Ahmadiyya

Jan 16th, 2008, in News, by

Ahmadiyah makes changes to its beliefs and avoids being banned by the government.

Continued from Religious Intolerance and Banning Islamic Sects.

No Ban

Pakem (Pengawas Aliran Kepercayaan Masyarakat, Overseers of the Peoples’ Beliefs), made up of representatives of the Attorney General’s Office, police, the State Intelligence Agency and the Religious Affairs Ministry, decided on 15th January not to ban Ahmadiyya, despite a fatwa by the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) that had declared Ahmadiyya an heretical Islamic sect. antara

Teacher not Prophet

The decision not to ban the group was made after Ahmadiyya leaders caved into pressure and issued a 12-point statement saying they acknowledged Muhammad as the last prophet, and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was simply a teacher.

Pakem however said it may change its decision if Ahmadiyya failed to fully implement the changes to its formal belief structure, and gave the group 3 months to do so. detik

Wisnu Subroto, the deputy attorney general of intelligence, said:

We will keep watching and evaluating their activities over the next three months. If Ahmadiyya fails to follow through on their declaration, we will discuss later what to do about it.

Jemaat Ahmadiyah Indonesia (JAI) leader Ahmad Basit said his group had the same beliefs as mainstream Islam.

Like other Muslims, Ahmadiyya followers also recite syahadat (the two sentences of faith), acknowledging Muhammad as the last prophet. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only our teacher.

Ahmadiyya also said they would not try to convert other Muslims to their way of thinking, but said they would instead strengthen relations with mainstream Muslims.

Wisnu asked the public to respect Ahmadiyya’s goodwill and willingness to change, and accept Pakem’s decision.

Still not happy

However about 1,000 Muslims staged a protest in Bandung, West Java to demand the government disband Ahmadiyya. Hedi Muhammad from the West Java Alliance of Muslims said:

The Ahmadiyah organization is as heretical as Al-Qiyadah al-Islamiyah.

And the Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) leader Ma’ruf Amin said Ahmadiyya’s decision to acknowledge Muhammad as the final prophet was not enough to lift the fatwa from the group. Saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was simply a teacher could be interpreted in various ways, worried Maruf. republika

This article in Indonesian – Ahmadiyyah.


196 Comments on “Ahmadiyya”

  1. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Ass. Miss Rufo Basheeruddin Khalifa zani

    I am sure you would be happy watching down from heaven next to Allah swt that Ahmadiyah members be beheaded, their womenfolk raped and their children be made slaves because you thought they were not islamically correct. What do you think of the jihadis massacring them on behalf of Allah swt queuing up for appetizing vaginas (instead of appetizing curries) and sharing the same heaven as you. As a sunni muslim yourself, you should belive in this:

    Allah will not admit anyone in paradise but Allah the Mighty and Glorious will marry him with seventy two wives. Two will be from Hooris/virgins with big eyes and seventy will be his inheritance from the people of hell fire. Everyone of them will have a appetizing vagina and he (the man in paradise) will have a sexual organ that does not bend down. (Source: Sunan ibn Majah)

    Miss Rufo, our Indonesian brown brothers choosing their faith is none of your business. Get back to your kitchen and cook up a storm; learn from our Javanese sisters about filial duties.

    Wasalam.

  2. Ahmad says:

    “Bismillah hirrahman nirraheem” In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, Ever Merciful. The Graciousness and Merciful deeds are to be there for commencing any act in the name of Allah whenever, wherever, whatever we start anything. Will the blood thirsty Jihadis remember this whenever they do it? If they remember this prayer, they cannot do any harm to anyone or to anything. If they do harm people, then they are forgetting this prayer. So it could not be in the name of Allah. Where do you want to be placed. Even if you break or cause any damage to any prayer house of any religious place or worshipping place, you have to remember this prayer. A true Muslim has to follow the path of Holy Prophet ( saw).

    Question to a True Muslim?

    Whom do you think in this world the most and most persecuted person who suffered and humiliated by others for years? Any true muslim would say it is our Prophet Muhammad (sal). Am I right.?. The sufferings he met was worse in this world than any other sufferings. Is it correct? What did he do for this ? He forgave his enemies, he gave all rights to his enemies. freedom to choose their religion and said there is no compulsion, when he conquered Makkah and set an example to others. Today, this victory has been rated as the most amazing victory by the historians. It is a stunning revenge. Islam did spread by Love and affection. What is happening today? The muslims are killing each other in the name of religion which has no precedence or teachings of our Holy Prophet ( sal). They listen to Mullahs and Jihadis and do it. They do all sort of distortion in the name of Islam. Do they think that their sufferings are bigger than our Holy Prophet ( sal)’s sufferings? A true muslim will not think that way. His suffering is very small compared to his master’s. He has to follow the foot path of his master. He cannot think that his suffering is bigger than his master’s. Follow the path of Holy Prophet ( sal). Do you follow the path of Allah’s messenger or the path of mullahs who spreads hatredism and disturb the peace in this world. If you follow the path of Prophet (sal), you will pray to Allah who will be your Saviour.

    Prophet Muhammad ( sal) lived in this world for 63 years. If we calculate, it would be around 22680 days. Out of this 22680 days, his days on war ( Jihad) was only 146 days. Our Prophet (sal) of worlds described this Jihad as Jihad-e-saghir ( small jihad). This is not an imagination. This is a true. For this Jihad he spent nearly 290 days on travelling. So the remaining 22,244 he was teaching us. His entire life became the teachings for us. He reminded us while returning from the war, that we were now returning from small jihad to Jihad-e-akbar ( the big Jihad, the real Jihad). We have to pray, serve the mankind with love and affection, attend and help the poor and needy. These are the most wonderful service to humanity which is the need of the hour taught and practised by the messenger of Allah. So we should concentrate on Jihad-e-akbar !

    Ahmad

  3. Achmad Sudarsono says:

    We should have called the national airline Berak not Bouraq or Garuda.

  4. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Ass. Ahmad

    Prophet Muhammad ( sal) lived in this world for 63 years. If we calculate, it would be around 22680 days. Out of this 22680 days, his days on war ( Jihad) was only 146 days.

    I couldn’t agree more. The same were said of our holy martyrs, peace be upon them; who followed in the footstep of our prophet Mohammad saw..

    Most of today’s jihad lasted from few hours to 1 or 2 days; not throughtout the entire lives of the jihadis. Our Bali bombers took few days to survey the site and one day to detonate the bombs. The 9/11 jihadis took less than a day from boarding the planes, hijacking and slamming into buildings. All these lasted only few days the most. If only the readers could use calculators to show we are not murderers. The rest of their lives they were loving friends, brothers, fathers and sons.

    Wasalam.

  5. Janma says:

    (Off Topic) all this talk about curry recipes reminds me of a skit by Rowan Atkinson on Not the 9 O’clock News…..

    “And now on the question of immigration, a very emotive issue…… I like Indian people as much as the next fellow, but the question is that now that we have the recipe for Curry, is there really any need for them to stay?”

  6. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Mbak Janma,

    We are as much curry eaters as our Indian sub-continent Brown brothers. We have adopted and infused curry as one of our favourite dishes. The best fish head curry is made by the Melayus, the nyonyas came up with the best modified curry – the Laksa. In Indonesia, we have different variation of lamb and chicken curries from Sumatra to Bali version. But the original recipes were from our Brown brothers far far west. I doubt whether any of these posters have any curry recipe to share, maybe bomb recipe as they are more interested in jihad.

    Javanese wisdom to share with you:

    “If every student has the same textbook, why do we need examinations for?”

  7. Lairedion says:

    Were these curries from India brought by Indian Muslims or Hindus? Hindus are the majority on the Indian subcontinent and we may need to turn to them for recipes. Perhaps a new thread can be started here on IM in which we can discuss the influence of Indian cuisine in Indonesia.

    P.S. Aluang did you check your hotmail? I sent you a PM.

  8. Jawad Sultan says:

    Its amazing that every religion during the persecution period is all about love and brotherhood and freedom of religion but once they come into power they do the exact same thing their persecutors used to do to them. The Christians were persecuted for 300 years by the Romans and all during this period they preached love. But once they got power they declared apostasy a capital crime and for one thousand years they wrecked havoc and killed people right and left in the name of religion. The inquisitions and the witch hunts and what not. The same thing was done by the Muslims. When in Mecca it was all love, love, love but once they had power the bloodbath begins. And they’re not done yet. As we can see in Indonesia. I don’t understand why don’t these people grow up and get a life?

  9. Cukurungan says:

    Its amazing that every religion during the persecution period is all about love and brotherhood and freedom of religion but once they come into power they do the exact same thing their persecutors used to do to them.

    Many thank you give us a strong justification for prosecuting Ahmadiya follower ASAP before it is too late and Ahmadiya come into power and turn on us.

  10. dewaratugedeanom says:

    Bro Aluang

    “Β¦and he (the man in paradise) will have a sexual organ that does not bend down. (Source: Sunan ibn Majah)

    No need for Viagra in paradise, for sure. But how are they going to cope with hooris who are 180 feet tall?

    Bukhari:V4B55N544 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The first group who will enter Paradise will be glittering like the moon and those who will follow will glitter like the most brilliant star. They will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Their combs will be gold and their sweat will smell like musk. Their companions will be houris. All of them will look alike and will be sixty cubits (180 feet) tall.'”

    I guess they will have to learn how to dive.

  11. Lairedion says:

    They will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Their combs will be gold and their sweat will smell like musk.

    At least this 180 feet tall houri won’t piss in your face while you’re having a non-bending boner 😈

    All of you who have a strong appetite and/or fetish for pis, sweat or other smelly odeur sex and so on.. you can forget about that in paradise… πŸ˜›

  12. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    @ Miss Rufo Basheeruddin Khalifa zani

    I take it that your silence on this matter indicates that I have finally opened your eyes to logic. Insyallah you are enlightened. Leave our Indonesian Ahmadiyah alone. Let Allah swt deal with them.

    Our Javanese sisters can teach you a lesson or two on filial piety. Be proud of your own heritage. Indian ladies have beautiful facial features with big beautiful eyes just as our Javanese sisters, only their skin a tad more tanner. Revert back to your ancestral name, example Leela, Shaila or Shanti. There is nothing to be ashamed of. I am sure all our curry brothers agree ‘Leela Ramalingam’ sounds better than ‘Fatima Basheeruddin’. Savoury lamb curry also tastes better than tasteless lamb kebab.

    Wasalam.

  13. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Re,

    Were these curries from India brought by Indian Muslims or Hindus? Hindus are the majority on the Indian subcontinent and we may need to turn to them for recipes.

    Of course the Hindus because the whole nusantara adopted Indian culture before Islam came ashore. Unlike in India where northern curry eaters were forced to convert en masse, Islam came peacefully to Java island because the islamic preachers were aware we defeated the Mongolian army, not once but twice. We kick butts.

  14. Lairedion says:

    Of course the Hindus because the whole nusantara adopted Indian culture before Islam came ashore.

    Well the Javanese made their own version of it. Tagore, a famous Indian poet, visited Java and cited, “I see India everywhere, but I cannot recognize it.” But that’s only natural, Indonesia and India have different surroundings and climate and are ethnically from different stock.

    Curries (spicy sauces diluted with coconut milk) and the addition of cumin, coriander, ginger and caraway in many Indonesian cuisine are India’s contribution. Indonesian culture was greatly influenced by India, making this influence obvious even in the cooking methods and techniques. India was one of the world’s most famous countries where condiment exportation was concerned. So it’s only natural that by having been influenced in the culture, the food preparation techniques would also be influenced. (These are not my own words but from cookbookwiki).

  15. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    @ Miss Rufo Basheeruddin Khalifa zani regarding your unpatriotic name.

    One more useful advice for Miss Rufo’s enlightenment. With Indonesian Islam, you don’t need to be called Saleha, Fatima, Aisha or Rafidato be muslim. Our Indonesian celebrities such as Luna Maya, Kiki Amalia and Mayangsari are Muslim. Once in a while, they gathered up with friends and discussed lastest curry ingredients and cooking techniques for their families. I am sure I can find Nail Bomb recipe in your closet, and when you gathered with your friends, you cook up plans to harm Ahmadiyas.

    Salam.

  16. nana says:

    Started with Ahmadiyya and when there is no answer to Ahmadiyyas shifted to CURRY and how to have SEX with Hoorulyn. Better go to another platform. Shame!

  17. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Mbak nana

    Every ‘True’ Muslimah should know their position within polygamous and mistresses household; just as every ‘True’ jihadis know their right to ‘appetising vaginas’. It is all in the hadiths.

    For Kafiors and Christian like yourself, your place is in hell fire. Shame on all Christian worshipping Judas on the cross.

    Wasalam.

  18. nana says:

    mbak Aluang,

    what jihadi ?? hiding under the burqa ? true jihadi wont hide under burqa. we saw in TV, burqa clad mullah in Pak. mullah omar and osama may be hiding in burqas. May be non-kafirs ( true jihadis) are told to take sheltor under burqa. You may say that they are allowed to hide according to hadiths. You may bring hadiths. Prophet did not hide in any war. He led the war. He fought war face to face with the real and actual enemies. He instructed not to kill innocents, children, elders and women. Here the bali bombers and 9/11 bombers took orders from burqa leaders and in the name of islam did all nasty things in the name of islam against Islam. Shame ! shame !!

  19. Lairedion says:

    mbak Aluang

    πŸ˜†

  20. Lairedion says:

    Gee Aluang I didn’t know you’ve had a sex reassignment surgery

  21. Goobers says:

    Aluang,
    You are really carried away by people comment… ha ha ha…. your comments are sound so ILLOGICAL AND “NGAWUR” more and more everyday. You are a joke, dude!

  22. Aluang Anak Bayang says:

    Assalamualaikum Mbak nana

    Prophet did not hide in any war. He led the war. He fought war face to face with the real and actual enemies.

    Which Prophet you are talking about? Muhammad led 27 military campaigns against villages and caravans & planned 38 others. He led but when the actual wars were fought, he stayed back to collect arrows. Are you making this up?

    He instructed not to kill innocents, children, elders and women.

    Google for Bani Qurayza tribe.

    In this raid, the Jews surrended without a fight; male captives with pubic hairs were considered adults and beheaded under instruction from Prophet Mohammad himself. The women taken as sex slaves, children and elders as slaves.

    Here the bali bombers and 9/11 bombers took orders from burqa leaders and in the name of islam did all nasty things in the name of islam against Islam. Shame ! shame !!

    Insyallah Allah swt forgives your ignorance. These peoples are good Muslims dying as martyrs. Here is a link for you to learn how to be obedient muslimah.

    Wasalam.

  23. Abu khurshid says:

    Hey, The Burqa Mullahs strike back ! The Jamat e Islami sect, Jamiatul Ulema sect, Nadhvathul Ulama sect, Salfiya sect and many other islamic sects have given a fatwa in Dharul Uloom, UP, India on25th February, about Jihadi Terrorism. They say it is forbidden in Islam and anyone who does it is doing on their own and it has no connectivity to Islam. They condemn such act of terrorism in the name of Jihad. Howzzzzzzzzzzzzz that?? They condemned terrorism of all types and forms. They asked the community to remain calm and exercise patience, make an independent analysis of the scenario and lodge peaceful protest whenever such a need arose. Representatives from about 6000 madrasas from all over India, Ulemas and representatives of different organisation attended the conference.

    When it was proclaimed by the Promised Messiah at his time saying the Jihad of Pen has more power than the Jihad of sword, the same mullah elements rejected it 100 years ago and shouted that he was Kafir ( God forbid) . Now the same mullah elements declare that they want peaceful Jihad. What a great somersault. It is easy for these elements to denounce their earlier stand because they are not fearful to Allah the Almighty. Ahmadies welcome this dramatic change. However, it took 100 years to accept his announcement.

    Abu Khurshid.

  24. Fikri says:

    Asslm’alkm wa rahmatullah..
    Brothers and sisters… I think the Ahmadiyya moslem community bring us The best Islamic teaching. Please come to the branches of The Ahmadiyya Muslim around the world and Insyallah you’ll find Peace, and the true Islamic teaching in their books.

  25. Akong says:

    Aluang Anak Bayang Says:

    Every ‘True’ Muslimah should know their position within polygamous and mistresses household; just as every ‘True’ jihadis know their right to ‘appetising vaginas’. It is all in the hadiths.

    For Kafiors and Christian like yourself, your place is in hell fire. Shame on all Christian worshipping Judas on the cross.

    Wasalam.

    The one who died on the cross was Jesus Christ not Judas. What you said is expected from a moustached man wearing a black hat like yourself. That’s simply the believe of uncivilized Muslims like yourself. Look at the developed world and Christians and learn from them.

  26. Abdullah says:

    Ahmediyya or better know as Qaidianis have few sects within themselves from where they have a difference in opinions on the caliphs of their founder Mr Mirza. Many false prophets have come after Prophet Mohammed pbuh and so will they continue. I have met you on the streets of London handing out your pamphlets to all that goes past you to give them dawa to your false religion that uses Islam as the platform as the pure and divine.

    The Muslim Ummah must be united in seeing the signs of prophethood. Mr Miza does not show much that has been attributed to him from above. Infact, he met his death in a toilet and believed trains were the sign of the anti-christ. More to the truth, he was a puppet of the British Raj to quel the Islamic uprising to kick their butts out of Hindustan so that a muslim country can be established (Pakistan) as a result.

    I ask any Ahmediyya to openly challenge me on the truth. You founder was not a new prophet nor was he Jesus nor was he Imam Mehdi nor was he a spiritually teacher. All signs of today shows Imam Mehdi and Jesus pboh are to come as man advances furhter into the future as defined by the Creator so that soon Man will want to challange the Creator.

    Personally, all I ask is for Qadianis to stop hiding behind the banner of Islam and instead proclaim yourselves as Christians or Jews. You have nothing to do with the Muslim nation. After all Qadianis believe strongly that they have the grave of Jesus stashed away somewhere in Pakistan or Kashmir confirmed by a Jews as their associates. You are not recognised by any of the four Islamic schools of thought nor are you permitted to enter Al-Harem. You read the Quran without understanding and out of context twisting words to create a difference. Every Qadiani needs to seriously wakeup from what you are practicing given to you by your forefathers who were deceived as most were illiterates.

    To all Muslim brothers and sisters who take the shadah in its true context (not just words that one repeats) to challenge the Qadianis and help them understand the true light of Islam that will previal until the Last Day. You will not be able to convince one or two but need bring this true understanding of Islam to their families as a whole as the Qadianis poison runs in their blood line. Be strong and understand with every beat of your heart it calls out Allah until you meet your Creator and leaf does not fall from the tree without the permission from its Creator – Allah-hu-Akbar!

  27. Rob says:

    Just as a matter of interest!

    Is it possible to have an open, transparent, and rational debate about Islam, the practice pf Islam, and the Qur’an that places Islam into a historical context and critiques what went into the Qur’an and what was left out?

    I am not convinced that critical academic research done by either Muslims themselves, or by religious scholars in a more general sense, is anti-Islam. The truth be told, if Islam is the religion of truth then it would stand the test of any scrutiny without the need to resort to calls of anti-Islam and violent retribution against those who wish to learn and understand more…

    As I said just a thought from a matter of interest perspective…

    Enjoy your coming week!

  28. Abdullah says:

    In Islam the Quran and the teaching of the prophet is very held very closely to the hearts of every muslim. To be a muslim you are in total submission to the Creator of all things you see around you and that which is concieved from you. The Quran is the revelation from the Creator to all mankind as a book of guidance which was practiced by Muhammed pbuh which remains an example for Muslims to follow. This is the heart of the Muslim faith – the total submission to Allah. Muslims absolutely love Muhammed pbuh for the sacrifices he made in his life an the message he brought to all nations. He could have stayed home and lived as a trader but instead he was hit by something extremely powerful that he went on to send the divine message to all corners of the world as far as he can take it. This was his obilgation to all of humanity to spread the divine message through the harsh desert terrain.

    Islam opens the door for debate and encourages this with those who wants to seek the truth who come with an open & honest heart to seek for the truth. For those who wants to quarrel and make mockery a Muslim would tell then we have our religion Islam and you have yours.

    Before engaging in any dialogue we need to understand what is reasoning, what is precieved as a healthy debate, and separating this to what could be offensive. In Islam it is deemed offensive anything that is not true. That is, a fact that one proclaims which has no supportive evidence.

    Now when reasoning turns to something extremely offensive to Muslims are examples like the cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed pbuh to be terrorist or Qadianis claim to be Muslims but not accepting the teachings and practices of the prophet (Muhammed pbuh). It is then only human nature and the right of every Muslim to protect the center of their belief and existence. There is no such thing as turn the other cheek in Islam. Instead Islam gives every muslim the right to defend its self which I think is fair. Given this, there are few clever people who understands this very well and went on to repeatedly offend the Muslims knowing full well what will happen. Clearly, to hurt not one but quite a few people around the globe, causing such a reaction that in turn provided free publicity. Given the media attention the offender then used this to better their lavish lifestyle using tax payers money under the pre-text of freedom of speech.

  29. Fazl Ahmad says:

    Why is everyone worried about Ahmadis? They want to ban them……Go ahead!
    Zia Ul Haq came to a right ROYAL end so will all the donkeys who will follow suit!
    Where is Ali Bhutto who listended to his stupid mullahs? IN THE GRAVE!

    Man plans and Allah also plans, but HE IS THE BEST OF PLANNERS

    If Ahmadiyyat was/ is false why is it that there are MILLIONS of followers everywhere …is it because Allah HATES them ? NO Allah loves them as they are so peace loving and full of TAQWA unlike all the rumour mongering , blood thirsty Sunni/ Shia!

    HISTORY shows that all the blood thirsty war farers dies an ignominous death
    so will many more, many more, many more……………Good Luck to you people
    Curse of Allah be on you !

  30. Murabit says:

    Qadianis should say kalima & desist from their false teachings otherwise their blood,property will be halaal.

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