Justice & Injustice

Nov 3rd, 2008, in Opinion, by

Ross bemoans the fact that FPI leader Habib Rizieq was only jailed for 18 months.

Ban the FPI

A little ray of sunshine, seeing that overweight Islamist swine, Habib Rizieq ranting indignantly at the “injustice” of getting 18 months for his role in the assault by FPI thugs on the peaceful Monas demo. And nice to see the police finally standing up to his fellow-primitives outside the courthouse.

Habib Rizieq
Habib Rizieq.

But none of those rioting bigots was arrested, according to the tv news. That was in stark contrast to those poor students in Surabaya; they were not Islamofascists or Marxists or any similar sort of anti-democratic undesirables – they were merely venting their perfectly understandable dissatisfaction with their government.

Yet the violence evident in the arrests seemed disproportionate. Unlike the FPI, those students were not especially aggressive, whereas the FPI outside the court were their normal kurang ajar selves. Why did Jakarta’s Police not truck a bunch of them off to jail? Riotous conduct is an arrestable offence in any country.

Despite the FPI verdicts (and five years would have been better, while a bit of hukum cambuk would not have gone amiss) it seems to me that the regime is still not prepared to grasp the nettle. In this month alone we had Islamo-cretins rampaging up in Sleman against a Christian house of worship, and in Jogja too, picking on the kepercayaan/animist believers.

On TVOne Thursday night, the lovely interviewer tried to maintain balance between Pak Guntur of the pro-tolerance group in their Pulo Gadung studio and an FPI legal twit named Abdurrahman Jelaeni (who apparently thought Hallowe’en had come early and was dressed up as a kind of Rudolf Valentino stage-Arab) in their Thamrin studio; but the smarmy sectarian insisted on shouting down his opponent, totally unrepentant, maintaining that the Monas hoodlum antics were the result of “provocation”. He, and the FPI as a whole, surely have a case to answer for bringing “their” religion into disrepute.

There is a clear need to slap down these arrogant, ignorant savages. They are dead set on turning this generally cheerful country into a compound of drab, shrouded women subjugated to po-faced, self-righteous slobs (a mirror-image of Hizbut Tahrir demonstrations, right?) Regrettably, I don’t think this government has the inclination, much less the grit, to do so.

12 Comments on “Justice & Injustice”

  1. Enigmatic says:

    Can’t agree more with that Ross.

  2. Rob says:

    As a matter of interest, how much time should he have been given for his crimes because I wonder if five years and a little hukum cambuk is proportional to the indictment read and the charges laid?

  3. Andy says:

    Great post Ross, one of the best i’ve read here in a long time. Simple answer to your question. The country is run by Indonesian muslims. One or the other is bad enough but that mix is toxic and dangerous. They can never rule in the true best interest and will never understand that what is acceptable for them is just a complete embarrassment to their people generally and totally unacceptable for the outside world where morals, decency and the rule of law apply.

  4. Rob says:


    Is there a little internal inconsistency in your comment on this one?

    Indonesians are bad, Muslims are bad, and together they are toxic and dangerous, right?

    Yet, you then say that they are incapable of running the country and are a complete embarrassment to their people. Now, their people would be Indonesians, right?

    My question is, “if Indonesians are bad then why would they be embarrassed?”

    I am not sure that the outside world is the bastion of morals, decency, and the application of the rule of law that you make it out to be. I would hardly say that it is unacceptable considering the amount of aid dollars coming into the country and the investments still being made.

  5. Andy says:

    Rob-My question is, “if Indonesians are bad then why would they be embarrassed?”

    I didn’t say all the people are bad Rob. Please don’t try and talk like the indos here who completely take what I say out of context. You are far more intelligent than they are. Many Indonesian friends of mine who have been overseas for either study or work are clearly embarrassed by the direction their country has taken. This is why I often doubt some our the posters here who claim to be Indonesian and have travelled extensively. Muslims who live there with no hope of ever travelling abroad clearly don’t know what is going on (or turn a blind eye) and have been brainwashed since their birth. Minorities do know what’s going on and are disgusted by it.

    Everyone invests where they can. There are a handful of exceptions though (North Korea etc) but Indonesia hasn’t quite crossed that line yet. During the 1960s and 1970s the west supported Suharto’s brutal regime as he was seen as the lesser evil between himself and communism. We have given mountains of aid to Indonesia after disasters and tragedies struck. But as you can read on these pages some Indonesians spit in our face (or stab us in the back) while taking our money. I think we should seriously look at redistributing our generous aid packages to more worthy causes. What do you think Rob?

  6. Rob says:


    The country is run by Indonesian muslims. One or the other is bad enough but that mix is toxic and dangerous.

    This is what I am referring to and the context would be? Just so I know how I am taking it out of context. There is nothing in that quote that says, “some Indonesians” or “some Muslims” is there? Which makes my question a legitimate one.

    Many of my Indonesian friends who have been overseas either to study or live along with my Indonesian friends who have not been so fortunate to have that opportunity are also alarmed and disturbed by what is happening. However, your post does seem to suggest that Indonesians are incapable of ruling themselves and incapable of ruling in the best interests of the people. This I think reeks of the same sort of superiority complex that the pen names of PN and AAB are accused of.

    Indonesians can rule themselves and they can do so with their own interests at heart.

    Let’s face it there were a few Australians that were somewhat alarmed and disturbed at the direction Australia was taking under John Howard. I am sure there are some equally alarmed and disturbed at the direction the country is taking under Kevin Rudd.

    Should we pick up our ball and go home because some people do not like us? Hell no. If the PNs and AABs of this world want to stab us in the back and spit in our faces then so be it. The reality is that you give too much respect to their arguments if you think they are talking on behalf of the majority of Indonesians. They are not.

    For my mind, Indonesia is a worthy cause in the sense that Australian aid dollars can make a positive difference in the lives of many. The PNs and the AABs of this world will write in these forums how they have given me a right royal trashing and educated me on the Indonesian way. They may have their fantasies and live in their little fantasy worlds. Yet, I am not swayed by their arguments and I am not intimidated by their anti-Australian, anti-white rants, as it is part and parcel of this forum.

    I actually enjoy reading both of them and their rants because if anything it highlights how far things have come and how much further they have to go.

  7. Andy says:

    Rob-Indonesians can rule themselves and they can do so with their own interests at heart.

    I agree that democracy is a better alternative than the former as I believe the former lead to what we see in how people lack the will to challenge the country and government in which they live. Blind patriotism is almost as big a problem as islamic fundamentalism. I truly hope Rob that in time things will be better as you know my family are Indonesian and I hope to one day live part of my life there again and buy properties, farms etc.

    This can only happen if the democratically elected government reinforces that they are indeed a secular country and not an islamic one. For this I think you and I have more faith in the Indonesian people than do PN and AAB. They prefer the autocratic leadership of the past and have said numerous times the rakyat haven’t the maturity to vote. At the moment they are probably right. We have been a democracy for over 100 years, themselves less than 10 so are in the adolescent stage. While Howard and Rudd haven’t got all right, we still are a country that practices human rights, multiculturalism and has free education and health care for all. For that I will always be glad i’m an Aussie.

  8. Ross says:

    Rob, you actually have a point when you say that Western countries should not be too quick to cast stones- in the UK, terrorists are bought off by being given ministerial positions in provincial governments, instead of the hukum mati they deserve. In America they often are co-opted into the Establishment and become college profs and intimates of Presidential candidates. In Canada, they zoom in, cast off their Taliban gear and get health care benefits.

    But Western citizens can still have a good rail against what goes on here in Indonesia, so long as we rail at the iniquities back home too. I am an equal-opportunities railer!

    How much time should he have been given? – well, as the self-proclaimed leader of an outfit that revels in thuggery and intimidation in the name of hate, or indeed in the name of anything, I’d say an indefinite sentence, until his mafia are disbanded, and forced to express apologies and offer restitution to their numerous victims.
    Maybe the easiest way is to let him out on probation after his 18 months and haul him back every time one of his white-shirt nazis harasses or hits anyone.

  9. joao says:

    I’m just being overly curious, are they going to place his holiness habib Rizieq in the same exact cell with most notorious Ryan of Jombang ? For the whole 18 months that is.

  10. lgun says:

    There is no need to ban FPI since we need an organization that accommodate people with far right view. This organization also make it easier to control and used as far as it needed. Their existence also balancing if not suppressing for the leftist that gradually comes up nowadays. The clash that happen merely miniscule that can be handled according to law.
    Beside FPI was just an ant compared to the “Exclusive Brethren” Cult which can be linked to John Howard, even “Opus Dei” or “Illuminati” which nobody knows wether it exist or not since they work in shadow.

  11. Ross says:

    Igun, I don’t want to ban orgagnisations just because they hold ‘extreme right’ views. (some people have even said my own views are a tad to the right of centre!)
    What I want to ban are groups that use vicious, cowardly brutality instead of peaceful protest and lawful argument – if the police had ever steppped in and foiled the FPI’s thug assaults on persons and property, I think they might have given up and settled for rational debate, but long-nurtured by establishment indifference or even covert support, it is too late to change their ways now. Outlaw them, before they sink this country.
    BTW, Opus Dei certainly exists. Don’t know about Illuminati but Freemasonry (of the sort that under-pinnned the French Revolution) is worth investigating, for sure.

  12. lgun says:

    Well, I never support radical brutality movement myself, but to ban FPI would be no easy task also, furthermore if I’m not mistaken they were ex PAM swakarsa which ABRI/TNI made.
    I hope Police with help from TNI can neutralize and manage this threat without disbanding anyone.
    A bit OOT, interesting point on Freemasonry, care to share your knowledge on them for what is worth to investigate on them, as far as I know they were the group that responsible on secularism, might connect to secular movement in Indonesia through their wing organisation such as Rotary Club, or maybe i have had a mistake about that. Not that I have an anti secular view, just wanna see a peace and prosperous Indonesia, not getting chaos from outer hand, if you know what I mean.

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