Women Police Officers’ Uniforms
Mar 5th, 2009, in News, by Patung
Bright ideas are coming thick and fast from the East Java police chief, this time headscarves for policewomen.
After suggesting that police officers improve their image and strengthen their faith by performing prayers while on the job Brigadier General Anton Bachrul Alam only a few days later has asked that Muslim police women don the jilbab/hijab, or headscarf, while on duty.
This is to invite them to walk the straight path. By wearing the jilbab it means concealing their womanliness [aurat].
It’s all happening in the BrigGen’s mind right now.
However our hero added
It’s a suggestion, not an order.
It was a suggestion that the police district of Bojonegoro had already put into practise, he said, and detik
I’m sure that police women will wear the jilbab. It would be good for them.
Reactions soon came from Muhammadiyah, Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), and the Prosperous Justice Party (Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS)). Spokesman of all three organisations praised the police chief’s good intentions, but warned against the use of any force, saying that the decision for a woman to conceal her head hair must come from the heart. detik detik
168 Comments on “Women Police Officers’ Uniforms”
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Suryo Perkoso says:
Please quote in entirety:-
I’m glad also to not that you speak “the language”Could it be a sticky key on my keyboard? Yes, perhaps it could. There are also occasions where you see “you” typed, when the word shoud have been “your” – if we look at a standard keyboard, we can see that the “e” and the “r” keys are next to each other, and could deduce therefore that this keyboard is slightly faulty, for which I most humbly apologise.
I also apologise for the typo in Miss Hindley’s surname- – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myra_Hindley
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Oigal says:
Malay now… IM is at least interesting to read as people try to place others in a box (seriously tho not offended by any of them, amused yes, offended no)..lets see that makes me a left wing communist athesist, a right wing conservative christian, a muslim convert, gay, drunken womaniser, Malay, Australian, British, American Miner, Tourist, backpacker..Well at least no one has called me an accountant!
Whilst the xenophobes on both sides provide amusement at the basest level (sorry “londo” don’t cut it as well but again no big deal but it reduces the others credability not the readers). It is shame that such antics means real issues cultural or otherwise can rarely be discussed.
This thread is a classic example, Does a Police Chief really have the authority (moral or otherwise) to be suggesting that government employees wear such obvious religious symbols in secular government (Itself a discussion point, a Muslim nation where time again Muslim based parties are poorly supported at the polls..what does that mean?)
Should a Balinese Police Chief suggest the wearing of traditional Hindu symbols in Bali ..that would be acceptable as well? If not why not?..local integration no? Perhaps Christian regions should suggest the wearing of the cross to “uplift moral values”?
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schmerly says:
“All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages.”
But alas! an accountant this one never made!!
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Lairedion says:
Wow schmerly. At last a comment of yours without name calling. You’re making progress.. 🙂
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@ Lairedion..
You’re making progress..
Pity your not yeah!
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@ Lairedion.. Btw read some of my other posts before making yourself look more stupid than you already are!
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Ah, back to normal again.. 🙂
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@ Lairedion……. You’ll notice I don’t suffer fools gladly.
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@Schmerly -Must be hell living with yourself
@Oigal – I am sure I read somewhere that you were malay, or perhaps it was someone else – you haven’t actually said that you aren’t malay though.
As a point of interest – Turkey banned the wearing of Jilbab in government office, in your opinion are they as wrong as our police chief for suggesting it?
Re wearing of crosses, you may recall that a British Airways employee was sacked for doing just that, what are your views on that?
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@ Bodoh Perkoso.. You remind me of something rather unpleasant that one would find stuck the sole of ones shoe.
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Are you capable of a sensible dialogue? Since you chooe to use BI, would you care to continue our “debate” in that language? or are you limited to “satu bir lagi” types of dialogue?
Of course you are entitled to a “tongue in cheek” review of posts and posters, but try not to be so childish.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ Patung .. found it.
@ Rob the Murray carp,
In many respects it is much like the rants of AAB and his descriptions of Australia as an overtly racist country where he is often distinguished by the color of his skin and not by the contributions he has made to the broader Australian community.
The whitey clone of Dragonball, the holocaust denier. Try ask,
1) 100 Asian residents (naturalised or local)
2) 100 Middle Eastern migrants
3) 100 BlackiesThen get back to me.
I do not know the fella, so I can not definitively state what those contributions are but I can only base this on his postings (and he has posted often that he has made such contributions).
I have not made any statement in regard to any contribution to the Australian society. Why should I anyway in a land illegally seized from the Blackies? I am in Australia solely for investment and other business purposes.
I believe you and Dragonball graduated from the some dodgy law school in India. Putting words in someone else’s mouth may be your best tactics you can come up with, but you ain’t going to fool IM readers.
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schmerly said:
@ Lairedion……. You’ll notice I don’t suffer fools gladly.
Then how do you get along with yourself?
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@ Bodoh Perko…
Are you capable of a sensible dialogue?
Yes I am, but I’ve had to lower my standards considerably, in order to converse with you Simple Simon, otherwise you wouldn’t have a clue what I was talking about, you could liken it to talking to an uneducated five year old, please don’t feel to insulted, it’s just the way things are.
I do hope you understand, and have a nice day. -
@ Lairedion…
Then how do you get along with yourself?
From your numpty chum Bodoh Perko:
Must be hell living with yourself
Do try and come up with something original, I know that’s difficult with your limited intelligence, but having your own original thoughts is so important, failing which you could always get yourself a new script writer, it might help improve your image! and stop others on IM thinking that your totally, dare I say it? BODOH !!
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I am sure I read somewhere that you were malay, or perhaps it was someone else – you haven’t actually said that you aren’t malay though.
Mmm I have not ..true enough! Although I would think it matters less that where I am from than what I do or say.
turkey banned the wearing of Jilbab in government office, in your opinion are they as wrong as our police chief for suggesting it?
Re wearing of crosses, you may recall that a British Airways employee was sacked for doing just that, what are your views on that?
I thought that would be obvious, I fully support both above statements. BA is a “secular” government sponsored airline therefore religious symbolism has no place and the same goes for turkey.
By the same token, if the World Foundation of Tooth Fairies or any other religion wishes to start its own airline, feel free but don’t expect other taxpayers to support it.
On a slightly different topic (but close) I do have a certain admiration for the christian minority in Indonesia who openly wear the cross (particulary the women) despite the daily irritations and harrassment by a number of the insecure and immature majority.
But you never answered my question, should the Police Chief in Bali “suggest” that all police officers wear traditional Balinese headdress? Should the Police Chief in say Kupang require all female staff to wear the cross? After all moral uplifing and intregation and all that..
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@ AssmadsAngryBitch..
Why should I anyway in a land illegally seized from the Blackies? I am in Australia solely for investment and other business purposes.
So you don’t mind doing business in this land illegally seized from the Blackies? /em> so I guess you don’t have to much of a conscience, but of course money will be the over riding factor yeah? so who gives a damn about the “Blackies”?? just a word of advice I’d be careful calling Aborigines, “Blackies” to their faces, as they may think your just another Indonesian racist, and we wouldn’t want to give that impression would we??
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andrey says:
One day, the people of south irian will rejoin their brothers in indonesia and prosper, just like they did before the outsiders came.
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schmerly said:
and stop others on IM thinking that your totally, dare I say it? BODOH !!
You can say whatever you want. Too bad it’s the only thing you can say. In your relatively short career here on IM you have done nothing but running around with rants and name calling. We have yet to witness a thoughtful or interesting comment of yours displaying some understanding of or appreciation for Indonesia.
It’s quite possible you have indeed nothing but contempt and disdain for anything related to Indonesia so my question again is: What are you motives to participate here on IM?
Are you able to answer this question, with or without name calling (up to you)?
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@ Lairedion.. Already had these stupid remarks from you before, like I said try and say something original, as I’m getting fed-up repeating myself to you.
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@ Lairedion…
Wow schmerly. At last a comment of yours without name calling. You’re making progress..
Who wrote this?? ME?? stop trying to be clever you’ll only lose and make yourself look more dumb than you already are OK!
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diego says:
@Lairedion:
Enjoying your round (with schmerly)?
Well, I’m just watching here.
Tick… tock… tick… tock.
Where’s dragie?
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schmerly said:
stop trying to be clever you’ll only lose and make yourself look more dumb than you already are OK!
There you go assuming again so, no, it’s not OK. Just answer a simple question.
diego,
While dragie is away we have schmerly to fill in the gap
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One day, the people of south irian will rejoin their brothers in indonesia and prosper, just like
Laugh..once sentence does a fool make.
Do tell about the religious conversion you have planned for them Audrey..and if you have time, I always enjoy the story about how Papuans chose to be part of Indonesia. Simply uplifts the human spirit.
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@ Lairedion … If you want to try and be clever your going to get flamed on any blog,
so stop being a cry baby.schmerly said:
stop trying to be clever you’ll only lose and make yourself look more dumb than you already are OK!Where is the assumption in that??
I’m getting bored with your childishness.
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Actually L has a point, its kind of boring reading the same “All muslims/Bules/Chinese” are bastards all the time and really requires no thought from the authors (Lucky I am Malay..laugh). Really no need, plenty of room for stiring the pot based on the endless number of mind boggling religious and political statements made here..which prove if nothing else stupid is not prejudice.
Schmers..Indonesia can be bizarre at times, but by the same token who would want it to be the same as Australia, over regulated, over managed and long way from what she was and could be.
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@ Lairedion..
It’s quite possible you have indeed nothing but contempt and disdain for anything related to Indonesia
Wrong again!! I have “contempt and disdain” for people that I consider stupid, and whether you agree with me or not, to my mind is totally irrelevant.
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Oigal..
Schmers..Indonesia can be bizarre at times, but by the same token who would want it to be the same as Australia, over regulated, over managed and long way from what she was and could be.
Believe it or not, I love the place!! with all the madness, I’ve lived there eighteen years, and am married to a great little Jawa girl.
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schmerly said:
Wrong again!! I have “contempt and disdain” for people that I consider stupid, and whether you agree with me or not, to my mind is totally irrelevant.
If it’s irrelevant then why are you putting in so much effort in ranting and name calling?
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@ Bodoh Perkoso.. Is this mental dexterity??
Oh! see what you mean now duh! btw who’s Myra Hyndley?