Anti Islam Website
May 12th, 2007, in News, by PatungAn anti Islam website run by a Christian political party.
Dozens of people from the “Forum Remaja Islam” (FRI), Islamic Youth Forum, descended on the offices of the Partai Damai Sejahtera (PDS), Prosperous Peace Party, on 11th May in Solo, Central Java, to complain about the existence of a PDS website which insulted Islam, specifically by casting aspersions on the character of Muhammad bin Abdullah, the prophet of Islam.
Partai Damai Sejahtera.
Some representatives of the mob entered the PDS offices and were met by local party chairman Effendi Siahaan. As they discussed the problem some shouting and threats were heard however no violence occurred. okezone
Effendi Siahaan later said he had no idea about the website, which is apparently no longer operational, or what the name of the website was. Effendi further said that those responsible for the creation of the website would be punished, assuming they were found, and he has transmitted an apology to all Muslims in Solo through local media channels. okezone
On 11th May, just after the “Forum Remaja Islam” (FRI) visit to PDS offices in Solo, the leader of the PDS nationally, Denny Tewu, announced that he had dismissed several members of the party’s central committee in Solo. The reason given was that the offenders had caused sectarian hatreds to rear their head. The Solo branch of the party has essentially been taken over by the Central Java office. partaidamaisejahtera
A Jawa Pos report of 11th May states that the offfensive material was not a “website” but an “article” on a website. jawapos In this report Effendi Siahaan is supposed to have said that the PDS does not have an official website – which doesn’t seem to be the case – http://www.partaidamaisejahtera.com/. http://www.partaidamaisejahtera.com/ until recently had a moderately active web forum – this forum has been removed sometime in the last week however pages from it can still be viewed via Google cache: site:www.partaidamaisejahtera.com vbulletin. There are many “anti Islam” topics to found in the cached results.
195 Comments on “Anti Islam Website”
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Cukurungan says:
Mas Donny Yth,
I just only take your own word that you claimed your self as an infidel or non-believer….non-muslim ..or someone who do not believe with Quran and Hadist but why you use a slice Hadist here or slice Quran there as basis of your evidence….so tell me pak how your brain is working?
regards,
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deta says:
Dony, do not see things partially. Islam must be understood as a whole, rather than in bits and pieces through some websites on the internet. It’s easy to blundred by the verses in al quran, considering the limitation of human ability to translate it. But since you are very persistent about this chopping hand topic, I try to share my opinion anyway:
Chopping hand, or stoning, or whatever law you use to attack islam, are applied given that the Sharia law, including the law of justice and prosperity, has been fully applied (do you think there is a country which has fully applied shariah law nowadays like in prophet era, donny? I don’t think so). An example occurred in the era of Caliph Umar in which a child who stole was not punished, but it was the neighbor who let the child starve was convicted. It is just an example that you have to see the whole picture of Islam before you try to arrange the puzzles, otherwise you will misplace them.
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donny says:
Woah … you’re totally right, Deta … Islam must be understood as a whole =D
thus you cannot ignore the fact that 1400 years old tradition is still done until NOW … and it is COMPULSORY for you to practice them … like slay the infidels ?? tell me how should it translated ?
and do please tell me why a book that holy, that should be a guidance is very difficult to translate ??
note : I have read Koran thoroughly =D and do please do not underestimate my knowledge on Koran
I am not attacking Islam … I’m saying that Islam must also change to be better … all nonsense must be kept in history book, instead of being applied now …
I want all of my muslim brothers and sisters can go and visit my home without carrying his sword … where we all can have a cup of tea, without me fearing losing my head (chopped off), I want a world where we all can smile and help each other instead of slaying each other …
regarding caliph umar, which is tolerant – could you show me the fact ? sahih hadith ?
and if he’s soooo tolerant … while Caliph Umar is one major key person in Islamic History … why now many Islamic countries being so barbaric by chopping of hands and feet ? stoning people ?? because that makes me sick …back to topic … please answer my guestion … simply YES or NO =D
do you agree with chopping hands & legs of child thieves, who steal for food ? or killing your sisters because she’d been raped ? or stoning your sister for marrying a man from other sects of Islam ?
or perhaps we share the same dreams of world peace ??
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Well Hello pak Cuk yth
I thank you for respecting me … by saying yth (I believe it means the honored one)
shall we continue the discussion ?
I just only take your own word that you claimed your self as an infidel or non-believer….non-muslim ..or someone who do not believe with Quran and Hadist but why you use a slice Hadist here or slice Quran there as basis of your evidence….so tell me pak how your brain is working?
regards,
servant of the truthI am not a muslim – simply that makes me not worthy of your attention ? and to be slayed ? and once more you slipping awayyyy from answering my questions and fail to show valid evidence …
I never said that prophet Mohammed (pbuh) have no virtue
I said that as every man, he made mistakes … and this kind of mistakes should not be carried on to modern era …that’s why there’s a tradition in Islam to pray for him, right ? remember word “Peace Be Upon Him?? ” why do we need to pray for someone without mistakes ? He shhould be in utmost peace and Allah should accept him straightaway, right ?
I am using Hadith and Koran since I based my opinion on FACT … not just blabbering away
means I have done my homework … and you don’t
“bravery to admit that we’re wrong is the quality of real man”
show me the error of my ways and I’ll change it …
still afraid to answer my question ?? of which you promised to answer ??
do you agree with chopping hands & legs of child thieves, who steal for food ? or killing your sisters because she’d been raped ? or stoning your sister for marrying a man from other sects of Islam ?
funny thing is you called yourself servant of truth … consider changing it to something more humble and appropriate … since you failed to show the truth …
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@ donny
Your question has been answered in my post above, if you care enough to listen to others. It can’t be answered simply by the childish way yes or no, since life is not that black and white. And don’t push others to answer by yes or no just to please you. That’s barbaric you see?
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Donny, uh, my last comment on this thread (I guess). You don’t need a muslim to kill you since you’re killing yourself by being paranoid about muslim chopping your head.
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Deta …
I dissapointed with your comment … way below my expectation …
you did not dare answer simple question about humanity ? and you fail to support your comment with proof ?
and I am not pushing Mr. Cuk … he himself PROMISED me to answer my questions … but he doesnot … he is running away and presenting arguments that falls short of my expectation of learned muslims …
I will answer your question but I would like to know your opinion a little situation as below
and I have clearly stated my opinion … I’ve done my part =D
he even did not know or appreciate the rules of healthy discussion … that everything we claims must be based on fact … =D
and if you think simply demanding answer is barbaric – funny though that you did not dare to claim that chopping of hands of thieves, stoning women is way more than barbaric … this custom should be changed, right ?
you say life is not black and white … YES I agree, but please tell it to the poor woman who died from the stones thrown by upholders of islamic law …
regarding my fear :
yes I am afraid … I am afraid that some of my friend, my bestest buddies will someday turn to me with sword in his hand and wants to kill me and my family, rape my wife and daughter, looting my belongings because his religion commands him to do so …I am truly afraid that I cannot call them brother and sisters anymore …
before that happened … something must be done … I do not want to lose my friends, my bestest buddies … I wish I still able to call them “brothers” / “sisters”
don’t you get the point ?? it is not attacking something, some religion here … it’s how to ensure that we did not repeat the same mistake, that we have to change to something better, that we recognise the need for a change … that we are all brothers and sisters … fellow human being created by the same Creator …
or perhaps you don’t think non muslim as human being ?
funny thing is I realize that by doing this, I am also campaigning non violence towards muslims done by muslims … and from any violence done by human being to fellow human being …
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Human: Hey, you just let the rapists go away just because the (raped) woman couldn’t present 4 witnesses. Isn’t that barbaric?
Gotymuzzie: Brrb… blip…. ala ala ala ala ala…. Yippi, yippi yaw.
Human: I’m sorry I couldn’t understand you. Please give me a simple yes or no answer. In english, please.
Gotymuzzie: It can’t be answered simply by the childish way yes or no, since life is not that black and white.
Human: ??? -
@ Donny, Diego
I actually decided to resign from this thread, but since you kept calling my name (and diego acted as a nasty provoker) so here I am..
Regarding your question about do I agree with chopping hand..bla..bla…this is my answer:
YES. I agree if the sharia law has been fully applied like in prophet era, guaranteeing justice and prosperity for each member of the society.
But if it is applied as a single law in this corrupt and full of injustice environment, my answer will be NO, NO, NO. Satisfied?About the misuse of the verses of Al Quran by our barbaric friends, trust me, it is not only your concern. Ours is greater.
And Diego, I am sick of hearing some people blabbering away about 4 witness…4 witness…bla..bla…. So let’s see the verse:
And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, (to support their allegations), flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors; (QS An Nuur : 4)So if a woman is raped, it is not the woman that must bring 4 witnesses, but the people who allege that she has committed adultery who have to bring the 4 witnesses before stoning her.
It is just an example of how some verses in Al Quran have been twisted and it is unbelievable you, as an educated person I presume, would easily buy it.
Now if you guys let me be back to the civilization…..
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Mas Dony Yth,
What is kind of answer you expect from me? If “yes” make you are happy, so my answer is yes, if “no” make you are happy then my answer is no. Are you happy now?
But you still have not answer my question yet completely, what make you disgusting to have affair with your MIL, she is still Hot while your wife is also pleasing you because she care her mother and she want her mother get service from the right man in this case is you. Let me know what ground to support your claimed it is disgusting.
Do not be shy just Tell it like it is Dony the Koran and Hadist Expert as your claim
Deta,
I recommend you to stay away from this forum because this is not approprite place for a good muslim like you while my self just a dirty muslim and this forums is the best place I ever found to entertain my brother from the other belief.
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Well … hello Deta
truly dissapointed with you … I once think you are an educated muslimah, of whom we can have intellectual discussion …
but now you failed to do it, never done your homework, fail to provide proof based on solid facts and did not even know the history of Islam … and thus decided to bail out ?
And I most surprised that your are sickened to read passage from Koran ?
and obviously you did not understand the meaning of the verse and its application in islamic countries, and why there were sooo many honor killings, most of them goes unreported, unpunished
that means that if 4 men (it’s not difficult to have 4 enemies, you know) agrees that you commit adultery (regardless whether their charge right or wrong) you have to bring 4 man also to fight their charges … if not … youll be buried and stoned to death …
or perhaps some male family member will kill you for tainting family’s honorTHIS IS FACT … IT IS BITTER … I KNOW … BUT IT IS FACT … and still happened in many parts of islamic world …
read this one … real source of 4 witnesses
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (5:59:462) – too long to be presented here … go check it by yourself
The background for the Qur’anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad’s favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.
(2:282) “Call two witness from among your men … And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women.”
A woman is worth one-half a man.
now … WHICH ONE I TWISTED ?? I haven’t change anything … or perhaps you did not familiar with hadith ?
answer:
YES. I agree if the sharia law has been fully applied like in prophet era, guaranteeing justice and prosperity for each member of the society.
But if it is applied as a single law in this corrupt and full of injustice environment, my answer will be NO, NO, NO. Satisfied?thank you for start being honest … yet sorry to say that you’re deluded …
Justice & prosperity ? really ? you should be mentioning “justice and prosperity FOR MUSLIMS” … and death for infidels – read more about massacre to Bani Quraiza … whereas 600 – 900 males (which already surrendered) were massacred, tortured … their belongings looted, wives, boys and daughters sold as slaves … is this prosperity and justice you’re talking about ?
and you’re honest by saying that all non muslims will be subjected to cruel treatment if muslims rule the world and many poor thieves will lose their hands and feet …
and it’s not likely that you’ll enter the heaven … as most of the dwellers of hell were women … and even if you do, you still have to share your husband with many many houris ?and please READ about history of Islam before commenting … because your argument is feeble and without solid base … you are the one who picking cherries, only picking the good and leave the bad …
let’s start campaign to change the world to a better place … =D
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Well Hello Cukkk … =D
What is kind of answer you expect from me? If “yes” make you are happy, so my answer is yes, if “no” make you are happy then my answer is no. Are you happy now?
very cleverrrr … really love your answer …
as usual … running and hiding … face me with fact, please =DI respect Deta more than you … since she’s honest at the least … =D
not a coward without knowledge as you were =DBut you still have not answer my question yet completely, what make you disgusting to have affair with your MIL, she is still Hot while your wife is also pleasing you because she care her mother and she want her mother get service from the right man in this case is you. Let me know what ground to support your claimed it is disgusting.
You have a sick and twisted mind, my friend … normal human being will never do such despicable act … clear enough, I think …
or perhaps that’s your secret wish ?? if so, tell me so I can tell your MIL =D
don’t be shy … come on … =D -
very cleverrrr … really love your answer …
as usual … running and hiding … face me with fact, please =DI respect Deta more than you … since she’s honest at the least … =D
not a coward without knowledge as you were =DIt is free world and you are cordially invited to call me whatever you like as long as you are happy.
You have a sick and twisted mind, my friend … normal human being will never do such despicable act … clear enough, I think …
It is not clear enough and you are only running and hiding behind word of “despicable act” while without any explanation and reasoning why make love with your MIL is disgusting ? Are your MIL disgusting?
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Donny, I can’t understand how you interpret this verse:
And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, (to support their allegations), flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors; (QS An Nuur : 4)
into this:
that means that if 4 men (it’s not difficult to have 4 enemies, you know) agrees that you commit adultery (regardless whether their charge right or wrong) you have to bring 4 man also to fight their charges … if not … youll be buried and stoned to death …
or perhaps some male family member will kill you for tainting family’s honor??????
I think you are the one who is picking cherry. Only that you always pick the bad and leave the good. Sad.
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Fawzia says:
Hi deta,
Can you please find out for me where rape is mentioned in the Quran? While adultery is mentioned, rape unfortunately finds no mention by name in the Quran, other than permission to have sex with “right hand possessions.” 😉
Adultery has been decriminalized in much of the world, although it remains a ground for divorce, while theft is punishable with time in jail, hands aren’t cut off-rape remains an extremely serious offence, however while Allah mentioned about adultery & disobedient wife\wives in the Quran, He forgot to mention rape-how to prove rape, hou many witnesses etc!
Naturally, gullible Muslims believing that the Quran is a perfect book, seeing no mention of rape but mention of 4 witnesses needed for adultery, sought to apply that for rape as well!
Rather an omission on the part of Allah, isn’t it? 🙂
Here’s another nice verse from Allah:
Quran 4:15:If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, then get 4 witnesses to testify & if they do, then lock them up in their homes till they die or Allah appoint for them a way.”
I know of a girl in Iran a teenager, she went to the park with her boyfriend, she & the boyfriend were making out there, more than 4 family friends saw her. They complained to her family, which was devout Muslim.
This “devout Muslim” family is opposed to honor killings btw, believing that they have no Islamic justification, so guess what they did?
They locked her up, she remains locked up for the last two decades, all her twenties & thirties. 🙂
They say they will let her out when Allah shows a “sign”-of course such a thing is impossible given that Muhammad declared that he’s the last Prophet & his book Quran is perfect.
This woman, as a result of some lighthearted fun in the park more than two decades back as a teen, is doomed to life imprisonment according to Allah made rules in the Quran!
Only the worst criminals are given such extreme punishments in the civilized world, however for Islam, any woman commiting a lewd act is to be punished similarly! Such is Allah’s obsession with female propriety & chastity.
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This wiki site is definitely anti-islam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba
At the time of Muhammad (CE 570-632), his tribe the Quraysh was in charge of the Kaaba, which was at that time a shrine containing hundreds of idols representing Arabian tribal gods and other religious figures, including Jesus and Mary. Muhammad earned the enmity of his tribe by claiming the shrine for the new religion of Islam that he preached. He wanted the Kaaba to be dedicated to the worship of the one God alone, and all the idols evicted. The Quraysh persecuted and harassed him continuously[27], and he and his followers eventually migrated to Medina in 622.
After this pivotal migration, or Hijra, the Muslim community became a political and military force. In 630, Muhammad and his followers returned to Mecca as conquerors, and he destroyed the 360 idols in and around the Kaaba.[28][29] While destroying each idol, Muhammad recited [Qur’an 17:81] which says “Truth has arrived and falsehood has perished for falsehood is by its nature bound to perish.”[28][29]
Hmm…, it sure was like this
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Quraish guy: Look, my son, this is the place we store the statues of all the gods from various religions in our land. We live in harmony.
Mohammad: Err…
Mohammad: I want this place only for the only god of my religion, Islam.
Quraish guy: Dude, don’t be an asshole. This is not all about you. Play nice with your neighbors.
Mohammad: I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!!
Quraish guy: Dude you’re crazy! Get the f*ck out of here.
Mohammad: You guys hurt my feeling (hiks). But the payback time will come! Huahahahaha. Hasta la vista baby.
Quraish guy: Dude, what’s wrong with him?
Quraish guy 2: Yeah.
(years later)
Mohammad: PAYBACK TIME!!! HUAHAHAHAHA!!! Truth has arrived and falsehood has perished for falsehood is by its nature bound to perish.
(destroying statues)
Quraish guy: Dude! What are you doing?!!
Mohammad: I’ll destroy you too! You hurt my feeling back then, remember!? Paybaaackkk….
(swords)Quraish guy: Argh.
Quraish guy 2: Argh.
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Quraish guy N: Argh.
—————————–Moral of the story: don’t mess with muhammad, or else.
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After reading that wiki page, my thought went to that destruction of buddhist monument in afganishtan, and here’s what I found: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2001/536/in7.htm
Apologists… that writing seems to “condemn” the destruction, but look again here’s the argument:
Islam forbids the destruction of priceless national wealth, as long as it is not conducive to idolatry. The statues of Buddha in Bamiyan and elsewhere have no living worshippers in Afghanistan; they have existed for over 1300 years and no one has heard of any Muslim becoming a Buddhist, or idol worshipper. Now the Taliban have destroyed historic monuments with the incredible claim that otherwise they could have enticed future generations of Muslims to idol worship.
My simple mind takes that as: ok, so if there’s anybody come and worship that statue, it’s ok to destroy it.
Let’s see… that means…, uhm, islamists can destroy hindu / buddhist temple elsewhere? For example there are several hindu temples in Jakarta, and people do come to worhsip there…, and I believe there are some murtads come that place as well. License to destroy is warranted? I guess so.
What else…
Even if the relics in question are seen as Buddhist idols, Islam does not impose a duty to destroy them unless there is proof that they have been turned into an instrument of idolatry.
The same as above, you can not destroy it, unless…. there are buddhists worshipping that idol. Dude, it’s a buddhist idol and it’s normal that buddhist come to worship it. Geez.
According to a hadith-cum-legal maxim of Islamic law, “acts are to be judged by their intentions.” Another legal maxim proclaims, “human affairs are judged by their purposes.” When the Prophet destroyed the idols of the Ka’bah it was for a specific purpose, which he made known at the time. Spurious claims, such as the one brought by the Taliban government, achieve nothing for Islam nor for the long-suffering people of Afghanistan.
Ok, understood, defending mohammad. Mahoma siempre tenia toda la razon. He’s always right.
Finally, I looked at the writer…, oh…, a Malaysian. Ok, now I understand. But but but, he lives in a rather civilized place, Berlin, and hasn’t he changed an iota his view, to become more, you know, civilized, open? I guess not. Or is Berlin already turned into Berlinstan. So moving from Malaysia to Berlin is like moving from Mecca to Madina?
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Hi Diego,
Hmm…, it sure was like this
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Quraish guy: Look, my son, this is the place we store the statues of all the gods from various religions in our land. We live in harmony.
Mohammad: Err…
Mohammad: I want this place only for the only god of my religion, Islam.
Quraish guy: Dude, don’t be an asshole. This is not all about you. Play nice with your neighbors.
Mohammad: I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!! I want it all!!!
Quraish guy: Dude you’re crazy! Get the f*ck out of here.
Mohammad: You guys hurt my feeling (hiks). But the payback time will come! Huahahahaha. Hasta la vista baby.
Quraish guy: Dude, what’s wrong with him?
Quraish guy 2: Yeah.
(years later)
Mohammad: PAYBACK TIME!!! HUAHAHAHAHA!!! Truth has arrived and falsehood has perished for falsehood is by its nature bound to perish.
(destroying statues)
Quraish guy: Dude! What are you doing?!!
Mohammad: I’ll destroy you too! You hurt my feeling back then, remember!? Paybaaackkk….
(swords)Quraish guy: Argh.
Quraish guy 2: Argh.
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Quraish guy N: Argh.
—————————–Moral of the story: don’t mess with muhammad, or else.
Hahahaha! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
That was simply brilliant!
Wikipedia is defitinely not anti Islam, if anything it tries to make excuses for Islam\Muhammad\the Quran’s problems, however this event is a very big & celebrated one in Muhammad’s life, Muslims are damn proud of what Muhammad did, I haven’t seen many Muslims trying to excuse this bad behavior, they gloat over it!
I wonder how Muslims & Islamophile authors square their assertions of Muhammad never destroyed others’ religious structures or Muhammad never forced anyone to convert to his religion type shyte with this incident!
That is what that dhimmi Karen Armstrong wrote, & the way she dealt with the Jewish massacre at Banu Quraiza is also pathetic!
Muhammad & his gang stormed into Mecca, ordered all idolators to stay indoors & proceeded to destroy their religion by force-then after he was done he converted them all!
And Muslims claim that it was all done peacefully! 🙂
The poor polytheists, having their gods destroyed & with Muhammad’s previous threats, had no option but to accept! (They did try to get rid of this abominable religion once again after Muhammad died via ridda wars, that was again squashed by his followers!)
Then it was the turn of my poor country, Iran, to suffer at the hands of these barbarians-Iran a global superpower is reduced to this mess today via Islam, & all the other ancient superpowers except China & parts of the Roman Empire fell to Islam soon!
My Iranian friends who still remain Muslim speak of how Muhammad suffered in the beginning, but conveniently forget to mention how he made others suffer! 😉
Sometimes I feel Muslims far from being ashamed of this behavior, are rather proud of it! They’re delighted that Muhammad could massacre whole tribes, his sexual excesses & his forced conversions culminating in his finally cleansing the area of what is now Saudi of all the other faiths-Christianity, polytheism & Judaism-rather like the followers of gangs are proud that their gang leader could kill policemen & strike terror into the hearts of ordinary citizens!
Of course, dhimmis like Armstrong make the problem worse by their deceptions & outright lies, it makes Muslims believe that the West has bought into their lies.
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Thanks for that bit Diego.This is another dangerous shyte.
Islam forbids the destruction of priceless national wealth, as long as it is not conducive to idolatry. The statues of Buddha in Bamiyan and elsewhere have no living worshippers in Afghanistan; they have existed for over 1300 years and no one has heard of any Muslim becoming a Buddhist, or idol worshipper. Now the Taliban have destroyed historic monuments with the incredible claim that otherwise they could have enticed future generations of Muslims to idol worship.
WTF? There are millions of Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese folk religionists etc who have to live with Muslims in the sub continent, in SE Asia etc. So its allright to pull down whatever they’re worshipping?
And what if some Afghans do decide to turn Buddhist idol worshippers? Then, the idolator should be executed & finally there would be good reason to pull down ancient statues? 😉
Not only are all sorts of Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese folk religionists at grave risk from Islam, but curiously people of the Book like Trinitarian Christians aren’t spared either.
They too go to Hell, according to Muhammad in his Quran:
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. … Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers. (Q 5:72 )
Of course, for the overwhelming majority of Christians, Jesus is the Messiah! And Catholics can definitely rival pagans in idolatry. So non monotheistic, idolatrous Christians are fair game too? 😉
The only group spared seems fellow monotheists Jews, but their extremely unflattering portrayal in the Quran is sufficient incitement to violence against them too. From “moderate” Islamonline:
Finally, I looked at the writer…, oh…, a Malaysian. Ok, now I understand. But but but, he lives in a rather civilized place, Berlin, and hasn’t he changed an iota his view, to become more, you know, civilized, open? I guess not. Or is Berlin already turned into Berlinstan. So moving from Malaysia to Berlin is like moving from Mecca to Madina?
A very significant minority of Malays are idolators-Chinese Taoists, Buddhists, Indian Hindus etc. As it happens, they face economic & religious restrictions, & no wonder if such views are expressed by Malays. 😉
Actually, SE Asia being geographically so distant from Arabia, a rather syncretic Islam did exist before but that was due to ignorance, rather than Islamic tolerance.
In my Iran, even Zoroastrian monotheists were often butchered on the charges of being idolatrous as they’re fire worshippers! 🙂
Actually, the ancient Egyptian religion does have som members who still indulge in idolatry:
These people have mostly become ancient Egyptian religionists in the last century & even go to Egypt to pray, makes me scared should an Iran like Revolution happen in Egypt. 😉
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Hi Fawzia, about that islamic online: are you sure it’s “moderate”? Why are we still seeing monkey-faced wahhabi-styled imam there? Look:
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And what do you think of this site named hidayatullah.com (in indonesian)? I think it’s wahhabist, salafist, whatever their name is, i don’t care it’s full of shytes. I guess they’re at odd with organizations like NU and Muhammadiyah. Someone told me mdiyah is worried by the fact that their organization have been infiltrated by those monkey-faced wahhabists, now mdiyah wants to do some cleaning ups. No wonder those shit-breathed wahhabists is talking shit about mdiyah, now by suggesting — in the following article — that Mdiyah leader has fallen into the hands of the juice: http://www.hidayatullah.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9714:sumbangan-yahudi-mampir-pula-ke-sumbar&catid=134:cover-story&Itemid=100
Rabu malam tanggal 29 Oktober 2008, MDA menandatangani sebuah perjanjian kerjasama diwakili oleh Dr. Sudibyo Markus, seorang pengurus sebuah ormas Islam besar di Indonesia.
Pada acara perayaan penandatanganan kerjasama itu Markus memberikan komentar, “Saya berusia 76 tahun. Dan saya senang karena berhasil memenuhi impian masa kecil saya, yaitu pergi ke Israel.” Sebagaimana diberitakan oleh CN Publications (30/10/2008).
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Hi Fawzia, about that islamic online: are you sure it’s “moderate”? Why are we still seeing monkey-faced wahhabi-styled imam there? Look:
Hahaha! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Its considered moderate, & indeed its moderate by the standards of Islamic sites!
Here’s an Islamonline fatwa on the justification of executing apostates!
Another site is IslamQA, that one is far worse, it is not so moderate! 😉
This is a fatwa playing even Islamic songs & musical instruments, after almost completely prohibiting all music for men, it goes onto explain that Muslim men should arm themselves for a jihad in Allah’s cause! 😉
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&QR=5011
As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allaah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allaah.”
Here’s a popular fatwa site freely teaching men to make tanks, machine guns, bombs & planes for jihad-AND avoiding all music & musical instruments! 🙂
I used to frequent all these sites on my path to apostasy.
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Here’s a popular fatwa site freely teaching men to make tanks, machine guns, bombs & planes for jihad-AND avoiding all music & musical instruments.
And the islamophiles, with all their “sensitivities”, would say: that’s their culture, we have to respect it. Some of them would even go to figuring out “spiritual meaning” of that “culture”. “Wow”.
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The conversation among the islamic hater is touching the heart as below:
Cheer Preacher says:
Islam is bad, Islam is dark force, the problem is not the muslim but the Islam…bla…bla..bla..bla..bla…bla
Therefore Islam shall be eliminated and Islamic teaching has no place in the new world era
Audience says:
How we spread information of the truth of Islam toward other people so they will realize how dangerous Islam is?
Cheer Preacher says:
I will show you some verses in Quran and hadist how dangerous is Islamic teaching
Audience says:
We agree with you that we shall safe the world from danger of the dark force of Islam so what we are doing to destroy Islam before the Islam destroy us
Cheer Preacher says:
I will show you some verses in Quran and hadist how dangerous is Islamic teaching
Audience say:
You said that already tell us what we have to do to destroy the Islam
Cheer Preacher says again:
I will show to them some verses in Quran and Hadist how dangerous is Islamic teaching
Hahaha Capek deh…cuman bisa benci dan sakit hati tapi kami tidak bisa berbuat apa-2 kecuali hanya bisa Onani sendiri
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Hello Cuk =D
how are you ? =D
Hahaha Capek deh…cuman bisa benci dan sakit hati tapi kami tidak bisa berbuat apa-2 kecuali hanya bisa Onani sendiri
I have to call someone to help me translate your opinion above and find it very very amusing =D
firstly … we do not hate you … you are fellow human being =D
I don’t know what’s wrong with you, but most radical muslims did not even count non muslims as human being … like your comments above =Dand no … we do not get hurt by you … many are hurt by your so-called “muslims brothers” … and as normal human being, we do not care about religion, races, colors, etc … but we feel their pain … we feel empathy …
empathy is a distinctive marker, which separate human being (normal ones) from animal … you need to get yours reworked, my friend … =D
and lastly … we urge Islam to change, or else it should be abandoned …
how brutish is a human being, who refuse to see the truth when the truth is blatantly shown in front of them … =DSadly … I think it was too late for you, Cuk …
sorry … the message is not for you, but for many others, who still have a heart … before the lost it =D
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and lastly … we urge Islam to change, or else it should be abandoned …
how brutish is a human being, who refuse to see the truth when the truth is blatantly shown in front of them … =DSadly … I think it was too late for you, Cuk
Mas Donny Yth,
The truth from the book of “Untuk Dibaca Kalangan Sendiri” should be consumed for your self and your kind. If you seriuouly want to change Islam go to the real people in the real world to your muslim friend or to your neighbor and it will be much better if you dare to declare it openly in public place and I will wait and see how their response to your humanity call.
You should not sad about my condition because God give me everything in this life, He give me beatiful life, He give me a perfect health, He give me complete and good familly and He give good friend and He give me enough money hehehe at least I can pay tax more than RI President
regards,
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Hi Cuk!
If you seriuouly want to change Islam go to the real people in the real world to your muslim friend or to your neighbor and it will be much better if you dare to declare it openly in public place and I will wait and see how their response to your humanity call.
Oh come now Cuk, you know & we know how dangerous doing all that is! People like Theo Van Gogh have lost their lives while a brave Danish cartoonist has finally emerged from 3 years hiding to continue his support for free speech. Apostates like Ayaa Hirsi Ali & Salman Rushdie live in fear of their lives, as an apostate, why would I take this risk of death? 😉
Now thanks to the internet, Muslims are relatively powerless, they can’t kill all the thousands of mockers & critics online, can they? 😉
Western technological genius has again defeated Muslim attempts! 😉
Anyway, this killing apostates & mockers is an old Muslim practice, it was endorsed by Muhammad himself!
Sunan of Abu Dawud
Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.Book 38, Number 4349:
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.So now that Muhammad sanctions such behavior, how can we stop Muslims indulging in our killing? 🙂
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Nice to have you back, Cuk =D
You should not sad about my condition because God give me everything in this life, He give me beatiful life, He give me a perfect health, He give me complete and good familly and He give good friend and He give me enough money hehehe at least I can pay tax more than RI President
OK then … I’m happy for you, Cuk … to hear that you have a good health & wealth =D
too bad you did not have an open heart and open mind =D
or perhaps it’s already closed and nailed shut ? =Dand I still sad to see that even though you have quite a knowledge you still fail to see the truth … and still boasting to be servant of truth =D
may I ask which truth ? according to who ?
If you seriously want to change Islam go to the real people in the real world to your muslim friend or to your neighbor and it will be much better if you dare to declare it openly in public place and I will wait and see how their response to your humanity call.
come on, Cuk … you know perfectly that I will lose my head (literally) =D
and I did go to the real world … I talked with many of my muslim friend, using intellectual discussion method … and for mass effect, I use the one means you and many of your colleagues cannot stop … the free speech forum …honestly, I am terrified with what Koran teach muslims what to do to their fellow human being (women, children and worst of all … fellow human being who happened to choose other religion)
note that I did not hate muslims and urge muslims to convert – All I say is you and many of your colleagues have to realize the fact that many parts of the 1400 years old stupid law must be deleted and replaced with one which is more humane … don’t you agree ?
and never worry … if christians, buddhist, or other religion started to behead people and show them on TV … I will kick their asses, too =D
truly … from my heart … I enjoyed your comment, Cuk … always fresh … =D
sincerely yours
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Now thanks to the internet, Muslims are relatively powerless, they can’t kill all the thousands of mockers & critics online, can they?
Western technological genius has again defeated Muslim attempts!
Hu ha ha ha.. you are correct that the internet still do not reach Australia or you forget to preach The Islam Danger to Australian Governments so go there ASAP tell them what you know about Islam before itoo late. It seemed that it is not OIC Countries who care about survival of Islamic teaching but even Australian Government is willing to pay JIZA for continuation of Islamic Teaching in Indonesia here below:
Comment on “Anti Islam Website”.
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hello Cuk
FYI, I respect you as fellow human being … and I present my answer directly – YET you avoid answering my question and blabbering about something different and forcing me to admit something I don’t
clean up your mind, pal … even I never think of something that disgusting … yet it popped out of your mind …
what evidence do you need, my friend ? verses from Koran ? hadith ? because I am happy to support you with that … or perhaps case from Islamic world
I am saying is that muslim world relives tradition that 1400 years old and practised it in modern world … that’s why I am questioning you
do you agree with chopping hands & legs of child thieves, who steal for food ? or killing your sisters because she’d been raped ? or stoning your sister for marrying a man from other sects of Islam ?
of which you said you’ll answer but YOU DON’T …. please do not hide behind stupid reason that since other people can do it so we can do it also …
BAD IS BAD … !!
fresh evidence from the oven
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/-/1066/688044/-/1350rquz/-/index.html
and PLEASE DON’T SPEAK WITHOUT SOLID EVIDENCE … you said
where ? show me – or simply just unfounded accusation ?
as I stated before … I did not deny there are molestation and pedophiles … BUT THAT IS NOT ENCOURAGED … people doing that is currently prosecuted and jailed … but once more … some people DO escape from the law …
Koran and Hadith gives example that Prophet marrying 9 years old and it’s still done in part of muslim world … remember Syeh Puji ?
need me to quote also ? OK …
Narrated ‘Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 64
enough ?
Clear your mind that THERE ARE NO OTHER RELIGION TEACHES US TO MARRY CHILDREN. This kind of custom should be banned …
or perhaps you want to marry 9 years old also ?? because that’s DISGUSTING !!