A particularly striking part of “Report from East Java”, which was written by a military intelligence officer in November 1965, where he details the progress of the “crushing actions” against the Communist Party:
In Kediri some of the killings were “joint action”s [E] with the military (sometimes in civiele [D: civilian dress], sometimes officially as military). Killings of this kind may have a boomerang effect, in that they can also be utilized by the PKI itself. The effect upon economic life will also be felt. Small traders are now afraid to sell their wares. Peasant farmers are afraid to go to the rice fields. And many do not want to work on the Plantations, for example on the
tea and sugar plantations, because corpses are spread everywhere.By way of clarification, several events are explained below: In the Paree (Kediri) area there is a village in which the lurah [village headman] and Ansor together took the initiative to protect the [PKI] peasant farmers—who were only taggers-on—by giving them badges as members of Ansor or NU. They were gathered together, and coincidentally, there happened to be an operation by the military and Ansor going on. Seeing many people gathered together, the soldiers and Ansor asked the lurah who all these people were. The lurah, nervous and panicked, responded that they were PKI.
Before he had finished speaking, every one of the approximately 300 people was killed, and their families were not permitted to remove their bodies so that they were buried where they lay. This shocked the people, and within Ansor itself mutual mistrust arose.
Another event occurred in Wates, where approximately 10,000 members of the PKI and its Mass Organizations gathered together. They were going to make a “long-march” [E] to Madiun, destroying factories along the way.
This was discovered by the military, which initiated a “joint-action” [E] together with Ansor. When they were sommeer [sic] [D: called upon] to surrender they refused, and so they were crushed. The victims totaled 1,200.
In an incident in Ponggok, a soldier who was disseminating information was killed by the Pemuda Rakyat [People’s Youth]. In represaille [D: reprisal] the military attacked, killing about 300 people.
The wave of killings is still continuing, and many of those who are being killed are followers who did not know much. Many excesses have emerged, and it could happen that the PKI will join in so that they can attract “public opinion” [E] to their side.
The bolded bit I know off by heart now as it keeps coming into my head for some reason. The sting is in its tail, the last detail that they didn’t allow the families to recover the bodies, in the cultural-religious context it strikes as the most astonishing vicious spite; the dead people don’t know whether they get a proper burial or not, but it’s a kind of twisting of the knife in the people who are left.
No doubt many have seen it already, for those who haven’t the whole “Report”, which is fascinating, can be read here.
You should all stop and contemplate what Indonesia would look like today had the communists prevailed. I doubt there would be any bleeding heart ex pats living there and crying crocodile tears over a few dead commies. Even if forums such as this were allowed (which they would not be). How about some of you piss off to North Korea and start a forum over there?
It’s hard to quantify suffering, but I suggest that Indonesia got off lightly from the cancer of communism. Other countries in Asia were not so lucky. The horrors that were visited on them are well documented. This in no way minimizes the deaths and injustices inflicted by those opposing communists. I suspect many who died were not ideologically communist; they were probably just hungry or desperate. They did not deserve that.
In recent years the ideology of socialism has eclipsed even religion in the suffering and damage is has wrought on the human race and that my friends is quite a feat!
Sure it’s a shame we can’t all be friends and hold hands. But at some point you need to draw a line in the sand and stand for something.
Arie, you clearly do your homework and know your stuff, but people acting out of self interest is unsurprising. Just look at how the top brass of communist regimes lived, while the people suffered.
“there seems to have been some kind of slippage in BB’s position over the course of the thread”
There isn’t the slightest “slippage”, I maintain that the scale of the killings in East and Central Java and Bali at the end of 1965 and the beginning of 1966, though “appalling” (a word I used in my first post on the subject, so much for “crowing”) were in no way in the same scale as is alleged by hyperbolic westerners and pro-leftist commentators. I stand over the fact that unlike Rwanda, Cambodia or Hitler’s Germany very little hard evidence exists to prove the Holocaust scale death toll alleged by opponents of Suharto’s regime (I am no admirer of Suharto).
Even in Ukraine where millions perished under Stalinist persecution over seven decades ago and where to breathe a word of such events could have seen your whole family shipped to a Siberian gulag if they were lucky, there still exists a wealth of personal, official and anecdotal evidence of what happened. Killings on the scale alleged in such a confined area over such a short period would have left an indelible mark on Balinese and Javanese society for generations, no such mark exists beyond a very small number of activists and foreign commentators.
Indeed foreigners seem to be the only people concerned about the issue as 98% of Indonesians are blissfully uninterested in the matter.
But to address the spurious point that Indonesian communists were merely poor ignorant farmers who had no idea what they were involved in. It is a fact that the PKI were the biggest, best mobilised political force in Indonesia in 1965, they had the ear of the president, were in close collaboration with Mao Tse Tung and Kim Il Sung (such charming and exalted company these “peasants” kept).
The communists had heavily infiltrated the media, civil service, arts community (leading “peasant” Pramoedya Ananta Toer was calling for artistic censorship on behalf of the communists). They were in the higher ranks of the armed services having almost taken control of the most advanced branch; the air force (technically astute “peasants”). The academic community from universities right down to the primary schools were brainwashing Indonesian youths in communist propaganda, so can we drop this nonsense that the PKI amounted to little more than illiterate peasants?
The Khmer Rouge make an interesting example (I know they came after the PKI but do you think they were an overnight creation?) if one wishes to adopt the “ignorant peasant” defence. If one had killed all the Khmer Rouge in 1973 who would you have killed? Ignorant, illiterate, dark skinned peasants who had no idea what they were doing but understood from their cadre leaders that the enemy was intellectuals, fair skinned Cambodians, city dwellers and ethnic minorities, especially the Chinese. When the time came these ignorant peasants swung their clubs and machetes like the best of them.
Indonesia would have been no different.
Don’t like the emphasis on the communists? What about the Nazis, if you could turn the clock back to 1930 to stop the march of the Nazis who would you fight? The Nazis hadn’t really killed many people yet, they weren’t even in power but amelioration, appeasement, rational debate couldn’t stop them so what to do? Many people looking back would say it was a pity a strong figure in the German military didn’t wipe out the Nazis then and there, give them “ a taste of their own medicine” (to coin a brutal but accurate phrase). But who would you kill? Why ignorant rural types, small farmers, unemployed workers, lower middle class town dwellers, every oddball and headcase with a chip on his shoulders about his life. If you had the choice would you have wiped them out knowing what you know now?
Would anyone shed a tear over the Nazis’ demise?
We have often discussed Indonesia’s negative image abroad, especially in the western liberal mindset, why is this so compared with Thailand, the Philippines, Malaysia or even Vietnam? Why is Indonesia so often portrayed in a dark even sinister way? I maintain it is because of the obsession many people have in the west about the events of 1965 (in as much as anyone actually knows anything about Indonesia).
Indonesia had the temerity to choose not to play the role laid out for it by leftists in the west and succumb to the charms of communism and it has never been forgiven for this, it will forever be tainted with the mark of Cain whether it be in modern literature, travel writing, political analysis or blogging.
Chinese communists inflicted untold horrors on their people but are seen now as a welcome rising counterbalance to US power.
Look at Vietnam, can you imagine the terror that was inflicted on the Vietnamese people who chose to resist communism? The murder and torture, the gulags and re-education camps?
So hellish had life become in Vietnam under the communists that over a million people chose to flee their homes and loved ones, all that they held dear and take their families on rickety boats, braving sharks, typhoons and pirates into the South China Sea just to escape, to escape anywhere away from communist Vietnam. We actually have evidence of this, we saw it with our own eyes, the survivors speak of it to this day, compare that with what is alleged about Indonesia.
Poor old Indonesia will never get a decent break in the eyes of the world and it is the professional shroud waving and breast beating of western liberals about 1965 such as is displayed here that will ensure it never will.
Oigal, I get the difference.
What you fail to acknowledge is the actual reality of communist regimes and how they come to power. They only flourish in troubled societies with massive social and economic problems. They promise social justice and a fair economic system. These are very attractive concepts to the poor and dispossessed (well actually to us all).
Nothing about rampaging, blood thirsty hordes at the point.
Where it all goes horribly wrong is when the communist regime is established. What they actually deliver is far removed from the socialist utopia they promised. This is simply a matter of fact observation based on empirical evidence. Your free to have an ideology, just be careful not to confuse it with evidence.
As an aside; I find it laughable that the Nazi are held up as the greatest evil in modern times, in particular the killing of 6 million (?) Jews. While the world claimed such a thing would never be allowed to happen again, over a 100 million have died under socialist regimes. Its even more ironic when the claim is made by left wing apologists. They are careful never to give the translation National SOCIALIST German workers party (NAZI)
Timdog, the little girl may have a better grip on things that a shrill left wing apologist like yourself. Maybe she can teach you a thing or to.
Oigal you are unable to respond well to any dissenting point of view. You also seem to have problems with following simple themes that don’t correspond to your own ideology. This is classic of the liberal left, who have never had to endure the very thing they defend.
The so called for/against thing, is called balance. (look it up)
I would have thought its crystal clear that I am not minimizing the deaths of anyone. The entire thrust of my comments is that I am opposed to people being murdered for an ideology.
“people of my ilk” would offend me, if you knew what my ‘ilk’ actually was. Please try harder………
“One could could actually trace all of these events back to 1965”
Yeah you could if you were a half-wit. How about tracing it to 1949 when the likes of Mao really got warmed up with the greatest mass murder in history, of a government of its own people, in peace time.
Otherwise I agree with that post.
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Oigal, I am afraid that in the middle long term that will indeed be the case, and of course in the long term every one concerned will be dead.
So the best we can hope for is that ultimately there will be some Indonesian recognition of what has actually happened here.
Time works wonders in that regard. If you will allow me I would like to mention a local example I am often confronted with on my daily walks.The main lane in our local park is called the “Transvaal lane”. It was laid out at the relief of Ladysmith and embellished with more than one hundred trees, each one named after a British victory (only thirteen remain). At the entrance of the lane there is a large magnified photograph of the local open air gathering at the news of that relief when people rejoiced throughout the Empire. Twenty thousand people came together then – the largest open air meeting that had until then ever taken place here.
But look, a bit further down there is another monument for this war- constructed in the 1990s.It mentions the number of local men killed in action but it also makes a point of mentioning the number of Boer women and children that died in the Britishconcentration camps. According to the monument: 56,000 ( it looks as if in people’s eagerness to make up for the jingoism of the past this number has been a bit inflated). The monument is flanked by two pillars with on one of them “Lest we forget”and on the other the same motto in Afrikaans.
I find this somehow encouraging.