A particularly striking part of “Report from East Java”, which was written by a military intelligence officer in November 1965, where he details the progress of the “crushing actions” against the Communist Party:
In Kediri some of the killings were “joint action”s [E] with the military (sometimes in civiele [D: civilian dress], sometimes officially as military). Killings of this kind may have a boomerang effect, in that they can also be utilized by the PKI itself. The effect upon economic life will also be felt. Small traders are now afraid to sell their wares. Peasant farmers are afraid to go to the rice fields. And many do not want to work on the Plantations, for example on the
tea and sugar plantations, because corpses are spread everywhere.By way of clarification, several events are explained below: In the Paree (Kediri) area there is a village in which the lurah [village headman] and Ansor together took the initiative to protect the [PKI] peasant farmers—who were only taggers-on—by giving them badges as members of Ansor or NU. They were gathered together, and coincidentally, there happened to be an operation by the military and Ansor going on. Seeing many people gathered together, the soldiers and Ansor asked the lurah who all these people were. The lurah, nervous and panicked, responded that they were PKI.
Before he had finished speaking, every one of the approximately 300 people was killed, and their families were not permitted to remove their bodies so that they were buried where they lay. This shocked the people, and within Ansor itself mutual mistrust arose.
Another event occurred in Wates, where approximately 10,000 members of the PKI and its Mass Organizations gathered together. They were going to make a “long-march” [E] to Madiun, destroying factories along the way.
This was discovered by the military, which initiated a “joint-action” [E] together with Ansor. When they were sommeer [sic] [D: called upon] to surrender they refused, and so they were crushed. The victims totaled 1,200.
In an incident in Ponggok, a soldier who was disseminating information was killed by the Pemuda Rakyat [People’s Youth]. In represaille [D: reprisal] the military attacked, killing about 300 people.
The wave of killings is still continuing, and many of those who are being killed are followers who did not know much. Many excesses have emerged, and it could happen that the PKI will join in so that they can attract “public opinion” [E] to their side.
The bolded bit I know off by heart now as it keeps coming into my head for some reason. The sting is in its tail, the last detail that they didn’t allow the families to recover the bodies, in the cultural-religious context it strikes as the most astonishing vicious spite; the dead people don’t know whether they get a proper burial or not, but it’s a kind of twisting of the knife in the people who are left.
No doubt many have seen it already, for those who haven’t the whole “Report”, which is fascinating, can be read here.
We possibly agree. Personally I would just like to think that Indonesia can aspire to something more than simply the pick of a bad bunch.
By the way, how do I quote things others have written on the site, so it appears in grey with a line down the side?
Thanks
Give you a break?
Implicit in your statement is that the deaths of a few are just as bad as the deaths of many. If thats what you meant to say, I disagree and would like to hear how you support that sort of thinking. For example, would you have been against the killing of few key people to prevent the deaths of so many Indonesian in the 60’s?
Truth is I doubt we fundamentally disagree with each other and I am probably just nit picking.
So maybe you can instruct me on how to quote things others have written on the site, so it appears in grey with a line down the side?
Sad to see millions of starving ‘Micks’ doesn’t ameliorate your principals there Berlian. So how far will this philosophy extend, if Junior or Little Angel is singing along to Band Aid – “Feed the World, Fffeeedd the World!!!” Will you interrupt with the Ayn Randian paaen “Let them starve” and tell your precious to get with the program ‘Profit before People’.
Lamentable and Dangerous!
Oigal, just pointing out, with the benefit of year in Cambodia during the mid 90s, that the Kmhmer Rouge Nihilists can equally be claimed to represent Ollie North style ‘freedom lovin’ capitalists.
Ah sure yer just losing the run of yersel’ now prince, try to stick to specific debating points rather than meander all over the shop.
One of the most distressing things for me, is the way the victims of communist regimes have largely been the their own people. Mao’s 10 of millions of victims were the very people he claimed to be reforming for. Pol Pot’s agrarian paradise was far from it for many. As one little lady recounted to me “soldier come, kill, kill family” (Her Bourgeois father was a doctor and mother owned a business. So they shot them and most of her siblings.)
Many of the military regimes we see around the world are essentially built on the same model of state oppression and control as communist regimes are. Its really the behavior I condemn here, rather than the ideology. This is why I see allot of common ground between the various posters on this topic. I think its agreed that this sort of murderous carry-on is not a good thing, regardless of motivation.
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You read wrong prince, there was certainly plenty of food being produced in other parts of Ireland. This grain and other foodstuffs were grown by Irish farmers who not unnaturally expected to be paid for their labour and who might have objected if instead of being allowed to sell their harvests for a price appropriate to their hard work the government had confiscated it and gave it to starving people in the west. This is an indication of human nature and not of the evils of capitalism.
For instance I dare say that there might be a bit of spare room at your home and yet there are homeless people sleeping in the streets right now. Should the government force you to give up your spare room for one of these homeless people? If so why have you not already done so?
It really takes the biscuit to hear of capitalism being blamed for famine when in fact the greatest, most catastrophic famines of the twentieth century (the Bengal famine excepted, there was the small matter of the Second World War going on at that time) were caused by communism and the rejection of capitalism.
From the Ukraine to China to Ethiopia, Marxists have shown themselves to be first rate at starving their peoples. Interestingly however the biggest health concerns in capitalist system countries for poor people is obesity. Amazing, Marxism starves its people but capitalists overfeed them, yet capitalists get the blame for famine.
Java actually does have an overpopulation problem, right now it is not causing too much concern because of the astonishing fertility of the place, contrasted with mid-19th century Connemara (even in post-Independence Ireland the population has never returned to the levels of a century and a half ago despite the population boom in other more fertile areas of Ireland). However even in 21st century Indonesia the government is worried about food sourcing and regularly monitors rice production and imports for fear of shortages.