Jewish Conspiracy
Feb 13th, 2008, in News, by PatungWhether Valentine’s Day is a Jewish conspiracy.
West Sumatra
Buya Mas’oed Abidin, the chairman of the West Sumatra branch of the Indonesian Clerics’ Council (Majelis Ulama Indonesia, MUI) complained on 12th February that the celebration of Valentine’s Day was proof that Indonesia was more and more subject to foreign, global culture.
We have to stop it, it’s not appropriate in our culture.
The celebration of lover’s day was proof that the youth of today had lost their love for Indonesia and its culture, he said.
In the original Republika report there is also mention that Valentine’s Day, celebrated on 14th February by young people worldwide, is a capitalist-Jewish conspiracy, although it is not entirely clear whether this is an editorial statement, or Buya Mas’oed Abidin’s opinion, probably the latter.
Buya Mas’oed Abidin is then quoted:
Parents, teachers, and Islamic organisations have to urge young people not to celebrate Valentine’s Day.
The effort to stop the celebration was very important because of all the natural disasters that Indonesia had suffered recently, like floods, tsunamis and earthquakes, he said. Rises in the prices of basic goods were also connected, he seemed to suggest.
As a solution he recommended that the national government establish Hari Sumpah Pemuda (Youth Pledge Day, 28th October) as a day of young love, to replace Valentine’s Day, considering that the original oath swearers of 1928 had much love for their country. republika
Meanwhile in the West Sumatra town of Bukittinggi the mayor, Ismet Amzis, said on 13th February that celebrating Valentine’s was illegal, based on a pre-existing local anti-sin law (Peraturan Daerah tentang Pemberantasan Maksiat).
It’s not part of our culture, it’s very close to sin, people hug and kiss on Valentine’s Day, that is sinful.
One hundred public order officers will patrol the streets of Bukittinggi on Valentine’s Day looking for couples walking together. They will also raid hotels.
Hotels and restaurants are also forbidden from holding any special programs or offers for Valentine’s Day.
The city government has already instructed schools to direct their pupils to the mosque on 14th February, and has informed mosque preachers to prepare special sermons for teenagers.
The mayor also said that in future New Year’s Eve celebrations would also be banned, because they encouraged people to commit sin. Bukittinggi was known as a tourist destination, but: tempo
It’s better to not have tourists than have sinful things going on.
North Sumatra
Buya Mas’oed Abidin’s counterpart in North Sumatra, Abdullah Syah, said on 13th February that the MUI had ruled that celebrating Valentine’s Day was haram or “taboo” for Muslims in the province.
It’s against the principles of Islam.
He also said it was a product of foreign culture, and was strictly forbidden. republika
107 Comments on “Jewish Conspiracy”
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Odinius says:
The nutbag Islamist right has long been suspicious of Valentine’s Day, but usually they have done so within the frameworks of attacking its consumerism and Christian roots. While it was always a bit stupid, at least it was a logical set of complaints for someone who believes in an austere version of Islam. It is called St. Valentine’s Day, after all, and it does exist mostly to serve the greeting card and chocolate industries.
But Jewish? To be honest, either Mr. Buya Mas’oed Abidin is an idiot or he really admires Jewish people and wants the world to know this. How else to explain attributing to them something so bizarrely unconnected to them!
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Murphy says:
Come on guys, give him a break
It’s a very normal position. Even “korban mode” like me doesn’t need a cleric suggestion to see Valentine’s Day with at least a little suspicion. People can see it as the day to express your love or just another gross commercialism like defining Christmas as the day to exchange (read buy) gifts. Both views have their own supporters around the world.
You can get the same view even from the most moderate clerics (I would like to see if Gus Dur endorses Valentine’s Day).
Okay, the “J” word is stupid, but then, the Jewish conspiracy theory was not exactly invented here nor the muslims or Indonesians are the sole users.
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Yeah but just because some Russians dreamed up the Elders of Zion doesn’t make it any more ridiculous when some Indonesian cleric from the sticks slaps the ol’ Jewish conspiracy label on a Christian holiday.
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Oigal says:
The effort to stop the celebration was very important because of all the natural disasters that Indonesia had suffered recently
Laugh..what a hoot!
Seriously these guys cannot even open their mouths without subtracting from the sum total of human knowledge..
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Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Dear All Muslim Brothers & Sisters,
Look at Oz land, Allah swt punished them with drought. They repented, feel sorry for mistreating Blackies and Allah swt give them rains now.
We have one last chance at salvation. Celebrating Valentine’s day is like inviting tsunamis, earthquakes and other disasters. Think twice before buying gifts for your loved one.
Wasalam.
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Rambutan says:
Yeah but just because some Russians dreamed up the Elders of Zion doesn’t make it any more ridiculous when some Indonesian cleric from the sticks slaps the ol’ Jewish conspiracy label on a Christian holiday.
Jews. Christians. Freemasons. Illuminati. Rosenkreuzer. It’s all the same for paranoid conspiracy theorists.
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Maybe Buya Mas’oed Abidin just jealous no one has sent him a box of chocolate or Valentine’s card. Or perhaps his wife(s) come up with a long list of gifts and treats for Thursday he can’t cope with?
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What if we celebrate valentine with gifts and love and visits to the victims of suc disasters, will that still be haram?
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trane says:
Murphy:
“Come on guys, give him a breakIt’s a very normal position. Even “korban mode” like me doesn’t need a cleric suggestion to see Valentine’s Day with at least a little suspicion.”
A ‘normal’ or reasonable position may be to dislike Valentine’s Day because you do not think it ‘genuine’ or whatever, and to see it only as an expression of excessive consumerism. I for one do not care much for Valentine’s Day (and my partner does not complain).
But it is one thing to dislike a particular practice and to want to regulate the behaviour of others. That is what this guy wants.
You may think it’s silly to buy a box of chocolate on this particular day. But it is ridiculous, and a token of ill will, to view it as something detrimental to public morale or whatever. It is just a box of chocolate. I am sure God can tell the difference.
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Shorty says:
A capitalist – jewish conspiracy…..an expression of gross commercialism…….
I guess that makes lebaran a capitalistic – muslim conspiracy.Both can be celebrated and enjoyed without excess.
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Andrew says:
In the original Republika report there is also mention that Valentine’s Day, celebrated on 14th February by young people worldwide, is a capitalist-Jewish conspiracy, although it is not entirely clear whether this is an editorial statement, or Buya Mas’oed Abidin’s opinion, probably the latter.
LOL, they must have been smoking crack cocain. Sounds like they can’t claim anything to be “haram” unless they relate it to the Jews. I find it pathetic, because I see more similarities between Islam and Jewish than any other religions. Do they really think hating others will make them a better believer?
p.s. thank God not all Muslims have the same view; but to think that strong statements come from the so-called “leaders” is really disturbing.
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doesn’t “capitalist-jewish conspiracy” sound a little…hmm…Communist?? I believe it was one of Stalin’s favorite put downs. Maybe someone should be polite enough to inform the kind gentleman from MUI that he’s talking like a “pinko.”
Communists are popular in Indonesia, right? 😉
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Lairedion says:
We have to stop it, it’s not appropriate in our culture.
So is Arab desert culture with woman raping and murdering….
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Dragonwall says:
The mayor of Bukit tinggi should be place on top of the bukit so is the Mask oed.
It seems that most clerics are opposing to government regulated laws and simply suggest to have this and that banned.
Why don’t they banned him for having sex. These people can’t stand up to public debate except telling people what to do. Directing all pupils to the mosque? Whose mosque? Meaning everyone must go to the mosque. Pray for what and to who? Christians and others will also be directed there to hear the sermons of Sumpah Pemuda or Valentino?
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Bogalakon says:
Why we (muslim) should celebrate their (kafir’s) Valentine’s day, I think Idul Fitri has more universal affection than valentine’s day, because it’s not about just giving chocolate to the boy/girlfriend, but Idul Fitri encourage Muslim to give forgiveness to all of the people.
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Cukurungan says:
Dear all infidels ,
It is the Muslim full right and the sole our internal affair to decide whether we should celebrate the valentine day or not and it is much better for all infidels to shut-up their mouths see your self why you can tolerate the people who denied God and don’t worship to God but you so hate to muslim who only denied the valentine day’s celebration .
Is the valentine day more important than the worship to God?
Regard,
Provokator No.1 -
Dear Cuk,
No one is telling anyone they should celebrate Valentine’s Day. Every person should decide for him or herself, Muslim or otherwise.
What people are doing here is pointing out just how stupid the reason this guy gives for not celebrating it is. 🙂
Warm Regards,
Logician No. 0.5
Dear Bogalakon,
Okay, don’t celebrate it! But what gives you the right to tell anyone else what they can or cannot do?
Warm Regards,
Individualist No. 3.14159
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Trane,
Muslim clerics do not have authority to “regulate” people’s behaviour. There’s no such authority in, at least, Sunni Islam. What the guy said was simply his opinion; akin to legal opinion of a lawyer or statement of a politician. Everyone is free to express his opinion and to campaign for it. Everyone else is also free to listen or not listen to him
There are lots of other non-muslim non-clerics non-Indonesian people campaigning against Valentine’s Day. It’s, as I said, a very normal stand.
It’s the “Jewish Conspiracy” part that is silly, reflecting his upbringing that contributed all evils in the world to some sinister conspiracies. He didn’t mean actual Jews (I doubt he has met one). Replace “Jewish” with “West” or “Americans” or “Communist” or “Elemen Orde Baru” it will still be acceptable reasoning to him as long he remains the conspiracy victim.
Whether buying chocolate on Valentine’s Day is good or bad, everyone is entitled to their opinion; they will call each other “ridiculous”; and that, Trane, is normal.
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Dear Odinius,
clerical task in the religion is almost the same with marketing managers task in automotive industry or other industry. They have to tell to their customers that their religion or product is the best and the other is wrong and rubish, how they do that? the simple method is just to reject and denies the competitors product and programs . In this case, Jews Conspirations is easy and our preference of scapegoat.
Regard,
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dewaratugedeanom says:
I like chocolate candy bars with white cream for my Valentine.
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@Cuk,
If you consider religion to be a product which needs to be sold then this product also must compete with other products operating in the same market. If there’s only one product available then the development of this product will stall if not fall back because there’s no healthy competition.
how they do that? the simple method is just to reject and denies the competitors product and programs
Common method is using intimidation and violence towards other “products”.
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Does anyone know where should I send a box of chocolate for Buya Mas’oed Abidin? I’d like to send him a nice one, wonder whether he likes dark chocolate or white chocolate.
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Oh nice, thank you very much
I’m Buya Mas’oed Abidin, I’d like the dark one, please.Give me your email then I will inform you my address via email.
PS: I would appreciate if the brand of the chocolate that you deliver is not already marketed in Indonesia (toblerone, silver queen, delfi, etc).
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Dear Cuk,
But for every one person who might say “gee, now that I think of this as a Jewish Conspiracy, I can’t celebrate Valentine’s Day,” there will be four who read this and say “this just proves what I already thought about Islam.” I don’t think this fool is representative of Muslims as a whole in any which way, but his stupidity is basically ammunition for those that want to defame and ridicule present-day Islam. To me, that’s pretty bad marketing 🙂
Best,
Polite Logician 0.5
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Valentine’s day is about St Valentine and what has that got to do with Jewish Conspiracy? I failed to understand why the Indonesian clerics and Islamic faction has to do with this!
I suppose that the clerics and the so called fidels have the right to celebrate idul fitri and others have no right to celebrate their own? Is that religious tolerance? My foot.
Why must other religion celebrate idul fitri? Asked the Mask Hood and the mayor of bukit tinggi to f**k a spider.
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tomaculum says:
“The celebration of lover’s day was proof that the youth of today had lost their love for Indonesia and its culture, he said.”
Hmmm, which culture does he mean? The Islamic one? Is that the true Indonesian culture?
Let us see:
Buya, Mas’oed and Abidin: are they original Indonesian names?“Hotels and restaurants are also forbidden from holding any special programs or offers for Valentine’s Day”
I’ve read something like that, it was a documentation about Germany 1933-1945.“He also said it was a product of foreign culture, and was strictly forbidden”
And Islam is an original product of Indonesian culture?Indonesia, I love you, but I’m glad not longer to be a part of you. So many brainless people.
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In norway people don’t really celebrate valentine, they say it’s an invention of capitalist who wants to comercializing everything, so we buy gift, pink stuffs, etc. some do celebrate for fun but they share the same opinion.
I think it’s pretty stupid that buya said JEWISH. but I also think you guys are so mean in making comments. seems like to many of us, indonesia doesn’t matter anymore. It’s a hopeless country.
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I have just found a brilliant solution to stop Valentine’s day virus spread in Indonesia: organize a football match!!
Seriously, look at what happens here in Aberdeen, all men were at the stadium or pub, or at home, watching the game of Aberdeen vs. Bayern Munich. No one cares about Valentine’s Day. (I just posted this idea at my blog too).
Can we invite Ronaldhino back to Indonesia to play, rather than taking photographs with some fans?
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Poor poor people in West Sumatra for having this moron. Indonesia will never improve as long as these kind of idiot extremists still exist.