Timor Leste Relations
Oct 29th, 2008, in Opinion, by Guest WriterPurba Negoro sees broad sunlit uplands for East Timor-Indonesia relations, and current Australian nefariousness.
Timor Leste seeks Javanese Know-how
Timor Leste’s Economic and Development Minister Joao Gonzalves is visiting Yogyakarta Special Province (DIY) to explore win-win cooperation in various fields.
“We hope cooperation win-win cooperation with Yogyakarta in the field of agriculture, industry, handicrafts, and human resources development will be materialized,” Gonzalves said at a meeting with Yogyakarta Vice Governor Paku Alam IX here on Monday.
On the occasion, Gonzalves said Timor Leste as a new country in its development process invited Indonesian investors including from Yogyakarta to invest in various fields in his country.
Gonzalves said his visit to Yogyakarta was to obtain first hand information about the development of local small-and-medium scale industry.
“We want to get a lot of knowledge from Yogyakarta because this province has prospective micro and agrobusiness, and such a condition is similar to that in Timor Leste,” he said.
In his visit, Gonzalves also explored a possible business meeting with related institution in Yogyakarta and Timor Leste, as well as private parties to find out in which fields the cooperation could be made.
“Business meeting among government officials and businessmen will be of great advantage to Timor Leste`s development in agriculture, industry, handicrafts, and human resources development,” he said In the meeting with Paku Alam IX at Kepatihan Pareanom building, Gonzalves was accompanied by his deputy, Rui Mauvel. antara
Timor has finally had the scales removed from its’ eyes and seen the Australian “liberation” was exactly like that of the Australians in Papua New Guinea or the US in Iraq – a bold-faced grab for resources cloaked in an oft perpetuated lie – their own people delude themselves in as the truth is far too painful to digest.
Timor and Indonesia have buried whatever animosity existed since Gusmao’s highly respectful visit to Indonesia’s National Hero’s Cemetery – Kali Bata and met with many prominent Indonesian power-brokers including many former ABRI officers who served in Timor.
Hardly the actions of a victim of genocide – thus further proving Western NGO propaganda to yet again be propaganda, fabrication and embellishment.
History:
The relationship of Indonesia and Timor has historically been complex since the Portuguese abandoned the province amidst its’ civil war and the coup in Lisbon.
Timor was split into 3 main factions- one Leftist- FRETILIN, one pro Portuguese the landholder and business classes (majority Chinese) UDT and one Pro Indonesian- the APODETI. In June of 1975- FRETILIN boycotted the Portueguese tribunal on decolonization- representatives of UDT and APODETI complained that this was an effort to obstruct the decolonization process- UDP and FREILIN had formed a coalition since January.
The UDT started a coup and UDT and FREITILN fought violently – killing over 3000. UDT fled to West Timor and requested Indonesia’s military assistance under the guise of APODETI.
Australia was the first to recognise Indonesian sovereignty with full maritime border recognition and within three weeks a contract for US-Australian oil multinationals including Conoco Phillips, Sunrise Energy, Burmah Petroleum, former Borneo Oil, Woodside, and various other relics of those Anglosphere halcyon parasitic colonial days.
Fearing reprisals from FRETILIN when re-occupying Timor under the protection of the ABRI- UDT yet again flip-flopped and claimed the ABRO had coerced them with extreme violence and gladly payed extortion money to the FRETILIN thus enabling its’ terrorist activities prior to Australian NGO funding- principally through ETAN and the UK Foreign Intel Service’s construct :TAPOL
The West did not desire yet another Communist as Timor’s Fretilin was perceived. The US had real leverage to force Suharto to allow US nuclear submarines through the Timor Gap in violation of Australian sovereignty and maritime law- an act of war.
It should be remembered that US contempt for Indonesian sovereignty was highlighted again during the Yom Kippur War when the US deliberately kept an entire nuclear carrier fleet in the Malacca Strait.
Some of the few upright Australians later rued their latest transparent Colonial excursion as yet again selfless puppet of Britain and the US:
“We went to East Timor to help those people, and now we are slapping them in the face and stealing their oil.”
“We thought we were doing something decent. Now we have to ask the very real question of whether or not we went to East Timor to secure oil assets that aren’t ours.”
Major (ret’d) Chip Henriss-Anderssen, March 7, 2005.
East Timor became politically independent on May 20, 2002. Three weeks earlier, Australia withdrew from international legal processes for resolving maritime boundary disputes. On its first day of independence, East Timor signed the Timor Sea Treaty with Australia, allowing oil projects begun under the 1989 treaty with Indonesia to continue uninterrupted.
“Since 1999, Australia has continued as an occupier for Timor-Leste’s territory, acting on control over the Timor Sea that it obtained through a deal with the illegal Indonesian occupier
charges La’o Hamutuk.
Prior to talks regarding Timor refusal to accept Australia’s demands for Timor to receive less than 18% of the Greater Sunrise Gas Fields on March 7-9, of 2005 – a foreign affairs and trade department official told reporters in Canberra that the Australian coalition government was prepared to hold out for up to 99 years – referring to a “Hong Kong” scenario if the government of East Timor maintained its demand that the maritime boundaries be settled according to international law.
Projected yield for Greater Sunrise was expected to attain 30 billion, with a paltry 4 billion maximum to East Timor.
East Timor’s North West continental shelf has the largest known deposits of gas on the planet.
Such are the actions of Indonesia’s now Timor’s alleged “friend” of the region. With friends like these – who bold-facedly fund seccessionist NGO movements then attack Indonesia’s suppression of their terrorism- who needs enemies?
China and the former foe by US decree Soviet Union suddenly look very friendly indeed.
Indonesia’s newly refound friend, Russia’s, will be constructing a new massive cosmodrome very possibly capable of independent ICBM launches from undisclosed islands off Biak Island – with full sovereign rights to Russia.
Australia hosts several joint US military advance warning installations on the former Soviet nations and now China’s, top ten nuclear strike list- Pine Gap, Shoal Bay, Dutson Downs and several others as well as individual components of the Jindalee Operaton Radar Network established under Menzies (quoted as desiring the F-111 to be able to launch a nuclear strike on Jakarta) to deliberately spy on Indonesia- tellingly never taken out of operation when Konfrontasi had ended and full war friendships under Suharto.
Seven JORN transponders are located at Christmas Island, Broome, Kalumburu, Darwin, Nhulunbuy, Normanton and Horn island QLD. With 12 Ionosondes at Laverton, Ajana, Boolathana, Learmonth, South Hedland, Curtin RAAF, Kalkaringin, Groote Eylandte, RAAF Scherger, Lynd River, Longreach.
It has range estimated to be in excess of 4000 miles- allowing Australia to spy on China, Taiwan and North Korea, as well as covering all Indonesian territory- including parts of Thailand and Philippines.Isonodes of the Jindalee over-horizon radar system- built specifically to spy on Indonesia (now upgraded sensitivity to 4-4500 miles radius).
Australia has taught us very well the art of friendly platitude disguising the lethal back-stab.
My next post will be on Australia’s sour grapes colonial military aggression in Indonesia sovereign territory and affairs.
57 Comments on “Timor Leste Relations”
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Major (retd) Timothy Doggington-Smythe says:
Hah! What did I tell you? Eh? Whatsit? One whiff of white discipline and the threat of a good thrashing and this Puerile bloody Negro bolts for the hills like the squealer he and his kind always are…
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dragonwall says:
To all,
If all of us look carefully and tread through his comments, he seemed to be very well informed person, but I see nothing concrete that he can backed all those up.
When others go avisiting, he just let his hands do the walking. No wonder Rob said he is a serial masterbatur.
Go easy Major, no one seemed to agree on anything this old chap said. He detest everyone from European countries and Asia. But if you say something that sort of side ABRI and Indonesia, then he will start to licking like what he said a dog born in a barn won’t be a horse.
This guy is a coward, a traitor, discriminator, Chinese hater who will never become a nationalist. And he boast of that when he dies he will be buried at Kalibata and honored like a traitor…I bet.
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Sorry Rob..wrong spelling..you know this guy said of my barely coherent english. ha.ha..
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Purba Negoro says:
Amusing albeit useless attempts at baiting me Timdog, Rob or Patung.
You’re welcome to ask your Gurkha ‘hard men’ how soft we Javanese are.
More please- you’re the Dragonwall of the bules.
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Oigal says:
attempts at baiting
I used to that years ago with wild dogs, not pretty work but never the less a necessary social service..mmmm
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Now look here bumboy, you’ll learn to show a bit of respect when there’s a white man around, or you’ll be in for such a hiding you won’t even be able to wear your woman’s skirt for a week, what!
Mumbai? That what the bloody Hindoos are calling Bombay these days? Never had much gratitude, the Hindoos, but at least they had a damn sight more culture and brains that the bloody, whatsit, Javanese, eh!
Hah! Puerile bloody whatsit!
The clap? not a chance of it old boy, had the prostate out a decade ago, and in any case, never much liked the chaps myself. Give me a bit of the old rump and tit anyday – hah! Lahore nautch girls! Now we’re talking.
Of course, buggery has its place, TE Lawrence and whatnot, boys together, quivering in the hot yielding sand, quenching their urges in each others’ clean limbs and all that. You don’t spend 14 years in public school without learning a thing or two, what!But there’s a big difference between buggery and being a pansy, and I’ll tell you something – these Javanese are pansies, the lot of them – worse than women, what!
Now little Johnny Gurkha’s a fine fellow, no doubt about it, but still nothing to a Pathan. Finest fighting man on earth, still is, old man, still is. I hear from the chaps at the Club that these Taliban are still dishing out a good dusting to our boys now and again, even bagged themselves a Gurkha last week. Fabulous stuff, what!
Ah the Pathan! What a man! Great deal of respect for them, what. The Pathan’s not averse to a bit of buggery himself, but by god, he’d wipe the floor with these skirt-wearing Javanese woofdahs! -
What is the weather like in Swaziland these days Major, trouble in Rhodesia I see.
Johnny Mugabee isn’t letting your Jews lads onto his platinum fields, the rotter.
And the Keenyans dare pop you off to jail the minute you pot one of their tribe chappies for the den wall.Is the colonic prolapse still effecting you or is that Ceylonese Tamil cabin boy lend his helping, soft hands?
PS- you are a relative of Kenneth Moore, aren’t you?
PS- more please Sahib, there’s a good chap.
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Now it will become harder for you to accept when you say
You’re welcome to ask your Gurkha ‘hard men’ how soft we Javanese are
No, you don’t represent the whole Javanese or any Indonesian Community and you don’t fit at all bar none.
I don’t need to because when young I mix with these people when they were stationed at Pulau Belakang Mati.
My grandad was a good friend of the Chief of Command during the British Occupation in Singapore. We own amusement parks because the whole Hokian Community in Singapore were more than just close. They are simply amazing like what you see now the high rises.
So did you see how small you are?.. Albeit your all bar none…crap.
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Mat Salleh says:
So TAPOL is an invention of British intelligence? Yeah right, just like Campaign Against Arms Trade, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Cuba Solidarity Campaign – ha, ha, ha!
Come on, people, should we be surprised that there are Indonesians who think like this? There are Japanese who think that they did nothing wrong in Korea, sixty years after they left, – however at least the Koreans have backbone, and weaned themselves off dependence on their old ruler, unlike the Timorese.
If Indonesia had behaved like the Indians did in Goa and China did in Macau, then ‘Timor Leste’ would have been painlessly integrated into Indonesia. In fact, if Sukarno had taken it over in the early 1960s, when Indonesia was the darling of the Western left, and Portugal was a pariah fascist dictatorship, he could have got away with it. Salazar would have shed crocodile tears, but a few years later, Lisbon would have restored ties with Jakarta, backdated recognition of Indonesian sovereignty of East Timor to the day of the takeover, and then forgotten about it.
Goa still has its own legal system – civil code, also used in Indonesia, not English common law, like the rest of India, and Konkani is an official language. Macau enjoys the same status within China as Hong Kong – the only reason Portugal didn’t leave in the 1970s was because the Chinese were still trying to formulate the ‘One Country, Two Systems’ policy. So in thge interim, Macau became a ‘Chinese territory under temporary Portuguese administration’.
Even Apodeti wanted autonomy within Indonesia, but ABRI said ‘no’ Even Ali Alatas advocated it, but Suharto said the existing daerah istimewa should be phased out.
Tetum is a pidgin language
Typical Indonesian arrogance towards ‘bahasa daerah’ – the original form of Tetum, called Tetun-Terik, is largely free from borrowings from other languages.
Anyway, what would ‘Indonesian’ be if it weren’t for borrowings from Sanskrit – bumi, putera, raja, bahasa or Arabic – waktu, umum, dunia, majelis? Or Portuguese – kemeja, sepatu, keju, gereja, sekolah, garpu, roda, jendela? Or nowadays, English (or pseudo-Dutch or Latin) ones – stabilitas, asmilasi, kuriositas, diskusi
Answer: a Malay pidgin, confined to the Riau Islands. (By the way, as a native English speaker I’m grateful that English is a mongrel language, thanks to the Norman Conquest, because while I wouldn’t want to speak French, I wouldn’t want to speak German either.)
It makes me laugh the way Purba and Achmad on this forum think their country is some kind of superpower – maybe some Australians think like that, but in North America or Western Europe? Indonesia just means ‘Bali’. We think of Indonesia in the same way as Australia thinks of Brazil – not very much and not very often. And we prefer to learn languages of serious Asian countries, like China and India, not of some flimsy by-product of Dutch colonialism.
Yes, we know Indonesia tries to big itself up by banging on about ‘Afro-Asian Solidarity’ ‘Spirit of Bandung’, and the ‘Non-Aligned Movement’, but what do Indonesians know or care about Africa anyway? They’re just as racist as white people. ‘Non-Aligned solidarity’ means ‘we have nothing in common apart from the fact that we hate the West”.
As fo Singapore, you’re just jealous, because it’s everything Indonesia isn’t – clean, efficient, and free of corruption. Being kicked out of Malaysia was the best thing ever to happen to the Lion City.
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I haven’t had much praise for just about anyone, but this is the best thing a Native English commentator had gave to Indonesians.
It makes me laugh the way Purba and Achmad on this forum think their country is some kind of superpower – maybe some Australians think like that, but in North America or Western Europe? Indonesia just means ‘Bali’. We think of Indonesia in the same way as Australia thinks of Brazil – not very much and not very often. And we prefer to learn languages of serious Asian countries, like China and India, not of some flimsy by-product of Dutch colonialism.
not forgetting to include people like AAB
we have nothing in common apart from the fact that we hate the West”.
As fo Singapore, you’re just jealous, because it’s everything Indonesia isn’t – clean, efficient, and free of corruption. Being kicked out of Malaysia was the best thing ever to happen to the Lion CityI salute you being able to see and view the political situation in general as a whole.
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Isn’t Bretagne and Normandy part of France and speak dialect of France?
Singapore free of corruption. Such a lovely fairy tale.
Perhaps you can explain the missing billions from DBS currently genius?Free and fair elections in Singapore- ask Mistress Lee Kwan Yew- Minister-ess for Life.
Yet again the vast ignorance of whitey. Enjoy your credit crunch.
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You quoted
Singapore free of corruption. Such a lovely fairy tale.
Perhaps you can explain the missing billions from DBS currently genius?What has that got to do with the bank. You are referring to Development Bank of Singapore? Are you sure you are able to backed up the billions missing? Even if so what has that got to the country’s corruption free image? If it really happened then don’t you think the government will not capitalize on the situation to further show the public of their image!
You must have thought that if the bank is in Indonesia, then the possibility exist for you to do something? Like pretending to be an ABRI guy trying to extort from them? The kind of situation that usually enrich a corrupt official in Indonesia, right?Free and fair elections in Singapore- ask Mistress Lee Kwan Yew- Minister-ess for Life.
Even if it is the case, I am sure many Singaporean, with a few digrunted ones, are quite willing to accept that. Can you find someone that will come close in comparing academic qualification with her or her son ?
Yet again another ignoramus clown of dinosaur-negara outright showing your jealousy of an achievement that many countries envy and try ti imitate.
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Dragonwall,
Degrees can be easily bought and sold- just look at your own shocking English language to prove the woeful inadequacy of your education and primacy of fee-for degree.
What is there to be jealous of Singapore- its’ pathetic domestic economy will nosedive shortly.
It’s entirely reliant on Malaysia and Indonesia- otherwise its’ largest employer- Keppel- would have no work.A nation of money-lusting Hokkien peasants?
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Andy says:
http://www.etan.org/et2008/9september/20/18collab.htm
Our government has been incredibly soft on the war criminals up north. I wonder why Indonesians don’t want to kiss our butts upon reading this. Well maybe we are doing too much of that ourselves.
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And this is a website recommended by Purba previously.
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Degrees can be easily bought and sold- just look at your own shocking English language to prove the woeful inadequacy of your education and primacy of fee-for degree.
Can you buy one and then tell us where to buy one?
What is there to be jealous of Singapore- its’ pathetic domestic economy will nosedive shortly.
Want to take a bet?
It’s entirely reliant on Malaysia and Indonesia- otherwise its’ largest employer- Keppel- would have no work.
So Singapore is only building ships for Indonesia and Malaysia?
A nation of money-lusting Hokkien peasants?
BTW We have Medan- essentially the same thing.Then what is Indonesia all about, what is Indonesians all about? You mean that they don’t lust for money? Then what about all putting your hands out asking for international assistance?
Look how pathethic you are!
Boasting with all the fighting as an army officer and finally admitted that you are only just a mere logistic guy in the army, doing courier jobs, and filling up government contracts?
Worst of all you do also admit that you are a medium, which means? CALO KAN. And building roads, buildings, aparments blah..blah..blah.. meaning? Most jobs from who? And yet you say you did not use a single rupiah of the chinese money!
COME ON WHERE IS YOUR “MIAN ZI” ? WHERE IS YOUR LIAN? and you even talk about “YUANFEN”? BTW WTF you know about all these? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT YOUR FACE.
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woeful inadequacy of your education
had somehow got you carried away right?
All of us here are beginning to see how pathetic you are and what a mediocre you have been.
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Andy
And this is a website recommended by Purba previously.
Is that about buying a degree? Or looking into the Indonesian Ancestry!
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Andy,
like you said about the Philippinos- “they know which side their bread is buttered on”.Actually your link, more prove my argument that most if not all perpetrator were Timorese.
As time goes on- the truth will emerge that the reality of Timor was far less simplistic as the newspapers and NGO’s like to paint- and Timorese were not exactly angelic.Seriously Rudd does not want too many wounds open because he is very well aware Whitlam, Hawke, Beasely, Keating would all have to answer some very uncomfortable wquestions.
Not to mention Fraser and opposition Howard.
This is Real Politik- economics is the motivation. Rudd has likely been advised Australian economy will have to become more export reliant and China may not be as promising a market as hyped- so Australia has to cultivate as many good regional links as possible to earn its way out of the minor recession it seem to face.Indonesian maco economy is actually good and will endure the sub-prime recession- the micro-economy and consumer sector is suffering.
My friend who has some shop in some malls here- had to lay off workers- first time ever last year he was hiring.
2010 will be a better year for Indonesia as huge gas project start to come online. I am sure your Australian analysts have already briefed your leaders.Bragg’n’-wails- eat salmon sushi- you might just yet sprout another brain cell.
Chinese food and MSG just make you dumber. You’re proof.
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PN-This is Real Politik- economics is the motivation. Rudd has likely been advised Australian economy will have to become more export reliant and China may not be as promising a market as hyped- so Australia has to cultivate as many good regional links as possible to earn its way out of the minor recession it seem to face.
Well again, regardless as to what the ‘rakyat’ like to believe, Australia and Indonesia have always had close relations. It is the occasional spat which is more newsworthy though and the ones that have Indonesians foaming at the mouth from time to time. We are lets not forget one of the first countries to recognise Indonesia’s independence.
On to China, we have never been closer to China than we have in the last few years and Rudd is both fluent in Mandarin (he gives speeches to the Chinese in their language) and was previously an ambassador there so can only imagine those relations will get closer.
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You mean your mcakerel economy
Indonesian maco economy is actually good and will endure the sub-prime recession- the micro-economy and consumer sector is suffering.
If you do not know about economy, sh*t the fu*ck up.
The indonesian macro is always about calculating the exchange rate to show that they are improving, nothing is real. With the way the economy is going and rupiah sliding further amidst faltering economy hyper inflation will definitely set in so any dick, tom and ABRI GD Man like you will tend to know.
You must be enjoying evading and eluding the Q & A who only know about your daughter and wife going to vacation to Mensa “Bragg’n’-wails- eat salmon sushi- you might just yet sprout another brain cell”.
So you might and your AAB [ = All About Boasting ] can go on commenting to see what you guys are posting is that all about cursing and swearing!
[ GOU GAI BU LIAO CHI SI ]
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Andy,
true
money makes the world go round and Governments do and are cornered into doing less than desirable nasty things for money.
Howard was stupid- indeed Timor independence can be convincingly argued- but the handling of the matter was dreadful.
Always a diplomatic solution is best.Dragonwall,
you’re an idiot.
I don’t think eating all of Norways’ salmon will ever reverse that MSG damage.
And you are still fei ren self-admitted dishwasher- so how can you have any authority on economics aside from price of gloves, scrubber and soap?For the last time- stop eating the soap- it still will not clean out your dirty mouth.
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So GD Man like you are just about cursing and swearing by saying others with dirty mouth.
If you can’t stand the heat, then don’t go around boasting about your knowledge! So I think it’s about high time for you to f*ck off ass hole.
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Drag-no-balls,
you’re an idiot.
Engineer is front line all armies across the world since the Roman times, no exception including Singapore Army Ladyboys and National Service rent-boy.Your crap Chinglish has you stumped again- you are thinking of “mechanic” engineer- the trade technical specialist one who work in Maintenance, Supply and Logistics fixing mechanical problem- your Singapore Lady Army called it rank: Specialist
You are so stupid.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ dragonball
This is “Timor Leste Relations” section. If you have no input, best to zip up.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I haven’t had much praise for just about anyone, but this is the best thing a Native English commentator had gave to Indonesians.You should retort with best responses of your own and not bask in glory of PN’s nemesis.
not forgetting to include people like AAB
Chi lay huan na a kong tiong boon, chin nia giar lunk ar.
I salute you being able to see and view the political situation in general as a whole.
You should be saluting, kowtowing and saying sorry to all Indon Chinese for your pathetic responses against PN.
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Right you’re an idiot.
Engineer is the front line all armies across the world since the Roman times but not to what I think of you. You are only a GD Man also known as ABRI mama boy.
SAF has never once called their logistic as specialist. Only smart ass like you want to think it that way to work in reciprocity to favor you, No. Only dumb Krebo like you thinks that way.
You are so stupid to think that only ABRI knows how to build tank trap, fortification, bridge if not at head of column. Morons like you want to classify yourself to be like in the Engineer. No you don’t you are still a GD Man.
You should retort with best responses of your own and not bask in glory of PN’s nemesis?
Or rather than his past glories?
Chi lay huan na a kong tiong boon, chin nia giar lunk ar.
Speaking Hokian or Tiong Boon..dumb krebo ass.
You should be saluting, kowtowing and saying sorry to all Indon Chinese for your pathetic responses against PN. Meaning that you have shown your jealousy to the Chinese and sympathy you so express for this ancient negriti jester.
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If anyone wants to know what went on during this tumultuous time in history watch this movie. It debukes the Purba Negoro (and nationalist Indonesian) version of events.
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