Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable
Feb 28th, 2007, in News, by PatungSharia in Aceh is non-negotiable, says a young cleric.
Faisal Ali, the head of “Rabithah Thaliban”, an organisation of Islamic school students in Aceh, says the issue of sharia is not a “political commodity”. Speaking in response to criticisms voiced at an international conference in the capital Banda Aceh of the implementation of sharia and whether it was really desired by the people he said:
It has to be underlined that the application of sharia represents the aspirations of the people to live in an Islamic atmosphere.
Those attending the conference should not discuss whether most people in Aceh support formal sharia or not, he said. People at conferences about Aceh should talk about how to develop the province instead.
If there really were people in Aceh who didn’t agree with sharia he advised them to go and live somewhere else. What’s more, he said, sharia did not disturb those of other faiths.
If sharia was to be talked about the discussion should be confined to how to perfect its application. Sharia was already a vital part of the life of the Aceh people and couldn’t be overturned. republika
152 Comments on “Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable”
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LOL, true, but you know that the true reason US invade other country is not because of the terrorist, right?
Jihadists are just reasons to cover their true motive, actually it makes them feel justified doing what they are doing right now.
I am just curious what is essential problems with “sharia law” while sharia banking system now accepted world’s wide.
well, the problem is not the system itself, the problem is on those people who don’t want to follow it. Sharia banking does not condemn those who don’t want to follow its system to bankcruptcy, there is a choice. Sharia law will force people to follow it, even though they are not Muslim. In fact, they are trying to expel them from Aceh, right?
Imagine this, one day your child is playing in front of your yard. Then he throw stone at a cat who is just passing by. And one animal lover come and take the stone and hurt your child, then hit him continuously, just because he thinks the cat shouldnt be disturb, his belief. Would you want that? You can’t try to enforce what you believe to other people. You can say, but to impose sharia law to non-Muslim is just like that.
Who are you to judge other people based on your belief? Those jihadist/people who try to enforce sharia might think they are doing that for God, but are they really right?
Peace
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Mohammed Khafi says:
1ndra,
Jilbab in the sense of being merely a head cover is acknowledged only in Indonesia. In several Muslim countries it is a full body cover. The jilbab-like costume known variously as the chador in Iran, the pardeh in India and Pakistan, the milayat in Libya, the abaya in Irak, the charshaf in Turki, and lastly, the hijâb in a number of Arab-African countries like Egypt, Sudan and Yemen.
Unfortunately this definition or menaing is coloured by Tradition’s and Sunnah and Hadith, The original Arabic words mean outer garments
According to Ruth Rodded in her book Kembang Peradaban, the debate has centered upon the meaning and practical implementation of the verses of hijâb. Her opinion is based on what consists the proper definition regarding certain words (including the terms hijâb), their contexts and whether the regulation set for the prophet’s wives should become norms for every Muslim woman. Nevertheless as it has been argued by Harun Nasution, “the view that says that hijâb is an obligation, could be answered yes to. And those who say it is not an obligation, could be answered yes to as well. But the clear regulation boundary regarding hijâb is not mentioned in the Qur’an and the hadits mutawatir.” (Islam Rasional, p.332).
In short then, this book takes the view that wearing the jilbab is not an obligation. Even Al Asymawy has proclaimed that the hadits taken as the reference regarding jilbab or hijâb obligation is a hadits ahad (transmitted by single person) which cannot be perceived as having a legal foundation. If jilbab was obligatory for women, the impact would certainly be substantial. As he quoted: “the statement that woman’s hair is aurat, is because it is their crown. It follows that her face, which is her throne, is also aurat. Then her voice which is her authority becomes aurat and her body which is her kingdom aurat. Eventually, the entire female being is considered aurat.” The implication is ultimately that woman cannot do anything as Allah’s creature because she is all-aurat.
Resulting in a woman being forced into Cultural Slavery!
A khimar can be used for any covering while a jilbab is used for a comparatively large piece of cloth. While both are mentioned in the Qur’an in reference to the clothing of Arabian women in the 7th century there is no command to actually wear them in specific. In fact, they are mentioned in the context of protection and modesty.
Al Quran clearly says that a woman should cover her breasts, nowhere, and I will repeat nowhere does Al Quran order a woman to cover her head!
Peace
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1ndra said:
Sharia has problem.
The problem might be the judge didn’t read much Quran.
Or more likely because Sharia is not based on Quran!
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Orgindo said:
The same thing here, does the application of sharia will wipe all those imbecile?
No it means they will be able to breed and brainwash even more of them, without anybody being able to question them and their methods.
Peace.
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1ndra says:
Are you sure they cannot be bribe?
Maybe only the one who have Judge Bao’s principals.
That is true, an animal is treated better than a human being, very sad.
Dog cannot think but human beings have a heart, can change and learn, so we should have compassion.We have compassion to those who have heart and taubat, not the one who are heartless and kambuhan.
More sinful is hacking somebody’s hands.
Nope as long as the Quran implemented, and don’t you remember how much stealing that fulfills the cut condition, I’ve posted in the past and its compassion.
You must be dreaming friend. you never learn and cannot tell right from wrong. Because they are kind peopleFavor for the poor, where?
Now you talk about compassion, giving to the poor. They invest abroad that is more like it.
You dont catch my ‘…’ 😉
I’ve post about corruption in the past too.Baby out of wedlock, no? Stoning till she dies, you forgot to say?
Nope, I didnt read it in Quran. Just lashes.
In my understanding it is fine for the husband. Yes, it would lashes be for the wife. Kind of one sided, no? See, I appreciate where I am.
Both are lashed
Are you sure those who rape and rob live only in the kafir state?
Yes, absolutely. Ask him about the religion at that time. He wont know.
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1ndra said:
Julita said:Baby out of wedlock, no? Stoning till she dies, you forgot to say?
Nope, I didnt read it in Quran. Just lashes.
An example of Sharia Law from Zamfara State, Northern Nigeria:
In cases of adultery, shari’ah resorts to particularly drastic measures. Rape creates an especially difficult burden of proof for the victim. Shari’ah law only provides for punishment in cases of adultery, if both parties admit to have committed the “crime”. If this is not the case, four independent witnesses have to be found; however, the witnesses must be male. In cases of rape, shari’ah rules that a rapist is to be punished with 100 lashes, if unmarried, or with death by stoning, if married, since this would then constitute adultery.
A pregnancy as a result of rape first of all counts as evidence of adultery committed by the woman. The rape victim then has to prove that she really was raped. In case the man – which is very likely – denies that he has raped the woman, the woman has to name four male witnesses to prove the rape. In case the woman does not find these four male witnesses – which again is very likely – she will be charged with slander.
For the crime of slander, shari’ah prescribes a punishment of 80 lashes. On top of that, the woman will be charged with adultery, and is thus threatened with the death penalty, if she is married. In case, she is unmarried, the “adultery” counts as immoral behaviour and is punished with 100 lashes. This is at least what the criminal code of January 2000 of the Nigerian state Zamfara says.
1ndra also said:
Julita said:In my understanding it is fine for the husband. Yes, it would lashes be for the wife. Kind of one sided, no? See, I appreciate where I am.
Both are lashed.
An Example of Saudi Sharia Law:
Adultery is the most serious of crimes. If the guilty party is married, he or she is sentenced to death by stoning, beheading, or shooting. Stoning is the usual method of punishment. Proof of this crime must be established by confession or by four witnesses to the act.
1ndra further said:
Julita said:Are you sure those who rape and rob live only in the kafir state?
Yes, absolutely. Ask him about the religion at that time. He wont know.
So in actual fact, according to your undrstanding 1ndra, all Muslims who commit crimes, are at that time kafir? No wonder Islam has so few criminals!
Peace
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So in actual fact, according to your undrstanding 1ndra, all Muslims who commit crimes, are at that time kafir? No wonder Islam has so few criminals!
You don’t catch my words, what I mean is when a Muslim does a very big sin/crime which causes many victims to suffer a lot, then the Muslim criminals shouldn’t any longer be treated as Muslim, and should be captured or they might attack back.
That was my reply to Julita who asked a question about rapist and no mercy to that rapist.
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Another couple of examples of Sharia in action:
18-year old Christian Abok Alfa Akok in the West-Sudanese town Darfur who was charged with adultery and sentenced to death by stoning on 8 December 2001. In March 2002 the verdict was transformed into 75 lashings to be carried out immediately. Interesting here is the fact that by convicting a Christian this case stands in direct contrast to statements by Islamists that shari’ah is not applicable to non-Muslims. This is a tendency which can also be observed concerning issues such as alcohol prohibition, dress codes and gender separation on public transport.
In April 2002 a stoning verdict was reported in south-western Pakistan. Apparently, Zafran Bibi who originally had accused her brother-in-law of rape, had been convinced by the police to admit that she had committed adultery. In order to prove the rape, four male witnesses would have been necessary as well. After protests from human rights groups, the supreme court of Pakistan allowed an appeal and ordered the temporary suspension of the execution in the beginning of May. So far, death penalties in accordance with the respective Pakistani law have not been carried out. However, “lynch-law” is known to have been applied to adulterers.
These report are all from International Society for Human Rights.
Peace.
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1ndra said:
You don’t catch my words, what I mean is when a Muslim does a very big sin/crime which causes many victims to suffer a lot, then the Muslim criminals shouldn’t any longer be treated as Muslim, and should be captured or they might attack back.
That was my reply to Julita who asked a question about rapist and no mercy to that rapist.So people like Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 killers, Bali, Madrid, and London bombers, suicide bombers in Palestine, do their crimes they should all be punished if they haven’t already killed themselves? What about their teachers, their Imam’s their Mullah’s, they should also have some of the share of the blame should they not?
I was in the Middle East at the time of the 9/11 Incident, and I saw people who were working for me dancing with joy at the news, not one of them was dismayed, at what had happened, I have witnessed atrocities being carried carried out in the name of the religion I follow, which are either treated with joy at the news or an attitude of they deserved it, or people saying such things as “it was planned by the Jews”, “they were sinners”, “Evil Western Culture” etc. etc. Never do I see condemnation of such acts by Muslim society as a whole, and seldom even by individuals.
To be honest with you, at times like these I feel deep shame and embarrasment that I have to call myself a Muslim or a follower of Islam, because these people, the cowardly murderers, and the silent supporters, just make me feel so sad. But do you know what? afterwards I feel invigorated because of the fact that so many unreasoning, intolerant, ignorant people, give me a reason to keep on trying to spread the truth about Islam, and bring people back to the straight path.
As long as there are people like you around, who apparently don’t have the intellect or intelligence to question and reason what you are following, I will keep fighting that attitude until my last dying breath, and be ready for the Day of Judgement, with a clear heart and conscience.
1ndra, the people of Indonesia don’t want your Sharia Law, whichever kind it may be, they want fair and just application of law, democracy and good governance, they want tolerance and freedom, they want a good education and a good standard of living, they want jobs, and relationships, they want marriage partners and children, they want a place to live that they can call their own.
Just show me one of your Sharia Paradises on Earth where they can have that? Sharia based on Sunnah and Hadith does not work, it never has and never will do.
Even the Guardians of Islam in Saudi Arabia, who have always had Sharia and now have incredible oil wealth have never lived up to the standards of The Prophet since the era of The Four Rightly Guided Caliphs, why in fact do you think they have that name? because since then none have been rightly guided!
Despite all the Quranic injunctions against slavery it was not abolished there by law until the mid 1960’s, and in one form or another still exists!. They, despite all their oil wealth and free education, have a 35% unemployment rate, they also have one of the highest crime rate increases in the world, despite having Sharia law. In fact the crime rate increase was so high that they have stopped publishing the figures!
Despite social welfare and free health and education, there is still a huge gap between rich and poor. Despite Al Quran’s elevation of women to equal partners with men, womens rights are terrible, they are not even allowed to drive. They have no democracy despite this being given a high place in Al Quran. They have the highest incidence of car theft in all of the Gulf States. And the system is so oppressive there, that the queues to leave the country to go to Bahrain via the King Fahd Causeway number up to 50,000 at the weekends.
Additionally their sytem of justice is completely barbaric, not just stopping at amputation but also including beheading, crucifiction and the display of headless corpses at public spaces.
Do we really need this in Indonesia? If they cannot stop crime totally with all their money and social welfare, education etc, barbaric justice and punishments what chance do we have?
No 1ndra, if you like the idea of Sharia so much, instead of imposing it on us, why don’t you just go live over there! Oh I forgot, they won’t just let you go over there and live will they, so much for the Muslim Ummah I guess!
Peace.
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Rani Kirana says:
Yes, 1ndra
Why don’t you go and live overthere (in Sharia Paradise – middle east?) and tell us your real story about how good Sharia Law is, instead of imposing it on us without any proven facts.
salam
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Julita says:
M.Khafi :Thanks for clearing up some of the discussion with Indra.
In my understanding it is fine for the husband. Yes, it would lashes be for the wife.
Indra or anybody: Please clarify the following, Ma Malakat Aymanuhum, I think it is from the Quran:
33:52
70:30
23:6
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Julita,
The problem with Sharia is that it is not Divinely inspired as the mainstream Muslims would have you believe, it is manmade and there are so many different interpretations and applications, it seems that every sect and country has their own versions, and they all break Quranic injunctions with regard to Human Rights and especially Womens Rights. thay also break Quranic instructions with regard to Judicial Punishments and Freedom of Religious Belief.
With regard to “Ma Malakat Aymanuhum” this has been discussed here before on the thread “Alfarini Eridani”, I think pages 9 and 10.
Literally translated it means “those whom your right hand possess”. The phrase has a number of meanings. Which you will find if you follow this link Quranic Teachings.
It can also mean those related to you by your oath. In the case of a single man this is the oath of engagement to marry. In the case of a custodian this is the oath of adoption or financial support. Following are the list of verses where this expression occurs and the context of each occurrence:
Who you made an oath to marry: (4:3,4:24, 4:25, 23:6, 33:50, 33:52, 70:30).
Who you made an oath to adopt/take custody of: (24:31, 24:33, 24:58, 33:55).
Who you made an oath to financially support in general: (4:33, 4:36, 16:71, 30:28).
These are not the meanings that the mainstream use however, they believe that the phrase means slaves, because this is what their corrupted Hadith teaches them. This means that they are allowed to have sex with slaves and with prisoners of war!
The Islamic legal manual ‘Umdat al-Salik, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, stipulates: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.”
Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors. The Qur’an permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls:
To prove this generally accepted interpretation of the word wrong there is a specific word in Arabic language for female slaves and this word has been used at least twice in the Quran, once as a singular [“amatun” which is used in 2:221] and secondly as a plural [“imaaun”, which is used in 24:32].
Allah clearly states in Al Quran that “the right way is clearly distinct from the wrong” so why do the followers of Sunnah and Hadith still follow the clearly wrong path? Maybe 1ndra, Hassan or Cukurungan will be able to enlighten us!
Peace.
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Cukurungan says:
Khafi,
Sorry, I mis-understood your position towards hadist. It seemed to me you didn’t totally reject all hadist. You rejected hadist not because it is soheh or not but rather you can use it or not to support your argument.
Btw I strongly believe that the prophet forbade any writing beyond the quran is a hadist soheh but my God given logical think said, those only valid during Quran wasn’t yet well documented to avoid mix between Quran and Hadist.
Referring to your interpretation towards Quran, it can be concluded that most sahabat, tabi’in, Al-azhar cleric, Saudi cleric and shi’ah cleric, four mainstream Imam and Bukhari are a narrow minded, brainwashed, bigot who cannot understand the most simple of principles from Your Lord and the only person know the truth in Quran is your self and your elite group.
Only you and your elite members have been given by God a straight path while the rest of the moslem mainstream are in the wrong path and not more than pagan.
Therefore your opinion towards the mainstream moslems is not much different from Ali Sina from freefaith org, the only difference is Ali Sina confronted the islamic tenets from the outside while you tried to reduce the islamic tenets from inside.
Anyway let me ask you question below.
1) What is your opinion about routine Moslem ceremonies like wudhu, 5 times shalat, Haj, puasa. Do we need to follow the rules in the hadist or we can do it in our own way because Quran not detailing the way do wudhu, shalat, puasa and haji.2) What is your position towards islamic tenets from the hadist? All islamic tenets from hadist must be rejected or it must be selected?
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In my understanding it is fine for the husband. Yes, it would lashes be for the wife.
Both of them Julita, see the An Nuur (24): 2.
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Indra or anybody: Please clarify the following, Ma Malakat Aymanuhum, I think it is from the Quran:
33:52
70:30
23:6
Will talk to you, for now I am out and my thanks.In 23:6 and the verses before means Muslim must not having sex other than with their wives.
In 33:52 means that the prophet is forbidden to make another marriage.
In 70:30 have the same meaning with 23:6.
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Cuk Said:
Sorry, I mis-understood your position towards hadist. It seemed to me you didn’t totally reject all hadist. You rejected hadist not because it is soheh or not but rather you can use it or not to support your argument.
I do reject all Hadith Cuk, however I will accept historical information which has been witnessed by many people and well documented, such as the last sermon of The Prophet which was witnessed by thousands of people, but unfortunately even that when used in Hadith has three versions! So you see that even the historical data witnessed by thousands is corrupted!
Btw I strongly believe that the prophet forbade any writing beyond the quran is a hadist soheh but my God given logical think said, those only valid during Quran wasn’t yet well documented to avoid mix between Quran and Hadist.
I am glad to here this Cuk, but why do you think that Allah say that His Quran is Complete, Perfect and Fully Detailed, He seems to be saying that it is well documented by him, only the followers of Hadith don’t beleive this? He states quite clearly that He doesn’t run out of words, and that if all the oceans were ink he could use then up and the same again!
Referring to your interpretation towards Quran, it can be concluded that most sahabat, tabi’in, Al-azhar cleric, Saudi cleric and shi’ah cleric, four mainstream Imam and Bukhari are a narrow minded, brainwashed, bigot who cannot understand the most simple of principles from Your Lord and the only person know the truth in Quran is your self and your elite group.
Whilst the first part of this statement is unboubtedly correct, one just needs to look at the contradictions between Hadith and Al Quran to show this, I would not agree with the second part of the statement, there are many, many people who know the truth from Al Quran, those who read it and try to understand it with a clean and open heart, those are the ones who Allah promises to place the message into, unfortnately when they try to teach this message, the upholders of Hadith, accuse them of either insulting The Prophet or of being Apostates, which in most Islamic areas results in a death sentence! A good method of preserving the mainstrean ideals but hardly conducive to debate or discussion is it.
Only you and your elite members have been given by God a straight path while the rest of the moslem mainstream are in the wrong path and not more than pagan.
We have all been given a straight path, anybody who has received Divine Scriptures or Messages in fact, but unfortunately not many people follow this path. As I have said before, the Jews were given Torah, but follow Talmud, The Christians were given injeel, but folow Gospel, the Muslims were given Al Quran but follow Hadith and Sunnah. I have never mentioned paganisme in any of my comments, but it is hard to deny that there are elements of previous religions enshrined within present day mainstream Muslim practice, but these are mostly Talmudic influence from the Jews, that is not to say that there no paganistic practices, maybe throwing stones at rocks and kissing the black stone.
Therefore your opinion towards the mainstream moslems is not much different from Ali Sina from freefaith org, the only difference is Ali Sina confronted the islamic tenets from the outside while you tried to reduce the islamic tenets from inside.
What you consider to be Islamic tenents, I consider to be Hadith corruption, Islam is my religion and I will do all that I can to once again make Al Quran the only source of Religious Law as Allah Stipulates within his book:
Say: “Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? – when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail.” They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. 6:114
Anyway let me ask you question below.
1) What is your opinion about routine Moslem ceremonies like wudhu, 5 times shalat, Haj, puasa. Do we need to follow the rules in the hadist or we can do it in our own way because Quran not detailing the way do wudhu, shalat, puasa and haji.Wudu is clear in Al Quran in verse 5:6:
This is the ablution that God has decreed for the believers in the Quran. It consist of four simple steps:
1- Wash the face
2- Wash the arms to the elbows
3- Wipe the head
4- Wash the feet to the ankles.
But is this the ablution that is performed by 99% of Muslims today? No it is not !Sholat Times:
I can only find two, at both ends of the day and a part of the night.
“And uphold the Salat at both edgess of the day, and a part of the night…” (11:114)
“Uphold the Salat of the sun’s rubbing (duluk) until the darkness of night, and the Reading (Quran) at dawn. The Reading (Quran) at dawn is witnessed.” (17:78)
Both edges of the day (11:114) is the period just at sunrise and just before sunset, while (17:78) gives a continuation of the sunset until early night (hence 11:114 mentioned a ‘part’ of the night).Puasa:
“O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-” 2:183
“(Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.” 2:184
“Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur’an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” 2:185
“Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah. Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.” 2:187
“And complete the Hajj or ‘umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the ‘umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment.” 2:196
Hajj:
The following verses are from a person, who’s translation and ideas I find interesting but, but who’s principles I do not adhere to, but they do illustrate that there is sufficient information in AL Quran to perform Hajj, and that there is no reason to take Hadith as a source of Islamic Law.
These are the verses (in sequence) that deal with Hajj (Pilgrimage) in the Quran.
“And proclaim that the people shall observe Hajj pilgrimage. They will come to you walking or riding on various exhausted (means of transportation). They will come from the farthest locations.”22:27.8
We have rendered the shrine (the Kaba) a focal point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use Abraham’s shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned Abraham and Ismail: “You shall purify My house for those who visit, those who live there, and those who bow and prostrate.” 2:125
The knolls of Safa and Marwah are among the rites decreed by GOD. Anyone who observes Hajj or `Umrah commits no error by traversing the distance between them. If one volunteers more righteous works, then GOD is Appreciative, Omniscient. 2:158
They ask you about the phases of the moon! Say, “They provide a timing device for the people, and determine the time of Hajj.” It is not righteous to beat around the bush; righteousness is attained by upholding the commandments and by being straightforward. You shall observe GOD, that you may succeed. 2:189
You shall observe the complete rites of Hajj and `Umrah for GOD. If you are prevented, you shall send an offering, and do not resume cutting your hair until your offering has reached its destination. If you are ill, or suffering a head injury (and you must cut your hair), you shall expiate by fasting, or giving to charity, or some other form of worship. During the normal Hajj, if you break the state of Ihram (sanctity) between `Umrah and Hajj, you shall expiate by offering an animal sacrifice. If you cannot afford it, you shall fast three days during Hajj and seven when you return home – this completes ten -provided you do not live at the Sacred Masjid. You shall observe GOD, and know that GOD is strict in enforcing retribution. 2:196
Hajj shall be observed in the specified months. Whoever sets out to observe Hajj shall refrain from sexual intercourse, misconduct, and arguments throughout Hajj. Whatever good you do, GOD is fully aware thereof. As you prepare your provisions for the journey, the best provision is righteousness. You shall observe Me, O you who possess intelligence. 2:197
You commit no error by seeking provisions from your Lord (through commerce). When you file from `Arafaat, you shall commemorate GOD at the Sacred Location (of Muzdalifah). You shall commemorate Him for guiding you; before this, you had gone astray. 2:198
You shall file together, with the rest of the people who file, and ask GOD for forgiveness. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. 2:199
Once you complete your rites, you shall continue to commemorate GOD as you commemorate your own parents, or even better. Some people would say, “Our Lord, give us of this world,” while having no share in the Hereafter. 2:200-201
Others would say, “Our Lord, grant us righteousness in this world, and righteousness in the Hereafter, and spare us the retribution of Hell.” 2:201
You shall commemorate GOD for a number of days (in Mena); whoever hastens to do this in two days commits no sin, and whoever stays longer commits no sin, so long as righteousness is maintained. You shall observe GOD, and know that before Him you will be gathered. 2:203
The most important shrine established for the people is the one in Becca; a blessed beacon for all the people. In it are clear signs: the station of Abraham. Anyone who enters it shall be granted safe passage. The people owe it to GOD that they shall observe Hajj to this shrine, when they can afford it. As for those who disbelieve, GOD does not need anyone. 3:96-97
O you who believe, you shall fulfill your covenants. Permitted for you to eat are the livestock, except those specifically prohibited herein. You shall not permit hunting throughout Hajj pilgrimage. GOD decrees whatever He wills. 5:1
O you who believe, do not violate the rites instituted by GOD, nor the Sacred Months, nor the animals to be offered, nor the garlands marking them, nor the people who head for the Sacred Shrine (Ka’ba) seeking blessings from their Lord and approval. Once you complete the pilgrimage, you may hunt. Do not be provoked into aggression by your hatred of people who once prevented you from going to the Sacred Masjid. You shall cooperate in matters of righteousness and piety; do not cooperate in matters that are sinful and evil. You shall observe GOD. GOD is strict in enforcing retribution. 5:2
O you who believe, GOD will test you with some game within reach of your hands and your arrows (during pilgrimage). GOD thus distinguishes those among you who observe Him in their privacy. Those who transgress after this have incurred a painful retribution. 5:94
O you who believe, do not kill any game during pilgrimage. Anyone who kills any game on purpose, his fine shall be a number of livestock animals that is equivalent to the game animals he killed. The judgment shall be set by two equitable people among you. They shall make sure that the offerings reach the Ka’ba. Otherwise, he may expiate by feeding poor people, or by an equivalent fast to atone for his offense. GOD has pardoned past offenses. But if anyone returns to such an offense, GOD will avenge it. GOD is Almighty, Avenger. 5:95
All fish of the sea are made lawful for you to eat. During pilgrimage, this may provide for you during your journey. You shall not hunt throughout the pilgrimage. You shall reverence GOD, before whom you will be summoned. 5:96
Therefore, roam the earth freely for four months, and know that you cannot escape from GOD, and that GOD humiliates the disbelievers. 9:2
The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD’s law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous. 9:36
Altering the Sacred Months is a sign of excessive disbelief; it augments the straying of those who have disbelieved. They alternate the Sacred Months and the regular months, while preserving the number of months consecrated by GOD. They thus violate what GOD has consecrated. Their evil works are adorned in their eyes. GOD does not guide the disbelieving people. 9:37
We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine: “You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it, those who live near it, and those who bow and prostrate.” And proclaim that the people shall observe Hajj pilgrimage. They will come to you walking or riding on various exhausted (means of transportation). They will come from the farthest locations.” 22:26-27
They may seek commercial benefits, and they shall commemorate GOD’s name during the specified days for providing them with livestock. “Eat therefrom and feed the despondent and the poor.” They shall complete their obligations, fulfill their vows, and visit the ancient shrine. 22:28-29
The (livestock) provide you with many benefits for a period, before being donated to the ancient shrine. 22:33
The animal offerings are among the rites decreed by GOD for your own good. You shall mention GOD’s name on them while they are standing in line. Once they are offered for sacrifice, you shall eat therefrom and feed the poor and the needy. This is why we subdued them for you, that you may show your appreciation. 22:36
GOD has fulfilled His messenger’s truthful vision: “You will enter the Sacred Masjid, GOD willing, perfectly secure, and you will cut your hair or shorten it (as you fulfill the pilgrimage rituals) there. You will not have any fear. Since He knew what you did not know, He has coupled this with an immediate victory.” 48:27
Sura 22 is called Al-Hajj. Read the whole Sura
2) What is your position towards islamic tenets from the hadist? All islamic tenets from hadist must be rejected or it must be selected?
Allah says” Now that I have given them this book, complete and fully detailed, in which stories will they believe?”
If I am given two apples, one perfect and sweet, the other full of worms and rot, which one will I take a bite from?
I have no problems with taking historical stories as long as there is some supporting evidence to their truth and objectivity, as a source of learning to put Al Quran into perspective, however I am not willing to gamble my soul by taking them as a source of religious law.
Peace.
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Ali says:
Cukurungan:
Japan and Scandinavian people are naturally very good people, might opinion they don’t need even religion and law to control their society.
Cuk, “naturally very good people”, take a look at their past, see how bloody and violent they were. But yes, they have changed to be very civilized people nowadays, and they did not achieve that by implementing sharia.
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Ali,
You tell me how long it take to transform Scandinavian and Japan violent society to become a civilized society as today.
Whereas Aceh people are still learning and finding what the best system to improve theirs society not more than 1 years but there’s already too many not nice songs directed to them.
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Khafi said:
I am glad to here this Cuk, but why do you think that Allah say that His Quran is Complete, Perfect and Fully Detailed, He seems to be saying that it is well documented by him, only the followers of Hadith don’t beleive this? He states quite clearly that He doesn’t run out of words, and that if all the oceans were ink he could use then up and the same again!
Cukurungan say :
My God given logical thinking said, Quran is fully complete and detailing about what must be done and must not be done for the mand kind and the truth in there is absolute whereas the hadist is detailing what should be done and should not be done for the mand kind and the truth in there is time dependent and it need to be rechecked with the truth in Quran. Let we take an example for evidence of rape case in sharia law, my opinion “DNA fingers print” evidence is more valids than 4 mans witness in the old system , because it is fully in line with the basic quranic teaching that the truth of justice must be above of everything.
Therefore, the hadist for me is still a very valuable and valid a guidance to become a good moslem but it need always to be rechecked against the quranic value and principal.
Your answer concerning sholat, it was not quite clear to me. How you do sholat. Do you sholat 5 times a day and how you determine number rakaat in sholat
and how you do excatly steps by steps of your sholat because it is no details in the quran.Can we do sholat as “kejawen version ” or “eling” or “always remember God” is enough to become a good Moslem?
Let assume after reading your elightment writings suddenly I become a very goods man and all my bad side gone and my remaining sides is only good and very good. Say I become man version of mother theresia. At this case, do I still need to do sholat or not.
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Cuk Said:
You tell me how long it take to transform Scandinavian and Japan violent society to become a civilized society as today.
Whereas Aceh people are still learning and finding what the best system to improve theirs society not more than 1 years but there’s already too many not nice songs directed to them.
Cuk, you tell us how long Saudi Arabia has had Sharia and why they are still uncivilised, using beheadings and amputations as criminal justice? They also do not uphold Human Rights or Womens Rights.
Sharia does not work!
Peace
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Cuk Said:
Let we take an example for evidence of rape case in sharia law, my opinion “DNA fingers print” evidence is more valids than 4 mans witness in the old system , because it is fully in line with the basic quranic teaching that the truth of justice must be above of everything.
Once again I am glad that you can show yourself to be very modern and forward thinking, but DNA Fingerprinting is not in the Hadith is it? and if Hadith is implemented it never will be, because the rules as they are laid out and have been for centuries are not open to interpretation. We will have mediaeval law enforced by the sword, and threats of death for those who disagree.
I will not be diverted by your questions about prayer, suffice to say that If Allah wanted you to pray in a certain way he would surely have given you details in His Complete, Perfect and Fully Detailed book.
If there are people living on an island who had no faith, are you telling me that if they had Al Quran they could not become Muslims? Are you telling me that they need 70 volumes of Hadith, when they already have Allah words in Al Quran, do you think that Allah is so weak?
Can we do sholat as “kejawen version ” or “eling” or “always remember God” is enough to become a good Moslem?
You will have to read Al Quran and come to your own conclusions about this, what you do has to come from your own heart, not by blindly following others. Don’t forget that it says in Al Quran, “Do not forget your contact prayers, but rememberance of Allah is greater“.
Let assume after reading your elightment writings suddenly I become a very goods man and all my bad side gone and my remaining sides is only good and very good. Say I become man version of mother theresia. At this case, do I still need to do sholat or not.
Yes of course you do, how else are you to be thankful for what Allah has given you. But what form your sholat takes, well who knows?
Peace.
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Khafi,
What do you think other system can civilize “saudi” if sharia doesn’t work either ….Will American System work on them?…might work for provoking a civil war as on Irag nowdays.
If there is a very goods gun to shoot a target but the target still miss who should be blame …gun or man behind gun.Don’t confuse between in-competent government VS a bad system…if sharia doesn’t work…so only earthquake will be.
Btw have a nice escape
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Naga says:
The real problem with Sharia is that it is derived from religious text, and all religion is based on mythology, in other words, it is all bullsh*t!
Religion is designed to keep you sheep under control, whilst your leaders are busy having money and Jewelry baths, sending their fat, over-indulged children to American universities, sending their wives to Singapore for shopping trips, whilst the rest of you argue over things that don’t exist….
You may as well argue over the ‘Star Wars’ saga, because it is no more true than all the horsesh*t written in the Al-Quran….
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Cuk,
I do not think that anybody else’s system could civilise Saudi Arabi, the change has to come from within not from without. But with Sharia in place in Suadi Aradia, there is very little hope of change as the system will not allow it. As you are well aware no dissent is allowed under a Sharia system, neither civil or religious debate or reasoning is allowed.
Peace.
Naga,
Thank you for such well reasoned and obviously deeply thought out comments, your intellect, intelligence, and tolerance are so clearly defined in your comments. It is clear that atheism has allowed your intellect and reasoning to blossom to heights far above the rest of us.
Peace
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“Thank you for such well reasoned and obviously deeply thought out comments, your intellect, intelligence, and tolerance are so clearly defined in your comments. ”
Your welcome, and no… i’m quite clearly intolerant….
“It is clear that atheism has allowed your intellect and reasoning to blossom to heights far above the rest of us.”
if you burned your Koran, you too, could join me on the dark side…remember, Luke…. i am your father
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I sense that the Force is weak in you today My Lord, but don’t forget that you will meet your redemption at my hands and the Sith and the Empire will both end up being destroyed, but do not worry My Lord Vader, your returning to the light and ultimately your death will bring balance to The Force.
Peace
Your Son, LukeP.S.
Don’t worry, I will tell Mathew, Mark and John, that we had a little chat, they will be so happy to hear your news, their Mother often talks about you, not very complimentary, but what can you expect if you fall in love with a handsome man in uniform? Not really a good prospect for a young woman is it? -
The real problem with Sharia is that it is derived from religious text, and all religion is based on mythology, in other words, it is all bullsh*t!
Give me something sensible from science, you think science is all powerful? This is my opinion, science is just another way of explaining something. It is a method, just like religion. It become so powerful because it can explain a lot of things, but the mistake is to assume that science can explain all the things.
Well, even you can’t understand science fully, so who are you to make a deriding opinion about religion? You are not atheist my friend, you are just plain ignorant, or apathy, a person who think he is atheist, but not for the sake of rational reasoning, but just afraid to face the truth. I have seen a better atheist.
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Hi Indra, I am back.
I don’t like to contradict of what you explained but why are things so confusing. The following two statements is different Indra, I have no Quran so I cannot check, perhaps they just wrote what they like. I appreciate if you clear it up for me since we were discussing about it otherwise just forget it.
I was not able to find it the last I wrote.Islam also allows sexual intercourse with one’s slave maids and as many ‘captive’ women as one desires (Koran 4:3) – even if those women are married.
Part of the Koran, however, states that fornication and adultery are sin:
“And go not nigh to fornication; surely it is an obscenity. And evil is the way.” (Koran 17:32)
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Naga,
My girls what is a better than mythology? at least, it is much better than drugs and vodka.
If you can ensure that you’re always success, free from accident and sickness and always get what you want. In this case, definitely, I agree with you that a religion is no longer reguired.
Of courses, the truth in the religion are only assumption and perception and we are still alive and never go to the “akhirat” but even the edges of the universe is only assumption and it doesn’t mean not exist.
Therefore a religion is strongly required to minimize a desparation feeling to the losser people , especially in this thirds world’s country, there are not so many people success financially. At least a religion can be functioned as buffer zones to avoid masses suicide.
Unless you’re believe in a religion, I bet you will be end-up in suicide attempt before your age is fourty
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Ihaknt says:
😀 LOL Cuk you make me laugh. So you are a looser? Or you just subliminally claiming that you are financially successful? Well whatever you are, you are funny!
Mmm mass suicide huh? Hello, recall the already on-going suicide bombers? They claim they are religious!!!
Therefore a religion is strongly required to minimize a desparation feeling to the losser people , especially in this thirds world’s country, there are not so many people success financially. At least a religion can be functioned as buffer zones to avoid masses suicide.
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Oh my other girls is jealous …sorry I left you behind ….the suicide bomber is not a merely suicide attempt because they told by their masters to use their souls as a weapons to attack God enemies while “pure suicider” kill their self without purpose
Moreover , the suicide bomber number were only a handful people compare with total world’s suicide rates almost 1 millions/ years and most of them committed by people from prosperous country like lithuania, findland, sovyet and most eastern europe & Japan that proved itself deadly combination no religion plus vodka.
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Gees you’re so educated! We all can tell from your post you’re a genious!
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Ali,
Your analysis make me smile in morning while I was enjoying my breakfast.
Japan and Scandinavian people are naturally very good people, might opinion they don’t need even religion and law to control their society. This might be one reason God never sends His messanger there instead to Jews and Arabs, most difficult people to control. (only my opinion might wrong).
I agreed the people of Indo need to be overhauled and we will use sharia as a tool to overhaul them. Because non-sharia law has been proven to not be working, besides already more than 60 years in place.
Of course any law can be potentially abused, no exception including sharia law.
I am just curious what is the essential problem with “sharia law”, while sharia banking system now accepted world wide.
Orgindo,
Frankly, I am waiting for a US invasion here because it will be valid for Indo moslems to do Jihad protecting their home land and religion, so please don’t wait 5 years, ask them and do it now, we are ready to confront them even my gun only ketapel and sumpit.