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1. Lairedion says:

   August 7, 2009 at 3:32 pm

   I’m conversely enough of an indulgently romantic orientalist to find something appealing about supremely hospitable, yet rather intimidating men with beards – and eyeliner – a machinegun in one hand and a rose in the other…

   Eerm, what are you trying to say here, bro? I’d rather favor Arab women who are sometimes astonishingly beautiful with their round body shapes and buttocks.

2. Cukurungan says:

   August 10, 2009 at 8:52 am

   Wow, I’m impressed with the utter intelligence of this statement. I’ve never been short of arguments against frustrated feminist crap, but this one beats them all. Feminism as the reason for child sex tourism! Amazing what Islamic teaching can do to the brain.

   It is not an amazing statement, check by your self who is the main customer of the child sex tourism in Thailand, Cambodia, and Philippine?
   So tell me why now so many the whitey turn to become a child predator? It is no better explanation than the Tyranny Feminism causing so many the whitey men experienced the sex abused and torture at home by their Femininator women. Those traumatic sex experience have been transforming the bule men sex orientation to the kid, because the kid is cute and not dangerous like his Femininator at home

3. Oigal says:

   August 10, 2009 at 11:16 am

   check by your self who is the main customer of the child sex tourism in Thailand, Cambodia, and Philippine?

   Cuk, you are reknown for your silly and provocative statements which most of the time are merely amusing however the above statement is particularly sad on a couple of levels.

   The facts are that the abuse of children is vastly unreported in most Asian countries, invariably a few high profile cases make the news whilst the trade continues domestically as brutal repugant cashcow for a number of well plaed pre-bumis. In Indonesia for instance the predators (both client and owner) are primarly nationals not tourists. Anyone in who has spent any time in Indonesia knows these places exist and it must be common knowledge to the powers that be. Further these places are not on the tourist “map” and exist primarily to service the domestic market .

   Why do I say sad?..Well you are so wrapped in the nationalist, xenophobic nonsense you speak that you truely don’t know what is happening in your own country (assuming you are not a fraud) or you do know but like so many others of your xenophobic kind, the less fortunate in Indonesia are purely grist for your own agenda.

4. Achmad Sudarsono says:

   August 10, 2009 at 1:49 pm

   Pak Oigals,

   Please earlier article by the erudite Iqbal Sukokiman on Australian culture and sexy tourisms.

5. ET says:

   August 10, 2009 at 5:33 pm

   Cukurungan said

   …so many the whitey men experienced the sex abused and torture at home by their Femininator women.

   Femininator. I admit the term is rather accurate. I propose it to become a new entry for the Webster dictionary.

6. IamRoy says:

   August 12, 2009 at 2:38 am

   Hmm well here he goes again with his nonsensical hate speech. Cuk and his kind are the skid mark on the underwear of life. It’s like the Muslim world found a way to breed intelligence out of its children and now they can’t get it back. Statements like his about women and pedophiles are some of the saddest most pathetic things I have ever heard. Not to mention the fact he makes up words and cant spell the ones he doesn’t make up. His ideas and speeches are much like the perversion of Islam he follows….”MADE UP”.

7. Oigal says:

   August 12, 2009 at 8:42 am

   Awww..I can’t help myself…
   Now I am certainly not defender of Cuk, although he is amusing in a worlds greatest car crash sort sort of way, however..

   of Islam he follows….”MADE UP”.

   this would be different to the MADE UP versions of other religions how??? 🙂

   I do like the make up versions of Christianity tho..dang like basketball teams new franchises seem to pop up every day and there is bound to be one to suit you.

   Don’t get too big headed Cuk, Islam’s greatest claim the Koran has remained unchanged since the beginning is a historical crok, the langauge is not even the same as it was supposed to have been at the time of writing..

8. Cukurungan says:

   August 12, 2009 at 8:49 am

   Hmm well here he goes again with his nonsensical hate speech. Cuk and his kind are the skid mark on the underwear of life. It’s like the Muslim world found a way to breed intelligence out of its children and now they can’t get it back. Statements like his about women and pedophiles are some of the saddest most pathetic things I have ever heard. Not to mention the fact he makes up words and cant spell the ones he doesn’t make up. His ideas and speeches are much like the perversion of Islam he follows….”MADE UP”.

   Dear IamRoy,

   You should thank to Pak Patung who create this site to give the westerner rare opportunity to learn directly from the diseases community expert. Your sadness or happiness could not change anything but you must admit that the western diseases community have been taking toll and huge the victim to other poorer country. From now on the western should dare to break their own value in which based on denial and concoction with the better value one. Please stop talking that we have law and regulation to handle the pedophile problem but you can not neglect that the child predator from your country have been preying to Kids of other poorer countries. Let us handle the problem from the root cause as I said on the previous posting.

   Regards,

   Prof Dr Disease Community

9. David says:

   August 12, 2009 at 11:58 am

   Femininator. I admit the term is rather accurate. I propose it to become a new entry for the Webster dictionary.

   I rather liked Femininator as well, not quite a new word but close.

10. i made yogi iswara says:

    August 13, 2009 at 4:25 am

    There god son the biggest human in this world god never see their religion god never see where they come from god never see do you islam before but god see all of your good deeds see all of your sin see all that make Him pleased cause you make this world happy full of love and no hatred how come god not anger to an evil religion of ISLAM do you hear the story of ATLANTIS where god destroy all the beliefer cause they make this world, make kids, make themselves in danger that also what I very2 concern to you. If you want to go to hell I wont if you want to kill your family I wont if you want to kill me god wouldn’t do it cause god he gave use life to fullfill this happiness forever in this world. you said Allah (it means christian) cause they know who they whorship. but you said Allah (Islam people ‘Awloh) you do not understand the meaning even asmaqul husna lots and lots of evil understanding that can make children became the next evil of the world of course we don’t want to see that. Regard I made yogi iswara

11. timdog says:

    August 17, 2009 at 5:11 am

    Ah… I fear I may have been misconstrued by some. I didn’t mean “appealing” in the way T.E. Lawrence found clean young Arab boys appealling; it’s just that I loved my Kipling and Buchan and Robert Louis Stevenson and all that nonsense when I was a kid, and, hell, they do look kinda like pirates, that’s all…
    There are certainly some very attractive Arab ladies Lairedion, and I certainly find them more appealing (in the other sense) than the men, no matter how clean, but an amusing annecdote on the subject: One day I was riding my motorbike in Surabaya and stopped at the traffic lights. A pair of furtively scuttling, fully draped black shuttlecocks went rushing across in front of us while the traffic was stopped. Now it should be noted that such a sight is, generally, less common in Indonesia than it is in certain parts of the UK, and several of the waiting motorists, myself included, were openly staring at them as they scuttled. The two youths on the bike next to me collapsed into a fit of giggling hysterics at the sight. I grinned at them and one leaned across and said, “Must be Arabs, mister; they wear that because they’re ugly – mirip unta!” At this point the lights changed and both I and they were laughing so hard that we almost crashed into each other as we rode away. The shuttlecocks had scuttled away out of sight…

    Oigal, welcome to use the scuttling shuttlecock thingy. Didn’t you steal “sexual refugee” from me too? Ah you’re welcome; they’re all free…

    ET, though generally much more of a punk than a fan of big-haired cock rock, I do confess to, on occassions, indulging in a little G’n’R’ – hell, who doesn’t? But Sympathy… is a Rolling Stones track, and the original is sh*t loads better than Axl’s shrieking version…
    Gosh, you don’t get much more digressive than that do you? Apologies all…

12. muhammad rafiq says:

    August 20, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    “ Oh! The mankind, one is your desire and the one is that of mine. It will be happened just that which I desire. If you submit to my desire I will give you according to your desire and if you oppose me I will make you weary in your desire and at last it will be happened just as per my desire. “

13. kacrutt says:

    October 3, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    i really if mohammedanism not useful… because just Christian is first religion in world

    mohammedanism just can tempt religion other for follow he religion
    above all with propher mohammedan..
    mohammedan those actually just lie..
    mohammedan also not propher.. he just human run of the mill..

14. shemp says:

    November 11, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Mohammed Khafi,

    You challenged David to show you in the Al Quran where it says that it is ok to lie. Well try this on for size. Qur’an 3:28 “let not the take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them”. In other words don’t make friends with unbelievers except to guard yourselves form them. Pretend to be their friend so can strenghten yourself against them. Made simple, LIE.

    Also what of the doctrine of taqiyya? It says that muslims could lie about what they believed, denying aspects of their faith. This practice is sanctioned by the Qur’an which warns that Muslims that forsake Islam will be consighned to Hell-except those forced to do so, but who remain true Muslims inwardly. Made simple, it is ok to LIE.

    Finally the doctrine of Kitman, or mental reservation. This doctrine calls for telling the truth but not the whole truth with an intention to mislead. Once again,to LIE is permitted.

    Please don’t make such challenges when they are so easy to accept.

15. donny says:

    November 11, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    just like adding some of my previous comment, which I believe more appropriate here, of course also apply for my beloved pal, Cuk =D

    Ghilman (Young Boys): In sura: (52:24) Allah promises to supply young diamond-sparkling beautiful boys for some inhabitants of Islamic heavens. Some deceitful western living mullahs will argue that these boys are there to serve drinks to the pious inhabitants of the heavens and not for having sex by those Beduin homosexual Jihadi Martyrs. They also will argue that Koran did not specify that these Ghilman (young boys) will be used as sex partners by Martyrs, i.e., it was not said so in the Quran. Well, Koran also did not specify what those Martyrs/pious Muslims suppose to do with the wide-eyed, firmed, swollen breast, white skinned beautiful houris! Your parent gets you married a beautiful young lady, and parents never say what you suppose to do with your wife, do they? Decietful Mullah’s logic/excuse that these Ghilman could be there as the waiters just to serve drinks and food does not sound right. I don’t think it is the purpose of supplying young boys just to be the waiters. Waiters could be adult person instead of pearl-sparkling everlasting young boys! Is not it folks?

    any comment ?

16. Mohammed Khafi says:

    November 12, 2009 at 4:57 am

    shemp,

    Your lack of comprehension of English appears to be comparable to your lack of understanding of Islam.

    Lets look at the verse you quoted:
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    YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
    PICKTHAL: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
    SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

    The first part of the verse clearly tells believers, and that means any and all believers in God, be they Jew, Sabian, Muslim, Christian etc… All Believers. that they should not pick non believers to be their friends and confidants in preference to believers, pleaswe note that it doesn say that beleivers shouldn’t have non believers as friends, simply that they should not be choosen as friends in preference to believers.

    The second part of the verse simply states that the believers should guard themselves from the non believers lack of faith.

    No injunctions to tell lies at all in that verse,

    As to Taqiyah, this is a Shia concept and is not universal in Islam. Myself I prefer to not identify myself with either Shia or Sunni orthodoxies and prefer to see myself as simply a believer in God. A follower of the deen of Islam.

    Taqiyah for the Shia simply refers to a dispensation allowing believers to conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. It is not an excuse to lie, or deliberately deceive. It is simply a means of protecting oneself, ones family, or ones faith.

    Kitman is basically the same as Taqiyah, simply more universal in the Islamic orthodoxy.

    I don’t know if you are trying to twist the meanings with deliberate attempts to promoted misunderstanding and hatred, or wether you simply do not understand Islam.

    The simple fact is that lying in Islam is a sin, I challenged David to show me verse’s in Al Quran which support lying and he has been unable to do so, your attempt is easily dismissed.

    The challenge still stands. Show me clear unequivocable verses in Al Quran which permit lying, the verse you quoted above clearly does not.

    Peace

17. donny says:

    November 12, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Hello Khafi =D

    let me ask you … if you make a treaty with someone with intention to break it later – does it qualify as lying ?

    I meant – of course you will not say to other parties that you will break it later, otherwise, nobody will make a treaty with you …

    and lastly … how if you know that someone who is going to make a treaty with you is going to cheat and break it later … do you count that as lying ??

    if so … check below :

    “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Surah 9:5)

    In our context, the Qur’an tells Muslims that pagan or unbelieving groups with whom they do not currently have a treaty are open to the prosecution of offensive war. The particular treaty that lies at the heart of this passage was merely temporary, lasting four months, and was interpreted, as we will see, by later Islamic scholars as nullifying any other treaties between Muslims and infidels – which would essentially mean that NO treaties are now to be considered binding. Indeed, as can be seen through the Islamic notion of hudna, radical Muslims do not feel themselves bound to respect any pact which they might sign with non-Muslims, and will break such agreements as soon as they feel it is to their advantage to do so.

    and please do not sugarcoat it with “but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them”
    as this means you still thinks that other religion is second class and deserves punishment and subdued ….

    reading this one, I have one thing popping out of my mind … if you explain to other religion that Islam is peaceful, tolerant, while you KNOW that if Islam rule they will be subjected to pay Jizya, subdued, etc
    and YOU did not tell them on purpose … does this count as LYING ??

    check below :

    “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (Surah 9:29)

    and here we have Abu Bakar Baasyir stated that

    “Ba’asyir said minorities had nothing to fear from sharia as its stipulations did not apply to them. So long as they did not disturb the practise of Islam they would receive protection, he said.”

    he “forgot” to say that protection comes with a price … is this LYING or NOT ??

    The jizyah is meant to show the dhimmis that they are inferior, that their stubborn insistence on retaining their old ways places them in a position of submission and slavery to the Islamic system. Anwer Ali explains this to us in his comments on 9:29,
    “The Jizyah is compensation for protection and security of the non-believers of the Islamic State. It is a symbol for subordination to the Islamic State. The word Ann Yadin, i.e. pay by their hands [translated as “with willing submission” in Yusuf Ali’s translation above], means that they should pay it of their own as a subordinate and the words Wahum Sagheroon mean that they should not have superiority over the land; the superiority should be for believers who are vice-regents of Allah on earth.
    “Further, the idea underlying Jizyah is that each year they must think that to pay for remaining on the wrong, instead of getting on the Straight Path and paying the poor rate, is actually a most unfortunate complex in which they are involved.”
    Hence, jizyah “proves” to the infidel the inferiority of his own belief system, and at the same time “encourages” him to convert to Islam. Maududi reiterates this in his comment on this ayah when he notes that the jizyah serves to remind Jews and Christians of their submission and the “price of following the ways of error.”

    source ?
    S.A. Ali, Qur’an: The Fundamental Law of Human Life, Vol. 6, p. 539
    S.A.A. Maududi, Meaning of the Qur’an, Vol. 4, p. 186

18. donny says:

    November 18, 2009 at 9:59 am

    related with Jizya …

    and don’t think it will be asked politely …

    In 1894, Sultan Abdul Hamid II instituted a pogrom against Orthodox Armenians who refused to abide by a massive increase in taxes (Jizya) that the Turkish government levied upon them. Between 1894-1896, between 100-150,000 Armenians were killed by either the sword or starvation in a general massacre ordered by the Sultan in what is known as the Sassoun Massacre, and many more were driven into exile, or escaped only by converting to Islam 57. An attack upon the Ottoman Bank by Armenian resistors to the Sultan’s genocidal attacks (an attack which was designed to bring Western attention to the Armenians’ plight) was defused, and this was used as an excuse to murder another 8,000 Armenians in Istanbul in a general slaughter. Yet again, between 1915-1918, the Turks carried out genocide against the Armenians. Families were torn apart, the men being taken out and shot, and the women and children forced to march until they died of exhaustion or starvation 58. In this time, a quarter of a million Armenians were able to escape to Russia, while another 200,000 saved themselves by converting to Islam. However, the best estimates say that more than one and a half million Armenians were killed by this Muslim atrocity. Turkish Armenia ceased to exist.

    need more ?

19. diego says:

    November 18, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Taqiyyyyaaaaa

20. Cukurungan says:

    November 18, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    need more ?

    more please…..

    ck ck ck…but why Pak George Bush and Pak Tony Blair said that Islam is religion of peace….ehm ehm …Were both gentlemen playing “TAQIYA” also?….hehehe …shame on me why I can not play “TAQIYA” as good as them

21. donny says:

    November 18, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Well hello Cuk

    long time no see =D

    need more ?? you got it …

    Armenians were killed by this Muslim atrocity. Turkish Armenia ceased to exist.
    The Greeks have also suffered holocaust at the hands of Muslims. In an effort to complete the Islamization of Turkish dominions, efforts to destroy or drive out the mostly Orthodox Greek populations were begun in 1913. That year, 16,000 Greeks were murdered in Eastern Thrace (on the European side of the Dardanelles). In 1914, Greeks were ordered to vacate the city of Pergamum, and were massacred in Erythrea and Phocaia. That same year, 400,000 Greeks died from malnourishment and mistreatment in forced-labor battalions, and 120,000 Greeks were driven from their homes in Eastern Thrace, fleeing as refugees to the Kingdom of Greece. In 1917, 23,000 Greeks were deported from Cydoniae, and in 1918, another 8,000 Greek families were expelled from southwestern Asia Minor. In 1922, 300,000 more Greeks were forced out of Eastern Thrace, and at Smyrna, 150,000 Greeks and Armenians were massacred by Turkish forces 59. It is important to keep in mind that all of these areas mentioned: Eastern Thrace, the Ionian isles, and southwestern Asia Minor, were all traditionally Greek cultural areas, dating back to the Mycenaean period over 1000 years before Christ. The Islamization of these areas by the removal of the Greeks can be clearly seen as an act of jihad, the conquest of territory for Islam. This policy of genocide continued all the way up to the fall of the Ottoman Turkish sultanate (which, during the War, issued an active call for jihad against the Allies) at the end of 1922. Further, even the secular Young Turk regime which replaced the Sultanate eventually succumbed to pressures to reinstitute the Islamic religion at an official level in Turkey. After World War II, the secular regime “resumed the teaching of Islamic religion in the public schools, opened state schools for the training of religious functionaries and taken such measures for the promotion of religion as putting religious programs on the state radio” 60. Turkish aggression against the Greeks was displayed once again in 1974, when Turkey invaded Cyprus and waged war on the Greeks, who were ostensibly Turkey’s NATO ally

    The fields of battle where radical Islam is instigating trouble range all across the globe. In Mindanao, the large southern island of the Philippine chain, Muslims are murdering Roman Catholics and Christians in an effort to establish an Islamic state on the island. Spearheaded by the terrorist organization Abu Sayyaf, Filipino Muslims have waged a terrorist war of shootings and bombings against both civilian and military targets. For example, one such attack was made against a shopping mall in Manila on 9 October, 2007 in which eight people were killed. Abu Sayyaf has also engaged in assassinations against Filipino leaders who oppose their movement. On 13 November, 2007, a bomb killed Wahab Akbar, a member of the Filipino Congress and former Muslim radical who turned from violence and began to lead the charge against Abu Sayyaf’s violence. In all, over 400 civilians have been killed by Muslim terrorist violence in the Philippines since 2000

    Another place where Muslim terrorists have been using violence to kill infidels and establish a separatist state is in Thailand. Since the beginning of the concerted effort by Muslims in the southern provinces to break away, thousands have been killed in the violence. The violence, however, is disturbing because it does not just consist of attacks on the Thai military, or even simple indiscriminate bombings (though those happen as well62). In Thailand, Muslim terrorists have made a point of kidnapping and murdering civilians who are of the wrong religion – primarily Buddhists. For instance, on 24 July, 2007, two elderly Thais riding on a motorcycle were stopped by armed gunmen, doused with benzene, and lit on fire. The murder of civilians by Muslim “separatists” in Thailand is commonplace, and the previous example is only one of hundreds that could be given. Many Muslims who work with or for the Thai government suffer as well, including one Muslim man who was crucified by the terrorists, while his two Buddhist companions were “merely” beheaded.

    Indonesia, long viewed as a “moderate” and “tolerant” Muslim country, has seen Islamic extremist become more prevalent as well. Indonesia was the country where the infamous Bali bombings occurred, an attack directed against the country’s premier tourist center on 12 October, 2002. In the attack, 202 people were killed, including 164 Australian and other foreign vacationers. Bali was also the site of a second, less deadly attack on 12 October, 2005. The attacks were part of an ongoing campaign of violence by Jemaah Islamiyah, an Islamic terror group in Indonesia. In addition to these high profile bombings, Indonesia has also seen a string of violent attacks against the Christian minority in the country – attacks that have included the rape, murder, and beheadings of Christian schoolgirls. In East Timor, a country which obtained its independence from Portugal in 1975 only to be invaded and occupied by Muslim Indonesia later that same year, Muslim militias murdered and displaced hundreds of thousands of Roman Catholics before the UN intervened with Australian troops.

    Pakistani mujahedeen and terror bombers seek to force the Indians out of Kashmir and unite that province with Pakistan, and have killed tens of thousands in a campaign of violence that has lasted for decades. Violence by Muslims is also endemic within India proper, and many Indians have been killed by bombings. In 1947, after the splitting of the Indian subcontinent between Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India, Muslims instituted a reign of terror against Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist minorities in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). People were killed, property was confiscated, refugees left penniless, and Hindu women were taken and given to Muslim men for the purposes of polygamy. The wickedness of the Muslim actions led one Indian observer, S.K. Bhattacharyya, to invent an acronym for Islam – “Intolerance, Slaughter, Loot, Arson and Molestation”. In 1950, half a million more Hindus were butchered, and in 1971, during Bangladesh’s war for independence from Pakistan, Pakistani soldiers murdered between 1.25 and 3 million Hindus and other religious minorities

    need more ? I have tons of cases starting from the very beginning of Islam until now … including honor killings, mutilations, and so on

    regarding your claim that president bush and tony blair stated that islam is a peaceful religion … that’s because :

    1. they did not familiar with islamic teaching … like

    “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Surah 9:5)

    tell me, Cuk … do civilian-targeted bombings still within your limits ? what do you think if one of the victim is your brother / sister / parents ??

    And do please check your knowledge about Prophet Mohammed, … he himself stated that war is a game of deception = LIES

    “Prophet Muhammad said, “Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people.”

    (Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, Vol. 6, no. 459; see also Sahih Muslim, Bk. 32, No. 6303)

    2. they know better than raise sensitive issue to the islamic world – this means that they show respect towards other religions … while I have never heard Islamic leaders praise other religion

    tell me, Cuk … do you agree with chopping hands & legs of child thieves, who steal for food ? or killing your sisters because she’d been raped ? open your eyes !!

22. Cukurungan says:

    November 18, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Mas Donny Yth,

    I am trying hard to believe you but unfortunately what I hear and see in actual daily life is completely different, I never hear that Non-Muslim Leaders and tokoh agama non-muslim in this country said that Islam is bad openly in public or media … so help me to believe what you said…or it could be that non-muslim leader are playing “TAQIYA” because they are afraid that we will energize the switch (Surah 9:5).

    regards,
    servant of the truth

23. donny says:

    November 18, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Pak Cuk yth =D

    you don’t have to believe … =D
    fact did not need you to believe it to make it a bald truth =D

    try googling about Sassoun Massacre … you’ll get the fact, try to use several keywords from what I quote to see that it is true

    a fire is hot … that’s a fact … regardless you believe it or not …

    I never recognise other holy books from other holy religion, which endorse or even encourage lying … but the Koran

    see other source I found

    Imam Ghazali’s says:
    ” When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible ” (Ref: Ahmad Ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller , Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745).

    so whatever done by other persons, other leaders … (taqqiya or whatever you called it) … it is not done for the sake of religion. Perhaps for politics, perhaps for gain … but Koran specifically stated that … so taqqiya in Koran is done for the sake of religion …

    this is the difference … hope you can digest it …

    I never hear that Non-Muslim Leaders and tokoh agama non-muslim in this country said that Islam is bad openly in public or media

    very funny, my dear friend … you know by yourself that all muslims are bound to slay infidels … while in Indonesia other religion are minorities … and with your record of destroying churches … FPI and so on …

    only stupid person will reveal openly that SEVERAL ASPECT OF Islam are bad … for it will cost them their lives …

    people need to be educated, so they won’t simply swallow other’s saying, like ABB comment’s above, that infidels will receive protection, but he “forgot” to say that protection comes with a price … and don’t forget the chance of being slaughtered EVEN after you surrender

    please, answer me :

    do you agree with chopping hands & legs of child thieves, who steal for food ? or killing your sisters because she’d been raped ? or stoning your sister for marrying a man from other sects of Islam ?

    because THIS DO HAPPEN !!

    do civilian-targeted bombings still within your limits ? what do you think if one of the victim is your brother / sister / parents ??

    if they bombed some military targets in palestine … go ahead … but this is CIVILIAN TARGET in Indonesia they’re after …

    NOTE : I did not believe that all muslims are bad … many I known are warm-hearted and loving person. Perhaps Islam needs to be readjusted for modern living ? Koran need to be reinterpreted so that all people may walk side-by-side with smile and sincerity ?

24. diego says:

    November 18, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I think they should introduce the word TAQIYA into american / british dictionary (with an explanation of its origin), and start using it in daily life, like: you’re such a taqiyer (you’re such a liar), that guy is taqiyaful (that guy is deceitful), this book is full of taqiyagibberish (this book is full of bullshit and lies), something like that. That will raise the people awareness about this taqiya teaching.

25. diego says:

    November 18, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Oh shit, I thought I was the first one to come up with the word “taqiyer”. Nope, they beat me to it: http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=1178652 (Andrea Hirata is a taqiyer?)

26. Odinius says:

    November 19, 2009 at 12:25 am

    donny, you’ve got your history backwards on greeks and turks. greeks were not, like the armenians, specially targeted on ethnic criteria during the first world war. greece did invade turkey at the end of the war, but not in any way on islam, but territorial aggrandizement in the aftermath of the ottoman empire’s collapse, justified on the grounds of “protecting” minority greeks. in fact, this action resulted in the two countries swapping populations, thus mostly ending the centuries old turkish community in greece and the millennia old greek community in present-day turkey.

27. Cukurungan says:

    November 19, 2009 at 8:27 am

    please, answer me :

    do you agree with chopping hands & legs of child thieves, who steal for food ? or killing your sisters because she’d been raped ? or stoning your sister for marrying a man from other sects of Islam ?

    I will answer your question but I would like to know your opinion a little situation as below:
    Your MIL is a widow because his husband last year passed away, even she is on her 55 years but she is still hot and the age does not degrade her sexiness. If some day she could not sleep well because her hot desire need to be ceased by an adult man and the available man at time is you then she politely asks you to satisfy her sex desire and fortunately you are a lucky man because your wife also pleased you to serve her mother….let me know …will you glad to serve her desire?

    NOTE : I did not believe that all muslims are bad … many I known are warm-hearted and loving person. Perhaps Islam needs to be readjusted for modern living ? Koran need to be reinterpreted so that all people may walk side-by-side with smile and sincerity?

    Sorry, there is a little contradiction in your statement, because you said that many of your friends are good people even they are Muslim with existing Koran but in other side you said that Koran need to be re-adjusted …why?

28. donny says:

    November 19, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Morning, Cuk =D
    wish you on perfect condition today

    Your MIL is a widow because his husband last year passed away, even she is on her 55 years but she is still hot and the age does not degrade her sexiness. If some day she could not sleep well because her hot desire need to be ceased by an adult man and the available man at time is you then she politely asks you to satisfy her sex desire and fortunately you are a lucky man because your wife also pleased you to serve her mother….let me know …will you glad to serve her desire?

    you mixed morality question with religion question here, my friend
    and I catch your message in your question above … do you think all westerners is pervert ? love free sex ? some do … and that’s a breach in morality – and I personally disagree with that … your question is disgusting to event think of …

    this is where you got it wrong … many westerners are pervert, raping children, but THEY are captured and jailed … the society never thinks that what they do is right
    yet in Islam … IT IS COMPULSORY for you to chop hands, slay infidels (as you have to follow prophet’s action right to the smallest details) … BEAR IN MIND THAT it is NEVER COMPULSORY for us westerners to be pervert … anyone doing it is facing legal prosecution …

    many things changed … and please do get the point …
    wicked person exists everywhere in “western world” … BUT MOST OF THEM THEY DID IT BY THEMSELVES or their group … for gain, for political power, for anything … but never for religion
    Stupid-Former President Bush never say he invaded Iraq because his religion commanded him to do it
    BUT KORAN TEACHES ALL MUSLIMS TO SLAY INFIDELS … IT IS NOT ONLY ENCOURAGED, BUT ALSO ENFORCED … to earn the title of true muslim
    do you need me to upload pictures of a man waving chopped hands with smile as he uphold the tradition dated 1400 years ago ? it is not just ENCOURAGED … but also ENFORCED …

    regarding my last comment … many of my muslim friends are good people … this is because they did not fully follow the rules laid by Koran & prophet … such as slaying me, of course … perhaps if they do, they won’t be so lenient with me anyway …

    but of course, true muslim will not consider this kind of person (who is kind to infidels) as real muslim … dunno the catchphrase … I think it is “Islam Abangan or Islam ID Card” or something like that

    what I said was …
    prophet Muhammad do some controversial thing in the past … whereas the rules and the cultures of the past is very much different compared to modern times …
    at his time, marrying a 9 old girl is a part of their custom (though I still think it is inappropriate) … but now ?? such person will be condemned as pedophile and I don’t know whether you’re agree with me … but he should be locked up for a looong time … as he endangers societies …

    I don’t know with you, but I don’t like my little boy / girl playing in the park while some pedophiles are wandering around

    values changed, my friend … and if you want to uphold law & tradition from 1400 years ago … you’ll hurt MANY of your friend, brothers – who is the same with you, created by the same Creator … =D

    this is why Islam needs to be readjusted …

    wants some example ? ever read talmud ? death sentence by stoning is written there … yet I have never heard Israeli ENCOURAGE / ENFORCE stoning … yet it is still done in muslim countries … banning arts, destroying valuable cultural objects (such as Giant Buddha statue in Bam)

    that’s why I’m back with my question … simply answer with YES OR NO

    do you agree with chopping hands & legs of child thieves, who steal for food ? or killing your sisters because she’d been raped ? or stoning your sister for marrying a man from other sects of Islam ?

    because THIS DO HAPPEN !!

    do civilian-targeted bombings still within your limits ? what do you think if one of the victim is your brother / sister / parents ??

    another small question from me, Cuk

    supposedly I invite you to my home … will you come and drink tea with infidels like me ? please … put your sword outside before you enter … you’re my guest =D

29. donny says:

    November 19, 2009 at 9:29 am

    @ Odinius ..

    thanks for the correction, my friend …
    like all man … I am also fallible =D

    but I think you’re agree with me that not all facts I mention are wrong, right =D

30. Cukurungan says:

    November 19, 2009 at 11:14 am

    and I personally disagree with that … your question is disgusting to event think of …

    ha ha ha why disgusting?

    We are talking about the evolving standard of morality ? do not be shy ..let put aside the dogma in the religion and let us use our common sense properly …if no one get hurt while every one is happy so what is wrong …

    Another funny thing why you are so happy to talk about something happen 1400 years ago while without any solid evidence….show to me what is your evidence

    While as we speak there are more than thousand kid get molested in the certain religion community