Doomsday 2012 Movie & MUI
Nov 20th, 2009, in News, by Patung
Obscure branches of the MUI have their 15 minutes of fame in protest at the ‘2012’ doomsday movie.
Several regional branches of the Indonesian Ulema Council/Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) have protested at the content of the apocalyptic 2012 movie, claiming it was unsuitable to be viewed by Muslims, because only Allah knew when the world would end, not heathens like the Mayans.
First out of the blocks was Mahmud Zubaidi, the leader of the Malang, East Java MUI, who asked the Information minister Tifatul Sembiring to withdraw 2012 from the nation’s movie screens, and said
Only Allah knows when doomsday will come.
Meanwhile in nearby Situbondo MUI members raided several Internet cafes in the area looking to confiscate pirated DVDs of the movie and prevent happy web surfers from downloading it. MUI head in Situbondo, K.H. Abdullah Faqih Gufron, said the movie had upset a lot of people in the town.
In Kalimantan, Prof. H. Asywadie Syukur, Lc, also suggested the government ban the 2012 movie. kompas
I agree with the Malang MUI, East Java, which states that the 2012 movie can mislead the people, especially the Muslims, so the government needs to re-evaluate the permit.
While in Bogor, West Java, primary school students at SD Kemang burned pirated DVD’s and posters of 2012 in protest, among other ‘spontaneous’ and well beat-up by the media pseudo reactions. okezone
62 Comments on “Doomsday 2012 Movie & MUI”
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well, here in bandung you can’t even go to see that movie so many people are coming to the theaters, i haven’t seen anything like this since titanic when billions and gazillions of teenage girls flocked to the theaters wetting their chairs watching leonardo… asked some friends about it in holland they’re like, huh? it’s just another one of those hollywood end of the world movies…. More Useless Idiots found something else to complain about, don’t these people have jobs? families? stuff to worry about??? I wonder when they’ll declare Indonesia Matters haram the imbeciles…
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Yes, I was mall walking in Jakarta recently and the dvd pirate sellers are doing a roaring trade on it (er, the quality of the dvd isn’t too hot…fyi), but in general this is one of those sort of ‘fake’ stories that media outlets live and breathe on, yes the MUI guys said those things but who asked them and who wrote about it and why – to have something to print in the papers I think.
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Burung Koel says:
Only Allah knows when Doomsday will come.
So, how then do you know that Allah knows? Repeat ad infinitum.
Even the heathen Maya never actually said the world was going to end.
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BrotherMouzone says:
Don’t really know if it is blasphemous or not, but it’s a pile of steaming crud.
I particularly like the bit at the end where the estranged wife’s new boyfriend gets mangled to death and she takes exactly 3 minutes and 30 seconds to get over him and get back with the husband.
BTW, that was a spoiler that will have ruined the movie for you if you hadn’t seen it yet, so you may as well not bother.
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donny says:
damn … I cannot buy the ticket … since it will take many many hours queueing just to get one … !!
it’s a good movie, from what my brother said … I’ll watch it and back with full spoiler =D
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I enjoyed one of the JP reports on this, which was clearly in the News category not Op-ed:
“We condemn the 2012 doomsday movie because it has caused a lot of unrest in the Situbondo community,” said MUI Situbondo MUI head K.H. Abdullah Faqih Gufron, ignorant of the fact that the raids carried out by his people counted as unrest.
Right, good point, but save it for the op-ed section thanks.
The council was previously taken to task by society at large for issuing bans on the social-networking site Facebook and on the practicing of yoga, a move that it aped from the Malaysian council of clerics.
Borderline that one (who/what is ‘society’, or am I sounding like Maggie Thatcher?), but factually it’s not entirely right, about Facebook and yoga, they were hardly ‘bans’.
The council had also condemned Steven Spielberg’s Schindler’s List, saying it was pro-Zionist, as though its own anti-Semitic stance was admirable.
Okay.
In the print edition the article was subtitled “Knee Jerk Reactionaries” which for peculiar stylistic reasons appeared above the headline. Alright, the MUI isn’t going to get any sympathy from anyone here but gee whiz talk about a hatchet job. Timdog’s stuff saves the JP if you ask me….
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Ross says:
Yeah, it’s crowded everywhere, possibly thanks to the goaties’ hysteria. Must go see it, just to upset them some more.
BTW, thanks, Patung, now I’ve got a positive ID. -
Ken Padmi says:
Come on guys, it’s just a movie, and they’re just MUI! An ORBA government constructed body to give them religious legitimation to any policy they make. They are not representing anybody but themselves. As long as I concern, the only spectacular success they have made so far is making Indonesian muslims look like a bunch of idiots who have no idea about what’s good or bad for themselves. So thank you, MUI for the insults we have been taking. Keep up the great job!
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timdog says:
Ross – well, I’ve never been too concerned about the cloak of anonimity, have I?
Patung – I guess the article is kind of entertaining, but they really do need to get a grip on these; they’re embarrasing…
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timdog…your cloak is self-chosen, as all such pseudonyms are. Odd choice of nom-de-guerre!
I was curious as to why, since you say you are unconcerned about anonymity. A number of people have hazarded interesting suggestions as to which of several people you might be. At least now I can answer them. -
It’s only half-a-pseudonym, Ross. Are you sure you’ve got it right? 😉
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Never sure about anything when Jaksa people are involved! Let decoding continue among the denizens!
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Oigal says:
Why would one care unless you wanted to buy someone a beer?
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Fawzia says:
In my stay in Indonesia, I haven’t seen any Muslims speculating about Doomsday, although doomsday is a hot topic amongst Iranian Shiite Muslims-those who still stick to the faith. Of course for Islam a doomsday isn’t enough, it has to be a doomsday according to Allah’s standards! 😉
Course, I feel Iran’s doomsday came millennia ago, when those Muhammad’s followers invaded & destroyed our old civilization, at the same time riding off our & similar ancient successful nations’ achievements to create a so called Golden Age for some centuries before they ran out of other civilizations to cannibalize & Golden Age ended.
The council had also condemned Steven Spielberg’s Schindler’s List, saying it was pro-Zionist, as though its own anti-Semitic stance was admirable.
Again, hatred of Israel & Jews is something which all the Iranians who still choose to remain Muslim share, many in my generation go the opposite way-they call themselves Zionist Crusaders! 😉
In Indonesia, the more religious folks that I saw also seemed to hate the Joos & America strongly, infact degree of religiosity can well be predicted by extent of hatred for the West-or in other Muslem countries, substitute the West with Israel, India, Sunni Iraq, Thais, Filipinos, Chinese, Russians etc!
Islam has created a self sustaining biosphere of conspiracy theories, xenophobic hatred & censorship to delay its death, this might continue for undesirable periods of time unfortunately.
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Fawzia Iran’s doomsday surely arrived when that old creep the ayatollah came to power. The Shah did great things for his country.
Oigal I always find it strange the way people hide behind phoney names. It’s fine if you are only in it for a wind-up, but why not nail your colours to the masthead?
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As I said, it’s only half-a-pseudonym, though I confess – the word “dog” does not appear in my passport… Do you want to buy me a beer Ross?
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To each his own, but one to many nutters and coward out there for my peace of mind..although if someone really wanted a round or two for a pound or two not really that difficult is it.
And mine is not a Pseudonym, just not the one on the passport 🙂
By the way Ross, no doubt the Religious Hardliners brought no joy to Iran (do they anywhere?) but the Shah was hardly a model ruler unless you like police states, secret police and cronyism and all that goes with it including eventual revolution.
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Hi Ross,
Fawzia Iran’s doomsday surely arrived when that old creep the ayatollah came to power. The Shah did great things for his country.
Well, the Shah did do some great stuff, he was somewhat corrupt too, although not as corrupt as Islamic apologists like to claim he was, in order to whitewash the Islamic extremism which followed his fall. He was about as corrupt as the rulers of most third world nations, whether democratic or undemocratic, usually are. Philippines & Indonesia’s elected Governments are as corrupt.
That old creep, that ayatollah only came to power because Islam invaded millennia ago & the population subsequently converted en masse to the vile faith.
In multiple Muslim nations like Jordan & Morocco even today, opinion polls show that a majority of Muslims would love to live under Shariah-& the rulers instituted by the West are far more liberal than their subjects on most issues.
Its thanks to such farsighter rulers(& the Shah of Iran too) that these countries slowly advance rights of women & secret apostates & apatheists.
However, should the opposition garner enough support at any time, all these rights would vanish in seconds.
That wouldn’t be due to whichever Ayatollah\Sheikh\Mufti who managed to seize power, but due to the force of Islamic beliefs.
However, these are phases through which nations invaded by Muslims pass, after which hopefully they’ll see Islam for what it truly is like.
First there is little knowledge of Islam & thus a generally tolerant, syncretic religion. Much of Java is at this fortunate first stage.
Then Islam spreads its tentacles, there’s extremism, terrible violence & extremist movements like what happened in Iran & is happening in Pakistan, Aceh etc today.Muftis & Ayatollahs garner support by blaming whichever one or all of the innumerable global enemies of Islam they can.
Finally a widespread disillusionment with Islam sets in, & people learn to recognize Islam for what it truly is.
I see that many of my friends of my generation have quit Islam.
Self hating Western Islamophiles can slow this enlightenment by blaming Islamic extremism on everything apart from Islam & negating or excusing all the violence, death & destruction in Islam’s history, & family pressure may stop some Muslims from apostatizing but they can’t stop the process indefinitely.
When I compare Iranian Muslims I know with the members of the pre Islamic Zoroastrian religion or members of the 19th century Bahai faith-who form tiny minorities in Iran, I see how impossible it would be for any Ayatollah style theocrat to come to power in Iran had members of these enlightened religions been the majority population.
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By the way Ross, no doubt the Religious Hardliners brought no joy to Iran (do they anywhere?) but the Shah was hardly a model ruler unless you like police states, secret police and cronyism and all that goes with it including eventual revolution.
The Shah was as good or as bad as most third world rulers & especially Islamic rulers get.
Tough policing is neccessary to avoid any Islamic extremism, extremists have siezed power in way too many lethargic states, or at least caused terrible death & destruction ie Algeria.
Many of the moderately successful Islamic states-Morocco, Jordan, Tunisia, Syria etc succeed via this sort of tough measures.
Cronyism, nepotism & corruption have worsened under the theocrats, they keep the population sticking to the regime with stories of evil Joos, Israel, Western Evangelicals & Mahdis, while storing away money for their descendants. 😉
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Odinius says:
Shah = bad
Ayatollah = worseThere, I summed it up real nice n’ purdy for y’all.
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The Shah wasn’t really bad, although he was certainly no Singaporean Lee Kuan Yew, but then Iran doesn’t really have the East Asian work ethic,devoted leadership, obedience to authority or culture either. Iran in terms of size too is pretty big, its not as easy to run it like tiny Singapore.
Also, for all the Islamic apologists who’d like to blame everything on colonization, Iran wasn’t ever colonized.
The Shah was decent, often tried hard, and was often selfish & selfish & self serving. Much like the theocrats running Iran now.
Khomeini was batshit crazy.
Some of the stuff he taught & the revolution instituted don’t even belong to past centuries, they belong to an Islamic lunatic asylum.
Some of his wishdom. 🙂
“A woman may legally belong to a man in one of two ways; by continuing marriage or temporary marriage. In the former, the duration of the marriage need not be specified; in the latter, it must be stipulated, for example, that it is for a period of an hour, a day, a month, a year, or more.”
“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”
“A father or a paternal grandfather has the right to marry off a child who is insane or has not reached puberty by acting as its representative. The child may not annul such a marriage after reaching puberty or regaining his sanity, unless the marriage is to his manifest disadvantage.”
“Any girl who is of age, that is, capable of understanding what is in her own best interest, if she wishes to get married and is a virgin, must procure the authorization of her father or paternal grandfather. The permission of her mother or brother is not required.”
“A Moslem woman may not marry a non-Moslem man; nor may a Moslem man marry a non-Moslem woman in continuing marriage, but he may take a Jewish or Christian woman in temporary marriage.”
“A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfillment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so.”
“A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.”
“If a man who has married a girl who has not reached puberty possesses her sexually before her ninth birthday, inflicting traumatisms upon her, he has no right to repeat such an act with her.”
“A man who has contracted a continuing marriage may not leave his wife for so long a time as to allow her to question the validity of the marriage; however, he is not obligated to spend one night out of every four with her.”
“If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.”
“To look upon the face and hair of a girl who has not reached puberty, if it is done without intention of enjoyment thereof, and if one is not afraid of succumbing to temptation, may be tolerated. It is however recommended that one not look upon her belly or thighs, which must remain covered.”
“To look upon the faces and hands of Jewish or Christian women, if this is not done with intention of enjoyment thereof, and if one does not fear temptation, is tolerated.”
“A woman must hide her body and her hair from the eyes of men. It is highly recommended that she also hide them from those of prepubic boys, if she suspects that they may look upon her with lust.”
“If a man is called upon, for medical reasons, to look upon a woman other than his wife and to touch her body, he is permitted to do so,but if he can give such care by only looking at the body he must not touch it, and if he can give it by only touching, he must not look at it.”
“A woman who becomes pregnant as a result of adultery must not have an abortion. If a man commits adultery with an unmarried woman, and subsequently marries her, the child born of that marriage will be a bastard unless the parents can be sure it was conceived after they were married.”
“A woman temporarily married, say, for a month or a year, has her marriage automatically annulled at the end of that time, or at any other time when the husband releases her from the balance of her engagement. It is not necessary for this that there be any witnesses, or that the woman have had her period.”
“A woman who has not yet reached the age of nine or a menopausal woman may remarry immediately after divorce, without waiting the hundred days that are otherwise required.”
“A woman who has had her ninth birthday, or who has not yet entered menopause, must wait for three menstrual periods after her divorce before being allowed to remarry. If a woman who has not reached her ninth birthday or who has not entered menopause gets temporarily married, she must, at the end of the contract or when the husband has released her from part of it, wait two menstrual periods or forty-five days before marrying again.”
“If the father or paternal grandfather of a boy has him marry a woman for a temporary marriage, he may prematurely cancel it in the boy’s interest, even if the marriage was contracted before the boy reached the age of puberty. If, for example, a fourteen-year-old boy has been married off to a woman for a period of two years, they may return her freedom to the woman before this time has run its course; but a continuing marriage cannot be broken in this way.”
“If a man repudiates his wife without informing her of it, and continues to meet her expenses for a period of, say, a year, and at the end of that time informs her that he got a divorce a year earlier and shows her proof of it, he may require that she return to him anything he has bought or given her during that time, provided that she has not used it up or consumed it, in which case he cannot demand its return.”
I can’t think of any Zoroastrians or Bahais of Iran coming up with this shyte.
Btw, this man also wrote Sufi poetry! 😉
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rima says:
I Heart Fawzia!
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Just outa bed, so the last thing I wish to do is buy beer. But I owe you one, timdog. whoever you may be.
I once had to look out for some Iranian students in the UK back in the early 70s, and asked them about their monarch. Only one of a dozen favoured ending tthe monarchy, and he was in favour of a republic, not a religious despotism. They were all Muslims – I didn’t ask them, simply noted that they observed prayer times.
Alas, Carter was in the White House and as ever he was rooting for America’s enemies. Denying support for the Shah when he needed it most, he ensured the collapse of a major Western ally. Whether this was a calculated objective or simply stupidity is of course open to debate, but it was pretty clear that removing the Shah would not result in Westminster parliamentary democracy in Iran, so I tend to go for the former theory.
Carter of course has since revealed himself as a raving anti-Zionist, happy to line up with the Jew-baiting governments of the Middle East. Getting a wierdo regime in Tehran must have seemed a shrewd move if your sim is to destabilise the region to Israel’s disadvantage. -
Jimmy Carter?
He was history’s greatest monster.
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Just the usual furor about not much. (dont want to be forgotten, do we boys?)
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There has been a shortage of posting on issues like the kpk controversy, so at least on this thread there is some debate going on. Can’t let Patung down, can we?
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Hi Ross,
I once had to look out for some Iranian students in the UK back in the early 70s, and asked them about their monarch. Only one of a dozen favoured ending tthe monarchy, and he was in favour of a republic, not a religious despotism. They were all Muslims – I didn’t ask them, simply noted that they observed prayer times.
As I said before, the Shah did some wrong stuff, & wasn’t selflessly concerned with his nation in the way South Korean or Singaporean leaders of the era were, but then the Mid East isn’t East Asia. By the standards of the region over which he was ruling, he was far from Satan’s spawn, and while undoubtedly some were dissatisfied with him, quite a few were satisfied & saw their standard of living improve, were able to be a part of the globalized economy for the first time, more important saw their daughters educated for the first time.
The problem which happened in Iran, & which happens time & again in Islamic nations is the unfortunate belief that “Islam is the solution.”. So if things are going less than perfectly, then automatically all political, religious, social & educational ills will vanish by magic should the population live according to true Islamic principles, whatever they are. And even those who wanted a Republic, chances are that they would want Islamic values to play a far bigger role in it than whatever the Shah had envisaged.
And Iran then was far more devout than it is now, at least now many have learnt to see Islamic solutions for what they are.
The belief that Islam is the solution is of course a mirage, rather like the belief that Communism is the solution. Nation after nation which have tried to solve their manifold problems via Islam as their sole source of identity-from Iran & Pakistan to Somalia & Mauritania, or even as the most important source of identity have faced violence, misogyny, economic decline & turbulence.
However Islam being 1400 years old & not just a century old like Communism & Islam offering a supposed perfect solution not only in this life but also in the Afterlife, it refuses to give way easily. So if Islamic solutions have failed to work, for many nations, the problem isn’t in Islam itself-but in one of the many enemies, Western colonizations(they don’t mention Islamic imperialism & Ottoman colonizations), Western interference, Joos & Zionists controlling the world, wicked Hindus for South Asian Muslims, wicked Iraqi Sunnis for Iranian Shias, Thai Buddhists, Filipino Catholics, hard working Chinese in Indo-Malaysia controlling the economy,inability to read Arabic, general Islamophobia in the world, Evangelical Christians bent on destroying the faith… you name it.
Thus the solution is often not looking to non Muslim nations & what they’re doing right, the solution is collectively hating Jews(or Hindus, Sunnis, Shias, Ahmadiyyas etc), learning Arabic instead of Mandarin,German or Japanese, encouraging or compelling women to veil etc. And of course, reading & re reading the Quran produces more intolerance & primitive attitudes & enhances the Muslim belief that they’re Allah’s chosen people & barbarian Jews, Christians & idolators have nothing to teach them & no right to do better than them in this life.
Western Islamophiles, my pet hate, are a huge part of the problem-instead of offering Muslims a way out of this morass by showing other solutions that don’t neccessarily come out of Islam & the Quran, they’d sympathize with Muslim humiliation & let Muslims luxuriate in their false beliefs.
Islam as a solution simply doesn’t have the Western Christian work ethic or individualistic conception of rights, nor does it have the East Asian work ethic & ability to sacrifice for the nation, it has endless tribalism, misogyny, medievalism & upheavals.
Just look at Pakistan or Aceh today… oh but as the Muslims & Islamophiles would say, thats not real Islam & only if they followed real Islam, things would be Utopian… 😉
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Back to the movie, so it tonight..clever special effects, really sad dialogue and about 40 minutes to long. Wait for the DVD.
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yeah i saw it too tonight just came back thinking the same as you do oigal what a sad sappy story line damn!! really, the folks that got upset about this one really need to get a life, i’m pretty sure none of them seen it. you better go watch that paranormal activities movie when it hits the theaters here, i got it from a buddy of mine in holland they made it for like 4000 dollars and i’m pretty sure many indonesians are going to be really freaked out when they’ll see it, funny, just like that movie primer that was made with a simular budget, one of the more clever movies i’ve seen.. had a really good time watching the new adam sandler too this week…
pretty interesting what fawzia is writing by the way….
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