of Pope Benedict XVI in which the pontiff seemed to cast aspersions on Islam, suggesting that it was violent and intent on spreading itself by the sword. Bashir said Muslims could only take up arms to defend themselves. No force could be used in the propagation of the faith.

Pastor Olaf Schuumann, the head of the delegation, said he was happy to hear these things and that on this visit he had learned about the attitudes and feelings of Muslims towards living together with others. (Tempo, Detik, Detik.)

10 Comments on “Dialogue with Baasyir”

  1. Andrew says:

    I think it’s wrong – they shouldn’t have met with him.
    The meeting could have sent the wrong message, leading the the dude to believe that he’s important.

    Whether or not his involvement in Bali bombing has been proven, his statements towards other faiths are never friendly. I think it is best that he is ignored.

  2. Tomaculum says:

    Inter-faith dialogue: the loudests say something and the other say yes.
    Better call it inter-faith charade.
    BTW: who are Schumann and co? Cockalorums and bonhommes who mean to do something beautiful for the inter-faith understanding without knowing the real problems and local conditions/facts.
    So they fabricate one more plattform for such bloodcurding yeller.
    But it is true: the Christians in Indonesia are too inactive in their role in creating peace there.
    At the other side closing Churchs and other states of worship is actually a very active contribution to create the inter-faith peace and understanding.

    In the past the Islam community in almost every region in Indonesia stood in relative peacefull way side by side with the other faiths. Until such peoples like Baa’syir appears.
    Off course there were always mistrust and resentiments. But it was almost everytime caused by social injustice, by the inequitable allocation of the richness and of the prospects of education. The religious matter was always the expression of the religious dispersion among the social groupings.
    Nowaday the religious arguments take over almost the top of the importance.
    Religious rules are being more and more spreaded over the community and daily life, apparently “aimless”.
    The target?

    And those bonhommes from the west are glad they could learn something from that meeting. Ironically or naivety?

  3. Bradlymail says:

    it is very useful to have inter-faith dialogue in Indonesia.

  4. Tomaculum says:

    Hi, Bradymail:
    I agree with you: off course an inter-faith dialogue is necessary for Indonesia’s future (and maybe for the world/human being too). But it has to be a fair discussion.
    In a dialogue every participant should have the change to perform their positions and arguments without any fear of aftereffects.
    If someone with fixed and very narrow view, like Ba’asyir, articulate such things (see above) without any ability to recognise his own problems (without ability to self-criticism) and the other side just say:” Oh, yes, master, thanks for learning from you.” , I think that isn’t dialogue.
    Don’t misunderstand me, I don’t critisize the Islam, but such people like Ba’asyir (and Schumann off course).
    I know many Muslims/Muslima and Christians or Hindus or members of other faiths with competency to dialogue. Ba’asyir doesn’t belong to them. Schumann? I don’t know.

  5. Bradlymail says:

    Tomaculum yeah it’s very hard to create peace in Indonesia while the wolves are still around. Well let’s see…but don’t give up hope!

  6. Tomaculum says:

    It is hard, but not hopeless.

  7. Moh. Atta says:

    yup, the Christian in Indonesia is not active in creating peace..

    i think “peace” in the understanding of Baasyir is Islam state.. that’s why there is always a clash.. If u see all the clashes in Indonesia, it’s all about Islam vs Infidel..

    it’s hard to have a “dialogue” with Baasyir, especially in Indonesia.. let him be taken to Guantanamo and let’s have dialogue with him..

  8. Achmed says:

    They should stick a piece of dynamite in his ass, say “akbar bakar” and light it up.
    The bright side? He will have 40 virgins waiting for him in Paradise. Hahaha…

  9. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    @ Pak Achmed,

    Why you hate Bassyir?

  10. diego says:

    ABB: Abu Boker Beser

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