Cultural Diversity
Jan 30th, 2008, in News, by PatungThe PKS broadens its electoral and cultural horizons, in Bali.
The Islamist political party, Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (Justice Party, PKS), holds its national meeting in Sanur, Bali in early February, spread over three lovely hotel locations, Grand Bali Beach, Sanur Beach, and Sanur Paradise Plaza, bringing about 2,000 participants from Jakarta and the provinces, led by parliament chairman Hidayat Nurwahid.
The head of the organising committee, H. Mudjiono, says the PKS plans to hold discussions with local Balinese cultural figures, and pay some visits to Hindu temples, partly to show that despite being known as a strictly Islamic party, and the main sponsor of the anti-pornography and indecency law (RUU APP), the PKS is not hostile to traditional Balinese culture at all, and in fact is no longer a purely Islamic party, but a party based on the slogan:
Rise up Indonesia, there is still hope.
And a party which is primarily focused on increasing general prosperity, creating jobs, and ensuring security, all in the interests of attaining a 20% share in the 2009 elections, or about 110 seats, thereby joining the “big league” of political parties. beritabali
February 1st 2008. A PKS leader, Heri Sukarmeni, said in Bali that the party was open to receive non-Muslim members.
Non-Muslims could even become party officials.
However the party would remain ideologically Islamic, he said. tempo
PKS president, Tifatul Sembiring, said on 11th February that his party was not “open” and remained founded on Islam. He said the push to open the party to non-Muslims came from party members in such places as Papua, Nusa Tenggara Timur and Bali, where Muslims are a minority, and would have to be discussed at a Party senior council meeting later. He suggested that if non-Muslims did want to join then it meant they embraced Islam. okezone
47 Comments on “Cultural Diversity”
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Teng says:
I think the PKS is a Wolf in sheep’s clothing. I didn’t trust them when they were the PK, I didn’t trust them when they were PKS… and I sure as hell won’t trust them when they seek “support” with Bali.
Just means to reach enough power to push their agenda
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sri says:
No place in Bali for these ratbags.
What they preach is no secret in the modern world, hopefully they leave their thugs at home. -
Bogalakon says:
However, PKS is better than any new-order rubbish party. Voting for PDI-P, Golkar, PPP is just nothing but supporting the parliament in extravagant lifestyle. I voted for PKS in 2004, and I’m grateful not to see PKS fellow caught on porn video tape like Yahya Zaini. The reason why most people in Jakarta and Bandung voted for PKS is because PKS offer prosperity while Nothing can be offered by Golkar except pornography
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dewaratugedeanom says:
Buset, tak tahu malu mereka. First they try to shove their RUU APP – the joke of the century – down our throats, and now they come to play taqiyya on Bali’s soil to get more votes in the 2009 elections.
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The PKS is becoming a regular Indonesian political party and hungry for power. They do whatever it takes to get more votes. Once they’ve joined the big league of political parties they will enforce their Islamic agenda to the full. Damn, they’re so predictable!
The Balinese will have to sit out and play host to the PKS national meeting and than forget about them immediately.
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Once they’ve joined the big league of political parties they will enforce their Islamic agenda to the full. Damn, they’re so predictable!
US has Church and State issues right? So this would be Indonesia’s Mosque and State issue? While the constitution does protect religious freedom of worship, isn’t it supposed to protect secularism? Okay, maybe we should thoroughly establish secularism in Indonesia then?
Nah, don’t think we should. Except you want Indonesians behaving like savages, killing, and burning people on the streets. They’re not ready, they’re still hungry.
As stupid as this may sound, but typical Indonesians actually behave like sheeps to religious figures. They obey them, and they’re hungry. Religion is still this nation’s most effective social control, aside from the law enforcement and the constitution.You cannot expect every Indonesian (at this period.) to have become spiritually and intellectually evolved into Kant’s Moral Theory. Not when they’re still hungry.
For anyone who ever rant on the Muslim Indonesians (and being anonymous), please remember this fact each time you comment: There are non-Muslim Indonesians on this nation, do not forget about their well-being on this nation. And please know that people could visit sites like Indonesia Matters, copy/paste some feisty stuffs, add some manipulative juice, and forward them to easily intimidated, hungry, people.
Let PKS do whatever they want, true people’s democracy will take stand.
Being an Indonesian, I must have faith in my own people. Be it a Hinduist, a Christian, or a Muslim. I must have faith in them. Maybe you all here should too.PS: Pardon my naivete, and the English, kinda in a hurry when typing this.
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@Marisa
Okay, maybe we should thoroughly establish secularism in Indonesia then?
Not in Indonesia but in the Constitution of Indonesia. Everybody should be free to practise their religion of choice or to practise no religion at all. As long as everybody is operating within the boundaries of the law.
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Except you want Indonesians behaving like savages, killing, and burning people on the streets. They’re not ready, they’re still hungry.
C’mon Marisa, you can do better than that.
Check out the video’s in the thread Ramadan Fasting.
If they behave like that because they’re hungry then they should stop fasting.And please stop the crap about hungry Indonesians. This is Nusantara, not the Sahel or some godforsaken desert. Colonizers trampled on each other to have a go at Indonesia’s abundance of fertile soil and you are whining about hunger. Come and have look here in Bali. If you think those thousands of temples were build on empty stomachs, think again. Look at the tons of food which are on display in offerings at even the smallest of temple ceremonies.
There are non-Muslim Indonesians on this nation, do not forget about their well-being on this nation.
That’s exactly what their agenda is all about. Intimidation, intimidation, intimidation. If you think that by yielding to intimidation the non-Muslims are going to be safe then you’re in for some nasty surprises. I bet you are one of those people who would spare the Bali bombers for fear of retaliation by fundamentalist thugs. So long justice.
For anyone who ever rant on the Muslim Indonesians (and being anonymous)”¦
Are you a pupil of Yusril Ihza Mahendra?
Btw, your former gravatars were sexier. 🙂
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Btw, your former gravatars were sexier.
O, I see you changed it again.
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Oigal says:
people could visit sites like Indonesia Matters, copy/paste some feisty stuffs, add some manipulative juice, and forward them to easily intimidated, hungry, people.
Did you catch this Assmad, valid point that has been made before to you.
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Achmad Sudarsono says:
Oigs, thanks for sharing.
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And please stop the crap about hungry Indonesians. This is Nusantara, not the Sahel or some godforsaken desert. Colonizers trampled on each other to have a go at Indonesia’s abundance of fertile soil and you are whining about hunger. Come and have look here in Bali. If you think those thousands of temples were build on empty stomachs, think again. Look at the tons of food which are on display in offerings at even the smallest of temple ceremonies.
Not hungry, just literally hungry, but also metaphorically hungry.
Not food only in a literal sense. Then again, the opposite of hunger is not food.
Uhm, any philosophist in the house? Someone who could elaborate the philosophical meaning of *hungry* to dewaratugedeanom?Maybe this quote will do.
War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today.
– JFKAnd of course, another man’s terrorist is another man’s hero.
I bet you are one of those people who would spare the Bali bombers for fear of retaliation by fundamentalist thugs. So long justice.
No, I wouldn’t. But I might be one of those people who (intended to) explore the facts which might prove that such acts of religious extremism were most likely to be triggered. By being psychologically imbalanced, or physically unhealthy, or intelectually restrained, or spiritually under seize, ..hungry, and loosing hope, except for the one promised in the heavens. *That* is the problem. Not the religion itself.
Religion is merely a justified device. Spirituality is always another case.Why not take time to have a comparative study between Indonesia’s Jihadist extremists with, for instance, USA’s Ku Klux Klan, or Hitler’s Mein Kampf? I’m sure there are many other similar cases that would explain a lot of religious (or religiously-influenced political) extremism throughout history of humankind. How does each one resolutes? How does a particular civilization finally stepped forward?
Yes, these study cases are enough to make use of each as an intellectual round of ammunition in yet-another-debate battlefield between A and B, but rarely as a creative solution based on good nature and common grounds.If justice is all about A versus B, and A making sure A wins, and B making sure B wins. Then yes, so long justice. How about inventing another element of the system, the one that observes and able to perceive these series of circumstances in Indonesia for the last fifty years as a civilization on its own evolution? In high speed.
(Oh god, big heavy heavy words.)
Maybe in that way, we could prevent the worse things from happening, and encourage the better things to flourish.
I am not saying that IM should adapt to that concept, because I personally respect IM *as it is*, and yes, being constructive one one side can suggest being deconstructive on another.O, I see you changed it again.
It’s that IM’s cache thingie! The cybernetics may have chosen the sexier gravatar all by itself, ..dayum, it has a free will. I’m flattered.
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I cannot trust PKS, not even one bit.
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@Marisa,
Humans are searching for answers in concepts such as religion, spirituality or ideology because the human brain and self-awareness are limited in understanding life and reality. This process is always in motion and will never stop. The questions need to be asked again and again. It’s human nature. All humans are equal but not the same. An US citizen living and working in Silicon Valley is not the same as an orang Mentawai, living in the dense jungle of Siberut. Hence cultural diversity.
The answers given by religion, spirituality or ideology are to fulfill their own needs only but unfortunately some humans tend to think these answers are also applicable to other humans who are subject to the reality of different surroundings, social values, mindsets evolved from their own religious beliefs and questions. This tendency has nasty effects such as racism, lust for power, intolerance, bigotry, violence, you name it. The examples are there for us to see especially in the Americas where pribumi Native American culture has all but disappeared in favour of a culture based on white supremacy and Christianity. The same thing is happening in Muslim-majority nations where an Islam, based on an Arab Wahabbi mindset and culture of 1400 years ago, is slowly but surely erasing local cultures and habits.
If the PKS is happy with its own beliefs, good for them. But let them stay away from people who are not interested in their message and didn’t ask for it. It’s laughable and disturbing at the same time. The PKS is not interested in Balinese culture and religion at all, they’re just looking for votes. When they have enough votes and are in power they will enforce their Islamist agenda and will come back to Bali to curtail Balinese culture and religion. These guys are not to be trusted.
For anyone who ever rant on the Muslim Indonesians (and being anonymous), please remember this fact each time you comment: There are non-Muslim Indonesians on this nation, do not forget about their well-being on this nation. And please know that people could visit sites like Indonesia Matters, copy/paste some feisty stuffs, add some manipulative juice, and forward them to easily intimidated, hungry, people
People will get provoked if they want to, they don’t need IM for that. A simple rumour or gossip spread by an agent provocateur just passing by can easily set a whole kampung on fire. What’s the point of discussing on this blog if we must impose self-censure in order to prevent retaliation and intimidation? I won’t rant on a Muslim or any other person if he or she respects and accepts me and others but I won’t surrender and will fight intolerance and hatred otherwise we better call it a day immediately and accept defeat.
Marisa, I think you’re a nice person and have a good heart but I think you’re indeed somewhat naive. Anyway thanks for your comment.
Greetz and peace.
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Someone who could elaborate the philosophical meaning of *hungry* to dewaratugedeanom?
Marisa, I’m hungry for love.
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I think you’re a nice person and have a good heart but I think you’re indeed somewhat naive.
Mwahah!, now you sound like my ex boyfriend.
Marisa, I’m hungry for love.
Come visit the Journal blog, dewaratugedeanom, lotsa lotsa loooove in there. Num num num..
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Mwahah!, now you sound like my ex boyfriend.
I feel flattered, considering your age (25) and mine (39) 😎
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Pakmantri says:
U wenst ………… indien of ik zeggen goed voor u mijnheer Lairedion! Ha ha …. 😀
Salam.
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😆 😆 😆
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Num num num..
Hmmm, sounds kinky.
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Yeah, go knock yourselves out.
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U wenst “¦”¦”¦”¦ indien of ik zeggen goed voor u mijnheer Lairedion!
Moi petit nègre, moi rien comprendre.
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Yeah, go knock yourselves out.
Marisa darling, when a beautiful woman starts using foul language what else is there to say but “sois belle et tais-toi” ?
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Djoko says:
I think all parties have come to the same conclusion – the Golkar model of all inclusiveness is the most effective in obtaining votes. Considering some were calling for it to be disbanded after 1998, the fact that Golkar became (once again) the largest party in parliament just 6 years after the beginning of reformasi is testament to what good political actors they are. The PKS opening up spots for non-Muslim legislators is essentially the same as what secular parties are doing in the opposite direction: the PDIP’s creation of the Baitul Muslimin, PD’s slogans about being ‘religious nationalists’.
What will be interesting is how this tactic turns out for PKS, as the other two Islamic parties who have tried this – PKB and PAN – have had mixed results. PKB has been successful in putting out an image of being an open party for all, but when push comes to shove the vast majority (if not almost all) of its votes are from NU followers. So its not really much of a success to speak of. While PAN has pretty much failed miserably, failing to get support as either a Muhammadiyah party (most of those either going to PKS or Golkar) or as an inclusive nationalist party. Seeing as PKS doesn’t have a mass-based organisation to prop it up as PKB does, it is quite possible it could go the way of PAN in the next elections, unless the Golkar-style party machinery it has kicks into gear effectively.
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Lairedion says:
U wenst “¦”¦”¦”¦ indien of ik zeggen goed voor u mijnheer Lairedion!
Moi petit nègre, moi rien comprendre
I could translate it for you but I’ll give Pakmantri all the honors…
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take_side says:
An excerpt from the article in Tempo website (see the links at the end of this blog entry):
Ia menampik jika masuknya kader non muslim ke tubuh partai akan membuat ideologi partai berubah. Partai Keadilan Sejahtara, lanjutnya, tetap berideologi Islam.
Translation:
He declined (the speculation) that having non-moslem members in the party would alter the party’s ideology. The ideology of PKS will remain islam.
See? Those islamists are just crooks, liars, menghalalkan segala cara, machiavellians. Indonesia is spiraling down, mostly because of those craps with corrupted mind (and trying to infect others), who are eager to destroy indonesian indigenous identity from inside, in their attempt to replace it with something as foreign as islamism.
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dewaratugedeanom Says:
February 4th, 2008 at 1:06 pmU wenst “¦”¦”¦”¦ indien of ik zeggen goed voor u mijnheer Lairedion!
Moi petit nègre, moi rien comprendre.
vous souhaitez …………. ou devoir je dis bon pour vous, Lairedion de Monsieur!
You wish ………… or should I say good for you mister Lairedion!
Selamat berkhayal …………. atau munkin harus saya katakan selamat kang Lairedion!
Salam. 🙂
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@Dewaratugedeanom:
Sing ken-ken bli ……………… 😀
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@Pakmantri
Was het maar waar hè….. of moet ik zeggen goed voor je meneer Lairedion!
However good effort, Pakmantri! Dutch grammatica is ridiculously difficult.
I think you’re a nice person and have a good heart but I think you’re indeed somewhat naive.
Mwahah!, now you sound like my ex boyfriend.
If I was Marisa’s (ex-)boyfriend I wouldn’t have said this but I probably talked dirty to her…. 😈
Speaking of her, did she follow dewaratugedeanom’s last advice “sois belle et tais-toi” ?
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Interesting development…. I live in Turkey and can see many parallels between Indonesia’s PKS and the Turkish AKP (Justice and Development Party), which is at pains to present itself to the outside world as pro-development, and the champion of the aspirant middle classes, not as a backward/hardline Muslim party. And it’s worked for them so far..
i wonder how successful the PKS will be in appealing to those who don’t vote on the Islam/conservatism ticket?