65 Comments on “Aceh Tourism”

1. nobody says:

   March 9, 2011 at 11:20 am

   We care about Palestine AND the people in Sidoarjo, of course. Why does it have to be a zero sum game. How can you make a equivalent between a nation under occupation and a victim of a (might be a crime or a natural disaster)?

   Anyway, be assured that our reservoir of care is not that limited that we have to limit it on one subject at a time.

2. inong says:

   March 10, 2011 at 12:19 am

   here when ET did, oigal, he/she said:
   “ordering a total separation and enmity between Muslims and the People of the Book, the genocide of Jews and Christians and the abolition of their religions.”
   our God never ordered us to do the genocide. ET and oigal, you both see islam just in the way you want to; whatever we say won’t influence you at all. and honestly, all the lies and slanders that you tell me don’t influence my faith at all. here we come to surah Al-Kafiruun : lakum dinukum wa liyadiin (i’m sure you know what it means, ET). maybe ET think that palestinian now are happy with all the bombs and shoots from israel. yacks! how blind u are. maybe you’re happy too when u saw activists in mavi marmara were murdered just because they have humanity mission for palestine. haven’t u wayched video clip of GAZA by michael hart? btw, it’s so popular. but maybe u don’t know it since u an ET (do u live on earth, btw?)
   hey, oigal, i’ve told u to understand more about islam. studying isn’t forbidden for muslim women. there is a hadits about this. rasulullah said that: searching for knowledge is an obligation for every muslims; women and men. so, when thaliban in afganishtan intimidated those muslim women who wanted to go to school, that’s not because islam teaches us so, but that’s because those thaliban misinterpreted the quran and messages from rasulullah. here in aceh, for example, we as women have same opportunity for education and educated women are respected just like elsewhere.
   and we do care with our fellow muslims wherever they are. just like rasulullah said: all muslims are brothers and sisters. we have to care for all of them regardless their nationalities. of course i have simphaty for muslims in surabaya but it doesn’t mean that i start to ignore other brothers and sisters in other parts of the world.
   when our migrant beaten and raped in arab, that only shows that some of arabs do not have good faith. they must be punished for that. but islam is not arab. islam is for the world. don’t u understand that? however, many migrant workers get sweet stories from working in arab (certainly, it’s rare to talk about). i remember there is a woman who worked in arab to earn money to continue her study. now, she has got her post graduate degree. she said her employers were so kind and cared. not all arab will beat indonesian. what’s wrong with u oigal? first, you think that all acehnese will beat people on friday. now you think all arabs will beat indonesian workers. it seems that you’ve got too much idea about beating 🙂

3. ET says:

   March 10, 2011 at 11:38 am

   inong

   all the lies and slanders that you tell me don’t influence my faith at all.

   This is my last post in this thread on this subject. You are indoctrinated and trying to convince someone who is indoctrinated is like king Sisyphus rolling a boulder up on a hill only to watch it roll back down. I have only been keeping this conversation going in order to entice other readers to take up the Qur’an and it’s explanatory scriptures hadith and sirat and decide for themselves about Islam’s true nature.

   But please, before you bow back to Mecca try to have a modicum of intellectual integrity:

   As the Qur’an itself is not put together chronologically the order of the verses don’t give us the necessary context for a correct interpretation. This is why we have to consult the hadith (sayings of Mumammad) and the sirat (biographies) from which the islamic scholars derived the notion of ‘abrogation’, meaning that verses which were revealed later superseded similar but contradictory verses that were revealed before. Now it becomes interesting.

   “the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .’” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

   “fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

   “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

   “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33).

   [This verse is particularly interesting because it speaks of war against Allah. How can one make war against Allah, the Almighty, Creator and Ruler of the Universe and everything in it? Ibn Kathir, famous Mufassir (commentator of Qur’an) says of this verse: “‘Wage war’ mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.” So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for “disbelief.”]

   “Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

   “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise” (Qur’an 8:67). Read this tafsir about spoils of war, it is very interesting and revealing how to treat prisoners of war.

   The majority of the scholars say that the matter of prisoners of war is up to the Imam. If he decides, he can have them killed, such as in the case of Bani Qurayzah. If he decides, he can accept a ransom for them, as in the case of the prisoners of Badr, or exchange them for Muslim prisoners.

   “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘. . . I have been made victorious with terror . . .’” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

   “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next (in goodness)?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah’s Cause.’ The questioner again asked, ‘What is the next (in goodness)?’ He replied, ‘To perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). . .’” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25).

   “Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do” (Qur’an 8:38; ayah 39).

   Your hammering on the Israel/Palestinian conflict is also quite revealing because you make it seem like a religious conflict between Jews and Muslims. It is not. It is a political tribal conflict that predates the birth of Islam by more than a millenium but has been hijacked – yes hijacked, once again – by Muslims to further their own religio-political agenda inherited from Muhammad’s personal vendetta. The name “Palestine” comes, via Greek and Latin, from the Philistines, a people who occupied the southern coast of Canaan, their territory being named Philistia in later contexts. Since the beginning of recorded history there was almost perpetual war between the Israelites and the Philistines.

4. Oigal says:

   March 10, 2011 at 3:11 pm

   Sorry Inong,

   If you have gained the impression I would expect you to change your faith nothing could be further from the truth. I have no desire to impose my values or beliefs on others as long as they leave me and mine alone, its a shame that is not a two way street for all. All I have asked is for you to point out where exactly are the rules for Sharia laid down in plain and simple language. You say the Taliban are wrong, they say you are..You may say it’s ok women to drive cars, the Saudis as the guardians of Mecca say you are wrong. Is it too much to ask that you spell out what the people could expect under an Indonesian SHaria.
   You say you care for all Muslims then help me understand why you are so concerned or biased towards Palistine ( where Muslims kill Muslims in a largely secular tussle) but show so little outrage closer to home. Where are the demands to detain the PKS chairman until he proves his innocence or otherwise in the latest porn video, how is he different to Ariel?

   No there is nothing wrong with me, I just fail to grasp the inherent contradiction in ranting about a video in Gaza yet ignoring the torture, imprisonment and murder of your fellow Muslims in Iran for example. I recall the great demonstrations against the USA about gitmo prison yet not so much as a whimper about the thousands detained in Iran under far worse conditions …why is that? Where is your outrage on. The videos of Papua citizens being tortured or the video of 3 citizens being hacked to death by 1500 cowards.

   As for tourists to Aceh, as the man said nice beaches but not worth the hassle with uneducated thugs riding around it cars trying to prove their pious nature by humiliating those who lack the means to fight back.

5. Oigal says:

   March 10, 2011 at 3:14 pm

   Oh if you are going to call me a liar please provide an example? Same goes for slander? Thanks