Maid Abuse
Aug 16th, 2008, in News, by PatungDiscussion on abuse of Indonesian maids in Singapore and Malaysia, and elsewhere.
Comments split off from Dedi Mulyadi thread.
71 Comments on “Maid Abuse”
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Janma says:
PN….. are you so sure that Pribumi never abuse their maids!? You are a bigot sir….. I had a maid that had a pribumi boss before me and the same sorts of things happened to her as what you describe above…..
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Shloka says:
Actually, maid abuse is pretty universal just like say pedophilia. I don’t think there are any statistics to show that its more common among the Chinese. I recommend anyone who visits this thread to read through The Saudi Treatment-which deals with a similar maid abuse situation. The comments are hilarious- Aluang Anak Bayang is at his best!!!
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Sylvester says:
Shame on you PN!
Indonesia does not need such racist and sick people like you. Such a generalisation thought clearly shows the level of your intelligent.
I tell you what. My family work at the company sending TKW to Hong Kong and Taiwan. Most of them earn a lot of money and treated well. But when they return to their kampong, their pribumi family just take the money! -
tomaculum says:
Fact is that maid abuse happens everywhere, as well as in Singapore, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and also in Indonesia.
And fact is that the actor can be Chinese as well as Indian, Malay “pribumi”, Indonesian “pribumi” and other races.
Important is that such things have to be persecuted forceful, never mind whether the culprit is yellow, brown, dark skinned or white.
I myself have watched, as I lived in Indonesia, how a “pribumi” boss treated her maid as a subhuman being. For me it is already an abuse.
They have critisized us, me and my white wife, that our maid had to eat with us together, in our house and if we were out for makan-makan. And she ate the same meal.Btw also in Indonesia is human trafficking familiar:
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Purba Negoro says:
Toma-
yes- unfortunately. Just like Singapore- shamefully there exists sex slavery, human trafficking by Chinese “snakeheads” using Indonesian Chinese intermediaries, refugee asylum seeking abusers.The problem is such that Australia has invested I belive about 200 million AUD to assist this major problem.
Australia is of course a common destination for illegal immigrants, refugee fraudsters and asylum liars.Indonesia is indeed trying hard- but it is such an enormous problem.
One legal Issue is that Indonesia is not signatory to some (I am not exactly sure) UN Agreements on Asylum and Refugee.
If I am not mistaken- this issue was problematic for Indonesia because of the ethnic Chinese and South Viet collaborators fleeing Vietnam’s Communists- importing 1 million unknowns is a recipe for disaster for any nation.We had to house them in former Dutch prison camp for Republicans and Political Prisoners- which were most horrible even when under the Dutch.
Indonesia was unfairly much criticised- but what could we do- divert money from the Rakyat? Jakarta would be ashes. We lack the capital of the West and the West procrastinated settling them too.Another problem for maids is they obtain fake ID (KTP) and are impossible to track (usually problem is because it is more expedient to get fake ID then obtain passport).
It is understood several Regencies around Klaten, Purbolinggo (he-he thunder dicky) Tangerang-Bekasi etc are notorious for this. Sometimes even Expat (wrongly) get fake ID, then they loose everything and get deported.
One issue is many maids lack even birth certificate- how then to get ID?So many complex, compounded problems. So many greedy immoral people. No easy solutions.
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“yes- unfortunately. Just like Singapore- shamefully there exists sex slavery, human trafficking by Chinese “snakeheads” using Indonesian Chinese intermediaries, refugee asylum seeking abusers.”
Purba, trying to be neutral I believe that there are some “pribumi” snakeheads too beside officials involved in these crime. -
Toma
unfortunately the evidence does not support your belief.
Illegal immigration to the West and the trafficking of humans into the west is essentially exclusively Chinese.You may be thinking of Africans or Indians.
You will note Indonesians have a very low incidence of illegal immigration especially compared to Mexicans, South Americans such as Guatemalans, etc., Africans, Chinese and Indians.
For some reason these selfish people believe they have a birthright to steal someone else’s job and land- simply as their own home nation is sh*tty.
Too bad- suck it up as the Americans say.
The West had civil war, famine, plagues, oppression etc- and they didn’t run like rats of a sinking ship.Sylvester-
Incorrect.
“Kampong” gives you away as Malay or Singaporean or other. No Indonesian would use this word.Furthermore the Human Rights Int evidence does not substantiate your outlandish and dishonest claims.
One more:
Selamat Hari Merdeka!
Inget Perjuangan dan Pahlawan Pribumi yg Berani sekali.Jayalah Negriku, Jayalah Bangsaku
Dirgahayu Republik Indonesia Ke-63 Merdeka! -
You are certainly a sick pribumi, PN
Do you any trauma during your childhood with Chinese?
Don’t you know that some Chinese and Japanese had contributed to the independence of Indonesia?
Also, how can we know that your evidence is not fabricated? You only use the data from countries like Malaysia & Singapore. How about in Indonesia? Do maids in Indo are treated well by their pribumi bosses?
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“Inget Perjuangan dan Pahlawan Pribumi yg Berani sekali.”
And what about the so called non-pribumi also fighting for Indonesian independence? There were also many of them.Sylvester,
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Enigmatic says:
Purba,
You said that their evidence does not support their claims.
Yet I haven’t seen YOUR own Evidence to back up your claim that ‘Illegal immigration to the West and the trafficking of humans into the west is essentially exclusively Chinese’
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Maids get abused by Indonesian pribumi too. I know an Indonesian Ambassador whose wife abuses their maids. But the maids are very uneducated and are threatened all the time that they fear of reporting this to the local police. Both the ambassador and wife are 100% indonesian, mean to their maids but will kiss the feet of white people.
There are other examples I have seen throughout my life, people I knew, my neighbors etc, all are 100% Indonesian and they abuse their maids too. It’s just how some people are, no matter what race or nationality they are.
It’s sad to see maids abused in a foreign country, but to me personally it is sadder when it happens in our own backyard. It just proves how (some) Indonesians do not respect our own fellow indonesians.
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PN,
Before pointing fingers at the Chinese for Maid abuse, you may want to ask your own employers on what’s happening. This is from the exact link you posted just above.
Interview between VATSIKOPOULOS adn Indonesian psychology student, Mohammed Iqbal has been counselling the maids and he sees a different side. He’s also been interviewing them for his Ph D thesis. It’s on the abuse of these women.
MOHAMMAD IQBAL: When they haven’t been out of their houses for years or spoken to anyone apart from their employers who might be from a different ethnic group like Chinese or Indian, they have trouble speaking Indonesian again. They’ve lost their Indonesian personality, and all meaning in their life.
VATSIKOPOULOS: It’s Sunday morning and no wonder the Filipino maids are happy. Unlike their Indonesian sisters, it’s their day off. They also earn much more. Malaysia’s Home Affairs Minister says that’s justifiable.
RADZI SHEIKH AHMAD: You see with the Philippines, they have already stated in their law to say that if you take our maids, this the minimum wage. With Indonesia, no.
VATSIKOPOULOS: So really the onus is on the Indonesians to do this?
RADZI SHEIKH AHMAD: Yes. They’ve asked, but we’ve said no, because you see, we’ve got 320 thousand Indonesian maids in our country – big, big number and if we say, you know, that there is a fixed wage for them our employers – Malaysians – will say no, no, no. Some say, I can’t afford to pay this.
VATSIKOPOULOS: The Bonat case forced Malaysia and Indonesia to negotiate better conditions for the maids. Bluntly though, Indonesian women won’t get the same rights as Filipinos.
Why shouldn’t the Indonesians be able to get the same for their workers?
PRINCE RUSHDIHARDJO: Because the quality of our maids and the Filipino maids is different. The Filipino they speak English. They can watch the children… and receive the telephone… everything to be done by the maid. But not our maids. They’re only cooking and cleaning, so they don’t have any bargaining position.
VATSIKOPOULOS: As for earning a day off.
RADZI SHEIKH AHMAD: No, I do not think that maids should be given a day off.
VATSIKOPOULOS: You don’t?
RADZI SHEIKH AHMAD: Yeah I don’t, I don’t.
VATSIKOPOULOS: Why not?
RADZI SHEIKH AHMAD: Because it is very difficult. You see, you work as a maid in the house. You know, you’re working in the house. Most of the maids that work, they are part of the family. That’s how Malaysians accept maids here you see? You know, we go shopping together with the maid. You go to the shopping centres now and you see a lot of them bringing their maids along going shopping and that…. that’s their day off. Otherwise you would tell the maids you can take a day off…. you know, as far as Indonesian maids are concerned that’s very very difficult.
VATSIKOPOULOS: Why?
RADZI SHEIKH AHMAD: Because there are so many of them. There are three hundred and twenty thousand of them here. There’s so many of them you know and then can you imagine them going out and it would create a lot of problems.
Are the Chinese the only ones responsible?
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DXP says:
Jayalah Negriku, Jayalah Bangsaku
Dirgahayu Republik Indonesia Ke-63 Merdeka!no 1 in corruption in the world
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Mbak Shloka,
… read through The Saudi Treatment-which deals with a similar maid abuse situation. The comments are hilarious- Aluang Anak Bayang is at his best!!!
Was that meant to insult? I can smell oil palm odour from your armpit.
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Toma and Sylvester:
Typical Singa-whore Historical Revisionaism:
You will try everything to revise and Inconvenient Historical Truth.
Here’s an unpleasant fact Lee Kwan Yew was a British compradore.
Singapore was head of anti-Japanese and anti-pribumi Revolution called “Opuh-lashun ploffit: “Mus not lose profit lah”
actually called EE Hoe Hean club for CHiense millionaires who’d earnt their money from the blood. sweat and stolen land of of the PRibumi to do everythign and anything to retain “Plised Platashun Lor”Call me a racist or a bigot- I don”t care- it’s the majorit’s opinion
The Overwhelming majority of pribumi want you out, yesterday.
And we want our stolen loot back from Singapore slush funds and worse-than-Swiss DBS and Temasek accounts NOW.
Fact: There are NO Cina national Heroes- NOT ONE.Any Chinese graves in Kali Bata national Heroes Cemetery?
None.All they did was save their necks and line their pockets- or run to Singapore- under threat of death for raising their basic staples prices if they dared resort to their favourotite tactic of price gouging and hoarding.
Devaluation of the Rupiah in the early period was solely due to Chinese black-marketeers.Typical and well documented
A CHinese Kartini? No
A Chinese Sudirman? no
A Chinese Nasution? No
A Chines Suharto- a hero of Hotel Oranje? NOGo Lead a Histolly Book Lah, hah you no watch Channor News Asia
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“Any Chinese graves in Kali Bata national Heroes Cemetery?”
So you deny that there are many Chinese pejuang? Or don’t you know it? Must they be buried in Kali Bata? I think it is too simple to conclude, that there is no Chinese hero, just because no one of them are buried in Kali Bata. I expect more from you.
It seems that your education is very selective, Purba. Maybe because a Chinese hero wouldn’t fit to your view of the world that all Chinese are pigs.I know a Chinese man worked for Tentara Rakyat and did a spionage in a little town occupied by Japanese. I’m sure you know how dangerous it was. He did it although two of his brothers was killed by Tentara Rakyat with bambu runcing because of a misunderstanding.
On the basis of his informations the Tentara Rakyat could take over the town, the man fought also active with Tentara rakyat.
He got an order and pension as “Veteran”, he donated this pension to a”pribumi” veteran friend of him his live he has saved. After years of hard work he became wealthy, he supported some of his pribumi veteran friends.
As he was dying he didn’t want to be buried in a makam pahlawan, because he has seen himself not as a hero, but as a man who has done something for the country he lived.
Your statement above, Purba, besmirch the memory of such people.I don’t need to call you a racist, Purba. You are worst than that.
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Purba Negoro Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Toma and Sylvester:Typical Singa-whore Historical Revisionaism:
You will try everything to revise and Inconvenient Historical Truth.
Here’s an unpleasant fact Lee Kwan Yew was a British compradore.
Singapore was head of anti-Japanese and anti-pribumi Revolution called “Opuh-lashun ploffit: “Mus not lose profit lah”
actually called EE Hoe Hean club for CHiense millionaires who’d earnt their money from the blood. sweat and stolen land of of the PRibumi to do everythign and anything to retain “Plised Platashun Lor”Call me a racist or a bigot- I don”t care- it’s the majorit’s opinion
The Overwhelming majority of pribumi want you out, yesterday.
And we want our stolen loot back from Singapore slush funds and worse-than-Swiss DBS and Temasek accounts NOW.
Fact: There are NO Cina national Heroes- NOT ONE.Any Chinese graves in Kali Bata national Heroes Cemetery?
None.All they did was save their necks and line their pockets- or run to Singapore- under threat of death for raising their basic staples prices if they dared resort to their favourotite tactic of price gouging and hoarding.
Devaluation of the Rupiah in the early period was solely due to Chinese black-marketeers.Typical and well documented
A CHinese Kartini? No
A Chinese Sudirman? no
A Chinese Nasution? No
A Chines Suharto- a hero of Hotel Oranje? NOGo Lead a Histolly Book Lah, hah you no watch Channor News Asia
Your attempts at Singlish are horrendous. No joke la.
Really leh. You think you try Singlish very funny is it? Very stylo-milo ah? What Lead Histolly Book, make your England veh powderful meh?
And here’s something if you think that ‘Devaluation of the Rupiah in the early period was solely due to Chinese black-marketeers.’
It’s not them. Thank George Soros. You wanted a Jew to bash for so long, you have him. He bashed Indonesia together with Malaysia and everyone else during Asian Financial Crisis. If not for the PRC Hong Kong would have gone down too. That’s why he’s now a prominent funder of free-tibet movements.
The Chinese merely had to save their own asses when the racial riots occured. At times PN, I wonder if you had taken part in them too, given your boasted military credentials and the rumors of the Army organising this.
And of course as a result of the riots you allowed the Chinese to store their money at Singapore and of course they get the ‘ploh-fits’. I mean given the discriminatory treatment they get can you expect them to stay there? At the risk of their lives? Now you want their money back?
I reply you in Singlish. YOU TAN KU KU AH. Wait long long.
Personally I’m looking at the situation there. I still love Indonesia and I feel that the education I’m getting in Singapore will allow me to help the country in the future. I was Born there. Bred there. Studied here.
And on an ending note PLEASE don’t try typing in Singlish hoh. You can neh beat me one.
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Many Chinese fought for Indonesian independence and also appointed as official during Sukarno era. Chinese also have many contribution to Indonesian development.
The evidence:
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daftar_Tokoh_Indonesia_Keturunan_TionghoaThe actual numbers could be higher because of the discrimination during Suharto’s.
Too bad that an asshole Indon like PN is “tidak tahu diri dan tidak punya malu” -
Many Chinese fought for Indonesian independence and also appointed as official during Sukarno era. Chinese also have many contribution to Indonesian development.
The evidence:
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daftar_Tokoh_Indonesia_Keturunan_TionghoaThe actual numbers could be higher because of the discrimination during Suharto’s.
Too bad that an someone like PN is “tidak tahu diri dan tidak punya malu” -
Aluang,
On the contrary, it was a compliment from one of your greatest fans. 🙂
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Chee Bye @ PN and toma and Enig. Shloka too. 🙂
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Chee bye to you too, Aluang. 🙂
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I am sorry, Patung, it has nothing to do with “Maid abuse”, but I have to adress the story to Purba Negoro. Thanks for your patience.
Jawa Pos:
“ [ Senin, 18 Agustus 2008 ]
Perjuangan Hidup Mantan Pejuang Kemerdekaan 1945
Kayuh Becak dan Jualan Kopi demi Sesuap NasiIndonesia sekarang sudah merdeka. Untuk meraihnya, banyak pahlawan yang tidak hanya berkorban tenaga tetapi juga nyawa. Kini para pahlawan itu bukan lagi berjuang untuk negara. Melainkan berjuang untuk keluarga supaya tetap bertahan hidup.
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Sosok-sosok renta saat peringatan kemerdekaan RI ke-63 itu masih bersemangat. Sikap penghormatan mereka justru lebih baik daripada yang masih muda. Salah satunya Sinto. Kakek berusia 79 tahun ini adalah veteran pejuang kemerdekaan. Berasal dari Kecamatan Caruban, Madiun, Sinto muda turut berperang melawan Belanda hingga Surabaya.
Tepatnya pada 10 November 1945 di Jembatan Merah. Alur perang saat itu masih terekam jelas dalam ingatan kakek satu cucu ini. Mulai dari penyobekan bendera Belanda di Hotel Yamato hingga tewasnya Jenderal Mallaby di tangan arek-arek pejuang.
“Saya heran, waktu itu kita hanya bawa bambu runcing tapi bisa menang melawan Belanda yang memakai senapan,” ujar suami Suparmi ini dalam Bahasa Jawa. Dia menduga pilihan “merdeka atau mati” yang dipekikkan Bung Tomo menjadikan semangat para pejuang berkobar.
Setelah itu, Sinto bergerilya hingga Nganjuk. Mencoba mengusir Belanda yang terus melancarkan agresi militer. Meskipun harus merasakan pecahan mortir, Sinto bersyukur masih hidup hingga kini.
Akibat perpecahan Laskar Hizbullah, Sinto memutuskan pensiun pada 1950. Saat ini, untuk menyambung hidup, dia menjadi penarik becak. Pekerjaan itu dilakoninya hingga kini.
“Saya masih kuat lo narik (becak, Red) sampai Rejoso,” ujarnya sambil tersenyum, memperlihatkan giginya yang tinggal tiga buah. Pagi berangkat dari rumahnya di Dusun Mlaten Desa Gandu, Bagor, Sinto lantas mangkal di depan Masjid Agung Nganjuk hingga pukul 13.00.
“Biasanya dapat Rp 7 ribu, tapi terkadang tidak dapat (uang),” lanjut veteran yang tiap bulannya mendapat pensiunan sebesar Rp 746 ribu ini.
Hampir 50 tahun menarik becak, Sinto belum berniat pensiun.
Lain lagi dengan Madinah, veteran perintis kemerdekaan asal Desa Wates Kecamatan Tanjunganom. Kakek yang hanya tinggal berdua dengan sang istri ini membuka usaha warung kopi. “Kalau nggak gitu tidak cukup buat makan, Mas,” ujar kakek yang bicaranya terdengar kurang jelas ini.
Setiap malam, ditemani istrinya, Madinah melayani pengunjung. Kegiatan ini sudah dilakoni puluhan tahun. Hanya saja, karena akhir-akhir ini kondisi kesehatannya kurang fit, dia memutuskan untuk berhenti jualan. “Sementara. Nanti kalau sudah baikan jualan lagi,” ujar pria kelahiran 1924 ini.
Kakek yang kedua matanya buta akibat katarak ini dulu merupakan anak buah Supriyadi di Peta (Pembela Tanah Air). Dia juga mengungkapkan kegelisahannya terkait banyaknya pemberitaan tentang munculnya Supriyadi. “Kulo nggih bingung. Mosok Pak Supriyadi taksih gesang? (Saya juga bingung. Masak Pak Supriyadi masih hidup?),” tanyanya. Meskipun hanya mengingat sekilas, Madinah mengatakan bahwa Supriyadi merupakan komandan yang tegas dan pintar. (dea)”
Purba, if you are in the army and if you are a real patriot, try to help such people so that they achieve their merit, or at least some more money to get a better life. I think they would prefer this than to be buried in TMP Kali Bata.
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@ toma
Thanks for the link. It will come handy for me. 🙂
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You’re welcome, Aluang. I hope you meant: “Cheerio bye, bye”, did you? (Off course I meant it, too 🙂 ).
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Toma, Enigmatic, Syklvester,
so much talking cock meh
But again lah- you miss the point lor.
I like Singerlish- so much easy errr one than Eng-er lish ah.Amusing and cunning bringing up Western darling Pramudya Tur. But only Western academics masturbate over him, not us.
He is to a true genius like Cairil Anwar a Dr Suess to Tolstoy. Like Dr Suess Pram is fun and easy on the brain- that’s why whitey loves him. Anwar and othes are too deep.Prams’ pro-Chinese gimmickry post prison-release made him even more their wipe-clean centre-page spread as it neatly suits their darling liberal cosmopolitanism.
How can Indonesia only have major problems with Chinese, is it?
Not white expat, Arab, Idnian Japanese or Korean. How can lor?Simple: Chinese actions and endemic Chinese racial and cultural chauvinism- not appearance.
All afflictions of the insecure aspirant materialist petty bourgoisie.Why am I- an apparently vehemently racist semi-skin-head Javanese heading to Singapore next week to drum up some business?
Because these Chinese are informed, decent, honest people and freely acknowledge the many problems their racist-bigoted counterparts and treat us Indonesians with the same respect-courtesy we show them.
Who knows what they do behind our backs- but to our faces they are pleasant and honest businessmen.
White to the black of Chinese in Indonesia
Ignoring the Colonial slavery, forced labour, confisctaed lands, etc
Chinese are culturally ultra-racists.
Best surmised in the Chinese idiom your often repeated idiom: “One white covers a hundred blemish”To a Chinese, brown sin= peasant/labourer/low class/low intelligence/low ability = slave
because culturally- Chinese are fixated on the vulgar superficial.Hence in Paragon- all the Singapore girls strut about eyesn busily scouring the man with the most material accouterments- like a magpie to a shiny object.
Even Singaporean men lament this infamous Singaporean- but pan-Chinese petty superficiality.
Summarily- Chinese are hated in Indonesia because of their actions.
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Pak Achmad,
I love Singaporean chee bye- very juicy.
Unfortunately you’re not allowed to eat it in public, because of the durian smell.Shame- it’s best served without the fuzz.
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Apparently, a young girl called Tammy at Nanyang was a famous purveyor of Chee bye fruit- can anyone confirm this one?
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Let me tell you about real me- not Internet forum persona:
I have one maid, Sri. Her very sad story made my wife and I interested in KopBUMI’s cause. Because of her abuse by Chinese empoyer my wife and I sponsored to press charges.
Chinese employer are now in jail- we have told their Pribumi cell mates what they were found guilty of- so sentence will be very unpleasant.
Now we are suing on behalf od Sri to completely bankrupt them. They must pay for slavery.
Sri was allowed only one 125 gram cup of rice per day, had to buy noodles rom her employer, extra food deducted from slaary, locked indoors, routinely beaten by Chinese woman with electrical cord, hair pulled out of her scalp- she is part bald now, burnt with scalding water as punishment on arms, face breasts, was raped by the employer’s husband and then one day escape and run away to pribumi neighbours’ house.
Police investigate and lay charge- but first cannot press charges as not enough evidence and Chinese buy good lawyer (also chinese).
Patriotic Indonesians actually DO rather than talk- I am proudly helping protect the Pribumi MAJORITY from Chinese slavery.
I am proudly one of the principal sponsors of KopBUMI the Advocacy Koperation for Indonesian Migrant Workers. I frequently liase with SUHAKAM- Malay Human Rights group.
Directorate Ministry of Women Empowerment (MenGGEP)- also good friend of my wife.
Pak Kalla is very passionate about this work too.
Bu Megawati also- she was first to sign TIP legislation in 2002.
So, do not dare lecture me or other patriotic Pribumi about “bigotry” or “ivory tower”
If you truly care so much about Indonesia- put your money where your mouth is: as your talk is very cheap.
Send your money to end abuse of Indonesian maid by Chinese:
email: kopbumi@link.net.id
http://www.stoptrafiking.or.id/
http://www.humantrafficking.org/organizations/126
Some readings:
Typical Chinese abuse of Indonesian maids in Malaysia:
http://www.dailynews.lk/2004/06/04/fea06.html
Indonesian Ambassador to Malaysia on Chinese abuse of maids:
RUSHDIHARDJO: If sexual harassment, it must be done by Indian ethnics. And for torture, slapping and so on, it’s by Chinese employer – while payment problems are from Malays.
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2006/s1732496.htm
If you truly care- put your money where your flapping mouth is.