Sharia Byelaws
Feb 18th, 2008, in Opinion, by RossRoss fumes against sharia byelaws in Indonesia.
Government’s Sharia Cop-Out
Jakarta Post 16th Feb,tells us that Home Minister Mardiyanto “did not see any need to review the so-called sharia bye-laws enforced in many regions, the minister claimed there was no such thing”. He said:
Explicitly, there are no “sharia bye-laws”. What exist are byelaws that implement the Islamic do’s and don’ts, but in a more specific manner.
Oh well, that’s okay then.
Despite the differences in the implementation of the bye-laws, they all have one thing in common – to ensure that aspects of life are conducted based on Islamic teachings.
Happily, some decent Muslims are speaking up, notably the Wahid Institute’s Azyurmadi Azra and Ahmad Suaidy. Suaidy, the director of the Wahid Institute, said:
The enforcement of sharia bye-laws also leads to classifying non-Muslims as second-class citizens, which is against the Constitution.
Quite so. Dhimmi status.
The Minister claims that in Aceh, for example, the disputed regulations were only applied to Muslims. In other words, the entire principle of the rule of law, one law for all citizens, is discarded by Indonesia. At the behest of bigots like the FPI and its “respectable” big brother, the MUI, the state will tell women how they may dress.
If two friends of different faiths go shopping in Bandar Aceh, one may be arrested for going unscarfed, while her Christian pal goes unmolested. (Of course the sharia goons will have to apprehend both for a while, to check their ID cards!) IT IS NOT THE STATE’S BUSINESS!
We non-Muslims already have to submit to the dictates of the dogmatists when not just Muslim businesses but all entertainment centres are forcibly closed down on “holy days”. This manifest mistrust of their own following (who would, in the government’s eyes, presumably flock to nightclubs if they were left open) impacts on Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and everybody, only because the mullahs fear their “subjects” disobedience!
In some parts of the country, you can’t buy a beer because the clerics have declared prohibition. Christians and others who don’t have any rules on alcohol therefore suffer unfair treatment, just because the goons reckon the Muslim-in-the-street will splurge his wages on booze, if supplies are available! It’s pathetic!
35 Comments on “Sharia Byelaws”
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Djoko says:
We non-Muslims already have to submit to the dictates of the dogmatists when not just Muslim businesses but all entertainment centres are forcibly closed down on “holy days”.
While we’re at it on religious laws closing things down, no shutting down Bali for Nyepi. No intimidation of non-Hindus for failing to follow the dictates of that holiday either then (get ready to be pelted by rocks should you do). How come Bali and all its special religious considerations never come up in these conversations on religious laws in Indonesia?
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Janma says:
well…. it would be hard to have nyepi if not everything closed down…. it wouldn’t be nyepi would it? I think most people dont’ mind nyepi… it’s kind of novel… but I understand what you say….. they have ceremonies lasting for days closing down streets and causing huge traffic jams. if you say anything the answer will be “ini kan bali!” (This is Bali) to which we answer….”that’s weird, I thought it was Indonesia….”
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Rambutan says:
If two friends of different faiths go shopping in Bandar Aceh, one may be arrested for going unscarfed, while her Christian pal goes unmolested. (Of course the sharia goons will have to apprehend both for a while, to check their ID cards!) IT IS NOT THE STATE’S BUSINESS!
Well, that’s actually not true. Wearing a jilbab is not mandatory in Aceh. Of course it is encouraged and expected but not prescribed by qanun (by-law). At the current stage, what is actually regulated by syariah qanuns in Aceh is a) drinking, b) gambling, c) extra-marital relations.
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Lairedion says:
Good article Ross. Personally I wouldn’t have a problem if clubs are closed down on “holy days” like Idul Fitri or Idul Adha. These days can be used by spending time at home (make sure you have enough booze in your fridge) or visiting your Muslim relatives or friends to wish them well. The same applies for Christmas or Nyepi. These are all annual happenings not really affecting peoples daily lifes.
Bulan Ramadhan is somewhat limiting non-Muslims. Restaurants with closed curtains are still an odd sight, rahter funny than annoying really. When my wife was still living and studying in Bandung she always made sure to travel with Christian Batak angkot drivers during Ramadhan for obvious reasons of course.
Sharia bye-laws are a different matter. These involve regulations for everyday life and are increasingly affecting and hindering non-Muslims. In the Padang regency in Sumbar, all women (including non-Muslim) are required to wear kerudung while going outside. These are clearly violating the Constitution but what can we expect from guys like Mardiyanto who is just filling his pockets and doesn’t give a s**t about the rakyat. Funny enough, non-Muslims are supported by NU and Muhammadiyah, who are both opposed to sharia for the sake of the country’s unity and pluralism. At least that is what they say….
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Dragonwall says:
Lairedion, are you muslim? You are not but somewhat I find you were more than a JP
Haven’t you seen enough of those nonsense!
So every religion should have what you so called observe that particular day as holy day and that those in the night life business should close chop. Fine but have you ever thought the following:
1. Ramadhan how many days? 30.
2. Christmas – 1
3. Hindhu / Buddhist Nyepi – 1See the difference? And haven’t you seen enough of those FPI morons who were creating terrors during the recent Ramadhan and they also said they will protect the Christians during Christmas last.
I can only summed up that you comments were merely but just to make your presence felt no more no less.
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dragonwall,
Lairedion, are you muslim?
No, I’m an agnostic swine who does not perform any kind of religion.
Haven’t you seen enough of those nonsense!
Yes, I’ve seen and had enough of this nonsense, based on Middle Eastern fairy tales, be it Jewish, Christian or Islamic.
So every religion should have what you so called observe that particular day as holy day and that those in the night life business should close chop.
I didn’t say they should close, I said personally I don’t have a problem with, closed or open, I don’t really care. I never said I agree with the closing during Ramadhan.
3. Hindhu / Buddhist Nyepi – 1
I see a difference here. Nyepi is Hindu and Waisak is Buddhist.
Don’t let your anger blur your view when reading and reacting to my comments 😎
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If a person has to get angry on certain comments then he/she should not be writing in these blogs.
Nyepi to all are for Hindhus whereas Waisak is for Buddhist.
The only difference in Hindhu and Buddhist is that Hindus are more obssess with dieties whereas Buddha is to Himself. Taoist who are majority Buddhist are more obssess with dieties too. But Hindhus and Buddhist are the same.
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
@ dragonwall
If a person has to get angry on certain comments then he/she should not be writing in these blogs.
Uh .. our cranky cockatoo doing a backflip. Weren’t you the one who wanted me ban from this blog, and others for having different views?
Nyepi to all are for Hindhus whereas Waisak is for Buddhist.
Salam for Islam 🙂
The only difference in Hindhu and Buddhist is that Hindus are more obssess with dieties whereas Buddha is to Himself. Taoist who are majority Buddhist are more obssess with dieties too. But Hindhus and Buddhist are the same.
Islam is obsessed with Peace.
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dragonwall,
It is this kind of answer that’s displaying your way of pushing and nagging.
We were discussing holidays for religious observance here and I merely pointed out Hindus and Buddhists have their own. For your info, these are official holidays in Indonesia.
– 07 March 2008 – Nyepi Hindu New Year 1930 Saka
– 20 May 2008 – Hari Raya WaisakThis was not enough for you. You are giving me a free lesson on dharmic religions which I didn’t ask for and is totally irrelevant in this thread.
Nyepi to all are for Hindhus whereas Waisak is for Buddhist.
The only difference in Hindhu and Buddhist is that Hindus are more obssess with dieties whereas Buddha is to Himself. Taoist who are majority Buddhist are more obssess with dieties too. But Hindhus and Buddhist are the same.
Wow that’s some analysis, I’m impressed with the sheer depth of it! Buddha is obsessed with himself. They’re all obsessed. Thanks for sharing your extensive knowledge.
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Have you seen dieties? Do you know who is the Buddha? What were the difference?
Everyone is trying to big brother the others just because they have nothing to do in their free time but just reproducing.
Read carefully I said “whereas Buddha is to Himself”. Did I said he was obsess?
Despite the differences in the implementation of the bye-laws, they all have one thing in common – to ensure that aspects of life are conducted based on Islamic teachings.
Is that what your so called holiday discussions? Pushy and nagging Bigots thinks that way when Islamic clerics are insisting other religions run their life base on Islamic teaching.
So does that make yours or mine comment irrelvant?
And that copy cat mole face dick chum…you make me laugh with your obsessions.
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dragonwall,
Do you know who is the Buddha?
Yes, imho the smartest human ever to set foot on our planet.
The only difference in Hindhu and Buddhist is that Hindus are more obssess with dieties whereas Buddha is to Himself. Taoist who are majority Buddhist are more obssess with dieties too. But Hindhus and Buddhist are the same.
Read carefully I said “whereas Buddha is to Himself”. Did I said he was obsess?
I tried to understand this but since your English is lousy I have given up…
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Dragonwall honey…..
The only difference in Hindhu and Buddhist is that Hindus are more obssess with dieties whereas Buddha is to Himself. Taoist who are majority Buddhist are more obssess with dieties too. But Hindhus and Buddhist are the same.
Read carefully I said “whereas Buddha is to Himself”. Did I said he was obsess?
If you say in English…. that “Hindu’s are obsessed with Deities whereas Buddha is to himself.” it indeed means that the Buddha is obsessed with himself, due to it being in once sentence with the qualifier ‘obsessed’ …..
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Paul says:
Can somebody explain why the minister of Home Affairs thinks he has the authority to comment on this subject?
I understand SBY asked his predecessor (the former Home Affairs minister that is) to examine whether the by-laws are contradicting higher national laws or not, but isn’t it up to the Supreme Court to give the answer?
Can somebody explain to me why the Supreme Court until now hasn’t done so? It seems to me that the ‘problem’ of the by-laws, in this stage, is a judicial one and not (yet) a political. -
Ross says:
Good discussion, but it’s SBY who bothers me. Does he really go along with these nutters? Does he like having innocent people like Lia of the Eden sect jailed, only because a mob of savages surrounded her home? How does he equate all this evil with Indonesia’s membership on the UN Human Rights body?
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Ross, we can forget about SBY.
This is the person who urged the media and press not to bring inappropiate news and to exercise self-censorship, especially on religious matters. Well, criticizing sharia and/or Islam is highly “inappropiate” in Indonesia nowadays. MUI and like minded people are calling the shots in Indonesia and SBY is submissive to them.
Mbak Janma, you find the right words to describe it. Trims. 😉
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Dear Janma,
due to it being in once sentence with the qualifier
Then I should have break it to be more understandable.
The difference between Buddha and Dieties are:
Dieties were worship upon because they did things in that benefits the community. There were never any predecessor before them.
Buddha is a re-incarnation of an earlier Buddha. For example There were four Buddhas
Amitaba, Laughing Buddha, Mitra Buddha, and Sakyamuni Buddha. They have attain enlightenment to become a Buddha and one after another they pass on the reincarnation whereas the Sakyamuni Buddha was the last reincarnation. They were never obssessed with any othere dieties except they themselves observe the true way of life. “If you follow the true way of life, you could also attain enlightenment”.Buddhist followers worship the Buddha, as respect, in hope of trying to achieve something.
Whereas Dieties were once some sort of hero or martyr and people worship upon them to gain something.
Between the Hindhus and Taoist both followers (Most Taoist are Buddhist followers though some maintain their way following the Taoist preaching) they prayed upon their dieties to gain certain they hoped to get in life. For example you hope to be rich and you pray to them then out the blue moon something came up and you became rich for whatever reason I won’t know. Perhaps they have done something good and being rewarded with the windfall perhaps.
When praying to the Buddha, unless you were able to abide to the true way of life, you will not be achieving anything or something. The teaching itself is emptiness.
“ou belief it’s there, it’s there and if you belief it’s not there then it will not be there”
The Buddha achieve enlightment and that they possess nothing. No greed, No drugs, No family, No Self, No sex, No Booze, No meat strictly vegetarian. No earthly possession whereas Dieties does have earthly possession.The difference is a world wide apart.
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What are you trying to prove here, dragonwall? Janma is pointing out your grammatical error in your English but you find it necessary to explain irrelevant differences between Buddha and dieties (or do you actually mean deities?). But keep on talking, it’s becoming entertaining. I particularly like this one. 😆
For example you hope to be rich and you pray to them then out the blue moon something came up and you became rich for whatever reason I won’t know. Perhaps they have done something good and being rewarded with the windfall perhaps.
Brilliant stuff! You should start a career as a stand-up comedian.
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When she pointed out to me that the sentence ending in such a manner will make people like you without a sense of deduction find it hard to understand.
The problem is that you have not seen things hapenning to others, whereas people like you should open yourself up and not clinging to your heritage.
Clowns like you won’t understand those who prayed to dieties so you should go and learn something from the Chinese. As I said it was just an example and is directing to Janma. Yeah I suppose so otherwise there won’t be people like you coming out from the forest and be open up to this new world finding you enclosure somehow crowded.
Take a trip to Medan, Riau Islands, Batam and find more about Chinese Dieties.
Want to know about diety? During the 98 riot there was this pri guy who robbed a vihara in Ujung Pandang (Most of the Chinese there came from China long time ago) of a certain diety and trying to have it sold. He went mad. He is a comedian like you finding things amusing and had no respect for other religion. Check the story out maybe this is another comedy. Since you were an Iban Dayak, right. Then you must have participated in the 1999 civil conflict between Maduras? But for that I really doubted that so much because you don’t have a belief, at least to say for other religion. And one thing you tend to jump into the conclusion like some of them.
If you have then you tell me about your belief. If don’t then introspect yourself and not be bias on other religion like in the Palestinian conflicts. Because I have seen what happened during the 1999 conflict right up to early 2000. Don’t even know where were you.
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@ Lairedion
Beware! T’is the person who claim to win in every debates. His focus is to ‘win’ by any cost, not explain, brother. I think he won again. 🙂
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Thanks brother Aluang, I will be cautious. 😉
dragonwall:
Since you were an Iban Dayak, right. Then you must have participated in the 1999 civil conflict between Maduras?
I thought I was mixed Dutch-Indonesian but why should I question you since you’ve never lost a debate. Keep on talking , it’s fun. Maduras, dieties, all new stuff I’m learning here. 🙂
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I would simply say that people like you and the mole face {his new efigy} are but a bunch of chikadees that is not into any kind of debates but only want people to know that you knew something which you don’t really in fact.
I am actually putting something up if you read carefully, to both of you, to see how well you really are into Kalimantan and dayaks when coming into this topic. which in this case it seemed you might not know anything. So it’s no point discussing.
Go on you scratch his back he scratches yours.When a person comment something and make sense, whether winning a debate or not will seem outright and I don’t need people like him to tell me his opinion.
I suppose this is the sole purpose of this blog.
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@ dragonwall
There is a clear distinction between ‘debate’ and ‘swearing competition’. A ‘debate’ is a discussion involving opposing viewpoints. ‘Swearing competition’ is what you excelled in.
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Some people lower themselves to swearing and name calling when they:
– are pointed out on errors (e.g. Hindhu / Buddhist Nyepi, whereas Buddha is to Himself.).
– their opinions are contradicting one another and other people addressing that. (am I Dutch-Indo or Iban Dayak?).
– are blaming other people to diverge from the subject of a thread but cooking up irrelevant stories themselves (e.g. Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, deities stolen by pri guy turned mad, Maduras etc.).
– cannot set sarcasm, baits, humor apart from normal comments.Despite of all this, this swearing and name calling makes it more fun to read though… 😆
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Despite of all this, this swearing and name calling makes it more fun to read though”¦
LOL, he would be the last person I wanted to see go away. Even though I only completed college, one always feel intellectually and culturally superior among people like him. Certainly, not all men are made equal. Some like him need to be restrained by Shariah.
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Kiss My Arse.. Tell me where in which area was the swearing?
If both of you back scratching buddies are into debates then it should have been directed to it and end with something concrete instead of things like ‘so I don’t know””I am not an Islam kind of crap”.
Neither of you did and worst of all the mole face is omnipresence when coming to provocation. How nice, at least I learned something that could probably be the trade marks of Dayaks..or half bred. (You’re not even a Dayak)
Oh Yeah one thing I didn’t know the mole face have been scratching a Christian friend’s back since he claims he is not an Islam and I thought he hated Christians and the kind of “White Trash” he claims.
You mediocres should be taking the center stage at Ancol and you have the whole population saluting to your twisting, turning and denials.
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Oh one more thing. I am beginning to like it as it is about to turn into another debate like Yusril’s.
When you questioned someone and were given a reply where you didn’t know how to react you move on to others comment abruptly.
You know why, when I reply to someone comments you began to be suspicious that others are directing to you.
Same thing to the mole face who claims to be a Javanese in Kalimantan which I really suspect he is a Madurese.
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Clowns, Chikadees. Mole Face, mediocres, scratching buddies…
Tell me where and when will your foul language end?
Oh Yeah one thing I didn’t know the mole face have been scratching a Christian friend’s back
In your limited world view a non-Muslim is automatically a Christian. Isn’t it nice if everything is so simple?
Again a brilliant observation. Where did you gain such knowledge?
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Lairdion, I tried not to have direct conflict by not mentioning names and it seems that you are up to something right? So okay come lets have it.
Tell me which words like Clowns, Chikadees. Mole Face, mediocres, scratching buddies are made up of foul scent? After all you started all those craps first, ain’t that right? (Drakenmurr until you explain because I don’t take cheese) Comedians.
Try introspecting your self before you make a comment. You two seemd to be scratching buddies to me if you look carefully on all those remarks. Of course I earlier mentioned that he kept changing his avatar with the distinct mole in his face.
Being a Dutch, Half bred, Non Muslim, You can’t be a Chinese right! Or Hindhus. Oh yes a Zionist Aborigine Jews, I am sorry my apology. You belief in trees and animals.
And that is what they call a sense of deduction.
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@ Lairedion
Gee, me thinks he won again. 🙂
Brother, I think you have to concede defeat, afterall ‘name-callings’ are only the language he knew.
Allah swt had made his brain rigid. He is the same old fish that get caught on the same old baits; the same old fish that I had to unhook and throw it back to the filthy drain over and over again.
Being a Dutch, Half bred, Non Muslim, You can’t be a Chinese right! Or Hindhus. Oh yes a Zionist Aborigine Jews, I am sorry my apology. You belief in trees and animals.
Another masterpiece. This one is hard to beat. LOL
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