SBY: Not a Dutch Lion
Oct 5th, 2010, in Featured, News, by Patung
Flighty
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has abruptly canceled his visit to the Netherlands at the last moment, saying at Jakarta’s Halim Perdanakusuma Air Base just before an aborted takeoff today to the Land of Tulips that he was insulted by the plans of a Dutch member of the separatist South Maluku Republic (RMS) movement to file criminal charges against him. He said:
I have decided to cancel this visit
The president had been scheduled to leave Jakarta by Air Force One at 13.30, remaining in the Netherlands until October 9th, but it was not to be.
SBY spoke of his fears:
There has even been a demand for my arrest
This was despite the fact that a spokesman of the Indonesian Embassy in The Hague, Firdaus Dahlan, had assured the president that the Dutch government did not recognise the RMS, and would ensure the security of President Yudhoyono during his visit.
John Wattilette
John Wattilette, the self-proclaimed president of the “Republic of South Maluku” (RMS) movement in exile, had made a demand for the arrest of SBY, in a teletext statement to the Dutch broadcasting network Nederlandse Omroep Stichting (NOS) on 2nd October. antara
Unfortunately the cancellation of the visit will mean SBY will not be showered with the awards and medals he had been due to receive in the Netherlands, now losing out on the coveted Order of The Dutch Lion, from the Dutch government, and the equally prestigious Willem Van Oranje medal, from Leiden University. antara
89 Comments on “SBY: Not a Dutch Lion”
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Here in mexico we would say: guatafok ?!?!?!
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Odinius says:
Hold on here…according to the New York Times, SBY has not “canceled” his visit, but “postponed” it because the ICC in the Hague is going to hear a proposed indictment put forward by the RMS activists.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/world/asia/06indo.html
That’s a bit different from how its presented in the post here. First, it’s not a cancelation. Second, presidents delay trips all the time (e.g. Obama to Indonesia). Third, I have a hard time seeing the ICC not throwing the case out, so the trip will likely go on before too long.
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Yeah, he’ll go at some point… this is what happens when you try and be quick with stuff….I was following Antara
* Cancellation of President`s visit not to disturb relations
* Dutch govt has no respect for Indonesia : Legislator
* President to write Dutch govt about his visit`s cancellation
* Yudhoyono cancels visit to Holland -
writing a lotta letters isn’t he? woehahahahihi!!!
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Or ballad songs….
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Ikut Republik Indonesia Anti Nederland says:
Who needs the Netherlands and their racist bigot intolerant narrow-minded arrogant people and their fat ugly b*tch Queen, anyway?
I visited NL recently and found its people a lot more arrogant, racist and intolerant towards anyone who is not of the white European race.
Look at Geert Wilders and you’ll know.With the very bad economic crisis in Europe now, I think NL stands more to lose from this trip cancellation. Whole of Europe, including NL, is in terrible shape economically. I hope they (especially the Dutch) will rot in their oh so rich, democratic and glorious white hell hole there!
What a bunch of delutional people who think they still own the Dutch East Indies…F*ck the Dutch!
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To the writer of this article : and oh, you can stick your “coveted Order of The Dutch Lion, from the Dutch government, and the equally prestigious Willem Van Oranje medal, from Leiden University” up in your white racist Dutch ass! Go to hell with it!
Who needs all this rubbish anyway? Outside of your oh so rich, democratic and glorious 40,000 square km land called Nederland, no human being will recognize that rubbish! Big deal!!
Gosh… the Dutch are really a bunch of delutional and sad people who think they still own a big colony and think they’re still a great and prosperous world power who can dictate other sovereign countries. *sigh*
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Lairedion says:
LOL, it’s fun to watch somebody having a mental breakdown here.
On topic: While I’m not a fanboy of SBY it’s rubbish to try having a democratically elected president of a sovereign nation arrested. What are the RMS thinking? It won’t do any good for their cause.
RMS better abandon their longing for a separate state and try to reconcile with Indonesia like Nicolaas Jouwe and Hasan di Tiro have done. With their arguments Indonesia can also decide to start arresting Dutch diplomats for crimes against humanity during the colonial period.
The Netherlands and its government are not to blame but it’s quite embarrassing for them.
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hey ikut republic, you should’ve visited some good coffeeshops when you were there man, you might have seen the other side! but indeed holland sucks in a lot of ways right now, check out what the pigs did last week in amsterdam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n5JV5NVlVg&feature=player_embedded&has_verified=1
8 years of those bloody christen-democrats (cda) in power and worse coming now with the pvv, man oh man…
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Latetst news:
The Dutch State have argued SBY enjoys political immunity and refers to a similar case back in 2005 with then US president Bush regarding violations of human rights in Iraq.
A verdict will be expected tomorrow morning 9.00 CET.
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Hans says:
Yes it’s fun the mental breakdown. did not realize who it was who saved BII AND BCA, Was it BI or? Anonymous perhaps*** wrong topic *** All leaders who violate human rights. is of course to be caught and get a trial, it is easy to understand that it most be like that.
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Oigal says:
Dutch govt has no respect for Indonesia : Legislator
* President to write Dutch govt about his visit`s cancellation
* Yudhoyono cancels visit to HollandWhat is really sad is the absolute ignorance of the Legislator and his ignorant comrades (we shall ignore the twit having the mental breakdown). These local morons still don’t grasp the concept that in a democracy (as opposed to whatever we call the system here) governments and shady power brokers don’t get to direct the courts and the judicial system. It has nothing to with Dutch Government and respect. You can bet the Dutch Government really wished the RMS didn’t lodge the case. Seriously, out of 250 million people how does Indonesia end up with such muppets in power time and again. It’s like watching an evolution doco in reverse..
One of the more amusing similar incidents occured in Australia when a red faced, foaming Soeharto demanded Prime Minister Keating do something about the Australian Press (What a boon that character was for the press). Keatings laughing rely “I wish”..
The concept that sad, inept, ignorant public officials deserve respect purely because of their position is pretty much an Indonesian thing and the sooner it falls by the wayside the better for the nation.
On the other hand until Indonesia gets serious about human rights and dignity you can expect more of this to occur. Do these people thing you can keep burying what is going on across the nation for ever in this day and age. Indonesia needs to decide where she wishes to sit in the world. At the moment its pretty much in the robber barons and cartoon section, thanks to a pretty poor bunch of elected (?) representives.
Still could have been worse, a number of the last bunch of Presidential Candidates could never step foot outside of Indonesia without being arrested on touchdown. Damn their hands literally drip with blood of their fellow citizens (not that seems to bother the general (pun) populace for some reason.
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Hi Oigal,
So what if Indonesians have respect for public officials? and that it’s something “pretty much an Indonesian thing”?
Why does the whole world have to follow your western logic and way of doing things?
I agree with Lairedion’s remark above. With the same logic, Indonesia can also start arresting and suing Dutch politicians for heinous crimes against human rights done in Indonesia against Indonesian people. It wasn’t that long ago, you know!
Why don’t you start arresting and suing:
-China leaders for crimes in Tibet or whatever places there.
-USA leaders for crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever other God-forsaken places they so fondly f*cked up throughout the recent history.
-Australia leaders for crimes against the indigenous population of Australia, the rightful owners of the land that is robbed by those British European thieves. Oh yes, let’s call a spade a spade, that’s what they are, thieves!
-Japan leaders for heinous crimes perpetrated all over Asia during WW2.
-Need I go on and on…?The western world, especially Europe, more especially the Netherlands is in accellerated decline. Mark my words, this financial crisis in European soil now is just but the beginning… And thanks to people like Geert Wilders who makes it faster…
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This “case” is pretty frivolous, though, whereas the ones against certain other presidential candidates are not.
That said, it makes it even more strange…how anyone thinks a court would bring an indictment on this is beyond me.
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Aprianti says:
Can’t quite get it. Even the diplomatic officials are granted political immunity when they have official trip to other countries, let alone a president. I mean, this shouldn’t be a particular issue to cancel this particular trip. Could SBY only show his paranoia? (sigh). After his babble about being the target of terrorism, the trip cancellation because of the fear from being arrested, really, when is he going to put his concerns toward the safety of his people above his own? Maybe he doesn’t deserve any medal to begin with.
Or maybe Ikut Republik can give me some enlightenment? 🙂
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berlian biru says:
We shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss SBY’s fears of arrest, unfortunately since the student union mentality took over European political and judicial institutions in the last couple of decades such a prospect is far from unimaginable.
Take for instance the British police who arrested General Pinochet an action which was an affront to the Chilean people who felt it was for them to resolve their political affairs or the fact that senior memebers of the Israeli armed forces and indeed government are instructed not to leave their planes if transiting through Heathrow for fear of arrest or even that the democratically elected former president of Serbia died in a Dutch prison cell.
Just one activist judge in a Dutch court could cause a seriously embarassing international incident and one which would be extremely damaging to Indonesia. He was right to postpone until such times as this court based agitprop of which European nations are so fond is brought under control.
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Lairedion said:
RMS better abandon their longing for a separate state and try to reconcile with Indonesia like Nicolaas Jouwe and Hasan di Tiro have done. With their arguments Indonesia can also decide to start arresting Dutch diplomats for crimes against humanity during the colonial period.
This is why I said it was frivolous. I can’t see a Dutch court humoring it for very long.
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Ross says:
Amid all the fuss, not much attention here to the reasons for the anger amid Moluccan exiles that prompted the intended legal action.
Perhaps a post on the history of the conflict in Maluku might be useful. I’d not even heard of the independence struggle there when I first came out to Indonesia, so perhaps I’ll do one on RRA, which of course will have to be fitted on over the weekend, when I’m less busy.
As for Ikut’s rant, he says ‘Why does the whole world have to follow your western logic and way of doing things?’ -well, you don’t. But why bother signing up to international agrrements on freedom of religion etc if you don’t want to ‘follow’ them?
Has it occurred to him that what he perceives as problematic attitudes among the Dutch have arisen because immigrants of ‘a certain religion’ don’t want to integrate and become Dutch, preferring to maintain primitive habits.
Better they catch a plane home. SBY’s aircraft seems to be available at the moment.
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Why don’t you start arresting and suing:
-China leaders for crimes in Tibet or whatever places there.Good point they should be..
-USA leaders for crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever other God-forsaken places they so fondly f*cked up throughout the recent history.
Yup..would be an interesting case with some very interesting ramifications
-Australia leaders for crimes against the indigenous population of Australia, the rightful owners of the land that is robbed by those British European thieves. Oh yes, let’s call a spade a spade, that’s what they are, thieves!
Yup, of course we then have to boot all the Javanese out of the provinces they have illegally occupied and stole
-Japan leaders for heinous crimes perpetrated all over Asia during WW2.
Indeed…
-Need I go on and on…
actually you do and..Yawn.. quite the rant and missed the whole point. It is not the Dutch Government that brought the case but citizens who have that right to have any case heard on its merit rather than a brown bag. So your childish racist rant against the dutch people and dutch government as whole is particularly troll worthy.
So what if Indonesians have respect for public officials?
So What? well the “what” is pretty much why the richest nation is South East Asia has gone nowhere in the last sixty years and still has people starving in the streets and children dying for the want of basic medical care. Where 30,000 people can be rendered homeless by a rich a’hole and his company and people like you go “So What”…”Yes Pak”
Oh and just to finish off, lets just pretend for fun all of your points are valid, essentially you are telling us that your moral compass is driven by the basic rule “if someone else is an A’hole then I can be as well” seems a pretty sad foundation for a person let alone a nation.
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This is why I said it was frivolous. I can’t see a Dutch court humoring it for very long.
Indeed Ody but it was the over reaction at this end that was astounding
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Dang Rossy..You even managed to work Religion and those evil Islam dudes into this one..:-) You are giving one trick pony a whole new meaning, although a bit of shameless self promotion is probably needed 🙂
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agree with Ross about the history of the conflict in Maluku Might Be useful. I have friends there, military neighbors in Malang, from Maluku, a friend has started a diving business there. anyway the first time I heard of the conflict was yesterday. internet information is bad and one-way.
financial crisis in European soil now is just but the beginning
do not understand where people get information from. We who live here can see that the wheel spins faster and faster, unemployment is falling, interest rates rise, banks are beginning to pay back and be more demanding. property prices rise so rich in Indonesia would blush. -
For more info on the RMS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_the_South_MoluccasIn the past the Moluccans in Holland had a strained relationship with the Dutch State and I understand their frustration the Dutch State abandoning them when it became clear they would not return. But in this particular case it’s the RMS vs. Indonesia and Indonesia is represented by the Dutch State. Within a couple of minutes we’ll see if SBY can board his plane.
Has it occurred to him that what he perceives as problematic attitudes among the Dutch have arisen because immigrants of ‘a certain religion’ don’t want to integrate and become Dutch, preferring to maintain primitive habits.
While I’m known as a critic of Islam this remark is totally unrelated with this thread…
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The Dutch court has spoken. SBY won’t be arrested when he sets foot on Dutch soil so he can board his plane.
Sorry guys. don’t have an English link:
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2349773/geen-arrestatie-indonesische-president.html -
Arie says:
Ikut Republik Indonesia,
It’s interesting to note that, of all the Indonesian people I have met, and who visited the Netherlands at some stage in their lives, you are the first one who has described the Dutch as “racist bigot intolerant narrow-minded arrogant people and their fat ugly b*tch Queen”.
Not satisfied to take out your venom on the Dutch, most of whom you have never met, you even have to insult their queen, who, and I’m sticking my neck out here, you have also never met.I rest my case…….
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Tence says:
I think Ikut RI got rejected by an Dutch girl on his holiday and is now crying bitter tears every time he reads something about the Netherlands on a forum, causing him to go into a fit of rage and start ranting.
Be gentle to him, one day his heart will be ment and his hate for Belanda will disappear.
He might even forgive that evil white girl who so arrogantly rejected him. -
wise man says:
Well, first thing first, let say that SBS really canceled the trip to the Netherlands, the questions is SO WHAT? everyone can make their own decisions. And now, based on many reasons and factors the president has made the decision, so i thing this is the best for us to respect that decisions as we respect president obama and other president when canceled their trip to Indonesia.
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He hasn’t canceled his trip. Actually, the court has already thrown out the lawsuit, so he’s negotiating new dates with the Dutch government as we speak.
English link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/10/06/rms-admits-defeat-plans-file-appeal-after-sby-rearrange-dutch-visit.html
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