Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable
Feb 28th, 2007, in News, by PatungSharia in Aceh is non-negotiable, says a young cleric.
Faisal Ali, the head of “Rabithah Thaliban”, an organisation of Islamic school students in Aceh, says the issue of sharia is not a “political commodity”. Speaking in response to criticisms voiced at an international conference in the capital Banda Aceh of the implementation of sharia and whether it was really desired by the people he said:
It has to be underlined that the application of sharia represents the aspirations of the people to live in an Islamic atmosphere.
Those attending the conference should not discuss whether most people in Aceh support formal sharia or not, he said. People at conferences about Aceh should talk about how to develop the province instead.
If there really were people in Aceh who didn’t agree with sharia he advised them to go and live somewhere else. What’s more, he said, sharia did not disturb those of other faiths.
If sharia was to be talked about the discussion should be confined to how to perfect its application. Sharia was already a vital part of the life of the Aceh people and couldn’t be overturned. republika
152 Comments on “Aceh Sharia Non-Negotiable”
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Tomaculum says:
And children are allowed to watch such things? Wow. 🙁
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Mohammed Khafi says:
And children are allowed to watch such things? Wow.
Of course and these are some of the other sharia rules for when they get the chance to implement them:
No education for females, no work for females, instant divorce for males with uttering a few words, death for apostates, no democracy, no debate about religion, restricted artistic freedom, imposition of dress and food codes, stoning to death for adulterers, imprisonment of anybody with dissenting views, rape victims having to find 4 male witnesses to their rape or themselves being imprisoned for illegal sex, men allowed to have sex with their servants, public punishment of the poor but large scale institutional corruption and theft ignored, muttah marriage etc. etc.
They just need to get their foot in the door and that is that. You can see how arrogant the Sharia Police are in Aceh already, they are simply above the law and can do whatever they want. We have another example of that arrogance here with one person saying that the issue should not be discussed.
The Government has opened Pandoras Box, let’s hope that we can shut the lid before too much damage is done!
You can already see where Aceh is heading, ignoring the fact that the crowd is mostly children (probably for brainwashing purposes) which is bad enough, it is also 100% male!
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Agusto says:
At least this young cleric is quite honest about islam, unlike those politically correct people and the so called “moderate Muslims”! One thing he is dishonest about is when he said “sharia did not disturb those of other faiths”. Check this out:
9.123
O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Meaning kuffar should be killed unless they pay jizyya (tax) and willing to be subjugated but they will be freed if they surrender to islam! This is what a full blown shariah is all about!
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Mubarak says:
I don’t think the true Islam is being implemented in Aceh. Anyway, I respect very much to Aceh people. They are truly the rational people who realize that loyalty to Alloh is above everything, that Alloh’s law is always the best. So, let us correctly learn everything about Islam and perform it. We will find an amazing way of life carrying happines in our life. If you don’t find and feel it, make sure that you are not correctly learning Islam.
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1ndra says:
And children are allowed to watch such things? Wow.
The child are being made aware that there is punishment if they do crime in the future. Better now than never.
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Cukurungan says:
God is so generous and Aceh land is only a very minor area of the earth’s surface where we can live. So anyone who doesn’t want to live in Aceh, there are still plenty of good places in this earth to live without presence of Sharia law. Sharia law is not a priority for subject of discussion because there is still plenty more important problems which haven’t been discussed and solved yet.
Indonesian has been given opportunity the full application of non-sharia law more than 60 years and proven failure. So let Aceh people do what they want and let see the outcome 5 years later.
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Cuk,
Indonesian has been given opportunity the full application of non-sharia law more than 60 years and proven failure.
Islam has had the opportunity to prove that Sharia is a workable system since your Idols, the collectors of Sunnah and Hadith made it up. Over a thousand years in fact, but there is not one example of it working, and ensuring that the people are not suppressed and subjugated as they were prior to the time of The Prophet? The Prophet was sent to set people free of oppression and ignorance, your Sharia system just put them back into it. That is why it will never work, because Allah will never allow it to, he will constantly show it to be what it is a manmade innovation, a gross sham and in many instances a return to the barbarity of pre civilisation.
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Oh? Then we follow manmade uu that proved to be a product of kkn?
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Hassan says:
Mohammed Khafi:
Over a thousand years in fact, but there is not one example of it working, and ensuring that the people are not suppressed and subdjugated as they were prior to the time of The Prophet?
That’s an easy misconception to correct, which law did you think was applied during the Islamic golden age? A secular one? Secular man-made laws (as 1ndra correctly pointed out)? Nay, my dear friend, the Sharia was! 😀
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Hassan,
The Golden Age of Islam was at the time of Al Andalus, when Al Quran was discussed and debated, when Islamic Art and Science flourished, when Muslims in Al Andalus were growing grapes and fermenting them for wine, making huge advances in viticulture and in agriculture, when Muslim, Jew and Christians all lived together in Peace and Harmony as Allah intended and as The Prophet instructed and taught. A time when Philosophy, Scholarship, Learning and the Arts were valued.
A possible date of the end of the Golden Age might be in 1090 with the invasion of the Almoravids, a puritan Muslim sect from Morocco. The Almoravids were ousted in 1148, to be replaced by the even more puritanical Almohades. Under the reign of the Almohades, the Jews were forced to accept the Islamic faith; the conquerors confiscated their property and took their wives and children, many of whom were sold as slaves. The most famous Jewish educational institutions were closed, and synagogues everywhere destroyed.
During these successive waves of narrowly interpreted Islam, many Jewish and even Muslim scholars left the Muslim-controlled portion of Iberia for the then still relatively tolerant city of Toledo.
Strange don’t you think that these dates coincide with the collection and compilation of your beloved Sunnah and Hadith? Where before, when Islam was following the tenents of Islam from Allah, given to us by The Prophet, everything was peaceful and civilised, learning, science, the arts flourished, and then suddenly we have new rules coming from the collected Sunnah and Hadith, which suddenly destroy all of that to replace it with intolerance and violence and the complete prohibition of reasoned thought in Islam? Doesn’t it just make you think for a moment Hassan?
Yes there was Sharia during the time of The Prophet, Sharia which after all just means ‘straight path’, but this was from The Prophet himself, and from Al Quran, not from your manmade, corrupted, Sunnah and Hadith.
At the time of The Prophet, Sharia was of tolerance for others beliefs, and supported learning, debate, and reasoning, was democratic and supported the weak and oppressed, and supported womens rights. Far, far different from the Sharia which we see examples of now, implemented on the basis of your fabricated Sunnah and Hadith.
Peace
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Augusto bin Ismail,
You always sing the same song but no one’s trusted you, might you should seek help from Ali Sina.
Khafi,
What you mean with “civilization”, my understanding the civilization is not more than colonialism of the western world’s (Christians World’s) upon other world’s and its derivative. You can check in history and until today “Civilized Western World’s” was built above the misery of billions of people in the third world. Wake-up friend, don’t get “silau” with the mighty of the western world. Even Greeny Newyork and prosperous western farmers are laid out based on the sickening african and poverty of third world’s farmers.
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1ndra,
Oh? Then we follow manmade uu that proved to be a product of kkn.
UU is not a prduct of KKN, but KKN makes UU useless.
Then you ‘re agree that the sharia (God’s law) should replace the UUD 45? For the whole Indonesia?
The child are being made aware that there is punishment if they do crime in the future.
And they will never do crime again after watching those cruelty?
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Cuk,
Just like 1ndra and Hassan, you also to like to change the subject when confronted with the truth and you have no coherent, meaningful reply.
Civilisation, Meaning from Wiki:
The term civilization (British English: civilisation) has a variety of meanings related to human society. Most often it is used to refer to “complex” societies: those that practice intensive agriculture; have a significant division of labour; and have population densities sufficient to form cities. “Civilization” may be used more broadly to refer to the sum, or current extent, of human accomplishment and spread.
The term “civilization” is used in common parlance with both a normative and a descriptive dimension. In the past, to be “civilized,” was linked to the feeling of being “civil” – a term for politeness and propriety. To be “uncivilized” in this usage means to be “rude,” “barbaric” or a “savage.” In this sense, civilization implies sophistication and refinement. People that all work in a small village or settlement could be civilized.
Nothing to do with colonisation by the Wicked West! I guess that must be what your “learned’ Imams taught you!
Peace
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Andrew says:
The child are being made aware that there is punishment if they do crime in the future. Better now than never.
What a contradiction with what is being done to prevent minors from seeing violence. To them it’s no different than seeing an action movie where guys beat up each other violently. No difference, because there is no guarantee the children will get an explanation of what they see.
I call it education by trauma.
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Do you have proof that nowadays laws is better Khafi?
Yes there was Sharia during the time of The Prophet, Sharia which after all just means ‘straight path’
Yes, straight path like in Quran.
but this was from The Prophet himself, and from Al Quran, not from your manmade, corrupted, Sunnah and Hadith.
Is it called hadith too from your view? Strange.
At the time of The Prophet, Sharia was of tolerance for others beliefs
Dont you read above? (What’s more, he said, sharia did not disturb those of other faiths.)
Cuk,
Just like 1ndra and Hassan, you also to like to change the subject when confronted with the truth and you have no coherent, meaningful reply.
Oh do you?
I think you don’t have better answer than dreaming and flashing back to histories that even aren’t ours. And don’t give good opinion than blaming.Is it wrong to take lashes on guilty people like in picture above since Quran allow that? Or do you love the law applied today that could be bought and make poor people suffer?
For me is Sharia/The straight path is code that present in Quran for Muslim and applicable for all level people and could be analyzed by all people than today’s law that almost invisible and applicable only for lower level people.
Now tell me what Sharia/The straight path means in your view!UU is not a prduct of KKN, but KKN makes UU useless.
You didnt catch my sarcasm did you. 🙂
Then you ‘re agree that the sharia (God’s law) should replace the UUD 45? For the whole Indonesia?
No, for Muslim only.
And they will never do crime again after watching those cruelty?
They’ll know that there’re punishment for criminals, so they’ll think twice before do crime.
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Andrew said:
I call it education by trauma.
Or you could try brainwashing, intimidation, bullying, indoctrination or coercion.
They are teaching a new generation that capital punishment and violence are the answer to our problems.
I wonder what his crime was, maybe holding his girlfriends hand?
While the poor and helpless are punished and shamed in public displays of humiliation, the rich and powerful corruptors of Aceh are getting away free without punishment, this is just the sort of abuse of the poor and unpriviledged that The Prophet used to fight and now his name is being used to justify this sort of injustice.
Shame on all you who call yourselves Muslims, but support this sort of system.
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What a contradiction with what is being done to prevent minors from seeing violence. To them it’s no different than seeing an action movie where guys beat up each other violently. No difference, because there is no guarantee the children will get an explanation of what they see.
I call it education by trauma.
In pyschology, people are afraid to do something because they’re trauma OR they know the bad side for them.
And do you know what difference between kapok and insaf? In crime, one or both are needed. So there’re no repeated ‘order’.Now, I ask you to join with me to rob a wealthy house.
We’ll split the money fifty fifty, nice deal isnt it?
Would you join me, cmon no one see us. Dont be affraid.
🙂What are afraid to?
The wise word not to steal others because its a sin OR the long time punishment and hostile treatment from room mate?Whatever one is better than nothing at all.
They are teaching a new generation that capital punishment and violence are the answer to our problems.
Are you teaching that we are sinless and no need to be punished whatever crime we did?
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In pyschology, people are afraid to do something because they’re trauma OR they know the bad side for them.
And do you know what difference between kapok and insaf? In crime, one or both are needed. So there’re no repeated ‘order’.Now, I ask you to join with me to rob a wealthy house.
We’ll split the money fifty fifty, nice deal isnt it?
Would you join me, cmon no one see us. Dont be afraid.You don’t need trauma to build a good society, what you need is an education that makes them understand right from wrong. And that does not include fear, violence, or hatred.
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Now, I ask you to join with me to rob a wealthy house.
We’ll split the money fifty fifty, nice deal isnt it?Simple: I know robbing is against the Ten Commandments, so even if no human can catch me, God will, therefore, I won’t do that – that’s all it takes.
So, if you think people need physical coercion or threats to behave properly, maybe something else is wrong.
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1ndra,
Sharia as it is applied is not from Al Quran 1ndra, it is not the straight path of Allah.
Yes I do have proofs that present day civil laws are better than present day Sharia laws, I have posted many examples here on this site, but you ignore them.
You said:
(What’s more, he said, sharia did not disturb those of other faiths.)
I can see that you believe everything you are told 1ndra, without studying the relevant facts, I do not! Have you so quickly forgotten this posting Christians Subject to Islamic Law.
I think you don’t have better answer than dreaming and flashing back histories that even aren’t ours.
Your dismissal of world history and especially the history of Islam’s Golden Age is astounding, given that you are a student. I just hope that you are not typical of the rest of your faculty, if you are, then God help Indonesia, because we are doomed! Our founding fathers and all those who gave their lives fighting for the freedom of this country must be turning in their graves to realise that such narrow mindedness, ignorance and bigoty are so much in evidence after their sacrifice.
People like you do not realise that the unity of this country was gained only by the fact that that the Christian majority areas of Eastern Indonesia only agreed to join as pluralism was stipulated as part of the constitution, if we lose that part of our constitution, this country will either descend into a civil war or will disintegrate.
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Andrew said:
You don’t need trauma to build a good society, what you need is an education that makes them understand rights from wrong. And that does not include fear, violence, or hatred.
Obviously not the sort of education that 1ndra received is it?
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1ndra,
They’ll know that there’re punishment for criminals, so they’ll think twice before do crime.
My parents didn’t teach me not to do crime not by showing punishments, but they talked with and gave me explanations.
And I have never broke the law till now, never do any criminal deed.
Isn’t this way better? (oh, ya, and me myself: I think and I feel).Cukurungan, after 60 years of freedom Indonesia still cannot reach a acceptable level of economical stability.
Whose fault?
Yes, it was and it is the western. 🙂
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Ali says:
1ndra:
The child are being made aware that there is punishment if they do crime in the future. Better now than never.
Really, so you DO want to educate your children by showing them how people’s hands are being hacked off, their back being pulverized? Tell me why good value, moral, and behavior can’t be taught in a more civilized manner.
Once in a while you need to get out of your cocoon and see the world.
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Bas says:
I think Shariah application will only attract masochist pervers to Aceh. It’s amazing what these guys can do to get a good caning.
Seriously, shariah, what a joke. No wonder such a stupid system is so trendy among the well uneducated guys of Sumatra.
Even Indonesians from other islands don’t want their daughters to marry a Sumatranese. :0Oh sorry Sarah!
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Ihaknt says:
For as long as people (read: kids) are taught to ‘stop’ violence with violence, the vicious cycle will never end.
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Khafi,
Sorry, I am not quite understand with your definition of the truth because the history of andalusia written by historians (ordinay man) you referred to as the truth whereas “hadist soheh” written by a credible sahabat you reffered to as “kebohongan”. You’re too much brother. In addition, I don’t agree with your analogy that we as mainstream moslems are rejecting Quran and replace it with Hadist.
We consider Quran is “Operation Manuals” for mankind whereas Hadist is “Standard Operating Procedure” that’s detailing any activities given in “operation manuals”.
Your minds is locked by “wiki definition” but please check what is an essential of civilization in this reality life.
It is not possible to set the civilization village as you cited without scapegoat because any farmers need enough land and market. Yes, there were civilized anglo saxon farmers but it was built in the red indian and aborigine land and slavery of African people.
Tomac,
Frankly, you’re my wise guy but at this times you slipped with “my boring song”. Please check again what my song was, I said 60 years non-sharia system is failed to deliver “proper system” in Indonesia, of course, it should only be looked at in economic terms but whole dimensions of the state system. I never said as you said that’s Indo backwardness is caused 100% by the western wrong doing.
Now Aceh people’s turn to try a system that the west considers as un-civilized system and you don’t need to be so worried because if it doesn’t work, Aceh people will decide what other system can be suited with their unique society.
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Ian says:
Mohammad Kafi – very well reasoned educated arguments.
1ndra, cukurang etc – no logic or intellect at all. Very immature. No surprise then, that they support oppresive sharia law.
And the article in question just demonstrates the mind set of a lot of these so called Muslims. The young cleric in Aceh so casually says that if people don’t like shariah law they can leave. Typically inconsiderate. And he said that shariah law represents the aspirations of the population, in a way, the will of the people. Isn’t that something like democracy? Yet he doesn’t want it discussed. How does he know it’s the aspiration of the people if they are not allowed to have a say? Typical brainwashed brainless type of Muslim. And he’s a cleric? What is the world coming to? The Dumb leading the Dumber.
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Naga says:
You fools, there is no such thing as god, there is no Allah, it is all bs to brainwash you, to control you, you are all debating mythology, debating about things that don’t, nor have ever existed, don’t you realise how stupid you are.
This idiot Mulllah from Aceh is a POLITICIAN, he is not a religious scholar, all Muslim clerics are politicians, they want your total and complete subjugation, they want to control your mind, this is what has held back Indonesia’s development more than anything else, a nation of religiously indoctrinated robots, all mimicking the same mythology, that way you won’t have the ability to challenge your leader’s hypocrisy, lies and corruption.
Wake up before you turn into an African country, Indonesia is on the verge of becoming a failed state, because the rest of the world is leaving you behind, while you waste time washing your feet and sitting on your ass doing nothing.
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Rambutan says:
Indra.
Is it wrong to take lashes on guilty people like in picture above since Quran allow that? Or do you love the law applied today that could be bought and make poor people suffer?
The key would be to improve implementation of secular law, reform of the judicial system and law enforcement. Introducing Syariat does not solve any of the problems the Indonesian justice sector faces. What does make you think that application of syariah is more fair or less corrupt? The example of Aceh shows what happens: Only the poor and women are targeted. The rich just travel to Medan to drink, gamble and visit prostitutes. Police running gambling rackets are left untouched. Syariah police can be payed off easily. Bottom line: Attaching a religious label to law doesn’t make it better.
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Karlira Kanakahuko says:
I fully agree with naga.
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No problem as long as you don’t do crime and not intended for people who come to do crime. 🙂
Then people could live in more secure feeling life.
I feel blaming is coming.