Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable
Feb 28th, 2007, in News, by PatungSharia in Aceh is non-negotiable, says a young cleric.
Faisal Ali, the head of “Rabithah Thaliban”, an organisation of Islamic school students in Aceh, says the issue of sharia is not a “political commodity”. Speaking in response to criticisms voiced at an international conference in the capital Banda Aceh of the implementation of sharia and whether it was really desired by the people he said:
It has to be underlined that the application of sharia represents the aspirations of the people to live in an Islamic atmosphere.
Those attending the conference should not discuss whether most people in Aceh support formal sharia or not, he said. People at conferences about Aceh should talk about how to develop the province instead.
If there really were people in Aceh who didn’t agree with sharia he advised them to go and live somewhere else. What’s more, he said, sharia did not disturb those of other faiths.
If sharia was to be talked about the discussion should be confined to how to perfect its application. Sharia was already a vital part of the life of the Aceh people and couldn’t be overturned. republika
152 Comments on “Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable”
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Mohammed Khafi says:
Cuk said:
I am not quite understand with your definition of the truth because the history of andalusia written by historians (ordinay man) you referred to as the truth whereas “hadist soheh” written by a credible sahabat you reffered to as “kebohongan”
Historical fact and Hadith are two completely different things. Whilst it is true that the victors normally write history to enhance their own history and to hide any of their bad deeds, in this case the historical facts of Al Andalus have been written from documentary evidence from Islamic, Jewish and Christian sources and from onsite archaeology, nobody has any particular viewpoint to push, the fact that the Islamic rule of Al Andalus is shown in such a good light is evidence of this.
Hadith on the other hand, has no documentary evidence from before the original hadith collections and the science of Hadith authentication if you can call it that is based on hearsay, Abdul said that Hasim said that Ilham said that Musa said that The Prophet said, and they were all good men so it must be true!. This sort of evidence can not even be used to convict a criminal in court so why would you want to base you religious beliefs on it? The reason that there is no documentary evidence of hadith before the collections is because The Prophet forbade it, and his wishes were upheld by the Four Rightly Guided Caliphs, all writings of The Prophet of this nature when found during their time other than Al Quran were collected and destroyed.
I don’t agree with your analogy that we as mainstream moslems are rejecting Quran and replace it with Hadist.
Just listen to your clerics, they are always The Prophet said this or The Prophet said that, they never say, “it says in Al Quran” There are so many examples of where you are replacing Al Quran by Hadith, some examples are head covering for women, men not being allowed to use gold or wear silk, Halal food laws, slaughter rituals, prayer rituals, etc. I could go on for a long time but you have seen these all before so I would be wasting my time.
We consider Quran is “Operation Manuals” for mankind whereas Hadist is “Standard Operating Procedure” that’s detailing any activities given in “operation manuals”.
Despite the fact that Allah says that Al Quran is complete, perfect, and fully detailed? Allah also says “Now that I have given them this book, complete and fully detailed, in which stories will they believe”? It also says in Al Quran that your Lord does not run out of words, if all the oceans were ink, he could use them all up and the same again! With all those words available don’t you think He would have included detailed instructions if He wanted you to follow them?
Your minds is locked by “wiki definition” but please check what is an essential of civilization in this reality life.
It is not possible to set the civilization village as you cited without scapegoat because any farmers need enough land and market. Yes, there were civilized anglo saxon farmers but it was built in the red indian and aborigine land and slavery of African people.
I don’t really know how to make this simple enough for you to understand, but civilisation is not about scapegoats or land or markets, it is about being civil, that is having a just way of life, it is about politeness, and gentleness, rejecting that which is unjust, disorganised, rude and violent.
Peace
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1ndra says:
Once in a while you need to get out of your cocoon and see the world.
Already do that in my past.
Next time you should wake up and look around how ‘well’ law is supposed to be and try to make friends with some ‘criminals’, you’ll see the REAL world then.
This is a hard world, not a neverland.
lolYou don’t need trauma to build a good society, what you need is an education that makes them understand right from wrong. And that does not include fear, violence, or hatred.
Right, but where’s the education?
Simple: I know robbing is against the Ten Commandments, so even if no human can catch me, God will, therefore, I won’t do that – that’s all it takes.
So, if you think people need physical coercion or threats to behave properly, maybe something else is wrong.
Good for you.
But criminals aren’t into that. They are waiting for their punishments.____________
My parents didn’t teach me not to do crime not by showing punishments, but they talked with and gave me explanations.
And I have never broke the law till now, never do any criminal deed.
Isn’t this way better? (oh, ya, and me myself: I think and I feel).You know from my past posts, you have a great family but sadly not all people have that.
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Bottom line: Attaching a religious label to law doesn’t make it better.
With the attached religion then all Muslim will know what crime from Quran perspective and they’ll be more cautious to crime action and might be active in reporting crimes because they’re heart called to uphold Quran and people are called study Quran furthermore to be a better Muslim in Quran view.
For as long as people (read: kids) are taught to ‘stop’ violence with violence, the vicious cycle will never end.
Yes, so the crimes are as long as there’re laws 🙂
Crime exist in all time and so the jails and laws are.
What we needed is hardened law to separate criminals and good people and make those merciless criminals, kapok.
See your Quran ihaknt.1ndra, cukurang etc – no logic or intellect at all. Very immature. No surprise then, that they support oppresive sharia law.
Do you have any opinion or just wandering around? No intellect at all.
Get to the real world and get mature, dont watch sinetron too much.some examples are head covering for women
Read your Quran once more. And I’m wasting my time explaining to ‘non-reading Quran’ Muslim.
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Well done 1ndra, you have just confirmed, the ‘no logic or intellect’ comment made by somebody earlier.
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In your wildest dream only. And for people who never saw reality or experienced that.
Sorry, I dont see your intelect either, rather than blamming. -
If that made sense I would probably answer it!
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Make sense in what? The Quran isn’t sense for you?
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Ali says:
1ndra, go out and most importantly, open your eyes and your mind.
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Hassan says:
Whew, it’s getting hot in here. Chill guys.
Mohammed Khafi: Your history of the Hadith and the Islamic Golden Age doesn’t seem to be too accurate, my friend. Let’s open : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith
It seems that the Hadith was not first compiled 4-5 centuries after Hijra as you mentioned, “Muslim historians say that it was the caliph Uthman (the third caliph, or successor of Muhammad, who had formerly been Muhammad’s secretary), who first urged Muslims both to write down the Qur’an in a fixed form, and to write down the hadith.” (Wikipedia).
“The overwhelming majority of Muslims consider hadith to be essential supplements to and clarifications of the Qur’an, Islam’s holy book. In Islamic jurisprudence, the Qur’an contains many rules for the behavior expected of Muslims.”
“Muslim scholars also find it useful to know how Muhammad or his companions explained the revelations, or upon what occasion Muhammad(pbuh) received them. Sometimes this will clarify a passage that otherwise seems obscure. Hadith are a source for Islamic history and biography. For the vast majority of devout Muslims, authentic hadith are also a source of religious inspiration.”
“However, some contemporary Muslims argue that the Qur’an alone is sufficient. Examples of such Muslims groups are Tolu-e-Islam (Resurgence of Islam), Free Minds, and United Submitters International. Muslims who take the “Qur’an alone” viewpoint are regarded as deviant by mainstream Muslim scholars, and by the vast majority of Muslims.”
Are those guys mentioned your buddies, Khafi? 😉
About the Islamic Golden age, just open this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_golden_age
It seems that the Islamic golden age lasted from 750-1258 AD, when Muslims were adopting the Sharia. And the decline was not inflicted by the Almohavids as you mentioned, but by the Mongolian invasion. Nice effort, Khafi.
“Strange don’t you think that these dates coincide with the collection and compilation of your beloved Sunnah and Hadith?”
You get the dates all wrong, how can it coincide?
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Julita says:
Correct me if I am wrong, the very, very sad thing is if somebody (also with sin) do this to another and say that it is not their doing but Allah. This beats me.
If somebody has no arms (God’s lovingly given arms) were cut off, the person cannot work who is going to provide for him? The Moslem community, the clerics? Good luck! -
Matahari says:
Well, I think the people behind this Sharia actually the non-negotiable ones.
Whatever law that Indonesians have, it would never make the country better, in Indonesian law A can be B or white can be black or vise versa, the terrible thing here is those who are poor often became the victims, simply because they don’t have money to bribe the law.
Indonesia has a long history of corruption, imagine all the Hierarchies in Aceh to be prosecuted, you’ve got to be dreaming!
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Cukurungan says:
Julita,
Sharia Law Principal is to reduced rate of the criminal actions with the maximum punishment of the crime actors. In full sharia law application a jail is not required anymore because it is prohibited to put in Jail anyone. As you can check a law enforcement system applied with adoption of the western system doesn’t work at all to reduced numbers or crimes rates. The western system only succeed in the administration matters of the crimes actions like reporting, recording and jail system but failed to do anything to reduce crimes rates. It is ony very few Criminal getting better attitude after being jailed instead most of them learn each other transferring a crime knowledge so once they’re free becomes more expert in the crimes.
In proper sharia law application it should be built a baitul mal, one of the function provide foods and other basic life needs for the poors and dissable crime person after their hand was cut-off.
So as long as you’re not a criminal actors there’s is nothing to be worried in Sharia Law.
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Ihaknt says:
So as long as you’re not a criminal actors there’s is nothing to be worried in Sharia Law.
Disagree!
Not wearing jilbab is not a criminal offence and yet girls still caned or arrested. Even in Tangerang, standing waiting for a bus is a ‘suspicious’ activity if you are a girl. Wearing a skirt is not a criminal offence and yet still punishable. Women getting education is not a criminal offence. Looking the opposite sex in the eye is not a criminal offence but apparently for some it is considered zina.
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1ndra, go out and most importantly, open your eyes and your mind.
Sorry already do that, and now your turn, be safe outside, this not a joke no mommy out there. 😉
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Correct me if I am wrong, the very, very sad thing is if somebody (also with sin) do this to another and say that it is not their doing but Allah. This beats me.
If somebody has no arms (God’s lovingly given arms) were cut off, the person cannot work who is going to provide for him? The Moslem community, the clerics? Good luck!That’s why the verse contains a mercy to the person if the person who do crime do taubat and ask for mercy. That’s why the criminal asked for taubah first and not to do another crime and return all their stealing or pay some ‘ganti rugi’.
But as you can see nowadays by your own sight or in the newpapers and in the crime televesion show there’re very very bad people who love to torture their victim even they’ve got what they wanted and that bad people are only could be dream of to do taubah, they’re ‘penjahat kambuhan’, jail isnt make them kapok, and after they’re free from jail, they tend to do another crime with heavier impact to victim even death to victim.
People like that isnt subject to mercy.
You could read my pasts posts about that.
I’m into sharia or hardened law in this case, people/criminals who are doing something/crime that make other people/victim suffer. The punishment clearly stated in Quran.
And about jilbab or other, I quoted Quran because it exists but as this matter didn’t bother other people (except for nudity, half naked) then it’s a personal sin.
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1ndra said:
Make sense in what? The Quran isn’t sense for you?
Yes 1ndra, Al Quran does make sense to me, it’s just your interpretation of it that doesn’t!
And about jilbab or other, I quoted Quran because its exist but as this matter didnt bother other people (except for nudity, half naked) then its a personal sin.
It doesn’t exist in Al Quran, maybe only in your translation! I have shown you the verse you quoted, and explained the original Arabic words, the verse clearly says that when a woman goes out, she should pull her outer garment over her breasts! Nothing to do with jilbab or covering the hair!
Hassan said:
Are those guys mentioned your buddies, Khafi?
No Hassan, you should know by now I don’t have any buddies. 🙂
You must realise that in historical interpretation of events such as the Golden Age of Islam there is always some variation in dates, I feel that the beginning of the end for this event is the end of Al Andalus, from that point on the degeneration started, and Islam has never managed to pull itself off of this slippery slope. For myself it cannot be denied that the decline of Islam started with the enforcement of Sharia Law derived from collected Sunnah and Hadith.
Peace
Peace
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Khafi,
What is your scientific evidence that’s prophet forbade the hadist writing or you found it in Quran please tell me which Surah?
You don’t have consistency in thinking, you believe the prophet forbade hadist writing in other hand you rejected that the prophet prohibited man wearing a gold and silk.
During moslem golden age of your version, what is your scientific evidence that’s they were rejecting hadist and only referred to Quran. So far I know the scientific evidence shown otherwise, there was no a picture of living creature was seen in their mosque while no specific writing in the quran said so but it was in hadist that’s forbade picture of living creature in the mosque.
Let assume you’re correct that the moslem andalusia were “True Moslem” as God’s wish in Quran. But why “God’s wrath” came to them and they were deleted from the Spanish land by Christians. So at that times, they weren’t considered “true moslems” because God said in Quran that God will flood His blessings on any country if their people were “benar-2 beriman”.
Civilization please recheck “wiki definition”.
The term civilization (British English: civilisation) has a variety of meanings related to human society. Most often it is used to refer to “complex” societies: those that practice intensive agriculture; have a significant division of labour; and have population densities sufficient to form cities. “Civilization” may be used more broadly to refer to the sum, or current extent, of human accomplishment and spread.
This definition of civilization only can be made and sustained with a scapegoat as I said.
Of course any “operation manual” must be complete and details and what the prophet said, his attitude, behavior, his routine daily life were guided by God. I think the reason behind God giving to the prophet chances to pass through whole human life phase (kid, teenage, trader, leaders, husband etc etc) is to provide clear example between “talk how to walk” and “walk itself”.
Sorry, my opinion you’re just “orang bingung” search the best religion, go to Christian found only “david coperfield” go to islam “too many aturan”, oh aku bingung.
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Cuk said:
What is your scienceticic evidence that’s prophet forbade the hadist writting or you found it in Quran please tell me which Surah?
You don’t have consistency in thinking, you believe the prophet forbade hadist writting
in other hand you rejected that the prophet prohibited man wearing a gold and silk.The verse forbiding Hadith and Sunah is not in Al Quran it is from the Hadith which you beleive in:
“لا تكتبوا عني, Ùˆ من كتب عني شيئا غير القرآن ÙليمØÙ‡” Ùˆ زاد ÙÙŠ رواية: “Ùˆ Øدثوا عني Ùˆ لا Øرج, Ùˆ من كذب علي Ùليتبوأ مقعده من النار”. (صØÙŠØ Ù…Ø³Ù„Ù… 8/229, تقييد العلم 29 – 32).
This hadith can be translated as: “Do not write about (or from) me, and whoever wrote anything from me other than the Qur’an he should erase it”
There are other hadith verses which contradict this one, this just proves that these Hadith are not divinely inspired, because they are so full of contradiction, they are manmade and full of mistakes. Even the last sermon of the prophet has three versions, and this sermon was witnessed by thousands of people. Your Sunnah and Hadith which are word of mouth passesd from person to person over generations, have no chance of being uncorrupted and falsified.
During moslem golden age of your version , what is your scienctific evidence that’s they were rejecting hadist and only referred to Quran. So far I know the scientific evidence shown otherwise, there was no a picture of living creature was seen in their mosque while no specific writting in the quran said so but it was in hadist that’s forbade picture of living creature in the mosque.
The Sunnah and Hadith were not collected and compiled until after Al Andalus was established, just look at the dates.
Let assume you’re correct that the moslem andalusia were “True Moslem” as God wish in Quran. But why ” God wrath” came to them and they were deleted from the Spanish land by Christian. So at that times, they weren’t consider “true moslem” because God said in Quran that God will flood His blessing to any country if their people were “benar-2 beriman”.
They did receive Allah’s blessing before they started adopting the Sunnah and Hadith Sharia laws, they were abundantly blessed in fact, they had religious and racial harmony, science, education, medicine, ample wealth and prosperity the art flourished, why do you think it was called the Golden Age? Allah’s Wrath descended on them after they started adopting Narrow religious viewpoints inspired not by His teaching in Al Quran but from Sunnah and Hadith!
This definition of civilization only can be made and sustained with a scapegoat as I said.
And I have repeatedly told you that that is not the definition of civilisation to which I refered, I am talking about civil behaviour!
Of course any “operation manual” must be complete and details and what the prophet said, his attitude, behavior, his routine daily live were guided by God. I think reason behind God given to the prophet chances to pass through whole human live phase (kid, teenage, trader, leaders, husband etc etc) is to provide clear example between “talk how to walk” and “walk itself”.
Allah, clearly says that His Book is Complete, Perfect and Fully Detailed. Are you saying that Allah is a liar, or that He doesn’t know what He is saying?
Sorry,my opinion you’re just “orang bingung” search the best religion, go to Christian found only “david coperfield” go to islam “too many aturan””¦oh aku bingung.
I am also sorry, but in my opinion you are a narrow minded, brainwashed, bigot who cannot understand the most simple of principles from Your Lord and cannot accept His Word as sufficient.
Peace
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Typical “orang bingung” found a few sand in a bag of beans, they don’t pick out the sand instead they throw away all the beans.
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Dimp says:
Hi Cuk,
In proper sharia law application it should be built a baitul mal, one of the function provide foods and other basic life needs for the poors and dissable crime person after their hand was cut-off.
Can there be guarantee that Indonesian can actually conduct “proper” sharia law, at the moment you can clearly see that the current law is not upheld properly, so what is the use of “perfect” law if the application is not.
At this moment sharia law is applied in Aceh, but you can see that the governer of Aceh himself involved in corruption, and you can see that he is not punished for this (CMIIW), so it is not a deterrent for the crime rates as well.
I think we should not argue which law is superior, there is no superior law, not as long as the people don’t respect the law or the law upholder. We should be educating the people to first respect the law, respect the community, this I believe should reduce the crime rate.
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Cuk said,
So far I know the scientific evidence shown otherwise, there was no a picture of living creature was seen in their mosque while no specific writing in the quran said so but it was in hadist that’s forbade picture of living creature in the mosque.
The reason that there are no depictions of living creatures in the Mosque is to avoid idol worship, which is quite clearly forbidden in Al Quran.
However your Sunnah and Hadith have changed this to ban the depiction of all living creatures in art. There are many many figures and animals in Islamic art in the early years, they even have human figures depicted on the coinage in the Umayyad Dynasty!
The places of worship are for Allah alone are they not? So why do you follow Hadith and place the name of The Prophet on the walls of Allah’s places of worship? You know Allah doesn’t like others being held up beside him?
Typical “orang bingung” found a few sand in a bag of beans, they don’t pick out the sand instead they throw away all the beans.
Why would I need the grains of sand when Allah has given me the mountain? I think Iblis has blown so much sand into your eye’s that you cannot see Allah’s mountain right in front of you.
I will be here to hold your hand and guide you if you wish, but you have to turn your head away from the wind, and pray that Allah send enough rain to wash out your eyes before your sight will be restored such that you can see the mountain again.
Dimp said:
At this moment sharia law is applied in Aceh, but you can see that the governer of Aceh himself involved in corruption, and you can see that he is not punished for this (CMIIW), so it is not a deterrent for the crime rates as well.
As I said earlier, Sharia is an instrument of the rich and powerful to suppress the poor and weak, the implementation of Sharia and the oppression of the poor and weak in Aceh is just another in a long line of examples of this.
Peace
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Dimp said:
I think we should not argue which law is superior, there is no superior law, not as long as the people don’t respect the law or the law upholder. We should be educating the people to first respect the law, respect the community, this I believe should reduce the crime rate.
Cukurungan say:
Please check crime rates in the number one advanced country on earth US, their murder rates, rape rates and even the numbers of kid molestations in their church community occurred in un-imaginable scales. Do you think their law education so poor, no dudes, their law enforcement and education system are very, very good especially so beautiful in the papers but totally failure to reduce the crime rates. -
Please check crime rates in the number one advanced country on earth US, their murder rates, rape rates and even the numbers of kid molestations in their church community occurred in un-imaginable scales.
Yes, unimaginable scale, thanks to the press.
Do you think their law education so poor, no dudes, their law enforcement and education system are very, very good especially so beautiful in the papers but totally failure to reduce the crime rates.
Yeah, why didn’t they think about it, I think they should enforce sharia law, the mother of all laws, “** the law from God **”, that will solve the mother of all crimes.
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Yes 1ndra, Al Quran does make sense to me, it’s just your interpretation of it that doesn’t!
Whew, I quoted directly from Quran.
It doesn’t exist in Al Quran, maybe only in your translation! I have
shown you the verse you quoted, and explained the original Arabic words, the verse clearly says that when a woman goes out, she should pull her outer garment over her breasts! Nothing to do with jilbab or covering the hair!In An Nuur 31 sure it says : “…Dan hendaklah mereka menutupkan kain kudung ke dadanya…”
Means its a sin to wear some open dress like tanktop.
And about jilbab is in Al Ahzab 59 : “…Hendaklah mereka mengulurkan jilbabnya…”
Original Arabic or not, all Muslimah in the world who wear jilbab know that.
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Cuk and Indra,
Many others are already diligently and intelligently commenting your posting. I did my homework and here what I come with.I read that the Sharia law need to be revised, 2000 years ago punishment are very cruel everywhere but we are now living in 20th century. Just judge is very difficult to find especially in Indonesia. Once a person’s limbs or life is taken away nobody can put it back. What I mean is, don’t mess with God’s creation, He is the just judge.
As about the West, I am around Moslems here too. I have an Iranian friend and she honestly said Sharia has problem.
Can you give me the proof that people who went to jail came out worse? Do you that many Christian people visit them, be friends, brothers to them and they came out the opposite. Thank God, He is real and alive.
Why are so many people from all over the world immigrating to the West including Moslems?
Leaving their rich country, just wondering friends whether life is better here or anywhere else.
What would one do for the following deeds:
A dog stealing a kilo of beef from the butcher.
A man steals chicken and rice because his family is starving.
A government officer or a banker embezzled millions of dollars.
A girl who got pregnant out of wedlock, we can obviously see her figure.
What happen to the man who left and live in another part of the world?
What happen to a man of the house who slept with his pembantu?
What happen to his wife if she sleeps with the tukang kebun?
What happens to the pembantu if she gets pregnant?
A girl kills somebody who raped her and they were discussing of stoning her?
A jihad guy kill innocent people and he is applauded.Pain in the neck, no?
Thanks Cuk and Indra for your reply, because it makes me do my homework and learn to appreciate things more.
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5 years later, I imagine US invading Indonesia just because there are terrorist factories in Aceh. And people simply blame US and some guys from Aceh for that (which they are). When will this war stop? For the sake of God, people killing each other. The only one that benefits from this are arm dealers.
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Sharia has problem.
The problem might be the judge didn’t read much Quran.
Can you give me the proof that people who went to jail came out worse?
Know about penjahat kambuhan? Well, in Indonesia is many, reading news is enough with headlines : polisi menangkap kembali residivis…polisi menangkap kembali penjahat kambuhan…tahanan melarikan diri, etc.
A dog stealing a kilo of beef from the butcher.
Dog can’t think, my lady.
I hope the meat won’t be exchanged…yawks.A man steals chicken and rice because his family is starving.
A chicken isn’t worth than 1 gram of gold, my lady. Giving it back and do taubah or the victim forgive him.
And giving your family haram food is big big sin for men.
I already post this in past.
A government officer or a banker embezzled millions of dollars.
Because they’re kind people who like to share with some ‘poor people’ so they get something in favor.
A girl who got pregnant out of wedlock, we can obviously see her figure.
Poor for them, I have many female friends who are in to this matter because they’re too much with their boyfriend. Don’t do what she did, bad for you.
What happen to the man who left and live in another part of the world?
Send me back mails, miss you.
What happen to a man of the house who slept with his pembantu?
What happen to his wife if she sleeps with the tukang kebun?Tired but happy. I mean, zina and lashes.
What happens to the pembantu if she gets pregnant?
She’ll get a baby.
A girl kills somebody who raped her and they were discussing of stoning her?
Raper is in kafir state, a kafir who attack and ‘merampok’.
I’ve read somewhere about halal for perampok to be sentenced to death.
Sure, they’re worse than pencuri.
Qishash wont be applied for defender who are fighting kafir.A jihad guy kill innocent people and he is applauded
They never read Quran. Qishash applied to them.
Pain in the neck, no?
A lot pegel switching between monitor and quran.
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Since it is law from God, doesn’t mean it can’t be misused.
What are they going to do when someone misused/misintepret it?Tell me, those suicide bomber might pray and do shalat 5 times a day, does it make their actions justified?
The same thing here, does the application of sharia will wipe all those imbecile?
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So it seems like you sharia proponents say that only sharia law can control crime rate, how do you explain places like Japan and Scandinavian countries – they don’t have sharia (thank God), but their crime rate is very low.
What Indonesia needs to control crime isn’t sharia, it needs a major overhaul in people’s morality, mentality, and conscience. And before you jump in, let me say it: no, not through the implementation of sharia.
Rocket science?
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Indra:
The problem might be the judge didn’t read much Quran.
That’s it, are those judges fully instructed in the Qur’an, Hadith etc? Are you sure they cannot be bribe?
Indra:
Know about penjahat kambuhan? Well, in Indonesia is many, reading news is enough with headlines : polisi menangkap kembali residivis”¦polisi menangkap kembali penjahat kambuhan”¦tahanan melarikan diri, etc.
Friend, you were referring to jails in the West that it did not work and I was explaning how it does help and again the law here work. Now you change continent talking about Indonesia. Perhaps Indonesian should look and learn from others, do charity too and visit the jails. Help those who are tersesat.
Indra:
Dog can’t think, my lady.
I hope the meat won’t be exchanged, yawks.
That is true, an animal is treated better than a human being, very sad.
Dog cannot think but human beings have a heart, can change and learn, so we should have compassion.Indra:
A chicken isn’t worth than 1 gram of gold, my lady. Giving it back and do taubah or the victim forgive him.
The chicken was gone, eaten by the family. If he repents, they would not cut his hands? Stoning etc. won’t be done? Good to know. People just say sorry and all is well. Put the baby bak inthe tummy.
Indra:
And giving your family haram food is big big sin for men.
More sinful is hacking somebody’s hands.
Indra:
A government officer or a banker embezzled millions of dollars.
Because they’re the kind people who like to share with some ‘poor people’ so they get something in favor.
You must be dreaming friend. you never learn and cannot tell right from wrong. Because they are kind peopleFavor for the poor, where?
Now you talk about compassion, giving to the poor. They invest abroad that is more like it.
Indra:
Poor for them, I have many female friends who are in to this matter because they’re too much with their boyfriend. Don’t do what she did, bad for you.
Accident happen, they are human, they are young their feeling is also God given, they make mistake but the baby do come. Have compassion, does God give you the right to kill. Thanks for trying to advise me, but I am pass that stage of my life and happy.
Indra:
Send me back mails, miss you.
This is a good answer for argument’s sake, no value.
What happen to a man of the house who slept with his pembantu?
What happen to his wife if she sleeps with the tukang kebun?
Indra:Tired but happy. I mean, zina and lashes.
In my understanding it is fine for the husband. Yes, it would lashes be for the wife. Kind of one sided, no? See, I appreciate where I am.
What happens to the pembantu if she gets pregnant?
Indra:She’ll get a baby.
Baby out of wedlock, no? Stoning till she dies, you forgot to say?
A girl kills somebody who raped her and they were discussing of stoning her?
Indra:Raper is in kafir state, a kafir who attack and ‘merampok’.
Are you sure those who rape and rob live only in the kafir state?
A jihad guy kill innocent people and he is applauded
Indra:They never read Quran. Qishash applied to them.
I wish you shout this to all the world, to help your fellow believers who are as you said misled. Biar tahu! I am sure you will get pahala for this.
Nice talking to you. A real discussion even when there is no compassion in it.
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Rambutan,
What you saw in ACEH is not correct sharia law because our beloved prophet said if you give punishment to “pencuri ayam” while you let free “pencuri besar” koruptor and other big criminal just wait for the time you will be doomed by God. As you easily see in Indonesia today we doomed by God because of that’s un-justice.