Syech Puji, Pujiono Cahyo & Underage Lust
Oct 24th, 2008, in News, by Patung
The controversy over a politician-cleric’s marriage to an underage girl in Semarang.
43 year old Pujiono Cahyo Widayanto/Widianto, aka Syech/Syekh Puji, the head of an Islamic boarding school (Ponpes Miftahul Jannah) in Bedono, Jambu, Semarang, Central Java, in August 2008 informally married (nikah siri) Lutfiana Ulfa, 11 years and 10 months old, who had just begun studies at a local junior high school, but has now taken up wifely duties at home.
Ulfa & Pujiono Cahyo Widianto
Sheikh Puji is a very wealthy man, being the owner of PT Sinar Lendoh Terang (Silenter), a handicrafts exporter, and appeared in the news in August for distributing 1.3 billion rupiah (about $130,000) in zakat or charity to the poor. His first wife is 26 years old. In 2005 he was a candidate for the Partai Amanat Nasional (PAN) in a regency election but withdrew from the race at the last moment, and has long been involved in local politics. suaramerdeka
It’s a deal
He also intends to marry two other girls, aged 9 and 7. Of these latter two, Syech Puji says that neither has begun menstruating, so he will refrain from interfering with them, while Ulfa has already entered puberty.
Syech Puji believes his actions have a legitimate basis in Islam, considering that the prophet Muhammad married the 7 year old Aisha.
I’m not just doing what I like, it’s based in religion. It’s in accordance with the prophet’s teaching. You can marry a 7 year old if you like but you can’t have relations with her until she starts menstruating.
Clerics’ Council/Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) leader Umar Shihab condemned the marriage to Ulfa:
Men should marry adults, there are a lot of other prospective brides around. Why has he married a 12 year old? The poor girl.
His actions have been mostly condemned in other quarters, with some saying that he has broken the Marriage Law, and is liable to criminal prosecution. lampungpost detik
One supporting voice is that of politician Hilman Rosyad Syihab from the Islamist Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS), who says that marrying young girls is allowed within Islam provided the marriages are not consummated until the girl has begun menstruating. dutamasyarakat
On November 24th 2010 Syech Puji was sentenced to 4 years jail, and a 60 million rupiah fine, for marrying an underage girl. Both his wives, Lutviana Ulfa and first wife Ummi Hani, wept at the news. antara
291 Comments on “Syech Puji, Pujiono Cahyo & Underage Lust”
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Mets says:
Hi
@AAB – I think we will struggle to find a commonality in our argument, as I posted earlier I was brought up a Muslim and clearly stated I do not have to agree with a practise that is ethically and morally wrong especially in today’s day and age…..
You are using an argument that is outdated as society has moved on so let me ask you a personal question…does this mean you will find any girl of any age attractive ………or have you found yourself attracted to a girl thats is between the ages of 9 – 16yrs
@ Alf – I thought I made myself clear but if not – I dont agree with the teachings of the religion I was born into …I am agnostic……
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Adrian Vickers says:
Hey ET,
This says that something is seiously wrong with Indonesia’s political culture. What kind of dumb logic is that, executing murderers justifies Arabising Indonesian culture (or vice versa)?
I should add that I’m against the death penalty, even for mindless brainwashed idiots.
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fullmoonflower says:
Seputar Indonesia at RCTI this morning => Ulfa refused to be divorced…
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peace says:
@Ally
Peace,
why should I not agree with the marriage as you describe?
what is thinking logically? Think with reasons? or anything else? sorry just dont know for sure….
LOLhahahaha, please, be honest to yourself, what you think eventually will come true
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Achmad Sudarsono says:
Lairedion,
Old Sobat,
Whatever you wish. As the Dalai Lama said, “I will be your screensaver.”
Sobat, hmm. Responsbility. Are we our brother’s keeper ? Did I hold a gun to their heads and force them to type ? Was I funnier ?
All of these questions circulate as I strum my ukulele, think of my maternal grandfather Sutomo, AKA Tom, and your time and effort in quoting a Suzanna threat (LOL…!).
Laired, my friend, you say you don’t care less, but, you’re the top poster on IM.
Yours in Ukulelehood,
Achmad.
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Oigal says:
Very nice point. Haven’t heard about the hookers, but have heard about other jollies. Are you serious about the prostitutes ? I think it might be time to let the media dogs off the leash and go for it.
I don’t know about Indonesian Governement Officials but I can personally verify that the contract my company had with a section of Singaporean Government had a special “entertainment” allowance and there was no shortage of Muslims taking advantage of the wine, women and song. Was all above board and declared as far as we were concerned although it would have caused some red faces in Singapore. We did however have to send some minders along with them not to protect them but to protect the working girls as these insular idiots have all the social graces of feral pigs.
Closer to home, do let me know if you need to know the name of the hotel for the afternoon quickies by our local trough feeders as it is common knowledge.
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Andy says:
First AAB says-Andy, Moslem believe in Allah subhana wata’ala. He who created the universe, all creatures and humanoids like you. For a moslem, there is no such thing as ‘your’ or ‘my’ country. It is petty humans that created boundaries.
But in the same post he says-The balance was already upset the moment you people (of the Anglo-Celtic variety) washed ashore terra incognita some 200 years ago.
(you people??)AAB is the biggest dickhead to ever post on this site. Time for him to admit he is a tool and a racist and belongs in the gutter. Mate, if you hate my country and people so much never come back ok. But you will because you always come crawling back to us with your hand out. What a loser!!
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Pak Oigal,
Internet’s a great place to get that out. I think your sense of honour might stop you from doing it anonymously, but given your business and family responsibilities, I think it’d be the best way. Asymmetric warfare, Basil Liddel Hart and all that.
As I said, if they’re going to drum out fascist laws, they should be held to their own standards. They started the sh*tfight…
@ Laired, all good points, but any admission ain’t never gonna happen. You know that, sobat. 🙂 x o.
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Ally says:
Peace,
what you think eventually will come true
you must be a foreteller or I don’t know but something/body that can say/claim about the future…
but ok… I will try to imagine about what will come true…
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BTW —
Sobat Lairedion,
All the best in Spain. Enjoy those Tapas and know that my boundless jealousy can only be quenched with a Teh Poci and Kretek. ; p
Hope you have a wonderful time and don’t forget to drop in to IM now and then.
x o.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ Andy
But in the same post he says-The balance was already upset the moment you people (of the Anglo-Celtic variety) washed ashore terra incognita some 200 years ago.
You need simple explanation. Here it is: Allah created human like me and primate like you. Human share the earth peacefully. Primate kills and take advantage if given a chance.
(you people??)AAB is the biggest dickhead to ever post on this site. Time for him to admit he is a tool and a racist and belongs in the gutter. Mate, if you hate my country and people so much never come back ok. But you will because you always come crawling back to us with your hand out. What a loser!!
Chill out, mate. I have big plan for you. I have said you are the lesser evil of the 3 stooges, and I believe you can be rehabitated and groomed to carry Indonesian flag for our next olympic. Being jilted ain’t no good reason to hate us. Sometime Aussie pride gets the better of you, and because of this you lose her.
I wil be flying back to Ostraya sooner than expected. Time to invest in properties when the Oz dollar hits rock bottom. This time to Darwin to check out on an orchard in Berry Springs. Next time you bite into a NT mango, it could possibly be from my orchard.
Let’s focus on this topic. Do you think it is right to deflower a little girl, then dump her?
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Has he handed her back to her parents yet?
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ET…
A little more clarification on the link between the porn bill and the executions of the murderous trio know as the Bali Bombers.
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Peter says:
Purba Negoro:
You conveniently forget 32 years of total success as opposed to 10 years of disaster, terrorism, and poverty.
Perhaps MY nations’ starving and jobless will wait patiently for your greying Merlot Marxist Miracle and armchair leftist middle-page spread of democracy?
Perhaps you and the West wil fully fund, no strings attached the eductaion, and subsidisation of my nations’ people so they may all- 220 million of them- become enlightend Jeffersonian citizens?OR perhaps you assume- as most bleating whites do- the colour of your skin and your depraved society is somehow make your the Grand Moral Arbiters- in the face of global highest teen pregnancy rates, suicide rates, violent crimes against elderly, violent gun crimes, homicides?
Proof again the Anglosphere is utterly ignorant, specious and verbosely inane.
Go back to your private time with Amnesty International and your famous white habit of moral onanism.We Indonesians will never listen to the nonsensical mincing hysterics of the West- particularly our self-made number one enemy- Australia.
Ya Allah ini buat aku tertawa… It’s not hard to see how Indo can be so politically unstable with hotheads like you running around.
Firstly, you can leave all your childish racial hate-mongering somewhere else. It makes us all sick. You’re not talking to a white person, and even if you were, what you said was largely.. nonsense. That post sounded like it came from an FPI thug with a bachelor’s degree. Your quickness to blanket-categorize people shows a lack of understanding… Disturbingly similar to the thought patterns of people like Sayyid Qutb, actually. I’m sorry we can’t disagree without you falsely coloring me with your occidentalist fantasies. If all politicians acted so foolishly, a dictator would surely be the only answer. So perhaps your behavior has a bizarre logic after all 🙂
* Why does the internet bring this out in people? *
So, as to your insinuation that a Pak Harto-style government would be good for Indonesia.. You claim that I’m blissfully ignorant of the “32 years of total success” before the last 10. Quite to the contrary. The last ten years, in fact, were the verdict on the previous 32. The financial crisis happened because of Pak Harto’s corrupt economic agenda – not in spite of it. A similar, less intense process is happening now in the US. Or perhaps you blame the West for your financial crisis, as well.
I’m not looking down on anyone, least of all Indonesians. Sorry if you’ve encountered people who do this, but you shouldn’t assume the worst unless you want it to manifest. Peace and good luck.
Anyway, back to the topic of the post..
This guy is sad, but the saddest thing of all is that there are so many people who won’t criticize him for what he is. If the tradition of ijtihad is discontinued, we get stuck with these backwards elements in Islam – many of which were actually progressive in their own time. Such is life.
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AAB-I wil be flying back to Ostraya sooner than expected. Time to invest in properties when the Oz dollar hits rock bottom. This time to Darwin to check out on an orchard in Berry Springs. Next time you bite into a NT mango, it could possibly be from my orchard.
Don’t like mangoes actually. Again, if you don’t love us leave us ok. I voted with my feet in regards to your country and left for good never to return except maybe for a holiday. You are proving to be nothing but a truly racist hypocrite. Maybe I should go back to Indonesia and buy an orchard over there. OOOHH silly me I almost forgot. I’m not allowed because your precious government can’t accept foreigners owning land in their own name. Seems my country to allow you to have this orchard has proven itself to be non racist as compared to yours. Right? Oh and you haven’t answered my question. Are you a racist? Again for your dumb brain, just say yes or no. Can’t be too hard can it?
And bck on the topic, anyone with any morals and decency can see that muslim animal (and I apologise to all the animals out there) should not have deflowered an underage girl in the first place. But you can’t see that becuase you are sub human and lacking any decency yourself. We are all wasting our time on assholes like you.
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*FMF (fullmoonflower) was drinking a cup of delicious coffee Ulee Kareeng from Aceh, while saw AAB & Andy were fighting and playing “jitak-jitakan” in the backyard….
“aah (sigh), better I read a koran sore, maybe there is a new report of this case” said FMF…..
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ET says:
Rob
A little more clarification on the link between the porn bill and the executions of the murderous trio know as the Bali Bombers.
There is growing concern among educated Balinese that the 2 cases have become interconnected. Look at the timing of the procedures. Too close and too long stretched out for not raising suspicions.
Peter
Firstly, you can leave all your childish racial hate-mongering somewhere else. It makes us all sick. You’re not talking to a white person, and even if you were, what you said was largely.. nonsense. That post sounded like it came from an FPI thug with a bachelor’s degree.
Leave PN alone. He is the living proof of what you get when well-to-do Muslims send their children to the Jesuits in the hope they get a better education. Brilliant intellects with a perverted self-image because they develop split personalities, verbosely overcompensating their inferior self- and group image with ultra-nationalistic tribal crap.
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HeavenlySword says:
lol those who think this warthog did the right thing.. should immediately send her daughter of 12 yo or less as a marriage proposal.. then send us a video on youtube to see how happy you are.
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Janma says:
Heavenly sword….. the point is that the people who think the ‘warthog’ did the right thing are the very people who WOULD send their daughters to be married to men like him. And their are loads and loads of them…. poor uneducated muslims who think that would be their ‘lucky break.’
All I’d like to say is good luck, fine and dandy…. do it no problem! Sell your daughters to ‘good (rich) muslims’ but at least follow the laws of this country and do it when they are of age, not before.
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follow the laws of this country and do it when they are of age, not before.
the laws are outdated, need to be changed …
Lol
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Orang Baik says:
Well we certainly have a lot of name calling here…
Because it has been asked to others, I will answer, I’m not muslim nor am I christian, jew, hindu or other, my religion is between me and god, I’m the one who in the end will answer to him.
I was born in Australia, but have lived in many years in Indonesia, North America, UK and Malaysia.
My thoughts are:
50yo marrys a 12yo, sick and twisted in any culture or religion, no excuse, lets protect the innocent.
Pornography and prostituion, seen both in every country I have lived or worked, regardless of culture or religion.
Racisim, well bule is a racist term of sorts. Hey the most powerful western nation in the world has just elected Obama, now the most powerful man on earth!!!!!!! Now where is the racism in that? I hope Obama has fond memories of his time in Indonesia, it can only help both nations.
Indonesia or Australia, they both have their problems but I do have an Indonesian staying at my house and an Indonesian living in my street who are both trying to get PR here as they love living in this country. Yes, it is easier for an Indonesian to live, work or study here than for me to do the same there. Did i mention that of these two Indonesians, one is christian and one is muslim and both can have 100% ownership of business and house/land here.
One the Australian drought, environment and global warming. Droughts come and go and we have never run out of water, global warming; of all the countries on earth, Australia contributes >2% of carbons and we are reducing them!!!! Can anyone tell me the percentage of carbons from Indonesia, you do have Sumatran fires, Jakarta pollution???
Obesity, we might be fat but we are fit and are the 4th longest lived people on earth!! I think Indonesia is number 40.
Other environmental issues, well we had the Tasmanian tiger, Indonesia had the Balinese and Javanese tiger, lets learn from our past mistakes and all help to save the Sumatran one!!!
Bali bombers, well the crime was in Indonesia and the punishment is in Indonesia, I expect the executioners and indeed the Indonesian attorney general who ordered the punisment to proceed are all muslim as well.
Australians with mullet haircuts, well you have never seen a Kuta beach boys in Bali!!!!!
Sukarno, Howard, Bush, Blair and Suharto, all gone now, lets move on and live for the future.
Remember, East Timor was a UN gig, not an Australian one and Australian’s mass murdering Indonesians, Thai’s, Vietnamese and Jews???? Where and when and how many???????
Remember, be kind as we all share the same planet and we do live next door to each other!!!!!!!
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There have been a number of reports saying the girl is just refusing to leave the “Sheikh”, says she wants to stay married to him, doesn’t want to go back to her parents.
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yes, Patung…
that’s what I heard few days ago…even she is a 12 years old girl, but she is married…
and stay married to Puji is her own choice…what can we do now?
talking for nothing… 😆
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Carla says:
@ Patung, the possibilities are endless in terms of what makes her want to stay with him. Pressure from parents or even religion, humiliation from the surrounding (and all over the country, in fact), we shall not forget either that she was raised in a thick-cultured central Javanese village where girls seem to have only one future choice: to marry someone respectable and preferably rich, to me it was obvious that he took her virginity already and what now for her? After the wide news coverage all over the world, will her friends stick to being friends with her? Will her family still support her (mentally at least) if she cancels the marriage? Will she even dare to go out and face people with their cynical remarks and discriminative faces? Answer: unlikely.
And one more, after all this fuss with the media goes away in the next several months, the marriage is canceled, and the people start forgetting what has happened, what does it make her? We could think so many thing she can do in her life, but she might not! And she won’t forget it.
I don’t quite like those thoughts I just said out loud. But in a way, I can understand her.
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Rizal says:
Andy,
Just give us your real name, and I can ask a friend of mine to trace whatever you did here while you were in Indonesia.
I am sure nothing more than sex hunting, drugs, and banging on some ugly looking whores.
Indonesians might have a lot of rotten apples but those people don’t have proper education, those who have, don’t curse other nations, religions and race in front of many educated people like you in this forum. -
Carla I agree with you…. I can totally understand why she would refuse now to be divorced. I expected as much…. but sadly that is not the point… the law is the law and what he and her parents have done is illegal. The law should be observed no matter what. The little girls future may be ruined, it may not be, but that shouldn’t play a part in the illegality of the act… If nothing is done, this will keep happening with the simple excuse of ‘well she wanted it too…”
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rizal-Andy,
Just give us your real name, and I can ask a friend of mine to trace whatever you did here while you were in Indonesia.
I am sure nothing more than sex hunting, drugs, and banging on some ugly looking whores.Andy is my real name, don’t need to give you my last name cos it is none of your business. I wouldn’t trust you as far as I could throw you. How about you? Prepared to give us yours? Probably not, you use the name of a Filipino patriot rather than an Indonesian coward or war criminal who rapes and tortures Chinese or Timorese. You are way off the mark of what you think anyway so your friend would have nothing except trumped up bullsiht or gossip which as we know Indonesians love anyway.
Interesting theory on education levels. The Indonesians on this forum I could list numerous faults but none appear to be uneducated. Yes AAB take a bow mate. But don’t tell me they don’t slander, bully, call names and use racially explicit language.
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I agree with Janma. the Law is still the Law. It has to be upheld no matter how.
Ulfa (the little wife) would certainly refuse to return to poverty and the uncertain future ahead if she leaves the Pedophile. She doesn’t want to leave all the privileges she get as a rich man’s wife. Similar case also happen to countless of poor women who are married to rich man and wont leave their husband because they don’t want to be poor again.
But, think of this, Ulfa must have been deflowered by Pujiono. In her society, it’s very hard for her to get another husband of a good social welfare being not a virgin.
Pujiono married her out of lust, then it would be no problem for him to just let her go since he already got what he wanted in the first place. The evil has got nothing to lose!
Enforcing the law on Pujiono puts Ulfa in no good position at all. It will only set up precedent so that similar thing wont happen again. Avoid before it’s too late like in Ulfa’s case. And we cannot do anything other than feeling sorry for her 🙁
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OMG, a young girl married an old guy?!??. He must be a pedofil guy. I cant imagine how come a young innocent girl like her could marry him. I do believe that she was forced by her parents to marry him
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Peace,
why should I not agree with the marriage as you describe?
what is thinking logically? Think with reasons? or anything else? sorry just dont know for sure….
LOL