The world’s billionaires, and which Indonesians are among them.
Indonesian citizens who made it onto the Forbes’ “The World’s Billionaires” list, out of a total of 1125 people worldwide: forbes
Sukanto Tanoto.
Sukanto Tanoto (Chinese name – Chen Jianghe), originally from Medan in North Sumatra, and owner of the holding company PT Raja Garuda Mas International (RGM International), leads the Indonesian rankings, as almost always:
Aburizal Bakrie, who only three months ago was named by Forbes Asia as Indonesia’s richest man, inexplicably didn’t make the cut for this list, and nor did Eka Tjipta Widjaja (Sinar Mas Group), and Putera Sampoerna (Sampoerna Strategic), both of whom were listed as being richer than Martua Sitorus on that previous list.
Jealous, hmm? Work harder!
Atypical ex-Fujian, ex Canton Chinese economic parasites who flee with their ill-gotten money at the drop of a pribumi hat.
PKSP and BLBI shall hopefully return their plunder to its’ rightful owners.
The major difference between Suharto Inc and the Generals is that they reinvested his money into Indonesia. The Chinese fled like bank robbers. Actually that’s exactly what they are.
7 out of 7 Most Wanted Criminals are Ethnic Chinese
Eddy Tanzil
Bambang Sutrisno
Andrian Kiki Ariawan Now apparently living in Singapore .
Samadikun Hartono
Sudjiono Timan: in Singapore.
Maria Pauline Lumowa: Fled to Singapore before trial.
Irawan Salim: Canada or Europe
http://perspectives.singaporeangle.com/2007/04/singapore_relents_to_sign_extr.html
Yellow bellied South Chinese peasants they remain.
Don’t bring racial issue, why would you even care? Criminals are criminals regardless their race.
So criminals that stay put are acceptable……………unusual concept!!!!
Wow Purba Negoro, you are really really racist. No doubt about that.
Are you one of those culprit who murder and rape the Chinese?
Yea, you don’t have to answer that.
Let’s put your words in the right perspective….
“7 out of 7 Most Wanted Criminals are Ethnic Chinese”
^^
Have you been to jail? Did you read newspaper? Did you even watch TV?
Look at all those news, father who rape own daughter, murderers, rioters, scammers, pickpockets, “hypnotizers”, demonstrators turn anarchy and blah blah blah….. what are they? Chinese or people like you?
Look in the mirror and you’ll see what the majority criminal race in Indonesia really look like.
You don’t just categorized all into criminals, and labelled them as “most wanted criminals”.
What about those bali bombers? australia embassy bombers? are they not THE “most wanted criminals”?
You are just jealous cause those rich guys can run away and live happily while you still have to rot out here.
One last thought:
Why waste so much time and effort trying to get all those money back when you can make them bring their money back to Indonesia willingly and sincerely?
(Do you think confiscating all their money will make Indonesia better? and you lives will be better? Face it, you are just one selfish bastard that just wanna see other people suffer like you.)
Answer to the above question:
Just make Indonesia the best investment place in the whole damn world, and all those corruptors will be back bringing their money to invest in Indonesia willingly. PERIOD.
but seriously, i doubt this is going to happen.
My own quote : “We came late and outrun you, if we were to do this one more time, we’ll still outrun you”
Why would Indonesia seek to import these scum imported by the Dutch to rob us of our lands and wealth?
Chinese are a continual reminder of Colonial injustice and theft against the pribumi.
We pribumi can stand on our own two feet perfectly well without these Wong Singke.
PN you should learn to respect others, consider the indigenous richmen are behaving the same too, even worse, they abuse their power over their own people without shame or try to cover it up. no, indonesia can’t survive without chinese hardworkers, manipulation is just a way of survival, now if u hate the chinese because they can manipulate better than indigenous people, thats not chinese indonesians’s fault, its that you can’t accept natural law. thats why dutch people in colonial era respected chinese newcomer more than indigenous people, because they were more useful to accelerate economy. now its a new era and you should get out of your old colonial circle.
PN your comments are biased and uneducated. The Chinese were not “imported” by the Dutch. In fact the Chinese have been military and political allies to Kings and Sultans of this archipelago since the 1400’s!
The Portugese, Dutch, Sukarno and Suharto had partnered with the Chinese because they had the established commercial and business distribution where they had the political and military power. The main issue of this country is the systemic corruption that prevails in all areas…Have you wondered why all the politicans are successful businessmen and vice versa and people who are very successful in business have relationships with politicians??? In this respect they are all criminals, pribumi or otherwise, doesn’t matter what race they are.
Bigotry and hate are based from fear. Knowledge is power.
Purba Negoro
are u speaking on behalf of all indonesian? exactly MOST of us dont even mind about the presence of chinese here. If u really hate those chinese just go to china and throw your anger there but i doubt you will be safe there..
Purbo Negoro,
what about trying to work harder, spinning your network, to be a businessman, to be a human being (a normal human being)? Instead of complaining and accusing?
There many Indonesians too, who are reminders of colonial injustice. What about them? Not so bad, ’cause they have brown skin?
It is boring to read and to hear such “romantism”.
Try to stand on your own feet (you can stand on your own feet? Ha, ha!)
Btw: these scums play important roles for Indonesian economy.
The clever heads in the government know it, some “patriots” don’t know it and they call them (the chinese) names like “scum”.
Such behaviour doesn’t fit to Indonesian culture (“tidak sesuai dengan kebudayaan Indonesia”).
Or is Indonesian culture no more important, because there is another culture “upon” it??
Purba Negoro, did you not have enough education, did you not have enough nutrition during your growing period that your IQ remains low, or are you just plain jealous?
tomaculum you are an ignorant fool
Fact: Chinese were imported en masse by Dutch and British colonials circa 1820 on- with plenty of VOC/EIC documentation to substantiate.
The Chinese formed the essential compradore link for the Cultuur Stelsel system and Colonial overlordship of native authorities.
Dutch originally imported Chinese coolies to work en masse as Javanese bondsman digging a canal in Batavia refused to work under dreadful Dutch conditions, made strike and became unruly.
The Dutch duplicated what the British did in Malaysia- importing a pliant, willing brown-nosing class to undermine the indigenous local authority.
Raffles, without understanding the Javanese codes of land ownership considered it feudalistic and serfdom in extremis- forcibly removed lands from the pribumi nobles.
Daendals further capitalised on this new VOC ownership of prime arable lands now conveniently free from fees to nasty pribumi who had a mind for rebellion
From Essential Outsiders- interestingly co-written by Chinese and Jewish authors- thus claims of racial bias are null and void:
page 45: “…the [sic Chinese run] opium farms again provided the lions’ share Chinese run TAX FARMS [sic in Netherlands India] represented a quarter of all revenue in 1820s… by 1870 there were more Chinese involved in TAX FARMING that there were Dutchmen in government service…
page 47: “Crey mentions that large number of attacks on Chinese TOLLGATE keepers and traders in the Javanese princely states of the 1820s as their demands on revenue from peasants increased…”
p56: “in matters of money, the Chinese are entirely devoid of morals and mercy. They will cheat you with a smile on their face at their own perspicacity…”
Andrew-
Your lack of non Politically Correct newspeak education speaks volumes about your Western moral onanist society intent on total ignorance and emotive rather than rational argument.
The Chinese diplomatic relationship between Indonesia and Majapahit was mutually friendly- and trade related- Chinese wanted ebony, teak, sandal wood, camphor wood, star anise, cumin, turmeric. Javanese wanted ceramics- as we see from the many shipwrecks- including many amazing ceramic pieces even astounding Chinese mainland scholars.
Fact: Neither country had any military involvement, alliance etc other than the most usual mutually beneficial preamble we still find in todays diplomatic reassurances.
Yet another Glodok myth.
Chinamen- whence ye master the language of the Angles- read a university monograph such as Rickleff’s superb: History of Indonesia (Monash Uni Press- where I got my PhD, incidentally.
Chinese- post Suharto- you are now officially redundant. Return home to South China and free us from your well-documented economic opportunism and parasitism.
Perhaps the questions to be asked and answered honestly:
Why is the “Chinese Problem” or the “middleman minority” such pervasive problems for Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia?
Doe this infer genetically closely related Vietnamese are “lazy” like the Malaysian and Indonesian pribumi?
Or more rationally why are Chinese willingly used as disposable pawns, middlemen, financiers etc of indigenous powerbrokers- a legacy of colonial racial divide et impera- thus undermining themselves pribumi manjority?
Chinese bends over to pribumi powerbroker- who says: “keep bending over or the nasty native will get you” and stokes the native anger to ensure Chinese complicity.
Reading list for the dullards here (sorry no pictures or pop-ups- but many BIG words)
A History of Modern Indonesia Since C. 1200: Third Edition
(Merle Calvin Ricklefs)
Indonesia and China: The Politics of a Troubled Relationship
By Rizal Sukma
“Essential Outsiders: Chinese and Jews in the Modern Transformation of SE ASian and Europe”
(by Daniel Chirot et al).
“Golddiggers, Farmers, and Traders in the “Chinese Districts” of West Kalimantan- (sic: how things never change)” (Mary F. Somers Heidhues)
Purbo, Old house,
Wow, it impress me that you’ve found out so much about the history.
But read again my comment, please.
Yes, Iam a fool to discuss with you.
Last words: stop complaining about the past, do something for now (thas is my basic message). 🙂
Chinese are a continual reminder of Colonial injustice and theft against the pribumi.
We pribumi can stand on our own two feet perfectly well without these Wong Singke
purba = pre-historic
negoro = country
I hope mas Purba expressed his opinion about Indonesia in the pre-historic era of our country …
pls calm down mas Purba, I am Raden Joyohadiningrat still love all Indonesian chinese
The facts remais:
Chinese in Indonesia= imposed, uninvited, often illegal immigrants consisting of a self-destructive and nett destructive middleman minority solely focused on petty bourgeoisie aspirations and trappings via insatiable materialism.
As for Raden Joyohadiningrat (Sir Great-Djogja-Noble), I call you a liar.
Tidak adalah se Bangsawan ataupun Pahlawan NAsional yang lupa musuh Pribumi- wong Cino.
Dalem asli dari Djogja- nami Bapaknya siapa, Mas ‘Raden’?
Purbo Negoro,
my last last word ( 🙂 ) to you: musuh pribumi is the pribumi himself. 🙂
I think you’re just a narrow minded jealous wannabe (javanese) patriot.
“Chinese in Indonesia= imposed, uninvited,”
Your ancients came also from southern china. Believe it or not, and the origin of Java didn’t invite them. 🙂
Purbo,
I found your argument in the dictionary!
rac·ism Audio Help [rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
[Origin: 1865–70; < F racisme. See race2, -ism]—Related forms
racist, noun, adjective
Tomaculum- pathetic. I mince words with a self-proven halfwit, ignoramus and bed-wetter.
If we extrapolate your pathetic argumentum reduction ad absrudum– an emotive irrational argument based on errant oversimplification: Africans and Indian illegal immigrants can call China home just as much as the Han, Wu and Hokkien by virtue of the fact we all originate from Africa- therefore China essentially is homeland to no-one.
If you were less ignorant you’d be aware that Austronesians are from Taiwan and mitochondrial DNA is closely identical to Taiwanese aborigines(also oppressed by Mongoloid Chinese).
Austronesians not only genetically (racially) and culturally dsistinct: BUT Mongoloid Chinese described their head-hunting, body-art/tattooing, animism, expert seamanship, out-rigger boats, blow-dart hunting, expertise with poisons and were widely decried by harangued Chinese as “nomadic pirates”.
These very Austronesian traits are still seen today in Kalimantan among the Dayak, also the Buginese and lesser the Madurese.
Current paleo-historical theory suggests Austronesian migrants ts may have interbred with pre-existing hominids- thus explaining the disappearance of early hominids exactly like the theory of Caucasians interbreeding with Neanderthals.
According to Blust, Austronesians emerged from mainland Asia (note not specifically China) in 10,000-6000, arriving in the Philippines intermingling with the earlier Australo-Melanesian population who had inhabited the islands since 23,000 BC.
from American Journal of Human Genetics 68: 432–443.
We Austronesians number approx 380,000,00 worldwide.
Sorry- Indonesians are Chinese- that myth is yet another factuiall incorrect US NGO-Glodok pro multi-culturalist masturbation fantasy. Even the idiot Dutch could see that.
pds- excuse crappy spelling, layout etc- Bluetooth keyboards are not the cat’s pyjamas they claim to be
Purbo,
wow, very formidable your competence to google speedy to find any counter agument 🙂 .
Fact is is the possibility, that one of your ancestors was born in current china area. 🙂
And fact is (I don’t like this pathetic and ignorant argument, but it is afact) that there are percental more succesful chinese descendant in Indonesia than other races. Invited or not but those people you hate play more role in the economic system of Indonesia than you. 🙂
Purbo,
Many thanks for your insightful rants. In your blind rage to defend your bigotry, you have accidentally disclosed to the world that you have obtained a PhD from Monash. From that fact alone, we now know who you are and where you live which makes it extremely convenient for people to look you up. We will make sure your alma mater knows of your racist leanings!
All the best! Hope you can sleep well from now on.
Purba Negoro,
your intention of asking the chinese indonesian to return to south china is simply too idealist.
How do you expect them to leave after living here for hundred years ? After they established their own society,family,relative, n even business here ? How ? A sudden of millions people migrate from indonesia to another country ? is that possible ? thats impossible u know, then why asking something that almost impossible to happen ? instead of asking them to leave why dont just simply generously accept them living here ?
talking about invited or not, thats not only happen on them, have indonesia EVER invited javanese,sunda,batak,betawi,madura,melayu to live in indonesia ? (a certain part of land in this world could eventually speak/invite a certain people to live on its land ? hahaha…greatest joke i’ve ever heard) oh yeah,. dont u think you’re too ridiculous to talk about indigenous or not in the era of globalization ? Im sorry, u are too “purba” minded.
btw, how can sukanto tanoto could living peacefully in s’pore when he still has tremendous debt in many banks of our country ?
specialis_conscientia said:
Purbo,
Many thanks for your insightful rants. In your blind rage to defend your bigotry, you have accidentally disclosed to the world that you have obtained a PhD from Monash. From that fact alone, we now know who you are and where you live which makes it extremely convenient for people to look you up. We will make sure your alma mater knows of your racist leanings!
All the best! Hope you can sleep well from now on.
Well, the use of essentialist and utterly discredited racialist terms like “mongoloid Chinese” indicate Mr. Purbo probably didn’t study too hard at Monash 😉
Specialis- unfortunately freedom of speech means as Voltaire defined it as defending the rights of someone you dislike most shouting what you find most offensive.
Your attempt at censorship at what you find unsettling via the mindless and now discredited slur “racist” is evidence the arrow hit the target. The truth hurts most does it not?
Please remind that Semitic hive of Zionist Nazis and Settler funders exactly who I am- they already know me well.
They know of my many complaints regarding foreign in the university:
*lowering academic and English competency standards to suit economically lucrative international students versus enforcing rigorous standards for the marginalised Australian non-fee payer
*expulsion or failing of international students is almsot non existent BUT the less lucrative Australians routinely failed and barred from post graduate study
introduction of quotas for more profitable non-Australian residents
their commercialisation of education via pay for degree system
their theft of Australian taxpayer subsidies co-opted to part fund the more economically lucrative international student.
Yes, please do remind them of the few principled Asians who value education and merit above Sino-semitic materialism and parasitic capitalism. All of my points are in the public domain and numerous Australian newspapers covered such contemptuous university profiteering at the time.
I had one lecturer who dared object to being officially sanctioned for failing an international student, he stood by his decision and he was sacked within a month.
Odinius- obviously a mispelling of Onanist.
How easy to rebut such an intellectual incompetent:
Essentialist?
Essentialist as in the fallacy of non-transmutation of species with respect to time- or the Plato “art is imitation”?
Assuming you actually know how to apply the term, I stated,
came from mainland Asia to the Philippines and intermingling with the earlier Australo-Melanesian population who had inhabited the islands since 23,000 BC.
Perhaps you can tell me why current forensic scientists use such “discredited” terminology.
I quote:
Forensic anthropologist Caroline Wilkenson says that… Negroids have the third largest brow ridges with an “undulating supraorbital ridge”. Mongoloids are “absent browridges”, so they have the smallest brow ridges.
from sh*tty-pedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid#cite_note-34
Nice try, but your post-modernist Leftist self-fellatio is not only wrong, its’ emotive assumptions about racism in language is false too.
Was it tapestry, crochet, philosophy, gay and lesbian studies or wymyn’s studies, bed-wetter?
If you want to experience that warm fuzzy all over feeling for supporting the oppressed ethnic proletariate- go piss in your wetsuit and spare us your tired trite middle-class angst.
Tomaculum:
…And fact is (I don’t like this pathetic and ignorant argument, but it is afact) that there are percental more succesful chinese descendant in Indonesia than other races. Invited or not but those people you hate play more role in the economic system of Indonesia than you
Firstly- you assume I hate Chinese. I don’t hate anyone- not even you. Not even that ponce Odinius. No-one. Not even a former business partner who defrauded me.
You forget we Javanese still have Karma and Dharma prominently in our thoughts, despite the superficial Islam.
I’ve been to Shanghai and Beijing four times now, on business. I have some very good friends from the mainland one of whom I am now in business with. I can’t detail who exactly I work for, but it involves sizeable long-term contracts with the Peoples’ Communist Party.
A racist would not be able to tolerate total immersion in a hated culture and having his head on the line dependent on a hated people.
So, no- I have no hate for Chinese at all. I don’t particularly like everything they do- but that’s life.
I do hate ignorance, white-washed history, stupidity and greed- which means I hate a lot of idiot indigenous Indonesians’ behaviour too.
And this Chinese super-wisdom regarding business is a myth and is factually inaccurate- especially when their superficial “success” is measured against leveraged debt.
The stench of cronyism and highly questionable business practices still lingers- and you should remember this hurts most the honest Chinese businessman.
The wealthiest minority in Indonesia by percentage terms are… not even Asian.
They are…. Caucasoids…. or is that racist?
Purbo,
“I don’t hate anyone”
“Chinese in Indonesia= imposed, uninvited, often illegal immigrants consisting of a self-destructive and nett destructive middleman minority solely focused on petty bourgeoisie aspirations and trappings via insatiable materialism.”
“Why would Indonesia seek to import these scum imported by the Dutch to rob us of our lands and wealth?
Chinese are a continual reminder of Colonial injustice and theft against the pribumi.
We pribumi can stand on our own two feet perfectly well without these Wong Singke.”
Hmm, sounds contradictive, doesn’t it?
What a mercy that you don’t hate me. 🙂
I don’t care indigenous or chinese. Black,Dark-brown,Brown,Yellow,Light,White skins billionaires in indonesia are no better than trash, if they use their money for their family,business,factory,etc instead of helping others.
Consider yourself unlucky if God given u weak body but if u were giant, and you use your giant strength for your own good instead of helping the weak one, then you are no more than trash. Same goes to billionaires who’re living happily and watching our brothers and sisters struggled in poverty while those who have unacceptable uncountable unusual assets simply do nothing to help them, they’re just piece of junk.
Yes, they’ve created uncountable job opportunity and economic stability for us, but we don’t need to feel thankful with them since its equivalent trade, We work for them and they pay us with wages/salary for our live needs, thats called mutual benefit. we own them nothing at all.
Sorry Purbo Negoro and KdS,
I don’t know any white billionaires from Indonesia because I live since years abroad. Could you tell me some names?
Thanks.
kau dan selingkuhanmu its the nail on the head first strike.
We owe you Chinese nothing as you give us nothing in return.
Why?
Fact- Chinese TAKE and never give. Instead they spit upon the social obligation and contract of debt they owe their relative succeess to in Indonesia.
Chinese= All take no give.
Show u whrere the repayment is of this social contractual debt? OR do Chinese assert they create money out of thin air (well actually they do- that’s why so many fled to Singapore and elsewhere).
Chinese continue a long-running debt Indonesian society and the native whom they love to exploit. A vey one-sided contract of social, human adn moral obligation where they have extracted much and given aboslutely nothing in return.
And the above is precisely why the native will never, ever accept the Chinese as legitimates.
Yes, absolutely all races remain equal and all humans equally valuable, however cultures are not.
Very easily the total incontrovertible superiority of all facets of pribumi culture is to the mercenary capitalist parasitism of the South Chinese diaspora.
Despite all the Chinese wailing, gnashing of teeth and crying to whitey to save them from the ignoble Indonesian/Muslim savages, the Indonesian native qualitatively and empirically remains a Second class citizen in his own homeland.
Compare the vast number of Yayasans and Islamic charities to the essential total absence of Chinese-funded charities for natives?
Note- this is common not only to Indoensia, but Myanmar, Malaysia, Phillipines, Thailand and even Vietnam- and thus the Chinese Problem is an ASEAN wide problem. Every single ASEAN nation has some poorblem with their Chinese.
Why? Simple- All take no give.
So Indonesian Chinese truly what on earth of value do you truly contribute? Help me out:
facade business for fraudulent loans underwritten by other front-companies?
running to Singapore and DBS/OSDB with ill-gotten gains?
abuse of credit and LOC’s?
leveraged debt?
white-collar crime?
obtaining Aussie/Canadian/US refugee status through deceit and lies?
noodles made from criminally expropriated USAID wheat?
profiteering from carcinogenic tobacco?
gambling dens?
destruction of forest for palm oil?
former opium croppers?
the mega-brothels of Kota?
industrial size amphetamine labs?
highway robbery though low-grade generic pharmaceuticals?
Illegal importation of goods- incidentally hurting other Chinese (ie textiles and basic household commodities)
Barong Sai?
Crappy Chinese wayang?
Beijing Opera which sounds like cats mating on a barbecue?
Frog-leg soup?
Hunting endangered species trade- especially tiger pelts and bones, ivory for a barbaric and primitive totemic “medicine” (shamnism would be more accurate)
Illegal logging- especially of Makassar ebony to the Chinese factories? (latest Wongoiri illegal logging was entirely a Chinese operation)
Turtle poaching?
Industrial illegal fishing (long-lining) and overfishing even in Australian, French and New Zealand waters (Tommy Winata ring any bells)?
Rampant corruption?
hey Purbo Negoro……as an Indonesian born Chinese, I feel offended by ur offensive remarks towards Indo CHinese…….
To note, I feel 100% Indonesian, its only my race that is chinese but I feel that i am more indonesian than you.
Yo said that you were studying in Monash uni while I haave been spending my whole life in Indonesia in which I have enjoyed very good relationship with my fellow Indonesians regardless of their races in which me and my fellow Indonesian born CHinese are also contributing to my “kampung” causes such as “kerja bakti”, etc.
Also, you were also saying that chinese all take no give…..then how come there are many Indo chinese entrepreneurs in Indonesia??? if they are all workin in Indonesia then they must employ many Indonesian BUMIPUTERA which also contributing to the employment rate in Indonesia as well.
How about the sports sector…..Badminton…. Susi Susanti, Hendrawan, ALan Budikusuma, Liem Swie King….aren’t they Indonesian Chinese???
Soccer, there were also Indo chinese in the team back in the 1950’s
There were also many examples of Indo CHinese contribution to Indonesia because we feel 100% Indonesian.
your comment is just childish and very racist and very unacceptable seeing a very educated person like you. You should never make a generalisation of any race and that is completely wrong.
ALso, your comments on the chinese culture is truly a harassment not only to Indo Chinese but to Indonesian CHinese as well. you are completely out of ur mind. I think you just lack recognition in the real world.
I urge you to apologise to all of the CHinese, Indonesian CHinese and also all of Indonesian peoples for all your stupidity.
I also would like to know why the moderator of this site is approving the racist, childish & stupid comments from Purbo Negoro…
This is crazy honestly…..
that comments just shows how vulnerable Indonesia is to external influences……that there are some stupid peoples like purbo negoro that is the product os the successful Dutch imperialism policy (divide et impera)
in fact, the hatred of Indonesian Bumiputera towards indo chinese was created in purpose by the Dutch.
I wonder why Indonesia, after being robbed, killed, raped by all the imperial forces for more than 300 years (japan & dutch) do not seem to hate those two capitalists but instead hating the Chinese who generally did nothing wrong to Indonesian people.
Also look at the biggest capitalist of all….USA….do you know what they have done to the world and Indonesia??? Freeport??? who brokered the deal which resulted in the Indonesian occupation of western papua until now???
what a wonderful world people may say…. full of bullshit
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