Israel Gaza Strip Conflict
Jan 5th, 2009, in News, by Patung
Protests against the Israel attacks in the Gaza Strip mirror those over the 2006 Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
A video of a recent Justice Party/Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS) march through Jakarta over the Israeli attacks on the Gaza strip:
Some stories from this site about Indonesian reactions to the 2006 Israeli invasion of southern Lebanon:
- Israel & Lebanon
- Israel & Lebanon II
- Radicalising of Indonesian Muslims
- Peacekeepers for Lebanon
- Anti Israel Christians
- Ariel Sharon’s Punishment
- Lebanese Jihad
- Paroxysms of Outrage
- Protecting Lebanon
- Dwiki Dharmawan Joins the Chorus
- Israel’s Rejection
- Helping Hizbullah
By changing the dates, and some of the names – “Lebanon” to “Palestine” or “Gaza”, “Hezbollah” to “Hamas” or the “Palestinians” – , the stories then are essentially the same as those now, – stories of mass demonstrations, calls to send troops, (basically fake) efforts to recruit volunteers, official calls for calm and the sending of humanitarian aid only, fund-raising, condemnations, etc.
175 Comments on “Israel Gaza Strip Conflict”
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ET says:
Kinch said
If Indonesia (220M people) cared so much about the plight of Palestinians, perhaps it might like to accept 200,000 of them as refugees – that’s 0.1% of the population of RI – easy enough to absorb and a good demonstration of your sincerity as a nation as opposed to just spouting words in street theatre. (A really smart (and evil) thing would be to dump them on Madura and sit back and watch :).
An alternative solution would be to give Palestine back to the Palestinians and dump the Jews on Madura. Or Aceh.
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Indonesia Visa Holder says:
Dear Chris,
it’s amusing how another punk like you uses prime examples of American leadership like the electing of Barak Obama and then….with the same crooked lips starts back sassing my country that provided you with education and true freedom.
You are another disgrace who doesn’t deserve Indonesia or America. Why don’t you go fight the Jews alone.
How dare you start popping off your mouth on a website only Indonesians see while living it up in California and soaking up my countries generosity and charity that allows you to f*cking be there.
The LAST thing Indonesia needs is another backward ass political party. And it certainly doesn’t need a backward ass punk like you running it.
You OBVIOUSLY learned nothing from America or AMERICANS while you have taken advantage of our country. And you did not learn one f*cking thing from the election of Barack Obama.
Did you see Barack Obama adding fuel to nasty world problems during his campaigning?
Did you EVER hear Barack propagandizing situations in his campaign?
Did you ever hear Barack Obama say one ill word about Indonesia?
Where do you get off talking crap (Uninformed at that) about my country?
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DumadiSatrio says:
ET:
2 problems:
1) regardless of any historical injustices, it is not going to be anyones business to put the jews anywhere. They built the country that is called Israel, generations have been born there, it is their country.
I dont know if it will help, but a little wisdom from my grandfather:
My father’s family is Yugoslav, and well…they know a thing or 2 about losing land.
They used to live in southern Serbia, but where forced off their farm by Turks. My great x 3 grandfather was killed, and his family left homeless. They moved, with nothing and began a new life in Novi Sad. Some years later, the Ottoman empire was defeated..the old farm land…had long been settled by albanian muslims. They lived there now. Would my family go back and demand that they leave now? Renew the cycle? Make them homeless as their ancestors had made them? The answer is no.Many years later in the 1940s the country was taken over by the communists. My great grandfather was not communist. His farm land was taken again, this time by the communists. He protested, He was killed, along with his wife. Only my grandfather escaped and fled to Italy, with no money and had to join the french legion for 5 years to keep from starving.
Many years later communism fell. I returned to Novi Sad with my grandfather. He had received a letter, about his old land. A ngo group had found a legal loophole of sorts, and was offering him a chance to reclaim his old farmland (50 years later). We went there…there were houses built there now. Including an apartment block. There were new generations there now. Most likely their grandparents were communists, and the communist party settled them there after the war. They eventually turned the farm land into a small village. I cant remember the exact conversation, but my grandfather told me: Why would I care about getting my old farm back? There are people living here. This all happened a long time ago. Why should I come back and disrupt the lives of these people now? The past is the past….we actually argued about it sometimes. haha, thought I was so wise.
“Those who fight about the past, are doomed to relive it…over and over and over again”Apply it to whoever you want, however you want.
Reason 2:
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diego says:
Hi hi hi… the waiting is over. Finally someone slaps Chris’ face, the con-politician (wannabe?), stateman-wannabe, with his “lengthy” yada yada yada (or “analysis” as he’d like to believe). I guess one more pretentious is down. Badabing badabang.
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@DumadiSatrio
I like your story and the way you tell it.
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UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza: http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
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Just to be a bit more balanced: http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo (Burning Conscience: Israeli Soldiers Speak Out).
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@diego,
Thank you.I think that the one thing, above all else, that is missing in conflict (not just this one) is a simple word: Empathy.
A man without empathy is a rabid creature, from its absents all sins are born.As someone who has had rabies, that is my conclusion.
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When it comes to profanity, nothing in those words is new nor surprises us at all. We the people in the US especially, in Berkeley and Oakland have done it, used it and heard them all. When it comes to public disobedience and protest against injustices, you may have just witnessed what happened down there in Oakland. We have done it and seen them all.
The conflict in Palestine will dramatically change sooner than later. The clock is ticking. This line was used by Senator John Kerry to question Senator Hillary Clinton during her confirmation hearing to be the next Secretary of State in regard to Iran’s ability to continue enriching uranium.
With worsening US economy at home and the debacle in Iraq, I don’t see the possibility for President Obama administration to lead the country to attack Iran to halt their nuclear ambition. He will not get support from the American people and I don’t think he himself wants to do it either. His middle name is still Hussein? If his administration is taking the path of diplomacy with Iran, then Iran will have the needed time to drag their feet to keep enriching uranium. This odd and the current US political direction are against Israel’s interest. As soon as an Arab nation claims to have a nuclear weapon, it will lead to a dramatic change in political landscape in the Middle East.
In January 2004 Mr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the founder of Pakistan’ nuclear program confessed to having involved in a clandestine international network of nuclear weapons technology proliferation from Pakistan to Libya, Iran and North Korea.
Mr. Khan is also known to be the first Muslims nuclear scientist who wants to create Muslim’s bombs. His ambitions can be traced with his attempts to help many Muslim’s countries around the world. The fact his network has spread around the world, the knowledge of building a nuclear power plant have been known and shared worldwide within the Islamic and non-Islamic countries, such as: Iran, Libya, Syria and North Korea. It is just a matter of time that sooner or later, there will be another Muslim country, other than Pakistan who will claim to have nuclear weapons.
The Muslims claim that all Muslims; regardless of their skin differences are brother to each other. With that in mind, I can understand why Mr. Khan so eagerly wants to help other Muslim countries to build nuclear programs. That is what his clandestine network of nuclear technology proliferation in the Middle East. He wants to help his Muslim brothers there. It makes sense.
If Iran posses a nuclear weapon, Saudi Arabia will be the next country to demand nuclear weapon and Syria will follow. The neighboring countries like Iraq and Jordan may have to demand to have one as well for their national security. If all of those Arab nations have nuclear weapons, what is left for the State of Israel bur diplomacy? The odd is not good for Israel in the long run.
This is why there are so many rumors floating around in the Jewish community to take on Iran’s nuclear facilities sooner than later. The problem is Iran has so many hidden nuclear facilities. A desperate measure to attack Iran is under consideration. Israel wants United States to take on Iran, but internal US political condition does not support this effort. Israel is left on her own to take on Iran’s nuclear facilities.
Attacking Iran in this fragile and volatile time can be a fatal and political backlash. But inaction is very detrimental to the survival of State of Israel in the long run. The clock is ticking and the direction going is detrimental to the interest of the State of Israel. The next 4 years is the critical time to see Iran’s nuclear developments.
Allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon is not good for Israel. Hamas’s ability to keep piling and firing up longer and longer rockets to Israel is another issue. Hezbollah’s ability to counter attack Israel Defense Forces was a setback to overcome. Managing over 1.5 million Palestinian people in Gaza and over 2.5 millions on the West Bank are also an issue for Israel to worry. Those populations are growing overwhelmed the Israelis population. Continuing the war and pre-emptive actions drew condemnation worldwide and deepen the hatred in the street of Arab nations. As long as those Arab nations hate the Jews, how can Israelis expect peace and security in the land of Palestine?
I do not wish the destruction of State of Israel as much as I don’t want to see the killings and atrocities toward the Palestinian people. Every nation has the right to exist and enjoy a peaceful life. Again, the fulfillment of that Prophecy is yet to be seen.
Sent by:
Chris Komari
Founder/Chairman
Future Indonesia Independent Party
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@DumadiSatrio
I agree with you. Moreover, look at this one from youtube:
. This reminds me again about “conscience”. These guys like the ones in the video surely have listened to it, and speak it out. It takes courage to do such thing. Bla bla bla…, anyway hope this conflict will end soon, and serve as a valuable lesson for all.*Eh, where is dragonwall? I miss his (?) stories about the persecution of __completely-innocent__ indon-chineses*
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Kinch says:
@ET: Interesting concept, but wouldn’t be a fair fight. The Jews would sort the Madurese out in no time at all. I can see some benefits, in improved Jewish cuisine and future generations of high IQ women knowing about Puki Madura *and* how to bargain at the Macys Fur Counter…. but it’s just not fair the to the Madurese…. they’re not known for being terribly smart… just argumentative… a bit like the Palis… and a race or fight without evenly matched competitors just isn’t sporting at all.
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Oigal says:
If Palestine became a state, with full Sovereignty, it would be held on equal footing with Israel. By this I mean, IF a Palestinian state attacks Israel, after they have been given full Sovereignty, they would be the aggressor. This would help end the moral/ethical mud puddle that has been this conflict
Now there’s an interesting concept..remove the “poor bugger me” defence although
“Then the ARABS could declare Total War on Israel” (paraphrased)..
That’s been tried a couple of times before and Israel as expected wiped their collective ar@@es
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Senior Hamas leader Ismail Haniya said the Gaza war with Israel amounted to a “great victory” for the Palestinians:
“God has granted us a great victory, not for one faction, or party, or area, but for our entire people,” said Haniyaon a side note: The senior Hamas leader has been in hiding since the start of the offensive on December 27.
sigh…..and we learn nothing
Well, I guess in 2 years we will have this same conversation again, reading the same headlines, arguing the same points…..and the cycle will play out again and again and again.
See ya then
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Michael heart says:
WE WILL NOT GO DOWN (Song for Gaza)
(Composed by Michael Heart)
Copyright 2009
Lyric:A blinding flash of white light
Lit up the sky over Gaza tonight
People running for cover
Not knowing whether they’re dead or aliveThey came with their tanks and their planes
With ravaging fiery flames
And nothing remains
Just a voice rising up in the smoky hazeWe will not go down
In the night, without a fight
You can burn up our mosques and our homes and our schools
But our spirit will never die
We will not go down
In Gaza tonightWomen and children alike
Murdered and massacred night after night
While the so-called leaders of countries afar
Debated on who’s wrong or rightBut their powerless words were in vain
And the bombs fell down like acid rain
But through the tears and the blood and the pain
You can still hear that voice through the smoky hazeWe will not go down
In the night, without a fight
You can burn up our mosques and our homes and our schools
But our spirit will never die
We will not go down
In Gaza tonight -
Kris, it is your psychotic self fulfilling Prophecy that will damn us all.
but who scares me most are those who say its gods will.It reminds me of a song I heard long ago.
the fertile crescent is burning today
and baby my emotions are too
the cradle of humanity has led us all astray
and we’re all in this together don’t you know
’cause our species has nowhere else to go
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Kris, Forgive me If I sounded a bit rude to you, I was not implying that you are nuts or something. But I think that the role of “Prophecy” IS a major factor in these events, for the worst, and that it IS self fulfilling.
When you have the president of Iran actively wanting to bring about a “mahdi” and groups like Hamas that are convinced that it is God’s will that they wipe another people out, they will look upon these “Prophecies” and work to fulfill them themselves.
When people use Prophecy as a guide to real things, like foreign policy, it is not only dangerous, but done right insane.
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Nissa says:
My comment: there were nothing but hipocrisy, lies, shallows, shown here, some comment and arguing the historical background over the gaza conflict, act like they know everything better that others. Shameless especially for the “indonesian”.
Be wise and think maturely, if you can’t take an objective perspective.
while the rest of the world wide symphatize the civilians victims (children, woman), you pigs keep circulates your short historical sources. I repeat…short.And let me tell you more, you know nothing about lapindo, aceh.. papua, others, yoa no different with such aroganz baby killer,
if you think you are better, smarter, crab a higher class of civilization, why don’t you just moderates in talk and let the other express themself. -
DumadiSatrio
Indonesia has enough Semitic imports as is.
Maybe, but nothing yet that could give it a lesson how to build and organize a prosperous country.
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@ Chris Komari
If Iran posses a nuclear weapon, Saudi Arabia will be the next country to demand nuclear weapon and Syria will follow. The neighboring countries like Iraq and Jordan may have to demand to have one as well for their national security. If all of those Arab nations have nuclear weapons, what is left for the State of Israel bur diplomacy?
This would be the best thing to happen. So the muslim countries can use them on each other.
Problem solved.
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Miss Daisy says:
@Kinchs,
Oh wow, your comment was stunning. “Jews would sort Maduranese out in no time… future generations of high IQ women knowing about Puki Madura…” i would really like to think that you werent being crude and racist, but it is kind of hard not to.Granted my country is flawed, far from perfect and frequently an embarassment, however as Indonesian citizen , who stumbled upon this site, and see how lightly derogatory and utterly condescending notion on my country and its people, being splash around in this comment threads, I can’t help but feel offended by this. This is wrong, and i would like to adress them.
Kinchs, I dont know who you are, and where you are from, but your comments which may have some weight, was dimmed by your attempt on sarcasm, which I found offensive and downright disrespectful.
On the matter discussed, I am in agreement with Dumadisatrio. Although, it is difficult to ignore the fact that, eventho Israel had the right to act in self-defence but its response to the small puncture of rocket attacks was shamefully disproportionate. And this was not even Hamas that broke the ceasefire, but IDF by raiding into gaza on Nov 4 that killed 6 hamas men. I think this explained the worldwide outcry and overpouring sympathy for Palestine. The numbers of casualties speak for themselves. In less than a month, death toll has risen to more than a thousand in Gaza, and 15 including 2 civilians in Israel. This is on top of numbers of casualties (in 3 yrs after withdrawal from Gaza) which is close 1300 including hundreds of children in Gaza, as the exchange of 11 israelis killed by the rocket fire. Whatever the numbers, however this was spinned, killing civilians is wrong. And this applies universally.
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@ Miss Daisy
In addition to having a soft spot for a failed and degenerate culture of terrorists who deliberately site their rocket launchers and mortars in school grounds, hide weapons in mosques, use ambulances for transporting fighters, put their children in harm’s way to score Israel bashing brownie points, and have situated their command headquarters underneath a HOSPITAL, and whose publicly stated and oft-repeated organisational objective is ‘the destruction of the Jewish state’ – you also lack a sense of humour and seem to have a very thin skin.
Your opinions are not worth wiping my kaffir butt with. Back in your box!
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🙂
Very predictable reply which proven my suspicion. I therefore will not entertain nor prolong. As for me being thin skinned, you maybe correct there, sir, as i do not find u funny nor do I find any humor in such prejudice innuendos. But thats just me.
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@ miss daisy:
#@#$@#$@#$#@$@#… *and* the horse you rode in on.
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Indonesia Visa Holder says:
Chris Chris Chris,
Prophecy this, Prophecy that!!!! This is your foundation for a new political party in Indonesia? PROPHECY!!!!!
Capek Dech!!! You are an idiot!!
With worsening US economy at home and the debacle in Iraq, I don’t see the possibility for President Obama administration to lead the country to attack Iran to halt their nuclear ambition. He will not get support from the American people and I don’t think he himself wants to do it either. His middle name is still Hussein? If his administration is taking the path of diplomacy with Iran, then Iran will have the needed time to drag their feet to keep enriching uranium. This odd and the current US political direction are against Israel’s interest. As soon as an Arab nation claims to have a nuclear weapon, it will lead to a dramatic change in political landscape in the Middle East.
Moron!!! The US already blocked this plan under Bush!!! And the fact that you continue spouting monkey-poo is ridiculous. For a High tier university, you sure are dumber than a box of rocks!!!
His middle name is Hussein?
It’s a name! Whats your connecting connotation for this statement? Your 4 yr degree has not taught you Conclusion, Evidence and assumption?
In your case….FOCUS on EVIDENCE!!!
The Muslims claim that all Muslims; regardless of their skin differences are brother to each other. With that in mind, I can understand why Mr. Khan so eagerly wants to help other Muslim countries to build nuclear programs. That is what his clandestine network of nuclear technology proliferation in the Middle East. He wants to help his Muslim brothers there. It makes sense.
MUSLIM BROTHERS? What about your Muslim brothers in DARFUR? Guess they slipped through the cracks. Whats the death toll there now? Why you not all over China’s ass for these muslim brothers?
Allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon is not good for Israel. Hamas’s ability to keep piling and firing up longer and longer rockets to Israel is another issue. Hezbollah’s ability to counter attack Israel Defense Forces was a setback to overcome. Managing over 1.5 million Palestinian people in Gaza and over 2.5 millions on the West Bank are also an issue for Israel to worry. Those populations are growing overwhelmed the Israelis population. Continuing the war and preemptive actions drew condemnation worldwide and deepen the hatred in the street of Arab nations. As long as those Arab nations hate the Jews, how can Israelis expect peace and security in the land of Palestine?
Are you not a side-winding snake in the grass. Which side of your lips you want to talk out of? Now you make Hama’s look like the instigator which makes Israel’s reaction ok. So you Pro-Israel or Pro-Hamas or Pro-Palestine?
Israel’s Actions are not preemptive. It is simple problem. Stop shooting rockets. or are Hama’s and their teenage supporters too stupid to connect like you?
I do not wish the destruction of State of Israel as much as I don’t want to see the killings and atrocities toward the Palestinian people. Every nation has the right to exist and enjoy a peaceful life. Again, the fulfillment of that Prophecy is yet to be seen.
Every nation has the right to exist? Hmmmmm…….except ones who don’t believe in the prophecy of Mohammad ya? Seems that you support violence, ignorance and lack of humanity because you insist on defending the instigating action of violence to resolve political disputes. It apparently is ok to be an illegal government, shoot rockets into other defined political and geographical borders and then use your own citizens as human shields while you fight the impending rain of hell that falls on you because you couldn’t put your f*cking lighter away and shot of another rocket.
Chris….you are a disgrace. Not only a disgrace for hopeful Indonesians but also a disgrace for Americans who allowed you to be part of their education system. best you stay in Cali permanently because your future in Indonesia is getting bleaker by the minute. Especially after I posted your crap on an INTERNATIONAL BLOG!!
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hary says:
Now Now kinch… no need to be rude…
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@ hary: oh… i dunno.. 😀
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@kinch :
I believe what you MEANT to say to Miss Daisy was:
A factor that greatly complicates matters is that the conflict has created a culture of terrorism with little regard for even their own peoples’ lives. In the quest to win at all costs, Hamas deliberately site their rocket launchers and mortars in school grounds, hide weapons in mosques, use ambulances for transporting fighters, put their children in harm’s way to score Israel ensure public create greater animosity toward Israel and control influence public opinion , and have situated their command headquarters underneath a hospital, and whose publicly stated and oft-repeated organisational objective is ‘the destruction of the Jewish state’. I also understand your point, and while I sympathize, I can not think of a solution for working around such issues for Israel. Perhaps honest discussion of these issues, instead of the typical back and forth, would foster a greater understanding between us on these issues. -
@DS:
Actually nope… I meant what I said. No point in debating with the likes of MD as the only form of debate which might get through to her would involve copious application of napalm accompanied by Wagner (Solti’s your man for the Rinse Cycle, accept no substitutes!) on the 8-track. Any facts presented were for benefit of those who might not be familiar with them (mainstream media certainly is not interested in any facts of POV which might even tend toward a neutral, let alone a pro-Israel position). But I find it refreshing to express contempt and disdain toward moral pygmies every now and then.
Pour Encourager les Autres as Voltaire once said in reference to Admiral Byng.
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Mahmoud Zahar, a top Hamas leader celebrating their “victory”:
“Our next move will be to liberate Jerusalem and all the land of Palestine, from the river to the sea.”
If Israel invades the Gaza Strip again, all the Palestinians will become suicide bombers.
The 10,000 Palestinians in the crowd responded with “Ya..wait…wha?….uhmmmm”sigh, I really hope they kick these idiots out, and make peace.
This is like a bad monty python sketch now
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Fully agree with DumadiSatrio’s comment.