Heretic Outreach
Jul 3rd, 2007, in News, by PatungThe government reaches out to heretics.
The head of the Bengkulu office of the Department of Religion (Depag), Mukhtaridi Baidjuri, has invited any members of non-orthodox Islamic groups to give up their strange beliefs and return to the fold of government approved Islam.
We are inviting them to return to the correct teachings, ie., those based on the Quran and hadiths of Muhammad.
He said there were many followers of heretical groups such as Ahmadiyah in Bengkulu and they often tried to spread their beliefs to others. In one village alone of North Bengkulu, called Sungai Hitam, there were 150 Ahmadiyah members, he worried. The Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) had already ruled that Ahmadiyah was unacceptable, he said, because Ahmadiyah recognised a prophet after Muhammad, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Pakistan, whereas in true Islam God had no more need of prophets after Muhammad bin Abdullah.
The call had already been sent out:
We have already invited them to return to true Islam, but the problem is that whether they choose to listen to us or not is up to them.
He said no force could be used to sway them, only urging and asking. However if they insisted on keeping to their false beliefs they must not attempt to proselytize to others, because this could lead to things happening that no-one wanted, he said.
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Shiva says:
Read this, Chucky
I see I see Gunung Merapi groaning.
Oh yes!! Gunung Merapi is groaning…..Sabdapalon is yawning…… and Sri Mapanji Jokoboyo is awakening and the time (“when iron wagons drive without horses and ships sail through the sky [i.e. cars and airplanes]”) for the arrival of a new ratu adil to sweep Islam from the island and restore Hindu-Javanese religion and civilization.
Lurking within the consciousness of many Indonesians must be knowledge of the inherent falseness and malignance of the teachings of Muhammad.
Indonesians where too frightened of the Arabs and other middle Eastern nationalities who have brutally co-opted their homeland and imposed this ungodly horror on them that is known as Islam.
It is he well-educated and wealthy Muslim middle and upper classes who are the fundamentalists, who increasingly support Wahhabism and al-Qaeda, and are robbing the and cheating the moderate Muslims in Indonesia.
The truly moderate Indonesian Muslims are the low-class uneducated people, who can not afford to become true Muslims, and lack proficiency in Arabic in order to understand al-Quran,or have plenty of time to pray five times a day, and do not have the money to make pilgrim to Mecca and to fulfil other Islamic duties.
These moderate Muslims strongly believe in Hinduism and animism, which are strictly forbidden by the TRUE Islam.
To a large and growing number of equally ‘modern’ Javanese, however, their ancient Hindu past is still very present indeed, and prophesied to come alive once more in the near future.
A utopian Hindu revival movement has emerged in Java over the last three decades of the twentieth century, and is gathering momentum in the turmoil of Indonesia’s continuing economic and political crisis.
Drawing on ancient prophesies, many of its members believe that a great natural cataclysm or final battle is at hand in which Islam will be swept from the island to conclude the current age of darkness.
Thereafter, they say, Hindu civilization will be restored to its former glory – with Java as the political center of a new world order that will last for a thousand years.
Adding to the concern of Muslim observers, the Javanese Hindu movement is part of a wider national phenomenon of Hindu revivalism and expansion. Situated at the heart of Indonesia, however, the Hindu movement in Java may have the most serious implications yet for the social and political stability of the nation as a whole.
In an unpublished report in 1999, the National Indonesian Bureau of Statistics tacitly admits that nearly 100.000 Javanese have officially converted or ‘reconverted’ from Islam to Hinduism over the last two decades.
Repeated experiences of harassment or worse have left adherents of Javanist traditions with deep-seated fears and resentments.
In interviews conducted in 1999, recent Hindu converts in eastern and central Java confessed that they had felt comfortable with a tenuous Islamic identity until 1965, but that their ‘hearts turned bitter’ once they felt coerced to disavow their private commitment to ‘Hindu Javanese ‘ traditions by abandoning the specific ritual practices which had come to be associated therewith.
The choice between Islam and Hinduism is often a highly personal matter. Many converts reported that other members of their families have remained ‘Muslims’, out of conviction or in the hope that they will be free to maintain their Javanist traditions in one way or another
INDONESIA WON’T STAY ISLAMIC FOR-EVER
MORE.
“Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures” (98:6).
Yeeeah baby bring it on
I am the god of hell fire and I bring you:
Fire, I’ll take you to burn.
Fire, I’ll take you to learn.
I’ll see you burn!You fought hard and you saved and learned,
but all of it’s going to burn.
And your mind, your tiny mind,
you know you’ve really been so blind.
Now ‘s your time burn your mind.
You’re falling far too far behind.
Oh no, oh no, oh no, you gonna burn!
Fire, to destroy all you’ve done.
Fire, to end all you’ve become.
I’ll feel you burn!
You’ve been living like a little girl,
in the middle of your little world.
And your mind, your tiny mind,
you know you’ve really been so blind.
Now ‘s your time burn your mind,
you’re falling far too far behind -
dewaratugedeanom says:
Cukurungan said
Car is the results of self evolution iron, Pisang goreng is the results of self evolution of banana and sosis is self evolution of a cow.
Finally you convinced me that Allah invented cars, pisang goreng and sosis and that Muhammad was the first kaki lima.
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Shiva said
In an unpublished report in 1999, the National Indonesian Bureau of Statistics tacitly admits that nearly 100.000 Javanese have officially converted or ‘reconverted’ from Islam to Hinduism over the last two decades.
Believe me or not but since the bombings many Javanese students visiting Bali have asked me to explain about Balinese Hinduism, telling me they were fed up with what Islam has become. One time I was asked to accompany a whole group to a temple festival and teach them how we pray. After doing so they seemed very relieved.
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Sputjam says:
dewaratugedeanom Says:
Why do monotheists believe there has to be a Creator? What if the Universe simply was and always will be there – possibly in different states or configurations – and what we consider being God or godly is part of the evolutionary process? Who knows in a distant future mankind or his evolutionary successors will fit the ontological description of God
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Same question I asked when I was young. Until i read a book about clinical deaths.
These are experience of people who died but revived and all have similar experience.
They felt free and relieved of their responsibility, floated above their body, went through a dark passage, confronted by a being of light, their whole life experience was replayed in one moment.Now why would the life experience of individuals be felt in one moment unless you are being judged.
Was confucious transmitting similar messages? after all his books were burnt during the Chin dynasty. What you read now are some of the works that survived. -
Aluang Anak Bayang says:
Mas Sputjam, I went through almost similar life experience.
“I went to a disaster zone, I’ve seen the outpout of humanity – the generosity, the compassion, the kind-heartedness, the good will of mankind toward another fellow being”.
Then it occured to me,
Now, why would one person be benevolent to another unless Islam is true. -
Sputjam said
Now why would the life experience of individuals be felt in one moment unless you are being judged.
Was confucious transmitting similar messages? after all his books were burnt during the Chin dynasty. What you read now are some of the works that survived.Sputjam, this is not about books from the past, this is about science from the present. And as long as science doesn’t give us all the answers, the only thing we can do is speculate. This doesn’t mean one has to be an atheist, agnosticism will do just fine. But forcing ones speculations, even with violence, upon others is a criminal thing.
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The experience felt by those who have gone through clinical deaths are well documented. In fact there are many such books written by diverse authors.
For those who disbelief in God, at the moment of desperation, they will all cry out to God for assistance. (a reflex action of some sort.)
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Cukurungan says:
Sputjam,
For those who disbelief in God, at the moment of desperation, they will all cry out to God for assistance. (a reflex action of some sort.)
Cukurungan:
It wasn’t always so, some people just take ropes to hang himself or takes cyanide to eliminate those desperation.
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Oigal says:
“For those who disbelief in God, at the moment of desperation, they will all cry out to God for assistance. (a reflex action of some sort.)”
I heard Oscar Wilde upon his death bed being asked to renounce satan replied “This is no time to be making new enemies”.
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About the experience of people who revived after clinical death Sputjam said
Now why would the life experience of individuals be felt in one moment unless you are being judged.
At the moment of death we are judged by the god we created inside ourselves.
Your comments just a bit fun for the islam hater who can do nothing except crying while watching un-stoppable growing of the Islam in which already reach more than 1.3 billion and made Islam became the fastest growing religion in this earth.
Why do Muslims always keep on fooling themselves by continuously repeating theirs is the fastest growing religion? Where are the proofs other than their own propaganda? When do you become a Muslim? By just saying once “asyhadu an la ila ha illalallah waasyhadu ana Muhammadar rasulullah” (I witness there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet)?
Sounds a bit like behaviorist therapy, if you constantly repeat your own lies in the end you believe it is the truth. Other than this and the extreme simplicity of its theology and moral teachings I can see no reason for Islam’s attraction to more than a billion adherents.
O yes, of course, there is also intimidation and FEAR. -
dewaratugedeanom Says:
Why do Muslims always keep on fooling themselves by continuously repeating theirs is the fastest growing religion? Where are the proofs other than their own propaganda? When do you become a Muslim? By just saying once “asyhadu an la ila ha illalallah waasyhadu ana Muhammadar rasulullah” (I witness there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet)?
Sounds a bit like behaviorist therapy, if you constantly repeat your own lies in the end you believe it is the truth. Other than this and the extreme simplicity of its theology and moral teachings I can see no reason for Islam’s attraction to more than a billion adherents.
O yes, of course, there is also intimidation and FEAR.Cukurungan :
I was born a moslem because my parents is also moslem even they don’t come from a devout moslem family.
What you mean a lies, it seemed the facts and the reality life you don’t like to face it you called a lie. Hem hem..outcome of the teaching by the fake Jewish (Shiva bin Shalom) apperently is working on you.
You can say anything about Islam but the world’s well known Institution acknowledged that the Islam followers has been reached more than 1.3 billions even we do nothing just make love, we can easily maintain our growth better than the rest. Of course,the Islam basher especially in the virtual world’s can claim otherwise by saying theirs blog is a favorite blog with a million hit in every second and made statement that every day moslem starting leaves Islam. But in the real world’s is nothing happen while Islam already 700 years in this country and since Suharto took power, he unconsciously strengthened the Islam gripp in this country by imposing some regulations both in the public life and school life in favors of Islam and the out come is quite clear, my mother said, she was only students at high school do sholat at her time, there was about 5 person in total 70 students do sholat in my time and today almost all Muslim students in public school do sholat. In 1996 when I was joined with Fluor Daniels, there was only a handful employees who do sholat in mushola office but today most the office mushola are fully crowded with employees do sholat.
Now you can check in other world’s how the good educated Turkeys people don’t leave Islam while in other hand they want to be part of Europe, so again and again nothing you can do to make people leaving Islam but you don’t need so pessimistic because once day when the time has come and the sun rises from the west, the Islam will gone forever in this world’s…. in meantime we invite you to enjoy our generosity by giving you two good option :
1) Please be patient, the time hasn’t come yet.
2) You can create in your own delusion that there’s many people leaving Islam.So again please enjoy your delusion we won’t bother and don’t forget to watch kethoprak show tonight that Prabu Jokoboyo and Sabdapalon will wipe out Islam from the Java island .
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Cukurungan Says
You can say anything about Islam but the world’s well known Institution acknowledged that the Islam followers has been reached more than 1.3 billions
This figure may hold true if you are a Kaffir lump all the different moslem sects together.
There are many sects and groups who consider themselves Muslims, but are not accepted as Muslim by most other Muslims. For example, neither Sunni nor Shi’a Muslims accept each other nor do the accept the
An-Nusayriyyah (“Alawis”),
Qadianis (Ahmadiyah),
Yazidis
Ismailis
Kemalism
Druze
Zaydis
Dawoodi Bohra
or adherents of the Nation of Islam as fellow Muslims.Now let us presume chucky is a Shia moslem, the the quoted figure would be greatly reduced by 80%
Now if chuckey was a Ahmadiyah, the numbers would be even worse.
Strange to see that when it come to moslems claiming how many moslems there are, they include sects and groups that are considered to be heretic and non-islamic.
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Cukurungan said
You can say anything about Islam but the world’s well known Institution acknowledged that the Islam followers has been reached more than 1.3 billions
There we go again. Sounds like a broken record.
In 1996 when I was joined with Fluor Daniels, there was only a handful employees who do sholat in mushola office but today most the office mushola are fully crowded with employees do sholat.
A well-known phenomenon with dying patients is a temporary revival before total collapse.
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dewaratugedeanom Says:
Finally you convinced me that Allah invented cars, pisang goreng and sosis and that Muhammad was the first kaki lima.
Cukurungan :
No, God never ivented anything because God isn’t inventors but God is a creator of everything while the creature only discover, reveal and make something from the stuff given by God.
God can create something from nothing while the human ultimate ability is only alter or modify God creation. I will join with Atheism once mankind could create “nyamuk” , “semut”or other simple living creature. I will join with Atheism once mankind could create a machine or tools to evade from any un-convenient even automatically.
Shiva :
This figure may hold true if you are a Kaffir lump all the different moslem sects together.
There are many sects and groups who consider themselves Muslims, but are not accepted as Muslim by most other Muslims. For example, neither Sunni nor Shi’a Muslims accept each other nor do the accept theCukurungan :
We never recognized that AHMADIYAH and those tiny sects part of the main streams Islam and their number is less than 30 million. Sects and Groups in a religion isn’t monopoly by Islam only because any religion has same nature and I believe that you know better than me how many sects in Christianity and other big religion
Anyway if you want to compare it by every single sects, Sunni Moslem is still ranked number 2 below Catholic .
However, it is my personal obligations to make my customers always smile therefore again and again you’re cordially invited to enjoy your own delusion.
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Ktut Asmara says:
sugeng siang Beli?
I want to say that Christianity and Islam both are ridiculous religions. Both teach that unofficial other deviations from orthodoxical point of Chriatianity/Islam forbidden. But for me, as a Hindu I am taught anything goes. Christianity is famous for killing the heretic Gallileo and burning Erasmus, poor religion! Hare Khrisna!!!kenken bae, yaaaaa
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ghoyim genit says:
Is lam is spread with anger and sword , Christianity is not. Christianity comes because the people in this world need it. Lets pray for Cukurungan , may Jesus loves hin !
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zahid says:
(Ahmadiyah was unacceptable, he said, because Ahmadiyah recognised a prophet after Muhammad, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Pakistan, whereas in true Islam God had no more need of prophets after Muhammad bin Abdullah.)
that is not true becuase the difference between the other muslims and Ahmadi muslims is that they are waiting for amam mahdi (promised messiah) as prophescised by the Holy Prophet whereas Ahmadis beleive that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is the promised messiah, who brings the 100% same teachings as the Holy Prophet. Ahmadis beleive the same five pillars of Islam and Holy Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is the last prophet. Anti Ahmadis are doing this wrong propoganda to create the hate for their political and fundamental acheivements. what they are doing is not the real teaching of Islam and Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).
Thats why they are scared to debate.
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Assalamualaikum Cuk, re Ihaknt’s unislamic comment. I can’t hack into her account, so I will leave kaffir to Allah to goreng. Anyway her comment is unintelligent and according to islamic teaching, women are stupid and inferior, here is proof:
1)Lesser inheritance
2)Liability to divorce and inability to divorce
3)Men can have multiple wives, but a woman can have only one husband
4)The wife must stay secluded at home
5)A woman must keep her head covered inside the house
6)A woman’s court testimony is only counted as half of a man
7)A woman cannot leave the house except accompanied by a near relative
8)Only men can take part in Friday and feast day prayers and funerals
9)A woman cannot be a ruler or judge
Read this, Cuk.
“Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures” (98:6).
He rejected the truth even when it was so obvious to him. He is also ‘the people of the book.’ He exposed our jihadi brother, Sputjam, in the act of Taqiyah. He rubbed your nose against the gravel so many times in this forum – this is also the reason I have to snap out of my taqiyah suit to help you. We should stop him before Allah punished us for not doing enough. I see Gunung Merapi groaning.
Brother, he is one of us. Read this, 3:54, saying that “Allah was the best of deceivers” … He is a taqiyah tactician. Damn, do I have to babysit you all the time. Read your quran, bro. That evil ape exposed bro Sputjam before he could entice a few more bules to the fold of Islam. Curse Be Upon Him.
Salam.