Fraternizing

Jun 6th, 2007, in News, by

Young men and women are still mixing freely in Aceh.

The Majelis Permusyawaratan Ulama (MPU), a clerical body, said in May that “cafes” in the capital Banda Aceh, like roadside stalls and simple restaurants, were still allowing young girls and boys, who weren’t related to each other or married, to fraternize unsupervised by sitting next to each other, even while it was time to pray.

Tengku Muktaruddin Bayan of the MPU said:

Because of this we ask the city government of Banda Aceh to deal with cafes that are not supporting Islamic law and are violating it.

There were a lot of these roadside cafes in Banda Aceh nowadays, he said, and they were all full of teenagers.

Sometimes the teenagers go together as couples, it’s a clear opportunity for them to commit sin, above all because the cafes are screened off and the kids gather there late at night.

It didn’t stop there:

Some of the cafes play loud music even when the call to prayer is going out at maghrib.

Something had to be done:

The law has to be imposed on them, if we are the ones who do it wer’e afraid because they have men there who guard the places.

He said the most frequent youthful violators of Islamic law in Banda Aceh were the sons and daughters of government officials and clerics. Such privileged young people needed some special re-education, he said. gatra


43 Comments on “Fraternizing”

  1. Dimp says:

    Cuk,

    There is no question that Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Kuwait have oil but they also applied shariah law ( you said ” will triger isolation”) then why many foreigner include non moslem are willing go and stay in there.

    Why, because they get paid a lot of money.

    Can you imagine if there is no shariah applied in those countries, I bet you there will be more foreginers are willing to go and work there.

    BTW, does shariah law applicable to non moslems?

  2. Cukurungan says:

    Dimp,

    Our beloved country paid much better than those Arabic country to the foregner, if you don’t believe you may ask BP migas or Freeport to compare how much bule get paid in here.

    The number foreigner stay in those countries are already surpassed number of their own people why then they need more foreigner come there.

    Hi hi hi their syariah law is also applicable for non-moslem if you don’t believe go there and touch or grab a woman in the mall and let us see what the punishment will be given to you.

  3. Dimp says:

    Cuk,

    Our beloved country paid much better than those Arabic country to the foregner, if you don’t believe you may ask BP migas or Freeport to compare how much bule get paid in here.

    Only a few foreigners get paid heaps of money in Indo, and these are only for the ‘chiefs’, if there’s any foreign ‘indians’ they’ll get peanuts, while in the gulf with the amount of oil and the increasing price you will get heaps of money regardless where you work and what type of work you are doing. I remember a conversation I was having on board an aircraft with another fellow, he insist for me to work in Dubai, they got too much money and no idea how to spend them. There is no way that Indonesia pay the foreigners more money than the Middle Eastern country, you are halucinating.

    The number foreigner stay in those countries are already surpassed number of their own people why then they need more foreigner come there.

    Because they need their skills period.

    Hi hi hi their syariah law is also applicable for non-moslem if you don’t believe go there and touch or grab a woman in the mall and let us see what the punishment will be given to you.

    Cuk, to punish people who assault women you don’t need shariah law. What I meant of course is other things that is covered by shariah law and not others such as the consumption of alcohol. Moslems are forbidden to consume alcohol, while non moslems are allowed in places like Dubai, so that means the shariah law is not applicable to these foreigners.

    Cuk, you are just one ignorant person, there is no reasoning with you, I believe this would be the last time I will discuss things with you. I have more chance reasoning with my 3 year old nephew, he seems to have more common sense and intelligence to have discussion with. Good luck for you in the future, although I doubt that you will have any peace with that kind of attitude. Maybe I should be wishing the people around you good luck.

  4. Ihaknt says:

    Cuk, your words are not too complicated for anyone. It’s just your English is sh**, hence it becomes confusing. Yes, it’s better than bule’s Indonesian, but why always try to compare yourself with others in area that needs work? (this is very typical Indonesian characteristic, “we are ok cos there are others that are worse”). Indonesian doesnt use much grammar and whichever order you speak, most people will still understand you. But English has rules, even as simple as which is noun and which is adjective.

    And for your arguement that foreigners get paid more in Indo? Do your research. Foreigners get paid sh*tload of money in Dubai and some even tax free.

    Dimp, although it’s forbidden to drink alcohol in Arab world, it’s still easy to get them if you know the right people. They still hold parties where there is alcohol.

  5. Cukurungan says:

    Dear Ihaknt,

    Why I should need more research because myself is controlling $300 million annual budget for my division include salary for the bule we paid bule tukang gali tunnel not less than $15k per months, we paid engineer and superintendent about $20 to $25k. There is still additional living costs bonuses around $2K/month.

    Do you think those Arabic country so generous and so stupid and wasted their money to pay a dumb bule. You can check the vacant position offered in the middle east countries and there’s no extravagant salary their offering mostly around $40K to $120 K for engineer to chief/superintendent or below our rate. In our oil/gas industry bule don’t need to worry about those high salary because everything under operating costs will be reimbursed by Government/bpmigas. What you need to do just play it nicely you know what I mean.

    Shariah is not for controlling inside of every house. As long as you don’t drink it and get drunk in public facilities everything is your own with God.

    Regard,
    AMUNGME SON

  6. Ihaknt says:

    Do you think those Arabic country so generous and so stupid and wasted their money to pay a dumb bule.

    You’ll be surprise, Mr. Ignorant.

    You paid or you pay? If you paid then now you dont have those bules anymore?

  7. dewaratugedeanom says:

    Cukurungan

    Sorry if my word so complicated for you, let check again what I said “there is two warring faction strugle for power like anywhere in this world” and not because shariah. See how other war such as Nepal maoist Vs Nepal Kingdom and Columbia Communism vs Columbia government, all parties involved in those war didn’t bring any shariat matter but they are the same nature like what happenned in the Gaza that is the power struggle between two warring faction and not because of shariah. Is that clear sir.

    No, it’s not clear. If you pretend that syariah is not the reason for the ‘power struggle’ in Gaza, then tell us what it is. Power struggles are based on disagreement about certain issues and not just who sits on the throne. And please don’t act so over the top as if you are the one who knows everything. Better do some serious research and don’t rely on madrasah and pesantren argumentation. We know what methods they teach.

    Cukurungan said:

    If I am not mistake you are balinese, out of this discussion I am so amazed with the golden heart and attitude inheretted by them wherever the balinese community settle they always live in harmony with other society.

    Are the Balinese to stay out of the discussion and shut up? After what happened in 2002 and 2005? Are you kidding?

  8. Ihaknt says:

    No Dewa, you must fight all those annoying religious fanatics who think they are so holly.

  9. Cukurungan says:

    dewaratugedeanom ,

    Sorry for my bad english, I mean “diluar topik diskusi disini, saya kagum dengan hati emas yg dimiliki orang bali”. I wasn’t asking Balinese to quite in this forums you can say anything what you like to say and I am not moderator or pretend to become one of them. yes there’s no question that some commentator was trying to hijack “patung authority” and demanded other not to say this, that ect.

    I knew in today times , the upper class balinese like you faced hard times because ordinary balinese demanded the same community obligations.

    Now back to discussion ,
    Can you tell me what is caused of war in Srilangka between Tamil vs Sinhala, war in Nepal between maoist vs kingdom and War in Columbia between government vs comunis rebell.

    If your answer that the root cause all of those war caused by shariah law and not caused by power struggle of two warring faction, hence goods day gentleman we better stop here and meet in other topics.

    Btw, congratulations to all balinese now you have an advisor from kanguru country who will advice you when and how to fight on.

    Regard,
    Amungme Son

  10. dewaratugedeanom says:

    Cukurungan,

    Can you tell me what is caused of war in Srilangka between Tamil vs Sinhala, war in Nepal between maoist vs kingdom and War in Columbia between government vs comunis rebell.

    If your answer that the root cause all of those war caused by shariah law and not caused by power struggle of two warring faction, hence goods day gentleman we better stop here and meet in other topics.

    Cukurungan, the wars in Sri Langka, in Nepal and Columbia have nothing to do with syariah. At least we agree on that. In these places there are other issues at stake. Don’t think that the whole world lies awake about syariah. I was only talking about Gaza and other places with a lot of Muslims.

    Btw, congratulations to all balinese now you have an advisor from kanguru country who will advice you when and how to fight on.

    I don’t understand why you suddenly refer to kanguru country. Do you think I am Australian? Are you suffering from paranoia with regard to bule countries?

  11. Rob says:

    Dear Raden,

    Your view is interesting. Are corrupt elites promoting Syariah law to intimidate anyone who would expose them? That would depend on how independent Syariah judges are from the political elite. There has been a proposal that in Aceh, officials convicted of corruption should have their hands chopped off. That was clearly not proposed by the political elite. Even if it became law I doubt it would be enforced. But, clearly, most Indonesians don’t want their houses invaded by vigilanties looking for booze or have their daughters canned for allowing a little wrist to show. So long as there is any democracy, I don’t think that people who propose that will be elected (after people see that it is not a cure all.) Right now, 40% of the local legislators are not reelected. So, there is some democracy. Right now people can fool themselves into thinking that Syariah law will magically eliminate problems. But, Aceh is already showing that it doesn’t eliminate any problems and creates a whole new bunch.

  12. Naga says:

    “Btw, congratulations to all balinese now you have an advisor from kanguru country who will advice you when and how to fight on.”

    How on earth are you responsible for anything?

  13. Cukurungan says:

    dewaratugedeanom :

    I don’t understand why you suddenly refer to kanguru country. Do you think I am Australian? Are you suffering from paranoia with regard to bule countries?

    Cukurungan :

    Didn’t you notice what Mrs Ihaknt said to you? She is a new Australian citizens and she has to prove to Mr Howard that she is a goods citizen and ready to fight for the australian cause.

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