Dedi Mulyadi
Aug 15th, 2008, in News, by Patung
The MUI attempts to chase the regent of Purwakarta out of town, for a musical analogy.
On 7th August the regent of Purwakarta district in West Java, Dedi Mulyadi, gave a speech in which he compared the Quran to a musical instrument, the flute. Dedi was also supposed to have said that he believes the Quran should be interpreted allegorically or metaphorically, not literally.
In response the Purwakarta branch of the Clerics’ Council, Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), sprang into action, holding an urgent meeting at which many leading religious figures attended. MUI Purwakarta boss Abdullah AR Joban, later accused Dedi of blasphemy against Islam.
This a serious matter. If it’s allowed to stand we’re worried the Muslim community will become upset/confused. If the Regent doesn’t apologise we will report him to the police.
Apart from backtracking, Abdullah recommended that Dedi should reaffirm his faith in Islam, by reciting the confession of faith, the syahadat.
Dedi Mulyadi, possibly talking about flutes.
Dedi Mulyadi, who is rather young, being born in Subang in 1971, and represents Golkar, however says that he doesn’t need to restate the syahadat, because he says it every day anyway.
On the issue of his speech and interpretation of the Quran: antara
I apologise to Muslims in Purwakarta. I don’t mean to teach others about this, it’s just what I believe. I don’t want to argue about it.
A day later however Abdullah AR Joban of MUI stepped up the pressure, threatening to hold a mass rally unless the Regent issued a “formal” apology via national media channels, to all Muslims in Indonesia, not just in Purwakarta.
Yes he already apologised but not formally.
Unless such a national, formal, apology were made within 24 hours the MUI would mobilise the masses to chase Dedi out of Purwakarta, Abdullah is reported to have said. antara
34 Comments on “Dedi Mulyadi”
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diego says:
Indonesia a strong and forward-thinking nation. Japan, South Korea, China, watch out!
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I find nothing terribly wrong or offensive (to civilized people anyway) in the regent’s philosophy…
MUI’s becoming annoyingly nitpicky these days. I wish they would exercise their intellectual hegemony far less often.
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tomaculum says:
“Unless such a national, formal, apology were made within 24 hours the MUI would mobilise the masses to chase Dedi out of Purwakarta, Abdullah is reported to have said.”
Like I were displaced into the wild west. Maybe he (Dedi Mulyadi) will be tarred and feathered before thrown out with a kick in the ass? 🙂
And what does the gov. do? Shows the white feather?
As far as I know there is the possibility of a referendum in a democracy? Do these earthen laws in Indonesia also valid for MUI or not? -
Lairedion says:
Sure thing poor Indonesia, the laughing stock of Asia and the world.
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Andrew says:
Which part of that is blasphemy? No doubt, Abdullah AR Joban is a moron. Wow, an 11th century brain at work… no wonder Indonesia progresses so rapidly.
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Enigmatic says:
The regent was quite insensitive to compare Islam to a beautiful instrument like the flute. He should have compared it to something more deserving… like the AK-47 or Molotov Cocktail. Or just about anything barabaric. Like nuclear weapons.
The MUI should just stone him, his mum, his wife and kids, and his ancestral grave as well. Simply mobilising the masses to chase him out is not harsh enough.
Sounds nihilistic. But clearly I’m being sarcastic. OK. Point is, the MUI is being oversensitive in this issue. And I thought that freedom of expression of opinion is a constitutional right in Indonesia… The flute is a beautiful instrument with a soothing sound and so I don’t understand how Muslims can be upset or insulted by the analogy. It’s not as though the regent was insulting Islam like Geert Wilders.
Not very smart, MUI…
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Purba Negoro says:
Lareidon:
no Singapore is.Just read their petty Straits Times typical headline:
“Indonesia brown man lah- he wannee invade meh!:
Ah so how can be so lazy number one?”And China banning bald and smelly taxi drivers from Beijing? and sending off its’ 60,000+ strong permanet workforce of sex-slaves?
Not amusing at all.
You clowns just don’t see the wood for the trees do you?
Far more intelligent people than you could ever dare wish to be, are allowing MUI to totally discredit, disenfrachise and enrage the Central Javanese so they lose a key demographic.
Targetng the Royalty in Java is like poking an ants’ nest- who will they flocvk to? Guess? PDI-P? Golkar? Prabowo?So they can castrate the Islamic parties: MUI, PPP, PKS, from any realistic chance of political power/ competition.
But you empty vessels are the same buffoons who don’t get Wayang and just can’t appreciate subtelty, the stylistic and intellectual above the sperifical realistic depictions and masterful dhalang-ship: it takes too long and has too many characters. And big words.
Javanese wayang is not the childish Chinese shadow puppetry or Punch and Judy shows you are usd to. It’s got depth.
As does the Javanese political mind- we’re born to rule- and if need, as wong kasar kaya wong cino cuma ngerti aksi kasar- the crude only understand the crude- force those that refuse our rule to heel.
So- either you’re all part Chinese and therefore can only comprehend the most shiny, superficial or blatantly obvious or your village whore derived syphillis requires something stronger than penicillin.
The word for today is dhalang. Now go practice your aksara Jawa.
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PN, from your ivory tower in South Jakarta is pretty hard to view the current dire state Indonesia is in right now, not to mention the bad reputation it has. You can easily dismiss this as Jewish/Western lies but you have to face reality. Indonesia is regarded as a stupid nation because it’s managed by incredibly stupid people and the MUI, state-sponsored self-declared guardians of True Islam, is a vivid example of that. Nr. 1 bigot Jusuf Kalla is another fine example.
It’s like what Mas Tomaculum said in another thread. Overseas-based (former) Indonesians (I swapped the Green Passport at age 23) like me and him are still defending Indonesia against critics but why should we? It’s hopeless really and your comments are not going to polish Indonesia’s image any time soon. I regard some of your views as colorful and on the edge but in another thread you brand Melanesian Indonesians as savages struggling to cope with modernism. To describe MUI and FPI thugs as such would be more fitting.
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Abdul Khalid al Jumhuri says:
MUI is just another formalized thuggery which was established by Suharto in early 70s, and after his demise, was usurped by the Saudi Wahabbis (whithout the Indonesians realizing it, since late 80s) to make sure that all, I mean all, people follows their interpretation of Islam. With the types of Abdullah, who knows no better commodities other than fanatism, what can you expect? However, in a free market people will only buy what is relevant in life. At the end of the day, fanatism does not buy them food and clothing, and people are smart. They will choose commodities that are relevant for their lives.
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Lariedion:
Kalla is a patriot defending the rights of the native pribumi= he simply highlighted common Chinese business tactics of collusion, monopolisation, price gouging, price fixing and hoarding.
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To clarify this story a little, it seems what Dedi actually said was that listening to a flute, or other kinds of music, could possibly bring you closer to God than reading the Quran. If one just heard verses from the Quran it would not necessarily have any effect. tempo
Btw I moved the maid talk to Maid Abuse in Singapore & Malaysia.
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santana says:
State Indonesia which Islam majority always which its(the name Muslim ( MUI) this always quickly reacted is upper named Ummat Islam if there is thing felt to be incompatible of its(the opinion with people and other group, why should just because Dedy expressed about in-(un- its(the tahuannya/kebodohan to just Holy instead is answered to negativity and makes Islam believer dander in Purwakarta, even Asep Hamdani from Font Pembela Islam Purwakarta asks that Dedy is catched. Man Ought to is confessing blockhead like this Dedy enough to be taught religion rather than overturn instead is made angry more than anything else is catched.. yes like this if thus member of Indonesia…dasar nation which full of trick politics and is each other covet
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Sylvester says:
Poor Indonesia again for having people like PN
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yes correct, This tomaculum is a the always exploits space and opportunity , to do pitting against between humanity group of islam is every [by] forums, and always cynical and assumes islam very dangerous. man like this Tomaculum ought to beforehand learning islam which is good and new correctness commented so that not happened Fitnah, didn’t because only harsh deed from golongan/ upper stream named islam ( FPI and others) so that s(he assumes islam same as which in teaching by Nabi Muhammad. They is this is its(the people characteristic bringing missi under cover Jew ( pretends discusing ) with a purpose to crushing of islam from within upperly named islam
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dewaratugedeanom says:
Lairedion
Indonesia is regarded as a stupid nation because it’s managed by incredibly stupid people and the MUI, state-sponsored self-declared guardians of True Islam, is a vivid example of that. Nr. 1 bigot Jusuf Kalla is another fine example.
Quite frankly I sometimes wonder how Indonesia would look like if the Dutch would still be in charge. Probably not perfect, but from a managerial standpoint surely a lot better than it is now. This is not meant as sarcasm.
O.K. I’m ready for some heavy nationalistic counter-attack. 🙂
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santana,
read again carefully my comments and then we can discuss about it in intellectual and civilized style without waving names nor calling names. OK?
If you find only one word of mine insulting Islam, I will apologize. If not, are you fair enough to do the same? Or are you only able to jump into a driving train and calling names?
I have already read Al Qur’an, Alkitab etc, I have learn from those books.
One of the several things I have learned from Al Qur’an is:
– not calling names or fitnah
– to love and respect everybody.
And you? 🙂
Maybe you should read Al Qur’an (or read it again) and try to internalize it?Dewa,
you’re a traitor. 🙂 (like me). -
Reads catatan/tex book certain sentences Iiterally that is not necessarily the same its(the Maksud with in tex, more if only used for the sake of certain / supports justification.
First of all, too much which you must study beforehand before you to decide to become an you understanding ( and remark) so that Tafsir about quran and islam doesn’t deflect too far. Hereinafter, you doesn’t affect and dogma of with terjemahan/kamus quran departmental standard in country because translation dictionary quran used is Al-Munjid composition Louis ma”luv a Pendeta Christian is having nationality a real not Jew fulfills clauses of scientific standard, where islam is whole world must do purification of re- Pen-tafsiran come up with level like understanding of Nabi and the its(the burden of proof friends erectly and appearance islam by bringing equation of humanity ( justice, safety, prosperity and prosperity). if you will be safe, hence approach systim islam supposing sees it from two sides currency, beside as islam a religion ( trust of man to its(the God), at the same time also as one systemses arranges hidup/ x’self and up to broader storey, secondly this is not comprehended most people islam causing causes hubbub and is each other blame outside its(the faction.
truth of quran/islam cannot only proved with translation teori/tex book ( arab to indonesia)saja but must with verification Ilmiah, where quran/islam must be translated in presentation of reality life, be islam as settlement of life becomes Rahmatan lil alamin = safety for all life on this earth truthfully, and all discourses in this islam still in struggle phase although opinion is circle [by] most moslem expressing that translation islam completed, but its(the reality hubbub and class struggle in world islam still always takes place.
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santana,
what are u talkin’ about? 🙂
Sorry, I really don’t understand what you mean (no sarcasm or irony). -
Btw, santana,
did you find any sentence of mine insulting Islam? Or didn’t yet read all of my comments? 🙂 -
For all Indonesian home and everywhere:
Selamat merayakan HUT RI 2008 yang ke 63 !!!! -
Toma,
thank-you very much! How very pleasant of you- perhaps I should show you my “spear”?It is made of Tombak Ali wood.
Jayalah Negriku, Jayalah Bangsaku Dirgahayu Republik Indonesia Ke-63 Merdeka
Satu Nusa Satu Darah!
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What is Tombak ali wood?
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Ok..I repeated, If you reads Holy sentences just which article/ Iiterally just of that insufficient
because is not necessarily the same understanding the reader ( mean) with artucle,more than
anything else [by] if the reader have been started and based on with intention for the sake of
certain / looks for justification and brings to corner others ( subjektip).
First of all, too much which you must study beforehand before you to decide to become an you
understanding ( then commented) so that Interpretation about quran and islam doesn’t deflect too far.
Hereinafter, you doesn’t affect and dogma of from translation dictionary Holy having standard
department in country because translation dictionary quran is Al-Munjid composition Louis ma’luv
a Priest Christian is having nationality a real not Jew fulfills clauses of scientific standard
and even there here is found many mistakes that is intended, so that public islam is whole world
ought to as soon as possible does purification of re-interpretation come up with level which its
very diametrical and correct (objektip) like understanding of Prophet and the its(the friends
which in the end burden of proof by winning /vertical stood and settlement appearance of islam
earth bringing equation of humanity ( justice, safety, prosperity and prosperity). if you will be
safe, hence approach systim islam supposing sees it from two sides currency, beside as islam an
religion/ritual ( trust of man to its(the God which now comprehended by Muslim as common
his(its), also at the same time as one systemses settlement life and comes up with grade which
more grade broader, and this last is not comprehended most people islam so that islam thus stag
dsn causes hubbub and each other blame without end is between humanity Muslim ( remembers..
!!! Moslem Mukmin is not guaranted, on the contrary Mukmin is ascertained [by] Muslim). truth
of quran/islam cannot only proved with translation teori/tex book from language arab to bhs just
indonesia but must with verification of formula Ilmiah, where quran/islam in the end must be
translated in presentation of life real and just in the cloyds be islam as settlement of life becomes Rahmatan
lil alamin = safety for all life on this earth truthfully, and all discourses in this islam still
in struggle phase although opinion is has circle [by] most moslem expressing that translation islam
complete and having, but its(the reality hubbub and class struggle in world islam still always
takes place.
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Please everyone- do not take literal understanding of Mas Santana’s words-I believe he may be using computer translation- so I have attempted to translate into Indonesian then into [hopefully!] more understandable English.
A major p[roblem of Indoneswian-English trasnliteration is that Englihs is very specifric with specific connotations towords. Inodnesia is not- meaning and connotation are contextual.
IMHO, he has an excellent and abalanced, informed argument.
Pleas note this is my interpretation of Mas Sanata- I merely and to discussion- not favour one side or another.
Sentence1
OK I repeat, if you read the Holy senetn ce literally of the selcted text of the article- it is insufficient [sic out of context]because the meaning is not necessarily universally/comm only accepted [.]
as poor or superficial understanding appears to corner others with a [premeditated agenda/ulterior] via subjective argument argument.
First, it is extremely important you study the source material first yourself before you come to a decision- so then your comment is not a deviation/misinterpretation of the original source.
Furthermore, the accpeted translation of the Al Qu’ran because an MUI specialist Louis- a Christian priest, is acceptable and rationale objective interpretation.
As opposed to Jew [sic superficical understander)- of foremost consideration is that the Q’uran does not have a global consensus of Its’ interpretation and continual work to is ongoing to purify/remove any and all bias/baggage from the interpretation.
This “purification/restoration” [maybe english-native speaker can help with better word- I think the Indonesian word he use is mem/diperbersihkan or diperbaikian] will provide a multi-faceted , honest and objective understanding of Mohammed- which is burdened with proving Islam is a virtuous/upright/accetpable religion [sic under subjective attack].
which in the end burden of proof by winning /vertical stood and settlement appearance of Islam.A more balanced, just, honest and fair interpretation will allow the reader to approach the argument seeing both sides of the coin.
Aside from Islam as a ritual, it is a systematic appraisal and plan for a tolerant and congenial life with examinations often not understood by Muslims and thus creates gossip, sniping, subjective argument in the community
The Q’ursan states “Mukim” is not guaranteed. To the contrary, Mukmin is attained by the Muslim by his own [sic strenuous effort] as such it cannot be proved by problematic transaltion of Prose Old Arabic into Indonesian[sic itself a very modern and very different language] but via the verification of learned scholars whereby the Quran is interpreted/translated in accordance with today’s realities and not the hypothetical/allegorical/etc
All discourses in this interpretation of Islam still is in scholarly debate DESPITE Many Muslims ICNRRECTLY believing it is full, faithful. fair final and correct in it’ current interpretaion.
The fact is it is not- and Islams’ reality is that class struggle and conflict are a universal and continual human condition.
I think Mas Santana makes some very good points.MUI is not famous for outlandish Islamist extremesit- in fact coucnil members are had-picked and vetted to exclude ana background of ideological bias- hence MUI has entrausted its’ latest intperpretation to be assisted vuia a Christian (I am assuming Catholic) Priest.
Considering that the Old and New Testaments, the Talmud and the Dead Sea Scrolls are subject to far less pan-religious interpretation. debate, investigation and modernisation (as per MUI and Quran for Indoensia)- I we think we should cut the MUI some slack.
So, I agree with Santana- excellent points.
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Unless such a national, formal, apology were made within 24 hours the MUI would mobilise the masses to chase Dedi out of Purwakarta, Abdullah is reported to have said.
It looks more and more like a power struggle. MUI wants to take over, just like the mullah’s did in Iran. We’d better prepare ourselves if we want to save our Constitution.
@PN
First, it is extremely important you study the source material first yourself before you come to a decision- so then your comment is not a deviation/misinterpretation of the original source.
All this interpretational stuff may be interesting for debate among linguists and historians but we ordinary people have to live with the consequences and are still able to see what happens in reality. For us the proof of the pudding lies in the eating and not in in the way it is cooked up and presented on a platter.
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djoko says:
Ironically, Dedy was supported in his campaign for the bupati spot in purwakarta by, yep, you guessed it, PKS.
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Jim Harrison says:
Wayang…hahaha…Two words for the NKRI…ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Toma et al.
Santana was trying to tell you that the Quran, the holy guidance book for all mankind sent down by Allah Subhana Wa Ta’ala (the Lord of the universe) can only be understood in Arabic, not Bahasa.
If translated in Bahasa, it loses its real meaning; hence the tsunamis, earthquakes, bird flu etc in Indonesia for having the wrong translation.
Having a Bule as spouse do not give you the licence to disrespect your fellow Indonesian. His English is perfectly clear. You are pretending you don’t understand to satisfy the Bule crowds.
Have some respect.
Salam.
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The Bule clowns, to be precise.
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