23 Comments on “Miss Indonesia”

1. trane says:

   February 1, 2008 at 6:00 pm

   “Indonesia was already known as the number two country in the world for pornography and immorality, he said”

   Number two for pornography and immorality… How do they keep scores on such things? Do they upkeep an index like Gross Domestic Sin, or something?

2. Lairedion says:

   February 2, 2008 at 1:29 am

   I wonder who is number 1. That would be my next destination. 😈

3. Sylvester says:

   February 2, 2008 at 5:39 am

   Hypocrite extremists. Islamic hardliners is 1000x more dangerous than syphilis.

4. odjongono says:

   February 2, 2008 at 10:14 pm

   And the best way to reduce syphilis outbreak is poligamy…(????)
   So lets stop Miss Indonesia Contest and replace it with Poligamy Contest!

5. Toni says:

   February 3, 2008 at 11:54 am

   The Governor of South Sumatra decision was one of a reflection that many public officials in this country are scared with the radicalization of Islam. He is “chicken”, that’s what I can say.
   For MUI, Golkar, and PKS : stop being moral police as if you clean from rampant corruption. I’m sick of them.

6. Pakmantri says:

   February 3, 2008 at 12:24 pm

   Mahmud Jamrur, said:

   We oppose the holding of the Miss Indonesia contest in South Sumatra because it is against Islamic law, as set out in the MUI fatwa 287 of 2001, which forbids pornography and indecency.

   And yet MUI chairman Drs KH Sodikun said:

   Indonesia was already known as the number two country in the world for pornography and immorality

   Hemm, is Sodikun saying that nobody listen to nor care about MUI anyway………………….? 🙁
   Maybe he should change his name to Sodpikun!! 😀

7. dewaratugedeanom says:

   February 3, 2008 at 7:57 pm

   Just move the contest to another area.

   Bring on the nubiles! 😀

8. goobers says:

   February 3, 2008 at 8:49 pm

   Sylvester said:

   Hypocrite extremists. Islamic hardliners is 1000x more dangerous than syphilis.

   Agree!!!!!

9. Sputjam says:

   February 4, 2008 at 9:04 am

   Syphilis, genorhea, it is all treatable. However, no vaccine will be able to cure islamic religionist of their hypocrisy.
   The japanese men are not considered as such until he has suffered genorhea. Why? Probably because they understand what a women feels like when menstruating.

   Cheers.

10. Rambutan says:

    February 4, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Sipilis” appears to be an acronym for sekularisme, pluralisme [agama], dan liberalisme

    Brilliant! That made me laugh! Very creative.

11. ecky says:

    February 4, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    They won’t allowed the Grand Final of Miss Indonesia 2008, but they keep the prostitution.. ehm… smart move.

12. Arema says:

    February 5, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Hypocrite extremists. Islamic hardliners is 1000x more dangerous than syphilis.

    Not quite true… a BILLION times more dangerous sounds to be a more closer number to what happens in real life.

    “Sipilis” appears to be an acronym for sekularisme, pluralisme [agama], dan liberalisme, and is based on another MUI fatwa, the one condemning Religious Pluralism, Liberalism, and Secularism, from 2005.

    I know Indonesians always come up with easy acronym to remember, but this one… horrible. Another example for such horrible acronym is petrus = penembak misterius.

    And to think that they rejected [religious] pluralism so blatantly, it means that they betray our Pancasila!

    I took the definition below from Wikipedia:
    Religious pluralism is a loosely defined term concerning peaceful relations between different religions…. As a synonym for religious tolerance, which is a condition of harmonious co-existence between adherents of different religions or religious denominations

    So what now…? no inter-religion tolerance…? I remember this subject was repeated for countless number times in PPKn, so maybe it’s time for Depdikbud to revise the curriculum ? *j/k*

    The fact that government (especially Departemen Agama) is just staying silent over this, showing that how bias they are. Imagine if a Christian group saying the same thing, I think as soon as they did that, their days are numbered.

13. Janma says:

    February 5, 2008 at 11:14 am

    What kind of secular government even HAS a bloody Department of Religion???!!!

14. Murphy says:

    February 5, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Er… Indonesia government is not secular, Bu Janma. The first principle of the country is, believe it or not, Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa.

    But come to think of that the US government is not secular either. “In God We Trust”, they wrote on every coins. “So help me God”, they said when a government officer took oath.

    I’m rambling, I know.

15. Janma says:

    February 5, 2008 at 11:56 am

    hmmm… I thought secular government means that religious institutions are seperate from the state, not that God isn’t mentioned in the constitution.

    In wiki…. “In one sense, secularism may assert the freedom of religion, and freedom from the government imposition of religion upon the people, within a state that is neutral on matters of belief, and gives no state privileges or subsidies to religions. (See also Separation of church and state and Laïcité.) In another sense, it refers to a belief that human activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be based on evidence and fact rather than religious influence.”

    As for the US, * Early America Review » Summer 97 Little-Known U.S. Document Signed by President Adams Proclaims America’s Government Is Secular by Jim Walker*

    “A few Christian fundamentalists attempt to convince us to return to the Christianity of early America, yet according to the historian, Robert T. Handy, “No more than 10 percent– probably less– of Americans in 1800 were members of congregations.”

    The Founding Fathers, also, rarely practiced Christian orthodoxy. Although they supported the free exercise of any religion, they understood the dangers of religion. Most of them believed in deism and attended Freemasonry lodges. According to John J. Robinson, “Freemasonry had been a powerful force for religious freedom.” Freemasons took seriously the principle that men should worship according to their own conscious. Masonry welcomed anyone from any religion or non-religion, as long as they believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette, and many others accepted Freemasonry.

    The Constitution reflects the founders views of a secular government, protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “the idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.”

    In Indonesia although Tuhan Mahaesa and religion are important, so is the concept of unity and ‘one nation’. A secular government depends upon finding some other focus of communal identity and solidarity than religious faith. The secular law in a country like the United Kingdom is made possible by territorial jurisdiction, and the territory in question is defined by permeable but historically vindicated national boundaries. The political culture is a culture of the home and the homeland, rather than the faith and the faithful. Its a principle of a conception of national history and national identity which promotes mutual trust and solidarity between neighbors.

    That doesn’t mean I’m saying that’s what Indonesia has, but surely that is/was the goal of satu bangsa, bangsa Indonesia?

16. Murphy says:

    February 5, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Janma, I was half-joking when I said the US government is not secular. Of course they are; sometimes more than their European brethren. But from time to time the Americans put people like GWB at the helm and I was reminded again that the passenger in the Mayflower mostly were the puritans that escaped from the liberalised Europe. But for all practical purposes; yes, US Government is secular. No doubt about it.

    For Indonesia case, I would not expect the government to be truly secular; simply because the people of Indonesia are not secular (yet). I’m talking about majority here. In a democracy, a government is just the reflection of its people, yes?

    The previous leaders of this country (yes, including Suharto) did a good job when instilling a sense of nationhood to millions of people who speak 300+ language and live in 6000+ islands. Especially when you compare with Malaysia and Singapore. Yet, I doubt these leaders can do it without convincing Indonesians that the government will spend equivalent amount of money on people’s physical well being and their spiritual, a.k.a religious, well being. I learned somewhere that the “Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa” is the founding father’s compromise between a truly secular Indonesia and an Islamic one when both are not practical in Indonesia

    For next election, one party should try a campaign platform based on “building a truly secular Indonesia” and see how far can they get.

17. falcon says:

    February 6, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Politicians see female as an object and not as intelligent human beings. Politicians mouth and mind is somehow disconnected. We should wonder when their minds is really at work.

18. Saipul says:

    February 11, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Depag (Department of Religion) is the most pathetic of the country’s ministries. Actually I wouldn’t be opposed to it if it really served its purpose, which would be to work with all religions. But according to the department’s own statistics, 96% of its employees are Muslim, compared to 85% among the Indonesian population. Less than 2% are Christian, compared to 11% among the general population. So we know what their true purpose is.

19. rika says:

    February 28, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    I was laughing, when the discussion about rejecting “Miss Indonesia” contest in Palembang has gone to far. I am born in Palembang, and I know most Palembang people are moslem. But most of them will not care about any action that government does. It is only organizations that have to stand on their view. Who speak louder do not mean that they represent most of Palembang people.
    So, apart from being secular or not, I agree with Governor who has stood behind his majority people. He knows what he is doing. He only did not have “referendum” to ask all the people whether they agree or not. I know him quite well, I know that he likes to take quick and risky decision, but it is for his people, not for you that come from other world.
    Especially, for the people who has attack Islam as religion lately, I am sure you do not realize what you have done, since you see only the hard liner of moslem. After 21 years, studying, working and having relationship with people around the world, I think that we, as Palembang moslems have not changed anything. We never hate, kill, and colonize people.
    I agree with some one says that, the real democracy is for representing most people in one area. I believe, our governor as a drummer, artist and engineer also does not mind if the contest will take place in Palembang, if majority of the people are not moslem and agree with the contest.

20. Ivada says:

    May 1, 2008 at 12:07 am

    It sounds indeed very hypocrite if pornography is forbidden. I think the extrimist muslims are 1000x more dangerous than the pornography. PEACE…

21. Anak medan says:

    May 13, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    As my side, Porn is not a crime… Just wondering when the government will make some sex study curriculum in all school stage.
    That’s in my side. because there some business that we can do in the side. let said, japan. I thing you know about government income from All Great Model such as Leah Dizon, etc.

    That’s all.. I’m waiting for the moment.

    Regards.

22. sonia says:

    May 24, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I”M SUPPORT MISS INDONESIA 2008. Because it can make us improve our country more better. I hope the new Miss Indonesia can do something useful. thanks

23. Dashman says:

    November 9, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    To solve the problems of a nation is not by diverting the serious matters at hand to a rediculous issue created by the wicked (when supposed to be honorable) leaders of the nation.

    You can’t even solve the poverty problem of the nation you morons. You can’t even get rid of the spreaded disease commonly called as “corruption” you hypocrites. You think you can clean your lewdness by making your moves in the name of religion? You got to be kidding yourselves evilheads.

    Stop all the nonsense mr. G man. You think you can hide your iniquity from God by pretending you are people of good virtues. Understand this mr. G man, that continues spit from hell mud problem you are facing (or you don’t even care anymore?) was not a result of bad luck. It’s God’s way of telling you idiots if you don’t stop stealing money, you’ll all end up in the drowning pool of eternal burning lava.

    So, I say it again mr. G man, stop all the nonsense and solve the problems of the nation from top to bottom. That is to say, (if you’re too stupid to understand) start the change from within yourselves. Even the U.S.A. needs a change, get it knuckleheads?